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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 25, 2024 17:07:12 GMT
While it wouldn't be something everyone (and possibly the majority) wanted, I'd have personally liked Hawke as the Inquisitor in DAI, given the connection with Corypheus, and setting up a trilogy ending with this game. Man, I'm still salty AF over not getting a Hawke trilogy because DA2 was poorly received and some people were unhappy about a voiced protagonist on top of it. Hawke for me is the best protagonist the series had. BioWare has been downhill ever since. I had zero emotional connection to my inky. Such a doormat with school teacher line deliveries. And then Ryder was even more milk toast. Both were kind of doing what others told them. Inky did what the advisors said and Ryder did what SAM in his head said. Hawke was DA's Shepard and I mourn a Hawke trilogy to this day. Sigh... I can only hope that Rook is more like Hawke than inky, somebody actually charming and confident and cool. The main reason I was way more invested in Mass Effect than DA was one protagonist with reoccurring companions and other noteworthy characters. It made the whole thing such an amazing journey. DA has always been a bit of a disjointed mess. You don't get such character growth with companions that always change, same foe the protagonist. I know plenty of people like DA better than ME for the fantasy setting but I don't. I like DA a lot but I'm not forever in love with it like the ME trilogy. It also doesn't help that I have to worry if DA will ever get a satisfying ending. I know the ME3 ending drama happened. So some would say BioWare doesn't have a good track record for ending their epic tales. But I loved the game, I loved the catalyst. I just thought the endings were cheap and lame color codes ripped straight out of Deus Ex Human Revolution, another disappointing ending. It was just rushed and lazy. But I didn't mind the message.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 25, 2024 17:09:34 GMT
Davrin is the only character where I'd question the reasoning behind his recruitment, but we truly don't know how expert and seasoned he is as Warden...and I think part of the reason why he gets recruited is about being one. There has been speculation about the Warden faction being somehow unique or more important then the others, which could be corroborated by what we know of Act 1 as well as some dialogue in the launch trailer. Which I'd find it a bit ironic, as they'd make the 'Warden' Rook the more fitting among the other factions, mimicking in a way Origins. Dont quote me on this but I heard someone say Davrin is just a warden recruit. Like, not even a full warden yet.... I know about that. Putting aside what Envisionary mentioned, it seems a bit weird because his bio doesn't indicate that he's a novice. I guess it's possible that he was a monster hunter before he joins the Warden right before the start of the game (which however would make him, at least, an expert warrior), I also find strange that the Wardens would put one of the last remaining, recently discovered griffins in the care of a recruit. It won't be long before we'll know, though.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 25, 2024 17:11:10 GMT
If they are doing such a huge apocalyptic event that decides the fate of the entire setting, then I don't know, wouldn't that be a reason to pull out all the stops in terms of fanservice? It's just baffling that the crew we have now is the one we are going to have around to stop or fail to stop such a huge threat. Like who are these nobodies? It's the same question I've had since DAI. Why not continue with the same protagonist at this point? Why not bring back Hawke for the very specific villain in Corypheus? Why are we only dragging Varric along like a Dragon Age mascot? It makes no sense. But I guess it wouldn't do to confuse the modern audience with the very characters that made the franchise what it is. No. No. Can't have that. We don't need Cassandra, Alistair, Isabela, Leliana, Sten, or any of them really. What we need is a guy in a bar, Veil Jumpers, and Shadow Dragons. That'll do the trick! Remember ME3? it's the best place to start playing a trilogy? DAV is the best place to start playing DA
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Post by rekkampum on Oct 25, 2024 17:11:17 GMT
Davrin is the only character where I'd question the reasoning behind his recruitment, but we truly don't know how expert and seasoned he is as Warden...and I think part of the reason why he gets recruited is about being one. There has been speculation about the Warden faction being somehow unique or more important then the others, which could be corroborated by what we know of Act 1 as well as some dialogue in the launch trailer. Which I'd find it a bit ironic, as they'd make the 'Warden' Rook the more fitting among the other factions, mimicking in a way Origins. Dont quote me on this but I heard someone say Davrin is just a warden recruit. Like, not even a full warden yet.... He's established to be a Warden who became renowned as a Monster Hunter in the official description of him and even gives some tactical strategy to other Wardens during their trip as related in Vows and Vengeance, so I'd question claims that he's just a recruit, especially if unsourced.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 25, 2024 17:12:52 GMT
While it wouldn't be something everyone (and possibly the majority) wanted, I'd have personally liked Hawke as the Inquisitor in DAI, given the connection with Corypheus, and setting up a trilogy ending with this game. Man, I'm still salty AF over not getting a Hawke trilogy because DA2 was poorly received and some people were unhappy about a voiced protagonist on top of it. Hawke for me is the best protagonist the series had. BioWare has been downhill ever since. I had zero emotional connection to my inky. Such a doormat with school teacher line deliveries. And then Ryder was even more milk toast. Both were kind of doing what others told them. Inky did what the advisors said and Ryder did what SAM in his head said. Hawke was DA's Shepard and I mourn a Hawke trilogy to this day. Sigh... I can only hope that Rook is more like Hawke than inky, somebody actually charming and confident and cool. The main reason I was way more invested in Mass Effect than DA was one protagonist with reoccurring companions and other noteworthy characters. It made the whole thing such an amazing journey. DA has always been a bit of a disjointed mess. You don't get such character growth with companions that always change, same foe the protagonist. I know plenty of people like DA better than ME for the fantasy setting but I don't. I like DA a lot but I'm not forever in love with it like the ME trilogy. It also doesn't help that I have to worry if DA will ever get a satisfying ending. I know the ME3 ending drama happened. So some would say BioWare doesn't have a good track record for ending their epic tales. But I loved the game, I loved the catalyst. I just thought the endings were cheap and lame color codes ripped straight out of Deus Ex Human Revolution, another disappointing ending. It was just rushed and lazy. But I didn't mind the message. I think it's quite normal to have different preferences in regards of settings or protagonists. I like both approaches, and I still like the Inquisitor, but I think Hawke would've offered more in regards of the events around him and the people involved, both supporting and antagonistic characters. The difference in opinion on those, as well as other things like voiced protagonist or the ME3 ending, are other indications on how the fanbase have been split way before Veilguard (and truthfully, way before ME3).
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Post by themikefest on Oct 25, 2024 17:19:09 GMT
Hawke was stabbed in the back. Hawke can die in the fade or go off the Warden HQ to tell them this, that, and the other thing. I would have both survive the fade, The Warden heads off to HQ to tell them whatever while Hawke can stay at Skyhold to provide support when dealing with Cory at the end. My Inq would have given Hawke the choice to have the final blow leading to Inq sending him to the fade.
In DAV, Inq appears to be there just to be there. The first gameplay video with Varric saying the friendship crap about chuckles was exactly that, crap. I would rather have Inq be the one saying all that though my Inq never cared about the elf.
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Post by danaxe on Oct 25, 2024 17:24:44 GMT
Dont quote me on this but I heard someone say Davrin is just a warden recruit. Like, not even a full warden yet.... He's established to be a Warden who became renowned as a Monster Hunter in the official description of him and even gives some tactical strategy to other Wardens during their trip as related in Vows and Vengeance, so I'd question claims that he's just a recruit, especially if unsourced. Didnt know that, thats why i said dont quote me:P If his official bio calls him a Warden, then thats settled. Thank you!
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Post by rekkampum on Oct 25, 2024 17:29:40 GMT
He's established to be a Warden who became renowned as a Monster Hunter in the official description of him and even gives some tactical strategy to other Wardens during their trip as related in Vows and Vengeance, so I'd question claims that he's just a recruit, especially if unsourced. Didnt know that, thats why i said dont quote me:P If his official bio calls him a Warden, then thats settled. Thank you! Oh my bad lol! I wasn't trying to imply you were saying it as fact in my response, just questioning the leaker's reasoning. But yeah, I listened to a Vows and Vengeance podcast and dude apparently is really clutch when it comes down to combat strategies. I am wondering if there is any kind of rank for people with his profession among the Wardens...
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Post by grallon on Oct 25, 2024 18:08:18 GMT
I can't help but note that in all the footage released, including this last trailer, as well as the various press articles, there's no mention of Dorian anywhere. Can it be he'll be relegated to cameo appearance? Surely he won't be skipped entirely?
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As for the way the story should've ended, I would have preferred if the Inquisitor had been much more involved. This *was* supposed to be a direct continuation of Trespasser, notwithstanding Tevinter or the 10 year gap; surrounded by new people perhaps, but still in the driver seat or at least with a direct, active influence.
Oh well.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 25, 2024 18:17:37 GMT
I can't help but note that in all the footage released, including this last trailer, as well as the various press articles, there's no mention of Dorian anywhere. Can it be he'll be relegated to cameo appearance? Surely he won't be skipped entirely? ----- As for the way the story should've ended, I would have preferred if the Inquisitor had been much more involved. This *was* supposed to be a direct continuation of Trespasser, notwithstanding Tevinter or the 10 year gap; surrounded by new people perhaps, but still in the driver seat or at least with a direct, active influence. Oh well. I think the fanbase was more divided on the issue then in comparison of the other two protagonist shifts in the franchise so far, but there were still a lot of people that didn't want the Inquisitor back, at all. I always wonder what it'd have happened if DA2 had enough development time and was more well received. I know they always stated that they wanted to have on protagonist for each game, but the marketing about the 'most important person in Thedas, the ME influence and the fact that they started the push on the elven lore in DA2 makes me doubtful that they didn't plan Hawke to be a returning protagonist. I think DA2 made them wary of going for returning protagonist in DA.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 25, 2024 18:29:32 GMT
Anyone else find Claudia black’s delivery in that trailer odd. Also, definitely getting sense solas has been recast as mordin, which dims hopes that I’ll be allowed to gut him like a fish.
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Post by fraggle on Oct 25, 2024 18:29:50 GMT
I can't help but note that in all the footage released, including this last trailer, as well as the various press articles, there's no mention of Dorian anywhere. Can it be he'll be relegated to cameo appearance? Surely he won't be skipped entirely? They probably want to keep that a secret for now, so no mention of Dorian anywhere, same as the other DAI companions except Varric of course (I wonder if any romance of sorts will be mentioned since we can pick those for the Inquisitor).
There's confirmation about one certain character in Tevinter, I'll put it in spoilers Busche confirmed that Magister Maevaris Tilani will appear in Veilguard, and she and Dorian belong to the same group if I remember correctly, and that they are friends. So I imagine we'll at least hear of Dorian. Preferably see him because this guy was awesome! He was also featured in Tevinter Nights, so I'd be very surprised if he wasn't appearing in the game at all. But going to keep my expectations a bit lower for this one.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 25, 2024 18:36:26 GMT
I can't help but note that in all the footage released, including this last trailer, as well as the various press articles, there's no mention of Dorian anywhere. Can it be he'll be relegated to cameo appearance? Surely he won't be skipped entirely? ----- As for the way the story should've ended, I would have preferred if the Inquisitor had been much more involved. This *was* supposed to be a direct continuation of Trespasser, notwithstanding Tevinter or the 10 year gap; surrounded by new people perhaps, but still in the driver seat or at least with a direct, active influence. Oh well. I think the fanbase was more divided on the issue then in comparison of the other two protagonist shifts in the franchise so far, but there were still a lot of people that didn't want the Inquisitor back, at all. I always wonder what it'd have happened if DA2 had enough development time and was more well received. I know they always stated that they wanted to have on protagonist for each game, but the marketing about the 'most important person in Thedas, the ME influence and the fact that they started the push on the elven lore in DA2 makes me doubtful that they didn't plan Hawke to be a returning protagonist. I think DA2 made them wary of going for returning protagonist in DA. DA2 was made because there was no time. I think they were already thinking of Inquisition but couldn't do it at all. EA asked them a game to release quickly, so that's why there's just one town, focus on companions (less expensive than big side quest all over the world) , just human pc etc... But yeah Flemeth pops in to give some prophecy to HAwke then they stuck the result in DAI "here lies the abyss" Hawke and co were supposed to go to the temple of Mythal during the Eastwatch DA2 cancelled expansion. Varric was supposed to die at one point. One sad thing about it all is you had Merrill who sacrificed everything to have a working eluvian. And then she just poof. Briala got an Eluvian in a novel, and now Bellara aka NotMerrill is the eluvian expert. Dragon Age has the same overall story as ME. Twas all the ancient elven gods, pretty much. It's all linked but we change protag everytime and it's awkward as hell.
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Post by grallon on Oct 25, 2024 18:42:18 GMT
I think the fanbase was more divided on the issue then in comparison of the other two protagonist shifts in the franchise so far, but there were still a lot of people that didn't want the Inquisitor back, at all. I always wonder what it'd have happened if DA2 had enough development time and was more well received. I know they always stated that they wanted to have on protagonist for each game, but the marketing about the 'most important person in Thedas, the ME influence and the fact that they started the push on the elven lore in DA2 makes me doubtful that they didn't plan Hawke to be a returning protagonist. I think DA2 made them wary of going for returning protagonist in DA. I was here, I remember the raging debates about it. As for Hawke, Flemmythal also called the Inquisitor the "Harbinger of Change" which would indicate a prominent role. One might say he fulfilled that role in Inquisition but I'm not getting any closure with a little 'walk around the stage then exit' this time around. I wonder what the story was intended to be before 'Joplin' was scrapped? We'll never know. Well, perhaps Gaider knows but he's too busy running his mouth and insulting everyone there days.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 25, 2024 19:10:33 GMT
I think the fanbase was more divided on the issue then in comparison of the other two protagonist shifts in the franchise so far, but there were still a lot of people that didn't want the Inquisitor back, at all. I always wonder what it'd have happened if DA2 had enough development time and was more well received. I know they always stated that they wanted to have on protagonist for each game, but the marketing about the 'most important person in Thedas, the ME influence and the fact that they started the push on the elven lore in DA2 makes me doubtful that they didn't plan Hawke to be a returning protagonist. I think DA2 made them wary of going for returning protagonist in DA. I was here, I remember the raging debates about it. As for Hawke, Flemmythal also called the Inquisitor the "Harbinger of Change" which would indicate a prominent role. One might say he fulfilled that role in Inquisition but I'm not getting any closure with a little 'walk around the stage then exit' this time around. I wonder what the story was intended to be before 'Joplin' was scrapped? We'll never know. Well, perhaps Gaider knows but he's too busy running his mouth and insulting everyone there days. I think the change in leading between Gaider and Weekes happened with Trespasser or shortly after. Gaider went to work on Anthem for a while before leaving Bioware, so I think Weekes was in charge of Joplin in regard of the writing team. I do recall that both Epler and Weekes talked in a panel that Trespasser was meant to be an ending for the Inquisitor, which was quite debated and discussed for years, but the plan was, seemingly, always to have a new protagonist. Would've Gaider worked on a different premise? I'm not sure. I think the decision in regards of the main character, while it might involve the lead writer, is up to the project director at the time...so Laidlaw for Joplin, and I think Goldman the second iteration of the game.
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Post by fistoffiori on Oct 25, 2024 19:29:26 GMT
They probably want to keep that a secret for now Yup, they did say there's more returning characters, but just not "loads" as they wanted the appearances to be meaningful to the story, not just cameos for cameos sake.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 25, 2024 19:34:33 GMT
I can't help but note that in all the footage released, including this last trailer, as well as the various press articles, there's no mention of Dorian anywhere. Can it be he'll be relegated to cameo appearance? Surely he won't be skipped entirely? They probably want to keep that a secret for now, so no mention of Dorian anywhere, same as the other DAI companions except Varric of course (I wonder if any romance of sorts will be mentioned since we can pick those for the Inquisitor).
There's confirmation about one certain character in Tevinter, I'll put it in spoilers
Someone on Twitter a couple of weeks ago said they have been told by someone in the know Dorian was in DATV. That twitter gal or guy worked in some marketing thing for Bioware, or something close.
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