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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 20:38:52 GMT
I’m kind of surprised that ME3 is the one called out on this one, since I found that NPC’s probably had the most to say in that game’s expansions than in the other 2 games, that is to say, they didn’t say anything at all. Heck, I’d rather that investment go toward having my companions comment during Bring Down the Sky, and have the third companion actually say something in Lair of the Shadow Broker, particularly Garrus if you take him with you. Instead of the 2nd squadmate making a comment, I would give Shepard the opportunity to ask t'soni why she failed to make any attempt to inform anyone Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus and why she has Shepard's armor on display like it's some kind of prize/trophy? I would also add a couple other questions as well. Along with questioning Liara's twisted obsession with Shepard.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 12, 2020 21:23:49 GMT
Instead of the 2nd squadmate making a comment, I would give Shepard the opportunity to ask t'soni why she failed to make any attempt to inform anyone Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus and why she has Shepard's armor on display like it's some kind of prize/trophy? I would also add a couple other questions as well. Along with questioning Liara's twisted obsession with Shepard. Liara might to see a shrink....People with obsessions often have underlining mental issues. Stalking and obsession are symptoms of many possible mental illnesses and disorders. My name of Phantom is due to my love-hate relationship to Cerberus Phantom and dangerous they are if I don't pay them attention within ME3(both SP and MP) and I do love attractive women with swords that can kick my ass.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 21:26:29 GMT
Along with questioning Liara's twisted obsession with Shepard. Liara might to see a shrink....People with obsessions often have underlining mental issues. Stalking and obsession are symptoms of many possible mental illnesses and disorders. My name of Phantom is due to my love-hate relationship to Cerberus Phantom and dangerous they are if I don't pay them attention within ME3(both SP and MP) and I do love attractive women with swords that can kick my ass. You should see some of my female Dragonborn characters.... 😍
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Post by Phantom on Oct 12, 2020 21:41:58 GMT
Liara might to see a shrink....People with obsessions often have underlining mental issues. Stalking and obsession are symptoms of many possible mental illnesses and disorders. My name of Phantom is due to my love-hate relationship to Cerberus Phantom and dangerous they are if I don't pay them attention within ME3(both SP and MP) and I do love attractive women with swords that can kick my ass. You should see some of my female Dragonborn characters.... 😍 Cadian, I will take your word for it. For i know you have good taste. On Topic, IF there was a proper remake or con-current MET games, I would love to see Detail rivalry between Batarians vs System Alliance, I mean good bad and ugly aspects between them and possiblity of Batarian asking Citadel punish the System Alliance due to they were infridging on their terrority due to they need the resources within the systems that System Alliance took during the war between both of them. Think of a Grey vs Grey Morality debate. With a Human and a Batarian putting everything within context for the player character.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 21:45:22 GMT
You should see some of my female Dragonborn characters.... 😍 Cadian, I will take your word for it. For i know you have good taste. On Topic, IF there was a proper remake or con-current MET games, I would love to see Detail rivalry between Batarians vs System Alliance, I mean good bad and ugly aspects between them and possiblity of Batarian asking Citadel punish the System Alliance due to they were infridging on their terrority due to they need the resources within the systems that System Alliance took during the war between both of them. Think of a Grey vs Grey Morality debate. With a Human and a Batarian putting everything within context for the player character. Along with a more morality grey Cerberus. Because let's face it, having the Alliance and the Council as the Saints of the ME universe is dull and boring.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 12, 2020 21:46:28 GMT
Instead of the 2nd squadmate making a comment, I would give Shepard the opportunity to ask t'soni why she failed to make any attempt to inform anyone Shepard's body in the hands of Cerberus and why she has Shepard's armor on display like it's some kind of prize/trophy? I would also add a couple other questions as well. Along with questioning Liara's twisted obsession with Shepard. I usually think of it as more its weird how little anyone else cared that you died. Like no one except her tried to recover my body. Jesus I know I play renegade for the most part but damn everyone else just dropped you like you were nothing.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 21:49:12 GMT
Along with questioning Liara's twisted obsession with Shepard. I usually think of it as more its weird how little anyone else cared that you died. Like no one except her tried to recover my body. Jesus I know I play renegade for the most part but damn everyone else just dropped you like you were nothing. That should have been something that Shepard brings with the VS when they're giving Shepard the finger.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2020 21:53:15 GMT
Shepard: No one cares that I died.
Liara: I care.
Shepard: Fuck you no one asked what you think!
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Post by ahglock on Oct 12, 2020 21:55:06 GMT
Shepard: No one cares that I died. Liara: I care. Shepard: Fuck you no one asked what you think! I actually like Liara, but that was funny.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 21:55:24 GMT
Shepard: No one cares that I died. Liara: I care. Shepard: Fuck you no one asked what you think! 👆 I second this. 👍
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Post by Phantom on Oct 12, 2020 22:07:28 GMT
as for Shepard's death, Having characters being attached to Shepard and tried to help out to recover his body is perfectly alright conversely recovering armor from the corpse of someone that you care for is a tell tell sign of a possible mental illness. True everyone copes differently when someone they care about dies but Liara has either aspergers or really poor coping skills with Shepard's death.
As for Cerberus, a darker shade of Grey with a reasonable size(but not the size of ME3 Cerberus) would be nice. I might post later if people are interested for new bad guy factions to fight against.
Side note: I would love a three way headbutting contest between Kai Leng, a Batarian Commando and an Asari and a Player character to stop them from making a hole in the ship.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 22:10:00 GMT
as for Shepard's death, Having characters being attached to Shepard and tried to help out to recover his body is perfectly alright conversely recovering armor from the corpse of someone that you care for is a tell tell sign of a possible mental illness. True everyone copes differently when someone they care about dies but Liara has either aspergers or really poor coping skills with Shepard's death. 👆This.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 12, 2020 22:20:14 GMT
Along with questioning Liara's twisted obsession with Shepard. I usually think of it as more its weird how little anyone else cared that you died. Like no one except her tried to recover my body. Jesus I know I play renegade for the most part but damn everyone else just dropped you like you were nothing. If t'soni cared, she would have informed someone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She even says was I suppose to let my friend die when there was something that can be done, when asked why by Shepard for giving the body to Cerberus? If Shepard wants to throw her whiny a** in a volcano, in ME1, I doubt Shepard wants to be friends. And if someone said that to me, I would not call that person a friend and avoid them if possible. Not informing anyone about Shepard's body is not being a friend, it's more what is her agenda. Look at her stealing the armor from Shepard's body. Placing Shepard's dna in parts of her apartment. Caring went out the window the moment she choose to do, or not do, those things. If it wasn't for help from Feron and Cerberus, would t'soni have been able to hand Shepard's body to Cerberus? If the trilogy is to be remade, hopefully Bioware doesn't have Shepard die at the beginning of ME2. Not only would it get rid of the hocus-pocus crap of bringing Shepard back, but gets rid of the stuff in the broker dlc as well.
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Post by Phantom on Oct 12, 2020 22:23:55 GMT
I usually think of it as more its weird how little anyone else cared that you died. Like no one except her tried to recover my body. Jesus I know I play renegade for the most part but damn everyone else just dropped you like you were nothing. If t'soni cared, she would have informed someone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She even says was I suppose to let my friend die when there was something that can be done, when asked why by Shepard for giving the body to Cerberus? If Shepard wants to throw her whiny a** in a volcano, in ME1, I doubt Shepard wants to be friends. And if someone said that to me, I would not call that person a friend and avoid them if possible. Not informing anyone about Shepard's body is not being a friend, it's more what is her agenda. Look at her stealing the armor from Shepard's body. Placing Shepard's dna in parts of her apartment. Caring went out the window the moment she choose to do, or not do, those things. If it wasn't for help from Feron and Cerberus, would t'soni have been able to hand Shepard's body to Cerberus? If the trilogy is to be remade, hopefully Bioware doesn't have Shepard die at the beginning of ME2. Not only would it get rid of the hocus-pocus crap of bringing Shepard back, but gets rid of the stuff in the broker dlc as well. That is why I do suspect that Liara might have a form of Aspergers. Also Liara is not social adept like Normal Asari adult. Her odd behavior is atypical for her species and norms of many species. Also As for Cerberus, a darker shade of Grey with a reasonable size(but not the size of ME3 Cerberus) would be nice. I might post later if people are interested for new bad guy factions to fight against. Side note: I would love a three way headbutting contest between Kai Leng, a Batarian Commando and an Asari and a Player character to stop them from making a hole in the ship.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 12, 2020 22:26:19 GMT
Shepard: No one cares that I died. Liara: I care. Shepard: Fuck you no one asked what you think! Shepard: About that. Remember when I was going to throw your whiny a** back in the volcano t'soni: I do. Shepard: Does this place look familiar? t'soni: Shepard!!You wouldn't? Shepard: I would, but the honor goes to my friend, Javik the Great Javik: So long asari t'soni: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH Javik: You would have made a great prothean Commander.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 22:29:44 GMT
I usually think of it as more its weird how little anyone else cared that you died. Like no one except her tried to recover my body. Jesus I know I play renegade for the most part but damn everyone else just dropped you like you were nothing. If t'soni cared, she would have informed someone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She even says was I suppose to let my friend die when there was something that can be done, when asked why by Shepard for giving the body to Cerberus? If Shepard wants to throw her whiny a** in a volcano, in ME1, I doubt Shepard wants to be friends. And if someone said that to me, I would not call that person a friend and avoid them if possible. Not informing anyone about Shepard's body is not being a friend, it's more what is her agenda. Look at her stealing the armor from Shepard's body. Placing Shepard's dna in parts of her apartment. Caring went out the window the moment she choose to do, or not do, those things. If it wasn't for help from Feron and Cerberus, would t'soni have been able to hand Shepard's body to Cerberus? If the trilogy is to be remade, hopefully Bioware doesn't have Shepard die at the beginning of ME2. Not only would it get rid of the hocus-pocus crap of bringing Shepard back, but gets rid of the stuff in the broker dlc as well. Along with tracking friendships or disliking someone in said remake. Because the forced friend zone in the MET was annoying.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 22:33:47 GMT
Shepard: No one cares that I died. Liara: I care. Shepard: Fuck you no one asked what you think! Shepard: About that. Remember when I was going to throw your whiny a** back in the volcano t'soni: I do. Shepard: Does this place look familiar? t'soni: Shepard!!You wouldn't? Shepard: I would, but the honor goes to my friend, Javik the Great Javik: So long asari t'soni: AHHHHHHHHHHHHH Javik: You would have made a great prothean Commander. GO JAVIK! 😈🤣😈
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2020 23:12:04 GMT
I usually think of it as more its weird how little anyone else cared that you died. Like no one except her tried to recover my body. Jesus I know I play renegade for the most part but damn everyone else just dropped you like you were nothing. If t'soni cared, she would have informed someone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She even says was I suppose to let my friend die when there was something that can be done, when asked why by Shepard for giving the body to Cerberus? If Shepard wants to throw her whiny a** in a volcano, in ME1, I doubt Shepard wants to be friends. And if someone said that to me, I would not call that person a friend and avoid them if possible. Not informing anyone about Shepard's body is not being a friend, it's more what is her agenda. Look at her stealing the armor from Shepard's body. Placing Shepard's dna in parts of her apartment. Caring went out the window the moment she choose to do, or not do, those things. If it wasn't for help from Feron and Cerberus, would t'soni have been able to hand Shepard's body to Cerberus? If the trilogy is to be remade, hopefully Bioware doesn't have Shepard die at the beginning of ME2. Not only would it get rid of the hocus-pocus crap of bringing Shepard back, but gets rid of the stuff in the broker dlc as well. Who would that someone be? The Alliance? Garrus? Ashley/Kaidan? Wrex? Anyone else who would even care were resigned enough to just write Shepard off as space debris or a frozen briquette on Alchera, not worth any attempt to retrieve. Their knowledge of where the body is at that point wouldn’t really be helpful anyway, especially if the goal is to get someone to bring Shepard back to life. Considering how few character checks carried over to ME2 outside of the actual romance decisions, it would make sense that the volcano line wouldn’t make it through. Fair bet most people don’t even remember that line exists. As one who makes no secret of my dislike of the Lazarus Project, I too would love to get it out of the trilogy. Of course, for much of the Cerberus story beats to function, dying would need to just be replaced with a long coma. As it is, Shepard’s forced alliance with Cerberus barely held together with its hamstrung dialogue choices. There’d be no way to sensibly write Shepard to actively quit their Alliance career to join an enemy faction of their own free will if they managed to make it out of the attack on the SR1. Likely, actual death would just be replaced by presumed death, and a lot of other story beats would be unchanged, particularly the retrieval of a comatose Shepard instead of a dead one. We probably wouldn’t get the armor in Liara’s apartment, but that’s debatable. It might still be there, just in better condition (meaning Legion would likely not have his signature piece either), and some other tweaks around the Shadow Broker motivations might happen. Maybe playing up his deal with the Collectors, possibly even tying him in a bit closer with the deals the Collectors make for samples as well as the colony attacks could be a thing. I don’t think the change would really be that substantial, since not even Project Lazarus in and of itself is that impactful to the rest of the story.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 23:18:10 GMT
If t'soni cared, she would have informed someone that Shepard's body was in the hands of Cerberus. She even says was I suppose to let my friend die when there was something that can be done, when asked why by Shepard for giving the body to Cerberus? If Shepard wants to throw her whiny a** in a volcano, in ME1, I doubt Shepard wants to be friends. And if someone said that to me, I would not call that person a friend and avoid them if possible. Not informing anyone about Shepard's body is not being a friend, it's more what is her agenda. Look at her stealing the armor from Shepard's body. Placing Shepard's dna in parts of her apartment. Caring went out the window the moment she choose to do, or not do, those things. If it wasn't for help from Feron and Cerberus, would t'soni have been able to hand Shepard's body to Cerberus? If the trilogy is to be remade, hopefully Bioware doesn't have Shepard die at the beginning of ME2. Not only would it get rid of the hocus-pocus crap of bringing Shepard back, but gets rid of the stuff in the broker dlc as well. Who would that someone be? The Alliance? Garrus? Ashley/Kaidan? Wrex? Anyone else who would even care were resigned enough to just write Shepard off as space debris or a frozen briquette on Alchera, not worth any attempt to retrieve. Their knowledge of where the body is at that point wouldn’t really be helpful anyway, especially if the goal is to get someone to bring Shepard back to life. Considering how few character checks carried over to ME2 outside of the actual romance decisions, it would make sense that the volcano line wouldn’t make it through. Fair bet most people don’t even remember that line exists. As one who makes no secret of my dislike of the Lazarus Project, I too would love to get it out of the trilogy. Of course, for much of the Cerberus story beats to function, dying would need to just be replaced with a long coma. As it is, Shepard’s forced alliance with Cerberus barely held together with its hamstrung dialogue choices. There’d be no way to sensibly write Shepard to actively quit their Alliance career to join an enemy faction of their own free will. Likely, actual death would just be replaced by presumed death, and a lot of other story beats would be unchanged, particularly the retrieval of a comatose Shepard instead of a dead one. We probably wouldn’t get the armor in Liara’s apartment, but that’s debatable. It might still be there, just in better condition (meaning Legion would likely not have his signature piece either), and some other tweaks around the Shadow Broker motivations might happen. I don’t think the change would really be that substantial, since not even Project Lazarus is all that huge in terms of its impact on a lot of the story. That'll depend if the Alliance grounded Shepard and smeared their names into the dirt by going with the Council's decision of burying what Shepard said regarding the Reapers. Resentment and anger are strong motivaters in working with your enemies.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2020 23:24:25 GMT
Who would that someone be? The Alliance? Garrus? Ashley/Kaidan? Wrex? Anyone else who would even care were resigned enough to just write Shepard off as space debris or a frozen briquette on Alchera, not worth any attempt to retrieve. Their knowledge of where the body is at that point wouldn’t really be helpful anyway, especially if the goal is to get someone to bring Shepard back to life. Considering how few character checks carried over to ME2 outside of the actual romance decisions, it would make sense that the volcano line wouldn’t make it through. Fair bet most people don’t even remember that line exists. As one who makes no secret of my dislike of the Lazarus Project, I too would love to get it out of the trilogy. Of course, for much of the Cerberus story beats to function, dying would need to just be replaced with a long coma. As it is, Shepard’s forced alliance with Cerberus barely held together with its hamstrung dialogue choices. There’d be no way to sensibly write Shepard to actively quit their Alliance career to join an enemy faction of their own free will. Likely, actual death would just be replaced by presumed death, and a lot of other story beats would be unchanged, particularly the retrieval of a comatose Shepard instead of a dead one. We probably wouldn’t get the armor in Liara’s apartment, but that’s debatable. It might still be there, just in better condition (meaning Legion would likely not have his signature piece either), and some other tweaks around the Shadow Broker motivations might happen. I don’t think the change would really be that substantial, since not even Project Lazarus is all that huge in terms of its impact on a lot of the story. That'll depend if the Alliance grounded Shepard and smeared their names into the dirt by going with the Council's decision of burying what Shepard said regarding the Reapers. Resentment and anger are strong motivaters in working with your enemies. This really only works with a prolonged absence. If the SR1 is destroyed, but Shepard manages to drag Joker’s crippled ass and get out of there, the Alliance doesn’t reasonably have a motive to just help them bury Shepard or their claims as well as the claims of the rest of the surviving Normandy crew. In the exchanges we do have with the Council, much of their animus is based on Shepard’s association with Cerberus. Without that, other than BioWare deciding to conjure up some Instant Asshole, I’m not seeing a good reason for the Alliance to betray them. I think it would run the risk of actually being worse than what we got. I thought it was bad enough that the game did everything it could to make Cerberus the only game in town, from the Council deciding to be full on bureaucratic cunts to the Alliance being too-poor-to-live. If Shepard just decides to work with a faction they’ve known only as some rando enemy with which their only experience is capturing weird monsters and murdering an Admiral, I think I’d be checked out of the story. The alternative then would be a totally different “faction”, posing as something independent that offers answers. Perhaps then later it would be revealed to be Cerberus, like some sort of last minute twist. Miranda could be that charming NPC that sort of gets us to investigate further, and with no previous associations, we can be suspicious but not have our viewpoint colored by any established history. Personally I find the idea of it not being Cerberus up front would be much more appealing.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 23:33:26 GMT
That'll depend if the Alliance grounded Shepard and smeared their names into the dirt by going with the Council's decision of burying what Shepard said regarding the Reapers. Resentment and anger are strong motivaters in working with your enemies. This really only works with a prolonged absence. If the SR1 is destroyed, but Shepard manages to drag Joker’s crippled ass and get out of there, the Alliance doesn’t reasonably have a motive to just help them bury Shepard or their claims as well as the claims of the rest of the surviving Normandy crew. In the exchanges we do have with the Council, much of their animus is based on Shepard’s association with Cerberus. Without that, other than BioWare deciding to conjure up some Instant Asshole, I’m not seeing a good reason for the Alliance to betray them. I think it would run the risk of actually being worse than what we got. I thought it was bad enough that the game did everything it could to make Cerberus the only game in town, from the Council deciding to be full on bureaucratic cunts to the Alliance being too-poor-to-live. If Shepard just decides to work with a faction they’ve known only as some rando enemy with which their only experience is capturing weird monsters and murdering an Admiral, I think I’d be checked out of the story. The alternative then would be a totally different “faction”, posing as something independent that offers answers. Perhaps then later it would be revealed to be Cerberus, like some sort of last minute twist. Maybe make Cerberus not to become a copy of Hydra/Cobra, but a faction that's more grey then what we've seen in ME1.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2020 23:36:17 GMT
This really only works with a prolonged absence. If the SR1 is destroyed, but Shepard manages to drag Joker’s crippled ass and get out of there, the Alliance doesn’t reasonably have a motive to just help them bury Shepard or their claims as well as the claims of the rest of the surviving Normandy crew. In the exchanges we do have with the Council, much of their animus is based on Shepard’s association with Cerberus. Without that, other than BioWare deciding to conjure up some Instant Asshole, I’m not seeing a good reason for the Alliance to betray them. I think it would run the risk of actually being worse than what we got. I thought it was bad enough that the game did everything it could to make Cerberus the only game in town, from the Council deciding to be full on bureaucratic cunts to the Alliance being too-poor-to-live. If Shepard just decides to work with a faction they’ve known only as some rando enemy with which their only experience is capturing weird monsters and murdering an Admiral, I think I’d be checked out of the story. The alternative then would be a totally different “faction”, posing as something independent that offers answers. Perhaps then later it would be revealed to be Cerberus, like some sort of last minute twist. Maybe make Cerberus not to become a copy of Hydra/Cobra, but a faction that's more grey then what we've seen in ME1. Honestly, if I was really able to just change whatever I wanted, I would have made this version of Cerberus an actual good faction. All this mad science shit wouldn’t be a thing anymore. Like, Project Overlord wouldn’t be a Cerberus operation, but maybe something started by some sort of joint effort between, I dunno, ExoGeni and some other major corporation. Maybe Cerberus could be more like the IMF, and Shepard would be our Ethan Hunt. Maybe Cerberus IS the Alliance, and while the Alliance officially pays lipservice to the Council, backhandedly gives Shepard what they need.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 12, 2020 23:45:43 GMT
Maybe make Cerberus not to become a copy of Hydra/Cobra, but a faction that's more grey then what we've seen in ME1. Honestly, if I was really able to just change whatever I wanted, I would have made this version of Cerberus an actual good faction. All this mad science shit wouldn’t be a thing anymore. Like, Project Overlord wouldn’t be a Cerberus operation, but maybe something started by some sort of joint effort between, I dunno, ExoGeni and some other major corporation. Maybe Cerberus could be more like the IMF, and Shepard would be our Ethan Hunt. Personally, I'd have given the players a choice of whom to side with come ME3. With each side having their upsides and downsides when the game ends.
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Post by KaiserShep on Oct 12, 2020 23:58:22 GMT
Honestly, if I was really able to just change whatever I wanted, I would have made this version of Cerberus an actual good faction. All this mad science shit wouldn’t be a thing anymore. Like, Project Overlord wouldn’t be a Cerberus operation, but maybe something started by some sort of joint effort between, I dunno, ExoGeni and some other major corporation. Maybe Cerberus could be more like the IMF, and Shepard would be our Ethan Hunt. Personally, I'd have given the players a choice of whom to side with come ME3. With each side having their upsides and downsides when the game ends. Faction choices are problematic, because that would require a lot of mutually exclusive content, from companions, to missions and even the ship itself (unless we actually own it ourselves). I don’t see BioWare ever being able to pull off faction choice in a satisfactory way.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Oct 13, 2020 0:01:02 GMT
Personally, I'd have given the players a choice of whom to side with come ME3. With each side having their upsides and downsides when the game ends. Faction choices are problematic, because that would require a lot of mutually exclusive content, from companions, to missions and even the ship itself (unless we actually own it ourselves). I don’t see BioWare ever being able to pull off faction choice in a satisfactory way. I think I may have been spoiled by New Vegas's way of doing things.
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