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Post by themikefest on Jun 30, 2020 15:03:51 GMT
I put all 4 together in this thread since all are tied together. Some of the stuff I post will be guess work.
Here's the link to the collectors According to the above link, the collectors existed late in the prothean cycle. If true, then what did the reapers use for ground forces at the beginning of the harvest? What have they been doing for the last 50,000 years. Yes they built their base and ship, but for what purpose? Why didn't Sovereign use the collectors instead of the geth. The collectors were already under Harbinger's control. The other thing is when did Sovereign first realize the Citadel relay wasn't working? Instead chooses to waste time with the geth. Is it because the collectors never existed until ME2 was released?
Omega-4 relay It seems that the relay has been around since before the prothean cycle started. What purpose did it have? After using the relay, Moreau mentions some of the ships seen are ancient. I wonder how many ships that used it were ok after using the relay, but were destroyed by the oculus? Was it built when the Intelligence directed the reapers to build the relays?
Derelict reaper The reaper is disabled by a weapon fired from an unknown species. To me, it looks like the reaper was grazed, but suffered enough damage to not be operational. Had it been a direct his, the reaper would most likely be in pieces. The weapon did create the great rift. It also houses the IFF. Why would it need that?
IFF The IFF can be found on the derelict reaper.
Possible answers to the above.
Not only is the IFF used to get through the Omega-4 relay, but it's also used to access the Citadel relay. during a harvest, a reaper uses the IFF to go to the galactic core for some r&r.
maybe it is home to a previous species turned workers like the protheans to do whatever. I would guess the purpose of the collectors was to get a head start on the harvest by talking humans. Maybe that's what happens prior to each cycle. The inusannon were made into workers who started to abduct protheans to start building a reaper. If not, I see no reason why an Omega-4 relay is needed Why not have the reapers stay in the galactic core after each harvest instead of having to build a relay in darkspace? It would have saved them a lot of time from having to travel to the Milky Way.
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Post by capn233 on Jul 1, 2020 0:04:08 GMT
I put all 4 together in this thread since all are tied together. Some of the stuff I post will be guess work. Here's the link to the collectors According to the above link, the collectors existed late in the prothean cycle. If true, then what did the reapers use for ground forces at the beginning of the harvest? What have they been doing for the last 50,000 years. Yes they built their base and ship, but for what purpose? Why didn't Sovereign use the collectors instead of the geth. The collectors were already under Harbinger's control. The other thing is when did Sovereign first realize the Citadel relay wasn't working? Instead chooses to waste time with the geth. Is it because the collectors never existed until ME2 was released? If you ask the last question, then you can't really have this discussion.  Geth were likely used because the Collectors did not have sufficient ships to hold off the Citadel fleet. Geth had enough ships. Plausible explanations. But as far as dark space goes, it is risk reduction. Reapers are much less likely to be discovered if they can relay out to some undisclosed bit of intergalactic space where it is very unlikely they would be detected.
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Post by Sonya on Jul 1, 2020 11:44:56 GMT
According to the above link, the collectors existed late in the prothean cycle. If true, then what did the reapers use for ground forces at the beginning of the harvest? What have they been doing for the last 50,000 years. Yes they built their base and ship, but for what purpose? Why didn't Sovereign use the collectors instead of the geth. The collectors were already under Harbinger's control. The other thing is when did Sovereign first realize the Citadel relay wasn't working? Instead chooses to waste time with the geth. Is it because the collectors never existed until ME2 was released? Putting aside the fact "collectors never existed until ME2 was released". ------ At the beginning of the harvest the reapers used other races - "giant nightmare factory" @ The purpose of building the base and more ships - make the harvest faster/ships have been destroyed in other cycles and always need more. AI is an AI but some things is able to calculate as an AI. The geth were used as they are more resilient in comparison with the Collectors. When the Sovereign realized the Citadel relay did not work - think we will never know. In this situation that spy used the geth and the krogans as the ground and air forces distraction to give itself time to make a call to the reapers. It seems that the relay has been around since before the prothean cycle started. What purpose did it have? After using the relay, Moreau mentions some of the ships seen are ancient. I wonder how many ships that used it were ok after using the relay, but were destroyed by the oculus? Was it built when the Intelligence directed the reapers to build the relays? AI uses different methods to perform its function. Buiding Omega-4 Relay is a lure-trap and seems it worked just fine as there were many old ships (stupid homo/etc sapiens). Destroyed by oculus or fell into pieces as ended up close to the galactic core is another question - both variants are possible. The reaper is disabled by a weapon fired from an unknown species. To me, it looks like the reaper was grazed, but suffered enough damage to not be operational. Had it been a direct his, the reaper would most likely be in pieces. The weapon did create the great rift. It also houses the IFF. Why would it need that? The reaper was disabled on purposed as a trap - still works and interesting to study. The reaper was disabled or simple grazed by the creators saving their skin and that is why "grazed". Housing IFF - another trap. The IFF can be found on the derelict reaper.
Possible answers to the above.
Not only is the IFF used to get through the Omega-4 relay, but it's also used to access the Citadel relay. during a harvest, a reaper uses the IFF to go to the galactic core for some r&r.
maybe it is home to a previous species turned workers like the protheans to do whatever. I would guess the purpose of the collectors was to get a head start on the harvest by talking humans. Maybe that's what happens prior to each cycle. The inusannon were made into workers who started to abduct protheans to start building a reaper. If not, I see no reason why an Omega-4 relay is needed Why not have the reapers stay in the galactic core after each harvest instead of having to build a relay in darkspace? It would have saved them a lot of time from having to travel to the Milky Way. IFF is used to access the Citadel Relay means the Protheans on Ilos managed to get that IFF somehow but as had limitd time could only figure out how to get to the Citadel. Maybe they knew how to get to the Galactic Core but that information was not vital at that moment. Buildig Relays all over the Galaxy is a nice move if anything - just jump to some dark and dangerous places. It means AI was smart enough to do that as a simple AI with its calcilations. |
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Post by capn233 on Jul 2, 2020 1:28:36 GMT
Didn't mention last night, the derelict had a hole through it. Will try to link a picture, it is seen to the right of the pic. Actually I think the hole is how you jump out of it at the end of the mission.  One other thing I forgot about, back in the day there was some thought that Sovereign may have tried to open the Citadel relay circa 1CE and the result of his first efforts at recruiting allies was the Rachni wars. At least that can be a conclusion drawn from ME1 and ME2 (if queen spared) given the dialogue. The queen's message is that she believes Shepard is fighting against the ones who soured the song. With ME3 this gets muddied. In the base game, you can still be lead to this conclusion saving the queen. In Leviathan there is a hypothesis that the Leviathans were involved with the Rachni, but since that seems like a false lead it is probably not right. |
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Post by Sonya on Jul 2, 2020 11:58:35 GMT
Didn't mention last night, the derelict had a hole through it. Will try to link a picture, it is seen to the right of the pic. Actually I think the hole is how you jump out of it at the end of the mission. How convenient. Have a hole as an escape route. Who made that mess with the derelect reaper in your opinion? Sovereign may have tried to open the Citadel relay circa 1CE and the result of his first efforts at recruiting allies was the Rachni wars. The reapers knew about the rachni. Knew they could not control them as other races. Nevertheless still wanted to use them? Considering this - it was waste of time: catch the queens, make modifications etc. If that was true, AI was really desparate to recruite such allies during wartime. With ME3 this gets muddied. In the base game, you can still be lead to this conclusion saving the queen. In Leviathan there is a hypothesis that the Leviathans were involved with the Rachni, but since that seems like a false lead it is probably not right. That Rachni activity was irrelevant during the search, you mean this? Leviathan activity was important during the search. The fact that the Richni were here and there can mean Leviathans made them do this or that, not knowing what exactly they wanted or trying to confuse others while looking for some place to stay hidden. That Superior race was not only stupid to the core, but also desparate. In that case who is responsable for the army if not Leviathans since the Richni had no Reaper modificaions? And the race itself is not hostile. Reapers failed with the Rachni even if tried, Leviathans not. Leviathans, unlike the Reapers, were able to make the Rachni do what they wanted - provoke to breed an army at least. AI can't understand that and could do nothing but capture the queens. Only Leviathans were faster so the Reapers had no time to do something even if played their part in breeding an army and thus in Rachni Wars. Leviathans made the Richni breed an army and after just went away to watch. The army is left. Richni Wars started - too many out of control rachni panicked warriors are left. If involve Leviathans, they are to blame for everything either way. |
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Post by capn233 on Jul 2, 2020 22:17:47 GMT
That Rachni activity was irrelevant during the search, you mean this? Right, in the search if the map, the Rachni filter is not helpful, so the idea that the Leviathans might have controlled the Rachni could have been a bad hypothesis by the team.
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