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Post by themikefest on Oct 13, 2020 1:03:40 GMT
Who would that someone be? The Alliance? Garrus? Ashley/Kaidan? Wrex? She could tell Hackett since both seem to be buddy, buddy. Depending on her relationship with A/K, who could be Shepard's LI, she could tell them who pass the information to the Alliance. If she doesn't want to do it face-to-face with anyone, send an anonymous message with inside information that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus who are attempting to bring her/him back. To back that up, send the armor , which has Shepard's dna, as proof. What could the Alliance do? Not much since they have no idea where the body has been taken to. With her doing that, the scene on Horizon might have gone smoother. Either way, with not making any attempt, it shows she has an agenda. Friends don't do that. Friends don't steal armor from dead bodies to put on display. Friends don't place dna in different parts of their apartment. If Shepard wasn't revived, what would she do with the dna? I remember that line. I play my Shepard who doesn't care about the asari, so it would make sense for her/him to not want to be friends with the asari. Unfortunately Bioware didn't see it that way. My guess is they didn't want any friction between Shepard and t'soni. Forced? My Shepard had no problem working with them. Why? Here's what I've posted a couple times before about that. The SR1 comes under attack. Shepard searches the ship to make sure no one is left. As he/she reaches the c**kpit, Moreau is seen getting into the escape pod. Shepard jumps in just as the door closes. Shortly after that, Shepard searches for the remains of the SR1. After that, Shepard searches for clues to stopping the reapers. Back on the Citadel, Shepard runs into Miranda Lawson. She explains who she works for and explains colonists are being taken. Shepard joins Lawson on Freedoms Progress to find proof. Once back talks with the Alliance who admit they aren't doing much of anything. Shepard flips them the bird, and joins Cerberus to stop anymore abductions. The Alliance doesn't like it, but know something has to be done.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 13, 2020 1:08:14 GMT
Who would that someone be? The Alliance? Garrus? Ashley/Kaidan? Wrex? She could tell Hackett since both seem to be buddy, buddy. Depending on her relationship with A/K, who could be Shepard's LI, she could tell them who pass the information to the Alliance. If she doesn't want to do it face-to-face with anyone, send an anonymous message with inside information that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus who are attempting to bring her/him back. To back that up, send the armor , which has Shepard's dna, as proof. What could the Alliance do? Not much since they have no idea where the body has been taken to. With her doing that, the scene on Horizon might have gone smoother. Either way, with not making any attempt, it shows she has an agenda. Friends don't do that. Friends don't steal armor from dead bodies to put on display. Friends don't place dna in different parts of their apartment. If Shepard wasn't revived, what would she do with the dna? I remember that line. I play my Shepard who doesn't care about the asari, so it would make sense for her/him to not want to be friends with the asari. Unfortunately Bioware didn't see it that way. My guess is they didn't want any friction between Shepard and t'soni. Forced? My Shepard had no problem working with them. Why? Here's what I've posted a couple times before about that. The SR1 comes under attack. Shepard searches the ship to make sure no one is left. As he/she reaches the c**kpit, Moreau is seen getting into the escape pod. Shepard jumps in just as the door closes. Shortly after that, Shepard searches for the remains of the SR1. After that, Shepard searches for clues to stopping the reapers. Back on the Citadel, Shepard runs into Miranda Lawson. She explains who she works for and explains colonists are being taken. Shepard joins Lawson on Freedoms Progress to find proof. Once back talks with the Alliance who admit they aren't doing much of anything. Shepard flips them the bird, and joins Cerberus to stop anymore abductions. The Alliance doesn't like it, but know something has to be done. Chances are that Liara would try to breed with Shepard's DNA, knowing that freak.... 😒 |
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Post by ahglock on Oct 13, 2020 3:39:02 GMT
as for Shepard's death, Having characters being attached to Shepard and tried to help out to recover his body is perfectly alright conversely recovering armor from the corpse of someone that you care for is a tell tell sign of a possible mental illness. True everyone copes differently when someone they care about dies but Liara has either aspergers or really poor coping skills with Shepard's death. As for Cerberus, a darker shade of Grey with a reasonable size(but not the size of ME3 Cerberus) would be nice. I might post later if people are interested for new bad guy factions to fight against. Side note: I would love a three way headbutting contest between Kai Leng, a Batarian Commando and an Asari and a Player character to stop them from making a hole in the ship. Many people without a mental illness hold onto items of people they cared for once they die. And in this case you aren't dead, she made a choice to hand you over to the only people who may be able to save you. Holding onto a memento again isn't unusual.
Its not like she found your body and pried the armor off calling it her precious. She recovered you, turned you over to Cerberus and your stuff likely was ending up in a junk pile, she took something to remember you. That's pretty normal behavior.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 13, 2020 4:19:00 GMT
as for Shepard's death, Having characters being attached to Shepard and tried to help out to recover his body is perfectly alright conversely recovering armor from the corpse of someone that you care for is a tell tell sign of a possible mental illness. True everyone copes differently when someone they care about dies but Liara has either aspergers or really poor coping skills with Shepard's death. As for Cerberus, a darker shade of Grey with a reasonable size(but not the size of ME3 Cerberus) would be nice. I might post later if people are interested for new bad guy factions to fight against. Side note: I would love a three way headbutting contest between Kai Leng, a Batarian Commando and an Asari and a Player character to stop them from making a hole in the ship. Many people without a mental illness hold onto items of people they cared for once they die. And in this case you aren't dead, she made a choice to hand you over to the only people who may be able to save you. Holding onto a memento again isn't unusual.
Its not like she found your body and pried the armor off calling it her precious. She recovered you, turned you over to Cerberus and your stuff likely was ending up in a junk pile, she took something to remember you. That's pretty normal behavior.
Mementos are one thing. for example, I have my brother's knife but Not the clothes that he died in while he died in the hospital.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 13, 2020 8:05:11 GMT
Who would that someone be? The Alliance? Garrus? Ashley/Kaidan? Wrex? She could tell Hackett since both seem to be buddy, buddy. Depending on her relationship with A/K, who could be Shepard's LI, she could tell them who pass the information to the Alliance. If she doesn't want to do it face-to-face with anyone, send an anonymous message with inside information that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus who are attempting to bring her/him back. To back that up, send the armor , which has Shepard's dna, as proof. What could the Alliance do? Not much since they have no idea where the body has been taken to. With her doing that, the scene on Horizon might have gone smoother. Either way, with not making any attempt, it shows she has an agenda. Friends don't do that. Friends don't steal armor from dead bodies to put on display. Friends don't place dna in different parts of their apartment. If Shepard wasn't revived, what would she do with the dna? I remember that line. I play my Shepard who doesn't care about the asari, so it would make sense for her/him to not want to be friends with the asari. Unfortunately Bioware didn't see it that way. My guess is they didn't want any friction between Shepard and t'soni. Forced? My Shepard had no problem working with them. Why? Here's what I've posted a couple times before about that. The SR1 comes under attack. Shepard searches the ship to make sure no one is left. As he/she reaches the c**kpit, Moreau is seen getting into the escape pod. Shepard jumps in just as the door closes. Shortly after that, Shepard searches for the remains of the SR1. After that, Shepard searches for clues to stopping the reapers. Back on the Citadel, Shepard runs into Miranda Lawson. She explains who she works for and explains colonists are being taken. Shepard joins Lawson on Freedoms Progress to find proof. Once back talks with the Alliance who admit they aren't doing much of anything. Shepard flips them the bird, and joins Cerberus to stop anymore abductions. The Alliance doesn't like it, but know something has to be done.
Except telling Hackett or anyone else isn't really helpful anyway. Consider, Shepard is still dead, and they all have settled with that outcome. There's no guarantee that Cerberus would succeed, so all Liara would be doing by spreading this info around is giving out hope prematurely, with the risk of nothing come of it if Cerberus fails. There's not even the guarantee that Cerberus would even give the body over for burial, which just adds insult to injury. In her position, I wouldn't tell them anything either.
Sure you remember that line. I remember it too. But there are more substantial things in ME1 that do not carry over to ME2. Like, Garrus' little side quest in ME1 with Dr. Heart doesn't affect his character whatsoever, and the all-human council gets [sensibly] retconned out. If that doesn't make it in, a throwaway line from renegade Shep definitely wouldn't.
Whether or not you would want to join Cerberus doesn't mean that it's not forced. You have no choice but to be with them anyway. It's no different from you having no choice but to hug Liara.
As I've said in a previous comment, I think the most sensible option is to leave the Cerberus name out of it, at least in the beginning. From a character motivation standpoint, Shepard has no reason to consider the option to build a relationship with, especially Sole Survivor Shepards. Also, Cerberus has no reason to believe that Shepard be remotely willing to have anything to do with them. ME2 actually does touch on this idea, with how both Wilson and later Miranda object to Jacob admitting fully who it is they work for. Clearly, Cerberus wanted to ease Shepard into knowing who they were affiliating with to make it easier. If we're in an alternate storyline where Shepard survives the attack and is immediately back with the Alliance afterward, they'd have to ease Shepard in even slower. Perhaps even way late in the story, long after Shepard's built a meaningful rapport with the operatives and The Illusive Man.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 13, 2020 20:24:14 GMT
Many people without a mental illness hold onto items of people they cared for once they die. And in this case you aren't dead, she made a choice to hand you over to the only people who may be able to save you. Holding onto a memento again isn't unusual.
Its not like she found your body and pried the armor off calling it her precious. She recovered you, turned you over to Cerberus and your stuff likely was ending up in a junk pile, she took something to remember you. That's pretty normal behavior.
Mementos are one thing. for example, I have my brother's knife but Not the clothes that he died in while he died in the hospital. Except again you aren't dead, and its not like she has many options to pick from. Your ship where you kept your stuff just blew up. She was just keeping a memento, that's it.
Hey, don't like her all you want. I just don't get the need to put everything into the worst possible perspective in order to justify that. I don't like Ash because of the stupid poetry stuff, I don't feel the need to looks at everything else she does in the worst possible light to justify it past that. The poetry is lame, if anyone in real life started reciting poetry to me I'd slowly back out of the room. That's all I need.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 13, 2020 21:17:40 GMT
Mementos are one thing. for example, I have my brother's knife but Not the clothes that he died in while he died in the hospital. Except again you aren't dead, and its not like she has many options to pick from. Your ship where you kept your stuff just blew up. She was just keeping a memento, that's it.
Hey, don't like her all you want. I just don't get the need to put everything into the worst possible perspective in order to justify that. I don't like Ash because of the stupid poetry stuff, I don't feel the need to looks at everything else she does in the worst possible light to justify it past that. The poetry is lame, if anyone in real life started reciting poetry to me I'd slowly back out of the room. That's all I need.
alrighty then.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 13, 2020 22:06:09 GMT
Except again you aren't dead, So Taylor saying Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes was a lie? How about him saying you were as dead as dead can be? Wasn't it about a month when Cerberus got Shepard's body? That's a month without any air, food and water plus not receiving any medical attention for that time. I would agree with Taylor. Shepard was dead. So peeling armor from Shepard's body, or what's left of it according to Taylor, is called keeping a momento? What about the dogtags? There are two versions about them. If she is romanced, she will say she recovered them. So if she has those, then what was the purpose for having the armor? If she isn't romanced, she will say Hackett gave her the tags. Unfortunately Shepard doesn't have the opportunity to ask her about that.
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Post by NUM13ER on Oct 13, 2020 22:11:16 GMT
- Add in additional dialogue cutscenes for the DLC characters and supporting NPC's where they cut corners (especially in ME3). I’m kind of surprised that ME3 is the one called out on this one, since I found that NPC’s probably had the most to say in that game’s expansions than in the other 2 games, that is to say, they didn’t say anything at all. Heck, I’d rather that investment go toward having my companions comment during Bring Down the Sky, and have the third companion actually say something in Lair of the Shadow Broker, particularly Garrus if you take him with you. I noticed it a lot more with Massani and Goto in Mass Effect 2, no doubt as they were rushed out to be DLC. But in 3 there were a lot of moments where the game didn't allow you to ask more questions and just had the two possible responses. And it got really noticeable towards the end, where the deadline was clearly looming. You'll get no arguments from me about wanting them to focus on companions having more to say though.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 14, 2020 4:42:29 GMT
Except again you aren't dead, So Taylor saying Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes was a lie? How about him saying you were as dead as dead can be? Wasn't it about a month when Cerberus got Shepard's body? That's a month without any air, food and water plus not receiving any medical attention for that time. I would agree with Taylor. Shepard was dead. So peeling armor from Shepard's body, or what's left of it according to Taylor, is called keeping a momento? What about the dogtags? There are two versions about them. If she is romanced, she will say she recovered them. So if she has those, then what was the purpose for having the armor? If she isn't romanced, she will say Hackett gave her the tags. Unfortunately Shepard doesn't have the opportunity to ask her about that. We never get a clear answer on how dead Shepard was. We just know he wasn't dead enough for his mind to degrade to the point you lose your memories. He wasn't dead enough that Liara and Cerberus thought it was impossible to bring him back. Under our current tech people can die for a period of time and be revived so they aren't dead. In the future, with medi-gel, suspended animation, cybernetics who knows how long the you dying state can last before you are no longer recoverable.
You are the one inserting her peeling it off of his body. She has it that is all we know. I have multiple keepsakes of my father. Having more than 1 isn't that odd.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 14, 2020 5:24:10 GMT
In reality, there would have been no body or armor to salvage. Between burning up in reentry and hitting the ground at those speeds if they somehow made it that far.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Oct 14, 2020 6:28:06 GMT
If t'soni cared, she would have informed someone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She even says was I suppose to let my friend die when there was something that can be done, when asked why by Shepard for giving the body to Cerberus? If Shepard wants to throw her whiny a** in a volcano, in ME1, I doubt Shepard wants to be friends. And if someone said that to me, I would not call that person a friend and avoid them if possible. Not informing anyone about Shepard's body is not being a friend, it's more what is her agenda. Look at her stealing the armor from Shepard's body. Placing Shepard's dna in parts of her apartment. Caring went out the window the moment she choose to do, or not do, those things. If it wasn't for help from Feron and Cerberus, would t'soni have been able to hand Shepard's body to Cerberus? If the trilogy is to be remade, hopefully Bioware doesn't have Shepard die at the beginning of ME2. Not only would it get rid of the hocus-pocus crap of bringing Shepard back, but gets rid of the stuff in the broker dlc as well. That is why I do suspect that Liara might have a form of Aspergers. Also Liara is not social adept like Normal Asari adult. Her odd behavior is atypical for her species and norms of many species. Also As for Cerberus, a darker shade of Grey with a reasonable size(but not the size of ME3 Cerberus) would be nice. I might post later if people are interested for new bad guy factions to fight against. Side note: I would love a three way headbutting contest between Kai Leng, a Batarian Commando and an Asari and a Player character to stop them from making a hole in the ship. I think everyone is just WAY overthinking Liara, tbh. This is Bioware writing we're talking about. The Armor is just Author short-hand for "Shepard is Liara's one true wuve" regardless of weather or not you're romancing her. In her mind she is your waifu. Why? Because that is what Bioware wanted her to be. That's all the Armor in her room is people. Your giving Bioware way too much credit talking about mental illnesses and shit. Yall need to stop lol.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Oct 14, 2020 6:30:26 GMT
Many people without a mental illness hold onto items of people they cared for once they die. And in this case you aren't dead, she made a choice to hand you over to the only people who may be able to save you. Holding onto a memento again isn't unusual.
Its not like she found your body and pried the armor off calling it her precious. She recovered you, turned you over to Cerberus and your stuff likely was ending up in a junk pile, she took something to remember you. That's pretty normal behavior.
Mementos are one thing. for example, I have my brother's knife but Not the clothes that he died in while he died in the hospital. People keep the ashes, aka the burned body, of their loved ones on mantle's, in their house. This is normal behavior. Do you guys even interact with people? lol
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Post by themikefest on Oct 14, 2020 7:50:11 GMT
Here's what aoibhealfae has to say about Liara. It's a post from this thread Player's agency is the key here. Every other character except her are optional, with or without romance state. There's multitude of path and interactions that you take that was carried through. But Liara is ALWAYS written the same in all four games. The ONLY difference for her is romance state but even this was heavily implied by Bioware that she is the default preferential romance.
A lot of her characterization required a LOT of acceptance over her various behaviors and inconsistencies, instead of addressing each of them appropriately, they just pile on everything making her a multitasking genius archeologist superbiotic crime lord asari etc. I play Shepard as a woman who have no time to care about her because the galaxy need saving and there are more worrying things to do than giving attention to a childish alien and her excessive overly-attached crush.
When she display pathological behaviors; cyber stalking, collecting trophies from your corpse, emotional bribery; as a player, we should have the option to say no to her rather than encourage her further. But Bioware are content with adding on every plot devices they could think off for that behaviors because she is the magical stagnant character that the fandom accept without questions. This preferential treatment for her alienate EVERY other characters in the game as if their presence was meaningless compared to Liara fans.
And not every one of us like her and yet we're all being constantly reminded of this every single time we play the games. Through animations, through the stories. If you put off Therum until at the end of the game, EVERYONE telling you into to get her even when she's fairly useless without the Cipher and Virmire's beacon in combination. There's really no need for her to mind meld more than once. She is the default character in most of the DLCs; Lair of the Shadow Broker, From Ashes, Citadel DLC (especially if you don't romance other ME3's squadmate). You go to Andromeda and you can't even escape her finding some ways to leave a mark on Ryder's family. Things like these doesn't make her more endearing, we're sick of Liara T'Soni. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 14, 2020 11:30:18 GMT
Except again you aren't dead, So Taylor saying Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes was a lie? How about him saying you were as dead as dead can be? Wasn't it about a month when Cerberus got Shepard's body? That's a month without any air, food and water plus not receiving any medical attention for that time. I would agree with Taylor. Shepard was dead. So peeling armor from Shepard's body, or what's left of it according to Taylor, is called keeping a momento? What about the dogtags? There are two versions about them. If she is romanced, she will say she recovered them. So if she has those, then what was the purpose for having the armor? If she isn't romanced, she will say Hackett gave her the tags. Unfortunately Shepard doesn't have the opportunity to ask her about that. Yeah, I think it’s fair to say that Jenkins would have been in a more recoverable state than whatever Shepard would be at that point. Long term exposure to the vacuum of space, then subsequent exposure to a harsh alien atmosphere comprised of methane and ammonia should seal the deal. ME3 kind of backtracks on this though, saying that the helmet preserved the brain enough to bring back. All this complicated nonsense just makes me wish for a simple, believable coma. Extensive injuries can still account for the cybernetics, without having to perform cyber-necromancy.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 14, 2020 16:15:59 GMT
In reality, there would have been no body or armor to salvage. Between burning up in reentry and hitting the ground at those speeds if they somehow made it that far. Not to mention the freezing temperatures and caustic atmosphere and what that would do to human tissue...
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Post by Iakus on Oct 14, 2020 16:18:02 GMT
So Taylor saying Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes was a lie? How about him saying you were as dead as dead can be? Wasn't it about a month when Cerberus got Shepard's body? That's a month without any air, food and water plus not receiving any medical attention for that time. I would agree with Taylor. Shepard was dead. So peeling armor from Shepard's body, or what's left of it according to Taylor, is called keeping a momento? What about the dogtags? There are two versions about them. If she is romanced, she will say she recovered them. So if she has those, then what was the purpose for having the armor? If she isn't romanced, she will say Hackett gave her the tags. Unfortunately Shepard doesn't have the opportunity to ask her about that. Yeah, I think it’s fair to say that Jenkins would have been in a more recoverable state than whatever Shepard would be at that point. Long term exposure to the vacuum of space, then subsequent exposure to a harsh alien atmosphere comprised of methane and ammonia should seal the deal. ME3 kind of backtracks on this though, saying that the helmet preserved the brain enough to bring back. All this complicated nonsense just makes me wish for a simple, believable coma. Extensive injuries can still account for the cybernetics, without having to perform cyber-necromancy. Skydivers should wear whatever kind of helmet would preserve a human brain from atmospheric reentry! And they just left it on Alchera! Wonder what they did to preserve the brain once the helmet came of!? 
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 14, 2020 16:29:37 GMT
Yeah, I think it’s fair to say that Jenkins would have been in a more recoverable state than whatever Shepard would be at that point. Long term exposure to the vacuum of space, then subsequent exposure to a harsh alien atmosphere comprised of methane and ammonia should seal the deal. ME3 kind of backtracks on this though, saying that the helmet preserved the brain enough to bring back. All this complicated nonsense just makes me wish for a simple, believable coma. Extensive injuries can still account for the cybernetics, without having to perform cyber-necromancy. Skydivers should wear whatever kind of helmet would preserve a human brain from atmospheric reentry! And they just left it on Alchera! Wonder what they did to preserve the brain once the helmet came of!? “Maybe we shouldn’t take the helmet off until Shepard’s secured in the lab.” ”And deny whoever comes to investigate this place a valuable collectible item? As if!”
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Post by Iakus on Oct 14, 2020 16:35:15 GMT
Skydivers should wear whatever kind of helmet would preserve a human brain from atmospheric reentry! And they just left it on Alchera! Wonder what they did to preserve the brain once the helmet came of!? “Maybe we shouldn’t take the helmet off until Shepard’s secured in the lab.” ”And deny whoever comes to investigate this place a valuable collectible item? As if!” Honestly, the more I think about it the more I think Ryder's helmet breaking in MEA was Bioware trolling players who complained about Shepard's condition on Alchera.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 14, 2020 17:32:26 GMT
Skydivers should wear whatever kind of helmet would preserve a human brain from atmospheric reentry! And they just left it on Alchera! Wonder what they did to preserve the brain once the helmet came of!? “Maybe we shouldn’t take the helmet off until Shepard’s secured in the lab.” ”And deny whoever comes to investigate this place a valuable collectible item? As if!” There wring on this really sucks, always has. But, I can envision a medical shuttle showing up with some kind of suspended animation pod, and transferring him from armor to pod immediately on site.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 14, 2020 17:40:57 GMT
“Maybe we shouldn’t take the helmet off until Shepard’s secured in the lab.” ”And deny whoever comes to investigate this place a valuable collectible item? As if!” There wring on this really sucks, always has. But, I can envision a medical shuttle showing up with some kind of suspended animation pod, and transferring him from armor to pod immediately on site. I believe that according to the comics, the body was picked up by Blue Sun mercs that were interested in retrieving his body for the Shadow Broker.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 14, 2020 17:53:37 GMT
There wring on this really sucks, always has. But, I can envision a medical shuttle showing up with some kind of suspended animation pod, and transferring him from armor to pod immediately on site. I believe that according to the comics, the body was picked up by Blue Sun mercs that were interested in retrieving his body for the Shadow Broker. Could be, though mercs could have medical teams as well who did the same thing. I do my best to ignore the comics and books, they do the impressive task of actually having worse writing than the games.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 14, 2020 18:43:57 GMT
You are the one inserting her peeling it off of his body. She has it that is all we know. And it would be a valid assumption after what Taylor says, hearing t'soni say she gave your body to Cerberus, and finally seeing the armor in her apartment. So you would do the same as what t'soni did even for someone you have known for a very short time? In regards to t'soni saying Hackett gave her the dogtags, if not romanced, I would be curious why Hackett would give then to t'soni and not to Shepard's mother, for those that play as a spacer. That makes no sense. The other part t'soni says is he gave them to her to give to Shepard. What guarantee did he have Shepard would see t'soni? When did he find out that Shepard was alive to have given the asari the dogtags? What I would have done is have Hackett give the dogtags to Anderson to give to Shepard when Shepard sees him, at least for the one's who didn't choose the spacer background. Here's the video of her saying the above The biggest issue I have is Shepard not able to ask about that stuff in the dlc. My guess is Bioware didn't want Shepard and the asari to have any friction between them. I would be curious if instead of t'soni in the dlc, would you have a problem if another character, say Jacob Taylor, did exactly the same as what t'soni did, would you be ok with that? For me, it wouldn't matter which character did what t'soni did. If I'm in a relationship with the character, I would end right there, and would want nothing more to do with them.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 14, 2020 19:38:49 GMT
Here's what aoibhealfae has to say about Liara. It's a post from this thread Player's agency is the key here. Every other character except her are optional, with or without romance state. There's multitude of path and interactions that you take that was carried through. But Liara is ALWAYS written the same in all four games. The ONLY difference for her is romance state but even this was heavily implied by Bioware that she is the default preferential romance.
A lot of her characterization required a LOT of acceptance over her various behaviors and inconsistencies, instead of addressing each of them appropriately, they just pile on everything making her a multitasking genius archeologist superbiotic crime lord asari etc. I play Shepard as a woman who have no time to care about her because the galaxy need saving and there are more worrying things to do than giving attention to a childish alien and her excessive overly-attached crush.
When she display pathological behaviors; cyber stalking, collecting trophies from your corpse, emotional bribery; as a player, we should have the option to say no to her rather than encourage her further. But Bioware are content with adding on every plot devices they could think off for that behaviors because she is the magical stagnant character that the fandom accept without questions. This preferential treatment for her alienate EVERY other characters in the game as if their presence was meaningless compared to Liara fans.
And not every one of us like her and yet we're all being constantly reminded of this every single time we play the games. Through animations, through the stories. If you put off Therum until at the end of the game, EVERYONE telling you into to get her even when she's fairly useless without the Cipher and Virmire's beacon in combination. There's really no need for her to mind meld more than once. She is the default character in most of the DLCs; Lair of the Shadow Broker, From Ashes, Citadel DLC (especially if you don't romance other ME3's squadmate). You go to Andromeda and you can't even escape her finding some ways to leave a mark on Ryder's family. Things like these doesn't make her more endearing, we're sick of Liara T'Soni. True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 |
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Post by Iakus on Oct 14, 2020 19:41:40 GMT
Here's what aoibhealfae has to say about Liara. It's a post from this thread Player's agency is the key here. Every other character except her are optional, with or without romance state. There's multitude of path and interactions that you take that was carried through. But Liara is ALWAYS written the same in all four games. The ONLY difference for her is romance state but even this was heavily implied by Bioware that she is the default preferential romance.
A lot of her characterization required a LOT of acceptance over her various behaviors and inconsistencies, instead of addressing each of them appropriately, they just pile on everything making her a multitasking genius archeologist superbiotic crime lord asari etc. I play Shepard as a woman who have no time to care about her because the galaxy need saving and there are more worrying things to do than giving attention to a childish alien and her excessive overly-attached crush.
When she display pathological behaviors; cyber stalking, collecting trophies from your corpse, emotional bribery; as a player, we should have the option to say no to her rather than encourage her further. But Bioware are content with adding on every plot devices they could think off for that behaviors because she is the magical stagnant character that the fandom accept without questions. This preferential treatment for her alienate EVERY other characters in the game as if their presence was meaningless compared to Liara fans.
And not every one of us like her and yet we're all being constantly reminded of this every single time we play the games. Through animations, through the stories. If you put off Therum until at the end of the game, EVERYONE telling you into to get her even when she's fairly useless without the Cipher and Virmire's beacon in combination. There's really no need for her to mind meld more than once. She is the default character in most of the DLCs; Lair of the Shadow Broker, From Ashes, Citadel DLC (especially if you don't romance other ME3's squadmate). You go to Andromeda and you can't even escape her finding some ways to leave a mark on Ryder's family. Things like these doesn't make her more endearing, we're sick of Liara T'Soni. True dat! I wouldn't be surprised if Bio tried to worm in Liara into MEA2 as a squad member and LI, if it is ever made.... 😒 I'd be fine with that as long as they did the same for the VS
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