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Post by gnperdue on May 16, 2020 22:27:43 GMT
Has anyone figured out where The Scourge came from and why it happened? Also, does anyone know if the builders of Meridian were aware of the Kett in other parts of the galaxy? Was Heleus more or less lifeless before the builders?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2020 23:02:29 GMT
We don't have that info, it's an intentional mystery … I assume to be revealed in follow-on episodes of MEA. Some have postulated that the Scourge was an attack on the Jardaan and their Remnant technology … but is also lethal to other lifeforms … such as the Angara, Kett and MW species. The species or group that created the Scourge is unknown … as well as their motivations for attacking the Jardaan.
We have no indication the Jardaan were either aware or unaware of the Kett. The Kett are fairly recent arrivals to Heleus … within the last hundred years prior to arrival of the AI. The Archon talks about spending the last 80 years in the cluster, but Kett scouts may have explored the cluster prior to that. By the time the Kett arrived, the Jardaan were long gone.
Given the examples of artificially created life in the Khi Tasira vault, it may well be that Heleus was mostly void of advanced life and artificially created plants and animals were developed by the Jardaan to be compatible in Heleus … especially after various planets were terraformed by the Remnant vaults.
Apparently the "garden worlds" identified by the AI were worlds that the Jardaan had completed some stage of terraforming, began deploying plant and animal lifeforms (to include Angara with false history implanted in their memories) … later partially undone by the Scourge …
So Jardaan being attacked by the Scourge, the Remnant vaults malfunctioning, the Jardaan abandoning the Heleus cluster, the Kett arriving, Kett attempting to subjugate the Angara … all occurred during the AI's transit from MW to Andromeda.
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Post by gnperdue on May 17, 2020 0:16:40 GMT
Thanks for the info!
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Post by skekSil on May 17, 2020 9:43:33 GMT
Has anyone figured out where The Scourge came from and why it happened? Also, does anyone know if the builders of Meridian were aware of the Kett in other parts of the galaxy? Was Heleus more or less lifeless before the builders? You can check a thread that I did a while ago bsn.boards.net/thread/17964/jardaan-knew-reapers-implications-universeIts mostly just a speculation on my part though, an interpretation of evidence to support one possible explanation of events in MEA.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 17, 2020 9:51:42 GMT
I had a thought last time, maybe Jardaan were a faction of pre-Angara and other faction was also, but their methods differed too much and they got into disagreement which burst out a fight?
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Post by skekSil on May 17, 2020 10:01:29 GMT
I had a thought last time, maybe Jardaan were a faction of pre-Angara and other faction was also, but their methods differed too much and they got into disagreement which burst out a fight? Its possible. We know that Angara were artificially created by Jardaan but that doesnt preclude them from making Angara 'in their own image'.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on May 17, 2020 10:38:27 GMT
I had a thought last time, maybe Jardaan were a faction of pre-Angara and other faction was also, but their methods differed too much and they got into disagreement which burst out a fight? Its possible. We know that Angara were artificially created by Jardaan but that doesnt preclude them from making Angara 'in their own image'. Yep also thought about memory transfer, but slowly opening via artefacts or key places, words etc. Would the Angara be actually Jardaan but for some reason, the memory opens up very slowly.. hah just a random thought
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Post by dazk on May 21, 2020 3:25:21 GMT
Has anyone figured out where The Scourge came from and why it happened? Also, does anyone know if the builders of Meridian were aware of the Kett in other parts of the galaxy? Was Heleus more or less lifeless before the builders? All we know is it was created and deployed by "the enemy" according to information you can find on Khi Tisara and that it was deployed to destroy the Jardaans great work "Meridian". It seems that the goldilocks planets were uninhabitable before the Jardaan built the vaults but maybe they were made uninhabitable by "the enemy" and the Jardaan were restoring them but that is pure speculation. As to who the enemy is there isn't to my knowledge enough information to even speculate that I am aware. I thought maybe they were a different group of Kett that split away due to the Kett's focus on gene stealing and wiping species out and that The Jardaan were trying to restore species. However the Kett seem oblivious to what the Scourge is so that doen't quite work.
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Post by N7_Shadow_DK on May 21, 2020 9:37:34 GMT
All we know is it was created and deployed by "the enemy" according to information you can find on Khi Tisara and that it was deployed to destroy the Jardaans great work "Meridian". It seems that the goldilocks planets were uninhabitable before the Jardaan built the vaults but maybe they were made uninhabitable by "the enemy" and the Jardaan were restoring them but that is pure speculation. As to who the enemy is there isn't to my knowledge enough information to even speculate that I am aware. I thought maybe they were a different group of Kett that split away due to the Kett's focus on gene stealing and wiping species out and that The Jardaan were trying to restore species. However the Kett seem oblivious to what the Scourge is so that doen't quite work. I always imagined, it was because of a conflict between fractions within The Jardaan.
But it could also be an industrial accident as noted by Arthur C. Clarke, when a star goes supernova!
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Post by dazk on May 21, 2020 10:46:20 GMT
All we know is it was created and deployed by "the enemy" according to information you can find on Khi Tisara and that it was deployed to destroy the Jardaans great work "Meridian". It seems that the goldilocks planets were uninhabitable before the Jardaan built the vaults but maybe they were made uninhabitable by "the enemy" and the Jardaan were restoring them but that is pure speculation. As to who the enemy is there isn't to my knowledge enough information to even speculate that I am aware. I thought maybe they were a different group of Kett that split away due to the Kett's focus on gene stealing and wiping species out and that The Jardaan were trying to restore species. However the Kett seem oblivious to what the Scourge is so that doen't quite work. I always imagined, it was because of a conflict between fractions within The Jardaan.
But it could also be an industrial accident as noted by Arthur C. Clarke, when a star goes supernova! Both good ideas, I just wish we had more information on this and so many other things in MEA. We need a sequel!!!!!!! Hey are you away aware of the following threads? It has lots of interesting info and speculation: bsn.boards.net/thread/5622/andromedas-little-discoveredbsn.boards.net/thread/11591/benefactor
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Post by azarhal on May 21, 2020 15:58:05 GMT
The fact that the enemy is unnamed/faceless makes me think we are dealing with two factions of the same species/group. It's also notable that the enemy learned what the Jardaan were doing from someone according to SAM.
This make it sound like group A was working on the Heleus project with group B, but A wasn't telling everything to B and once B learned about something, they tried to stop whatever A was doing but an accident (caused by sabotage/terrorism) happened which resulted in the Scourge. Then everyone left the polluted lab (cluster) behind instead of trying to clean up.
The fact that the project wasn't based on a planet but a Dyson sphere and that they left everything behind suggest to me that the Jardaan were probably not native to Heleus.
Also, with the vaults and Meridian pretty much functional before the Scourge happened, I don't think it was those that caused the conflict...unless group B was in another part of the galaxy and group A had the time to finish things up before they reached the Heleus cluster.
I don't think the Ketts have anything to do with the Jardaan, unless they are another abandoned pet project.
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Post by dazk on May 21, 2020 23:18:58 GMT
The fact that the enemy is unnamed/faceless makes me think we are dealing with two factions of the same species/group. It's also notable that the enemy learned what the Jardaan were doing from someone according to SAM. This make it sound like group A was working on the Heleus project with group B, but A wasn't telling everything to B and once B learned about something, they tried to stop whatever A was doing but an accident (caused by sabotage/terrorism) happened which resulted in the Scourge. Then everyone left the polluted lab (cluster) behind instead of trying to clean up. The fact that the project wasn't based on a planet but a Dyson sphere and that they left everything behind suggest to me that the Jardaan were probably not native to Heleus. Also, with the vaults and Meridian pretty much functional before the Scourge happened, I don't think it was those that caused the conflict...unless group B was in another part of the galaxy and group A had the time to finish things up before they reached the Heleus cluster. I don't think the Ketts have anything to do with the Jardaan, unless they are another abandoned pet project. Yeah I agree that the two factions is the most likely scenario but it could also be two ideologically opposed species. I had an out there thought as I typed this but don't doubt someone else may have already speculated on it. What if The Jardaan are Geth that left the Milky Way after the Morning War and the enemy are The Reapers? What if the Geth were intent on creating Biological life to try and understand being "Creators" rather than the created and the Reapers were opposed to the creation rather than the evolution of biological life!!!!! Anyway I am drawing a long bow on that one but I think the life creating machine, the Jardaan's "great work" (or something like that) is a Dyson Sphere simply because it can be moved from Galaxy to Galaxy or system to system and I agree they do not appear to be native to Heleus.
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Post by azarhal on May 22, 2020 2:04:50 GMT
The fact that the enemy is unnamed/faceless makes me think we are dealing with two factions of the same species/group. It's also notable that the enemy learned what the Jardaan were doing from someone according to SAM. This make it sound like group A was working on the Heleus project with group B, but A wasn't telling everything to B and once B learned about something, they tried to stop whatever A was doing but an accident (caused by sabotage/terrorism) happened which resulted in the Scourge. Then everyone left the polluted lab (cluster) behind instead of trying to clean up. The fact that the project wasn't based on a planet but a Dyson sphere and that they left everything behind suggest to me that the Jardaan were probably not native to Heleus. Also, with the vaults and Meridian pretty much functional before the Scourge happened, I don't think it was those that caused the conflict...unless group B was in another part of the galaxy and group A had the time to finish things up before they reached the Heleus cluster. I don't think the Ketts have anything to do with the Jardaan, unless they are another abandoned pet project. Yeah I agree that the two factions is the most likely scenario but it could also be two ideologically opposed species. I had an out there thought as I typed this but don't doubt someone else may have already speculated on it. What if The Jardaan are Geth that left the Milky Way after the Morning War and the enemy are The Reapers? What if the Geth were intent on creating Biological life to try and understand being "Creators" rather than the created and the Reapers were opposed to the creation rather than the evolution of biological life!!!!! Anyway I am drawing a long bow on that one but I think the life creating machine, the Jardaan's "great work" (or something like that) is a Dyson Sphere simply because it can be moved from Galaxy to Galaxy or system to system and I agree they do not appear to be native to Heleus. I don't think the Reapers are involved: A ) there is a lack "plug&play" tech meant to drive tech evolution like in the Milky Way. Which means a lack of tech to indoctrinates people too. B ) I actually don't think they would care about the Heleus lab project. The Protheans played a lot with evolution too and nothing changed to the reaping schedule because of it. C ) The incident that created the Scourge happened around a thousand of years after the Jardaan seeded the Angara in the cluster (around 1600 CE). The Reapers are usually swift to deal with "issues". I've went back after writing that post to do some reading because it's been a while I played the later section of MEA and I forgot a few things. The enemy is referred to as opposition which according to SAM could also translate to defiler. The conflict is hinted at being ideological in nature with those terms. But with the time difference between the seeding of the Angara and the Scourge showing up I don't think the issue was with Meridan/Vault systems itself which had been up for a long time before the Scourge happened (and Habitat 7 seems to be one of the last place they terraformed). Something probably changed in the project eventually. They did start to study the Angara like lab rats at some point (or at least someone did) which doesn't really match the religious undertone given to the "great work" in other Remnant writings in the game. As for the Jardaan being the Geth, it's impossible unless they found a time machine. The Geth War happened in 1895 CE, the Heleus cluster already had Angara for a few century already. I do not discount the Jardaan being synthetics or hybrids or energy beings though. I don't think they were humanoids, their communication interface doesn't fit with that. My favorite idea is that the floating Remnant robot is based on their look: so I'm going with bioelectrical medusa.
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Post by dazk on May 22, 2020 2:21:30 GMT
Yeah I agree that the two factions is the most likely scenario but it could also be two ideologically opposed species. I had an out there thought as I typed this but don't doubt someone else may have already speculated on it. What if The Jardaan are Geth that left the Milky Way after the Morning War and the enemy are The Reapers? What if the Geth were intent on creating Biological life to try and understand being "Creators" rather than the created and the Reapers were opposed to the creation rather than the evolution of biological life!!!!! Anyway I am drawing a long bow on that one but I think the life creating machine, the Jardaan's "great work" (or something like that) is a Dyson Sphere simply because it can be moved from Galaxy to Galaxy or system to system and I agree they do not appear to be native to Heleus. I don't think the Reapers are involved: A ) there is a lack "plug&play" tech meant to drive tech evolution like in the Milky Way. Which means a lack of tech to indoctrinates people too. B ) I actually don't think they would care about the Heleus lab project. The Protheans played a lot with evolution too and nothing changed to the reaping schedule because of it. C ) The incident that created the Scourge happened around a thousand of years after the Jardaan seeded the Angara in the cluster (around 1600 CE). The Reapers are usually swift to deal with "issues". I've went back after writing that post to do some reading because it's been a while I played the later section of MEA and I forgot a few things. The enemy is referred to as opposition which according to SAM could also translate to defiler. The conflict is hinted at being ideological in nature with those terms. But with the time difference between the seeding of the Angara and the Scourge showing up I don't think the issue was with Meridan/Vault systems itself which had been up for a long time before the Scourge happened (and Habitat 7 seems to be one of the last place they terraformed). Something probably changed in the project eventually. They did start to study the Angara like lab rats at some point (or at least someone did) which doesn't really match the religious undertone given to the "great work" in other Remnant writings in the game. As for the Jardaan being the Geth, it's impossible unless they found a time machine. The Geth War happened in 1895 CE, the Heleus cluster already had Angara for a few century already. I do not discount the Jardaan being synthetics or hybrids or energy beings though. I don't think they were humanoids, their communication interface doesn't fit with that. My favorite idea is that the floating Remnant robot is based on their look: so I'm going with bioelectrical medusa. Biological Medusa, so a Beholder or a beholder crossed with a Basilisk??? Yeah I have tried to draw conclusions re the Jardaan from the Remnant but they are quite varied and isn't there something in game maybe SAM stating that they must have been humanoid in terms of size and shape due to how the vaults are constructed? Been so long since I played the game and dwelled on that stuff. Enemy/opposition same difference couldn't remember the exact comment in game. I wasn't sure re the timeline in terms of Geth and will take your word for it and I don't really think it was the Reapers.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 5, 2020 11:49:11 GMT
All ew know is that it appears that Khi Tesira was struck first by the Scourge and that it spread from there. It is presumed to be a weapon based on wha twe find during the las tpart of the game though we don't know any moer than that. The rest is just speculation really though I'm lookin gforward t olearning and hearing moer assuming we ge tmoer stories in this MEA galaxy.
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