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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2020 11:46:10 GMT
Whilst posting on another thread about Corypheus' loss of faith at the end of DAI, I started thinking again about the words of his servant. Then doing a bit of searching on the net about the Claw of Dumat I found that other people had already made a connection between the object we see in the Fade and those we find in the Primeval Thaig in DA2, plus some smaller ones in other places we visit in the Deep Roads. So was this object elven in origin?
We know that the Evanuris, particularly Mythal and Fen'Harel but also Ghilan'nain, so may be all of them, were active in the Deep Roads. So it is hardly surprising if we find elven artefacts there. What seems more interesting is that Corypheus was using the Claw for a specific ritual that would give him access not just to the Fade but the Golden City. How did he know that? Presumably the voice in his head but may be he found some other tangible reference, like murals or something wherever he got the Claw from, which actually begs the question, where did he find it?
Corypheus also tells his servant that he knows about the connection between the ancient elves and the Fade and the fact that their blood is different as a result. Now it is possible he already knew this from the numerous blood magic rituals that he had undertaken in the past, which showed the elves blood to be more potent. However, the link between the elves and the Fade is clearly something he seemed to have learned more recently, possibly at the same time as he uncovered the Claw or may be something in the Archives of Tevinter mentioned the fact. May be the Claw was held somewhere in storage having been found in ruins somewhere and he had only recently discovered its purpose.
Anyway, it hadn't occurred to me before but clearly he was taking a great deal of interest in things elven before he went to the Black City, so it wasn't an obsession he acquired only after being freed by Hawke. However, I also realised that he said he was taking the name Corypheus only after he had undertaken the ritual and entered the City, although he asked his servant to start calling him that before. I thought that Corypheus was the Tevene for Conductor, which was the title of the High Priest of Dumat according to Hessarian in the Canticle of Silence. However, on checking my Latin dictionary, Coryphaeus means Leader in Latin, just as Evanuris means leaders in Elven and is the collective term by which Solas refers to the false gods. So it would seem that he was going to take a title that equated with Leader only after completing the ritual that would take him to the throne of the gods, using the blood of elves and an ancient artefact likely associated with them.
So what was the original purpose of the Claw(s) of Dumat? It couldn't have been to enter the Fade physically as anyone could do that before the Veil if they didn't mind shedding their form whilst they did so and may be you didn't have to do that if you weren't going very far in. So it must have had something to do with the Eternal City specifically. The Anchor seemed capable of both opening and closing the Veil, so did the Claw have a similar purpose specific to the Eternal City? If Corypheus used one to unlock a gate into the city, were they collectively originally used to lock the 7 gates into it?
So whilst we know the Idol is going to feature in the next part of the story, might the Claw also feature? It is rather disconcerting that both items seem to require large amounts of blood, likely specifically elven blood in order to function for Fade entry but it only needs to be modern elven blood not ancient. Could that be why Solas is gathering so many modern elves to him?
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Jul 28, 2020 14:40:35 GMT
It’s significant that they’re mostly found in the Deep Roads, and I certainly think it’s ancient Elvhen magic. Notice how they dig into the ground? Andruil’s mosaic depicts her pointing an arrow downward into the Earth, as if about to shoot. Seeing as they are used for sacfrifices, my guess is that they were weapons used by her to sacrifice elves for... some reason? Not to mention we learn that the Stone actually *feels*, so it may have been a way to gain magical energy from the Titan’s emotion? Maybe the Titans feels the pain and death of the sacrifices, and The Claw of Dumat harnesses that energy. Titans blood is abundant, if it’s emotion can also be harnessed into magical energy, then I don’t see why that couldn't be exploited by the elves as well.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jul 30, 2020 15:02:34 GMT
Sad to think that the little info we get there makes Cory a far more interesting character than what we get in DAI.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 30, 2020 20:08:07 GMT
Sad to think that the little info we get there makes Cory a far more interesting character than what we get in DAI. It is frustrating that we get snippets of information in the Fade and in his own memories in the Temple of Dumat, that make you want to know more but we never do. I'd previously thought his interest in elven artefacts was only after his imprisonment but re-reading the memory of his servant made me realise this was not the case. Why did his servant's memory about the reduction in the faithful of the Old Gods fly in direct contradiction of everything we had previously understood about their worship. Even after the First Blight, when confidence in the Old Gods had been severely shaken by Arch-demon Dumat and the silence of the rest, it still took a blood bath by Hessarian to undermine the Altus' devotion to their worship. What I hope is that we didn't get more from Corypheus because they were saving it up for when we get to Tevinter. I'd certainly like to know why the Claw was specifically needed to gain entrance to the Black City. Previously we understood it was just a huge amount of lyrium and a monstrous blood sacrifice but I think that only opened up the Veil; it was the Claw that determined their actual destination when they got into the Fade.
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Post by telanadas on Aug 1, 2020 10:31:12 GMT
What I hope is that we didn't get more from Corypheus because they were saving it up for when we get to Tevinter. I'd certainly like to know why the Claw was specifically needed to gain entrance to the Black City. Previously we understood it was just a huge amount of lyrium and a monstrous blood sacrifice but I think that only opened up the Veil; it was the Claw that determined their actual destination when they got into the Fade. I totally agree..Corypheus' backstory and motives is really interesting to me and it makes me sad that most people's initial reaction of him is that he's a lazy, one dimensional villain. I am hoping they elaborate more on his backstory/plans in the next game though, especially since the Venatori are still in the picture. Anyway, maybe the claws of dumat are like trail markers, sorta like the ones we saw in Jaws of Hakkon. So they effectively brute forced their way into the city using blood magic.
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