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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 14, 2020 19:45:48 GMT
True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 I'd be fine with that as long as they did the same for the VS Doubt that, Liara is Bioware's favourite Pet. Where as the VS is Bioware's favourite Target Practice/Sacrifice for the PC. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 14, 2020 22:42:11 GMT
You are the one inserting her peeling it off of his body. She has it that is all we know. And it would be a valid assumption after what Taylor says, hearing t'soni say she gave your body to Cerberus, and finally seeing the armor in her apartment. So you would do the same as what t'soni did even for someone you have known for a very short time? In regards to t'soni saying Hackett gave her the dogtags, if not romanced, I would be curious why Hackett would give then to t'soni and not to Shepard's mother, for those that play as a spacer. That makes no sense. The other part t'soni says is he gave them to her to give to Shepard. What guarantee did he have Shepard would see t'soni? When did he find out that Shepard was alive to have given the asari the dogtags? What I would have done is have Hackett give the dogtags to Anderson to give to Shepard when Shepard sees him, at least for the one's who didn't choose the spacer background. Here's the video of her saying the above The biggest issue I have is Shepard not able to ask about that stuff in the dlc. My guess is Bioware didn't want Shepard and the asari to have any friction between them. I would be curious if instead of t'soni in the dlc, would you have a problem if another character, say Jacob Taylor, did exactly the same as what t'soni did, would you be ok with that? For me, it wouldn't matter which character did what t'soni did. If I'm in a relationship with the character, I would end right there, and would want nothing more to do with them. Jesus fuck Jacob should never get his own DLC. It could be called Rise of the Ambien.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 14, 2020 23:43:59 GMT
You are the one inserting her peeling it off of his body. She has it that is all we know. And it would be a valid assumption after what Taylor says, hearing t'soni say she gave your body to Cerberus, and finally seeing the armor in her apartment. So you would do the same as what t'soni did even for someone you have known for a very short time? In regards to t'soni saying Hackett gave her the dogtags, if not romanced, I would be curious why Hackett would give then to t'soni and not to Shepard's mother, for those that play as a spacer. That makes no sense. The other part t'soni says is he gave them to her to give to Shepard. What guarantee did he have Shepard would see t'soni? When did he find out that Shepard was alive to have given the asari the dogtags? What I would have done is have Hackett give the dogtags to Anderson to give to Shepard when Shepard sees him, at least for the one's who didn't choose the spacer background. Here's the video of her saying the above The biggest issue I have is Shepard not able to ask about that stuff in the dlc. My guess is Bioware didn't want Shepard and the asari to have any friction between them. I would be curious if instead of t'soni in the dlc, would you have a problem if another character, say Jacob Taylor, did exactly the same as what t'soni did, would you be ok with that? For me, it wouldn't matter which character did what t'soni did. If I'm in a relationship with the character, I would end right there, and would want nothing more to do with them. People bond quickly in conflict and combat, and you did kind of save the galaxy together. And on top of that I have no idea what a mind meld entails for her. That in itself if she finds you compatible might form a strong bond worthy of keeping mementos. We have no idea. But, even without that. Yeah if I rolled around with a dude in combat for 9 months and we went on a mission where we saved the planet together, yeah I'd have a couple keepsakes.
Me if I was left for dead, all my friends abandoned me except one who took crazy risks, made deals with dangerous and unsavory characters, turned their life upside down in order to recover and save me. I wouldn't sweat the small stuff like did she tell enough people, the same people who abandoned me about it. In fact she'd be about the only friend I'd back 100%. The rest of them I can accept they thought there was no hope, but still fuck em they didn't even find my dog tags. Buy, hey you do you.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Oct 15, 2020 6:40:46 GMT
Jesus fuck Jacob should never get his own DLC. It could be called Rise of the Ambien.  MC Zolpidem...
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Post by themikefest on Oct 16, 2020 18:33:55 GMT
Here's what aoibhealfae has to say about Liara. It's a post from this thread Player's agency is the key here. Every other character except her are optional, with or without romance state. There's multitude of path and interactions that you take that was carried through. But Liara is ALWAYS written the same in all four games. The ONLY difference for her is romance state but even this was heavily implied by Bioware that she is the default preferential romance.
A lot of her characterization required a LOT of acceptance over her various behaviors and inconsistencies, instead of addressing each of them appropriately, they just pile on everything making her a multitasking genius archeologist superbiotic crime lord asari etc. I play Shepard as a woman who have no time to care about her because the galaxy need saving and there are more worrying things to do than giving attention to a childish alien and her excessive overly-attached crush.
When she display pathological behaviors; cyber stalking, collecting trophies from your corpse, emotional bribery; as a player, we should have the option to say no to her rather than encourage her further. But Bioware are content with adding on every plot devices they could think off for that behaviors because she is the magical stagnant character that the fandom accept without questions. This preferential treatment for her alienate EVERY other characters in the game as if their presence was meaningless compared to Liara fans.
And not every one of us like her and yet we're all being constantly reminded of this every single time we play the games. Through animations, through the stories. If you put off Therum until at the end of the game, EVERYONE telling you into to get her even when she's fairly useless without the Cipher and Virmire's beacon in combination. There's really no need for her to mind meld more than once. She is the default character in most of the DLCs; Lair of the Shadow Broker, From Ashes, Citadel DLC (especially if you don't romance other ME3's squadmate). You go to Andromeda and you can't even escape her finding some ways to leave a mark on Ryder's family. Things like these doesn't make her more endearing, we're sick of Liara T'Soni. True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 I'd be fine with that as long as they did the same for the VS Interviewer: You just announced MEA2 recently with Liara T'soni and A/K being in the game. Can you explain how and why or do players have to wait to play the game to get the answer? Bioware: You don't need to know, and there's not enough time to explain. Interviewer: Ok???.... Since they're going to be in the game, will that mean the player will learn what happened with the reapers? I ask because Mike Gamble tweeted player choice is something we take very seriously. Depending on a players playthrough both A/K and Liara could be dead by the end of ME3. Bioware:.......This interview is over.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 16, 2020 18:58:41 GMT
True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 I'd be fine with that as long as they did the same for the VS Interviewer: You just announced MEA2 recently with Liara T'soni and A/K being in the game. Can you explain how and why or do players have to wait to play the game to get the answer? Bioware: You don't need to know, and there's not enough time to explain. Interviewer: Ok???.... Since they're going to be in the game, will that mean the player will learn what happened with the reapers? I ask because Mike Gamble tweeted player choice is something we take very seriously. Depending on a players playthrough both A/K and Liara could be dead by the end of ME3. Bioware:.......This interview is over. Lol! Sounds about right. |
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Post by Iakus on Oct 16, 2020 21:29:16 GMT
True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 I'd be fine with that as long as they did the same for the VS Interviewer: You just announced MEA2 recently with Liara T'soni and A/K being in the game. Can you explain how and why or do players have to wait to play the game to get the answer? Bioware: You don't need to know, and there's not enough time to explain. Interviewer: Ok???.... Since they're going to be in the game, will that mean the player will learn what happened with the reapers? I ask because Mike Gamble tweeted player choice is something we take very seriously. Depending on a players playthrough both A/K and Liara could be dead by the end of ME3. Bioware:.......This interview is over. *followed by decking the reporter*
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Oct 18, 2020 16:46:28 GMT
For ME1, I'd like some minor things like referencing the major merc gangs we see on ME2 (Eclipse, Blue Suns and Bloodpack). The mercs we fight always seem a private force of someone who hired them and that's it. Then, in ME2, they just suddenly appear and almost all of the missions are them involved somehow. I guess I would ask for an improved combat as well for the first game, kind of a mix between 2 and 3's gameplay, but keeping the same pace as the original (because you know, how the environment works and such for that particular game) Easter Eggs and hidden things to discover about the Andromeda Initiative or other games, such as letting you visit Bekke from ME:Infiltrator or the Cerberus Facility from Infiltrator. Also allow you to visit some key locations, like Mindoir and Torfan. Integrating Cerberus News Network and Alliance News Network to your E-Mail and having some more mentions on the Virtual Aliens. That's it, to be honest. I guess part of a remastered is just graphics and sometimes a bonus lore-wise to attract people to play again. Not Remake, the trilogy is done on how it is done, including the whole ending stuff and Liara debate plus some maaaaaany other things that were debated here and on other threads. OK, I forgot one thing: Dr.Chakwas on the Citadel DLC Biower pls
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2020 17:11:00 GMT
For ME1, I'd like some minor things like referencing the major merc gangs we see on ME2 (Eclipse, Blue Suns and Bloodpack). The mercs we fight always seem a private force of someone who hired them and that's it. Then, in ME2, they just suddenly appear and almost all of the missions are them involved somehow. I guess I would ask for an improved combat as well for the first game, kind of a mix between 2 and 3's gameplay, but keeping the same pace as the original (because you know, how the environment works and such for that particular game) Easter Eggs and hidden things to discover about the Andromeda Initiative or other games, such as letting you visit Bekke from ME:Infiltrator or the Cerberus Facility from Infiltrator. Also allow you to visit some key locations, like Mindoir and Torfan. Integrating Cerberus News Network and Alliance News Network to your E-Mail and having some more mentions on the Virtual Aliens. That's it, to be honest. I guess part of a remastered is just graphics and sometimes a bonus lore-wise to attract people to play again. Not Remake, the trilogy is done on how it is done, including the whole ending stuff and Liara debate plus some maaaaaany other things that were debated here and on other threads. OK, I forgot one thing: Dr.Chakwas on the Citadel DLC Biower pls Kelly too. Literally the only achievement-granting LI not in it. Other than Thane but he gets the nice funeral scene. |
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Post by Phantom on Oct 18, 2020 17:13:52 GMT
OK, I forgot one thing: Dr.Chakwas on the Citadel DLC Biower pls Kelly too. Literally the only achievement-granting LI not in it. Other than Thane but he gets the nice funeral scene. Kelly Chambers is always a plus for me and Dr. Chakwas is cool too.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Oct 18, 2020 21:11:21 GMT
OK, I forgot one thing: Dr.Chakwas on the Citadel DLC Biower pls Kelly too. Literally the only achievement-granting LI not in it. Other than Thane but he gets the nice funeral scene. Yeah, to be completely honest, I've thought about getting Adams and Chambers for it, but they seem to be out of place for that. Chakwas was the only one by your side since the beggining. Kelly was ME2 and that little ME3 cameo, and Adams apologize for not trusting Cerberus (and you) to join the crew on ME2. But come to think of, there's the Virmire Survivor that constantly rubs in your face that too, but they still are part of the crew.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2020 21:31:06 GMT
Kelly too. Literally the only achievement-granting LI not in it. Other than Thane but he gets the nice funeral scene. Yeah, to be completely honest, I've thought about getting Adams and Chambers for it, but they seem to be out of place for that. Chakwas was the only one by your side since the beggining. Kelly was ME2 and that little ME3 cameo, and Adams apologize for not trusting Cerberus (and you) to join the crew on ME2. But come to think of, there's the Virmire Survivor that constantly rubs in your face that too, but they still are part of the crew. Too bad Adams and Chakwas are not in the memorial scene. Maybe that would be one of the things Bioware would add to the remaster. Don't know.
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Oct 18, 2020 22:22:29 GMT
Kaidan for gaymers from the start, all the files are there, Rondeenos' mod prove it and they are delightful. Also since there are some files for Thane, it would cool to have one option in ME2 too.
The rest I dont care besides pretty textures and such, the games are fine the way they are for me. If they extend the ending to get a happier one is cool but I'm not going to be sad about it if they dont.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Oct 18, 2020 22:45:00 GMT
And it would be a valid assumption after what Taylor says, hearing t'soni say she gave your body to Cerberus, and finally seeing the armor in her apartment. So you would do the same as what t'soni did even for someone you have known for a very short time? In regards to t'soni saying Hackett gave her the dogtags, if not romanced, I would be curious why Hackett would give then to t'soni and not to Shepard's mother, for those that play as a spacer. That makes no sense. The other part t'soni says is he gave them to her to give to Shepard. What guarantee did he have Shepard would see t'soni? When did he find out that Shepard was alive to have given the asari the dogtags? What I would have done is have Hackett give the dogtags to Anderson to give to Shepard when Shepard sees him, at least for the one's who didn't choose the spacer background. Here's the video of her saying the above The biggest issue I have is Shepard not able to ask about that stuff in the dlc. My guess is Bioware didn't want Shepard and the asari to have any friction between them. I would be curious if instead of t'soni in the dlc, would you have a problem if another character, say Jacob Taylor, did exactly the same as what t'soni did, would you be ok with that? For me, it wouldn't matter which character did what t'soni did. If I'm in a relationship with the character, I would end right there, and would want nothing more to do with them. People bond quickly in conflict and combat, and you did kind of save the galaxy together. And on top of that I have no idea what a mind meld entails for her. That in itself if she finds you compatible might form a strong bond worthy of keeping mementos. We have no idea. But, even without that. Yeah if I rolled around with a dude in combat for 9 months and we went on a mission where we saved the planet together, yeah I'd have a couple keepsakes.
Me if I was left for dead, all my friends abandoned me except one who took crazy risks, made deals with dangerous and unsavory characters, turned their life upside down in order to recover and save me. I wouldn't sweat the small stuff like did she tell enough people, the same people who abandoned me about it. In fact she'd be about the only friend I'd back 100%. The rest of them I can accept they thought there was no hope, but still fuck em they didn't even find my dog tags. Buy, hey you do you.
Yea, makes total sense to hate the 1 companion who gave enough of a shit to actually make some sort of effort to help you, rather than just surrender to despair and move on with life...what a bitch.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2020 11:54:21 GMT
Listen, we all know why it's Liara. While it would be more interesting and more character developing for either Kaidan or Ashley to do it, either one of them could be dead. And Kaidan, especially, was serving with Shepard from the start, so if it made sense for one character to do it, it would be him. But he might have died. So, whoops! Which is why I don't like forced character deaths. Don't fuck your setting up by limiting its potential. Goddamn.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 19, 2020 13:24:04 GMT
Too bad A/K couldn't have gotten a dlc in ME2. One way would have been is after not hearing from Shepard for x amount of time, Hackett sends A/K to look into it. The player plays as A/K who encounters a few baddies looking for Shepard. After that, both deal with the baddies to stop Kenson.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2020 14:05:26 GMT
After that, both deal with the baddies to stop Kenson. Kenson? |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 19, 2020 14:25:19 GMT
Kenson from the Arrival dlc
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2020 14:25:52 GMT
Right, right, right.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Oct 19, 2020 14:37:32 GMT
Listen, we all know why it's Liara. While it would be more interesting and more character developing for either Kaidan or Ashley to do it, either one of them could be dead. And Kaidan, especially, was serving with Shepard from the start, so if it made sense for one character to do it, it would be him. But he might have died. So, whoops! Which is why I don't like forced character deaths. Don't fuck your setting up by limiting its potential. Goddamn. Agree with that. Part of me always has thought that Bioware indeed estabilished a canon: Liara (which appears asking you to evacuate during ME2 opening scene) is the one that feels responsible for not dragging you to the pod, so she parts on the whole recover your body mission, becoming central to the plot. That wouldn't be the first time. Knights of the Old Republic did the same thing with Revan and the Exile, but in a major circumstance Come to think of, Liara is kinda "forced" into you in the first game as well, since the mindset of a person playing RPG is "oh, let me get that person who may be a companion (since squadmate screen did show an Asari and whatnot) to explore the conversations with him/her before I do anything else". Plus, mind meld, Benezia being influential for Saren, her having a main mission attached to her on the first game (not like Garrus who has a skippable with Saleon or Tali with a text pop-up) and not being a walking Codex Entry for most part like Tali. To be honest, I don't care abou that since Liara has always been my ME "canon" romance, so I do appreciate her being central to the plot, but I do see where people's complaints come from.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Oct 19, 2020 15:10:02 GMT
I do appreciate her being central to the plot She's not, though. She's not required to stop Benezia and her input in 1 is entirely optional, but for some reason, you can't not do it. The only "central" thing she does, is finding the Crucible files. You could say "also recovering Shepard", sure, but that's more because of convenience. Almost everyone else, except Tali, can either be dead or not recruited. And it would make more sense to have Liara do it, than Tali, which is the only other way that Shepard could have been recovered, since Liara was a potential LI, at least. Bioware should have made that be dynamic, according to your ME1 playthrough and not limit it to being Liara. But then you wouldn't be able to make the comic books. Well, the comic books sucked and offered nothing of importance. The only good thing that came out of the whole story was LotSB. And it's a good payoff. It's a good DLC. Which is why I am not mad. I can't be, in this case. But a lot of these are thrust into Liara, exactly because of her "impervious" quality. |
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Post by Iakus on Oct 19, 2020 15:18:44 GMT
Listen, we all know why it's Liara. While it would be more interesting and more character developing for either Kaidan or Ashley to do it, either one of them could be dead. And Kaidan, especially, was serving with Shepard from the start, so if it made sense for one character to do it, it would be him. But he might have died. So, whoops! Which is why I don't like forced character deaths. Don't fuck your setting up by limiting its potential. Goddamn. Agree with that. Part of me always has thought that Bioware indeed estabilished a canon: Liara (which appears asking you to evacuate during ME2 opening scene) is the one that feels responsible for not dragging you to the pod, so she parts on the whole recover your body mission, becoming central to the plot. That wouldn't be the first time. Knights of the Old Republic did the same thing with Revan and the Exile, but in a major circumstance Come to think of, Liara is kinda "forced" into you in the first game as well, since the mindset of a person playing RPG is "oh, let me get that person who may be a companion (since squadmate screen did show an Asari and whatnot) to explore the conversations with him/her before I do anything else". Plus, mind meld, Benezia being influential for Saren, her having a main mission attached to her on the first game (not like Garrus who has a skippable with Saleon or Tali with a text pop-up) and not being a walking Codex Entry for most part like Tali. To be honest, I don't care abou that since Liara has always been my ME "canon" romance, so I do appreciate her being central to the plot, but I do see where people's complaints come from. Liara is "forced" into being important to the story in ME1, but having any sort of positive relationship with Shepard is not. Her obsession with Shepard from ME2 onward can cause some pretty severe dissonance depending on how you played ME1. Edit: on the flipside, see the VS, whose relationship is forced to be NEGATIVE regardless of your relationship with them in ME1
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Oct 19, 2020 17:31:43 GMT
I do appreciate her being central to the plot You could say "also recovering Shepard", sure, but that's more because of convenience. Exactly what I meant. I don't mind this whole convenience scenario and dismissal of opportunity for other squadmates, one complete Shadow Broker DLC focused on her, the comics and her discovery of the Crucible files because she was canon to my Shepard. Convenience or not, she is indeed central to the plot.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 20, 2020 0:47:29 GMT
OK, I forgot one thing: Dr.Chakwas on the Citadel DLC Biower pls Kelly too. Literally the only achievement-granting LI not in it. Other than Thane but he gets the nice funeral scene. I don't know how many romance Chambers, but if a remaster is released, Bioware could add her in the flashback when Shepard is making the ending choice since no audio is required.
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Post by vonuber on Oct 22, 2020 12:50:06 GMT
Ah, I had forgotten all the whingeing about Liara and how 'forced' she is, despite practically being missing for an entire game unless you choose to pay for it.
Just like old times.
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