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Post by wright1978 on Oct 30, 2024 13:21:02 GMT
I've seen some screenshots about that imply that you will have to do companion quests (or other side activities) before you are able to continue with the main story (presumably the final mission?). Like '' we won't be able to face the gods with other worries weighing us down '' etc. Like I have to first go through Taash's ridiculously vain, lame and blatant gender journey mission before I can face the unbelievable threat before us? I sure would hope that isn't the case and whatever side stuff you have to do to progress isn't related to the companions, because what if I just don't like a companion enough to do their personal missions? Feels like you are being shackled to your '' found family '' if that's the case. I was hoping that was more that was more of help them sort out their issues or they may die in the final act.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 30, 2024 13:21:13 GMT
Good for you. I hope you can enjoy it. Treat it as an entirely new game rather than a continuation of the old one and you will probably find it better. That's what I said I was going to do originally but now I just can't face it. I think it would be bad for my blood pressure. Since I would have to spend money on upgrading my PC or buying a console before I could play it, that will make it easier. I remember I had the same problem around the time Andromeda came out and was sad I couldn't play it (because I was waiting to see what spec I would need for DA4 before committing myself) and then a colleague at work said I had dodged a bullet on that one. So I'm getting a definite feeling of deja vu. I will just lurk here on the boards picking up snippets of story until I have to replace my aging PC. Then if the last five hours do make up for all the rest, perhaps I will buy it then. Gervaise if you have a somewhat good internet connexion, just play on Geforce now. You'll have to buy the game and pay a monthly fee (like 20 euro for high quality graphic or something) you can cancel the thing after one month. Veilguard is free on GeForce Now if you buy 6 months. Only makes sense if playing lots of other games on it though. I wish I could just walk away from this train wreck. But I can't even not finish the trashiest horror movie, I still need to know who of the people I don't care about survives... I hate unfinished storylines. And if I'm going to subject myself to this kindergarten circus I might as well play it myself and not just watch other people. I'm going to hate play this... But I cheer for everyone who's decided this game isn't worth their time. Because I'm sure it won't be for any of us. The writing is worse than anything I could ever have imagined, and I thought after Andromeda I had a pretty good idea what to expect. How do you even take the criticism for the trans character in Andromeda and then go "we should totally be even more on the nose and have an entire companion be about nothing else". Fucking hell, how much brain rot does it take?
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Post by Biotic Commando on Oct 30, 2024 13:21:30 GMT
Regarding the problem I'm having with Taash as a character vs previously written companions: Taash's loyalty missions seem to be all about Taash and her identity and how she feels and what's important for her. It's 'me, me, me' to the extreme. When the stakes have never been higher and the world never more hostile, she can only focus on her identity and others just get in the way. Versus lets say Miranda Lawson. What was her loyalty quest about? It was about other people. Namely her sister and her controlling father. It was about making sure that Oriana was safe and happy. By focusing on that, you the player are able to see beneath the 'ice queen's' exterior. You are able to see her depth and understand that there's much more to her than being a prickly perfectionist, professional, who's almost loyal to a fault.
She didn't need to tell us that she identifies as a good sister. She showed us. The ME2 Loyalty Missions... now that's how you get it right. Samara's is one of my favorite moments in gaming
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 13:24:29 GMT
Sten would kick all the Veilguard asses. Hell he want to duel you if he feels your warden is wasting time. A prostitute from The Pearl with a broken wooden sword would wipe the floor with the entire Veilguard tbh I've a feeling they'd try to 'talk no jutsu' their way out of the confrontation entirely. And slowly but surely find a way to talk about Taash's identity and their problems and how they just can't fight her right now until they're dealt with.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 30, 2024 13:31:59 GMT
Gervaise if you have a somewhat good internet connexion, just play on Geforce now. You'll have to buy the game and pay a monthly fee (like 20 euro for high quality graphic or something) you can cancel the thing after one month. Veilguard is free on GeForce Now if you buy 6 months. Only makes sense if playing lots of other games on it though. I wish I could just walk away from this train wreck. But I can't even not finish the trashiest horror movie, I still need to know who of the people I don't care about survives... I hate unfinished storylines. And if I'm going to subject myself to this kindergarten circus I might as well play it myself and not just watch other people. I'm going to hate play this... Just watch videos on YouTube and save yourself some money.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 30, 2024 13:33:56 GMT
How did we go from Morrigan "I am many things but I will not be the mother you were to me" to whatever this is. I don't know if I can get over it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 13:37:32 GMT
Been watching the conversation between Taash and Neve concerning the clothes they wear: Taash opts for being non-binary because her mother keeps saying she acts like a man. I have to say that I'm so glad I grew up in the '60s and '70s when you could be a rebel and still stay the same gender! It actually confirms the fact that gender ideology confirms stereotypes instead of getting rid of them. My mother was constantly disapproving of the way I walked "You walk like a man. Be more ladylike". I just ignored her and carried on walking how I felt comfortable. My attitude was: "I walk like this. I am a girl. Therefore not all girls walk with dainty little steps." I thought it probably had something to do with footwear. If the shoes are crippling uncomfortable of course you are going to walk the way my mother did. I wouldn't wear high heels or pointy toes. I preferred going bare foot when I could (I still do) or with flats or low heels. Then much later I learned that stilletoes were invented by a man. That figured. Only a man who didn't have to wear them, would try and force such a fashion on those that did. Mostly I wore trousers because they were more practical out in the countryside where I spent most of my time, riding horses (although side-saddle was an option I preferred western). However, I did occasionally wear dresses, usually as long as possible to hide my spindly legs and in hot summers when I appreciated the air circulating around my legs. I have been told I also drive like a man. So, I feel sorry for Taash. She let her mother's comments get to her.
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Post by Carcharoth on Oct 30, 2024 13:48:03 GMT
How did we go from Morrigan "I am many things but I will not be the mother you were to me" to whatever this is. I don't know if I can get over it. 10 years, a change in the demographics BioWare wants to appeal to and a lot of old writers leaving. I had to be talked into Inquisition. I'll be skipping this one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2024 13:50:05 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune >Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player >The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris >More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example) >There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb I'm watching this and it is extremely dumb and so on the nose that I can't believe Weekes wrote this characater. Remember Dorian's mission? It was nothing great or anything but it was subtle, before the mission he was NOT screaming all the time that his father doesn't accept his sexuality or anything, and yet here it is, Taash will talk about it nonstop. lol
Hell, remember Krem? I am not joking, I didn't even notice anything about him, only noticed after I saw the dialogue option to talk about him.
The Qunari lore that her mother suddenly knows is absurd. The Ben-Hassarth didn't know about the Qunari origins, but Taash's mother sure as shit did! The Dragon King is so stupid that I can't wrap my head around it. The Qunari from the QUN working with an elven god, let that sink in. And they ARE following the Qun because they won't shut up about it, and yet they're working with a demon. At this point the lore of Dragon Age means nothing.
Also, whoever that person with the pirate hat is, she's not Isabela and never will be. I refuse to believe its the same voice actor and she's not acting like Isabela at all, good thing Hawke cannot ever be mentioned by her.
I think we should all accept that the story of Dragon Age ended with the death of Corypheus after you finish Jaws of Hakkon and Descent. If someone here is good at writing maybe they can make an ending for Trespasser that also concludes Solas' story?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 30, 2024 13:55:40 GMT
Been watching the conversation between Taash and Neve concerning the clothes they wear: Taash opts for being non-binary because her mother keeps saying she acts like a man. I have to say that I'm so glad I grew up in the '60s and '70s when you could be a rebel and still stay the same gender! It actually confirms the fact that gender ideology confirms stereotypes instead of getting rid of them. Exactly this!!! This is what drives me up the wall. Don't other people see this??? Everybody wants to be oh so special now. Non binary is the most attention seeking bullshit I've ever seen. There, I said it. At least a trans person picks a gender and sticks with it. But no, you cannot define me. Gender does not apply to me. I'm so different. Can't put a label on me. I'm so cool for it. Completely insufferable to me.
I grew up wishing I was a boy. Because I thought they had cooler toys and did cooler things, like climb trees. I hated dresses because you cannot play properly wearing them, like slide around on the floor. This was in the 80s. So I simply had my mom buy me stereotypical boy toys alongside My Little Pony stuff. I wore pants and still don't wear dresses. My uncle let me drive a motorcycle in the fields at age 10. Almost lost fingers in an accident.
I'm still a woman though, I'm just not a fucking cliche of a woman! I actively hated being a girl when I got my first period and it was downright traumatic. I got over that sentiment eventually. Men have it rough too in other ways. Image I was 12 today. I would get gaslit into considering that I'm really in the wrong body or non binary. I'm not. I was and still am a tomboy. End of story. Nothing special.
This post will probably get removed for being politically incorrect...
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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 14:01:57 GMT
If someone here is good at writing maybe they can make an ending for Trespasser that also concludes Solas' story? I'll give it a shot. Could be a fun writing exercise This is what drives me up the wall. Don't other people see this??? Everybody wants to be oh so special now. Non binary is the most attention seeking bullshit I've ever seen. There, I said it. At least a trans person picks a gender and sticks with it. But no, you cannot define me. Gender does not apply to me. I'm so different. Can't put a label on me. I'm so cool for it. Completely insufferable to me.
I grew up wishing I was a boy. Because I thought they had cooler toys and did cooler things, like climb trees. I hated dresses because you cannot play properly wearing them, like slide around on the floor. This was in the 80s. So I simply had my mom buy me stereotypical boy toys alongside My Little Pony stuff. I wore pants and still don't wear dresses. My uncle let me drive a motorcycle in the fields at age 10. Almost lost fingers in an accident.
I'm still a woman though, I'm just not a fucking cliche of a woman! I actively hated being a girl when I got my first period and it was downright traumatic. I got over that sentiment eventually. Men have it rough too in other ways. Image I was 12 today. I would get gaslit into considering that I'm really in the wrong body or non binary. I'm not. I was and still am a tomboy. End of story. Nothing special.
This post will probably get removed for being politically incorrect... I'm a very feminine man who may or may not be transitioning in the future. I don't have a solid answer yet one way or the other, according to most guys in my social circle (who arent exactly the picture of masculinity themselves), I'm still on a very feminine edge of that spectrum.
The NB shit confuses the hell out of me. In a weird way its existence almost feels like it reinforces gender stereotypes - like if you're a very feminine man or tomboy you're suddenly NB? I don't get it. I really, really dislike how it certainly seems like the devs are using the existence of gender minorities (NB, trans, etc) as a shield against criticism. That's abhorrent to me and will, in my opinion, only result in more hatred to those groups with publicity stunts like these.
You wanna pander to me Bioware? The gender nonconforming potential transwoman? Bring back spirit healing from DAO/DA2. The barrier system was god awful and I detest how DA4's combat is just a blatant god of war ripoff. The Tank/Healer/Dps system is considered a holy trinity for a reason and I hate how gimped the healing specialization has become thanks to the devs idiotic actions. Also bring back the rivalry system, was an amazing feature in DA2 it was just forgotten about after that game.
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Post by shagohad on Oct 30, 2024 14:07:24 GMT
I really want to know the behind the scenes details on this game, more so than than other game I know. How did we go from Inquisition to this? In regards to Taash, I really miss characters like Gay Tony from GTA 4. He was the highlight of his expansion and felt like an actual person, despite being known as 'Gay' Tony.
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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 14:17:58 GMT
I really want to know the behind the scenes details on this game, more so than than other game I know. How did we go from Inquisition to this? In regards to Taash, I really miss characters like Gay Tony from GTA 4. He was the highlight of his expansion and felt like an actual person, despite being known as 'Gay' Tony. I miss characters like Arcade Gannon and Veronica from New Vegas. Especially Veronica as her sexuality and gender are intrinsically tied into her faction in a way that makes her arc more interesting and tragic - it's another layer onto the shit sandwich she's been dealt regarding her personal storyline in that game. I don't like it when characters are...what's the word - tokenized? Like "oh, that's the gay character!", because that's their only defining personality trait they're allowed to have.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 14:21:09 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune >Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player >The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris >More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example) >There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb A couple of more comments on the video. Is it me or with the Isabella section is she constantly breaking the 4th wall? It's like she knows the "camera" is effectively there and she is speaking to it, to us as an audience, particularly during the preachy bits. It made me feel like she was the lecturer saying "listen up kids, this is important".
Also, again perhaps its me, but there is something odd about Isabella's face, apart from the fact that she doesn't look her age. The structure is different and, dare I say it, less feminine. I mean Taash looks more feminine in her facial structure. Certainly, if they hadn't said that was Isabella I would never have recognised her. Where did our lovely pirate queen go?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 30, 2024 14:23:31 GMT
I'm a very feminine man who may or may not be transitioning in the future. I don't have a solid answer yet one way or the other, according to most guys in my social circle (who arent exactly the picture of masculinity themselves), I'm still on a very feminine edge of that spectrum. Nothing wrong with being a feminine man! Ultimately your choice but consider carefully if you're really feeling like that or if you're just conforming to a different kind of new social expectation to make sense of yourself.
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Post by Biotic Commando on Oct 30, 2024 14:27:16 GMT
I really want to know the behind the scenes details on this game, more so than than other game I know. How did we go from Inquisition to this? In regards to Taash, I really miss characters like Gay Tony from GTA 4. He was the highlight of his expansion and felt like an actual person, despite being known as 'Gay' Tony. I miss when gay/non-straight characters were allowed to be characters and not made to be tokens with their entire personality revolving around their sexuality. A person sexuality is a meaningless and irrelevant thing, or at least it should be. But some people have understood that backwards.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 14:28:26 GMT
>Isabela is a leader of, or affiliated with, the Lords of Fortune >Taash will pursue Harding if neither are romanced by the player >The Antaam are blighting the dragons on behalf of the Evanuris >More vague memberberries/references to DA2 that implicitly decanonize certain choices from that game (betraying Isabela to the Qunari, for example) >There's a really dumb subboss/offshoot of the Antaam called the Dragon King who is so 2 dimensionally cartoonish that I have no idea what the devs were thinking
First wave of spoilers. A lot of it's really, really dumb A couple of more comments on the video. Is it me or with the Isabella section is she constantly breaking the 4th wall? It's like she knows the "camera" is effectively there and she is speaking to it, to us as an audience, particularly during the preachy bits. It made me feel like she was the lecturer saying "listen up kids, this is important".
Also, again perhaps its me, but there is something odd about Isabella's face, apart from the fact that she doesn't look her age. The structure is different and, dare I say it, less feminine. I mean Taash looks more feminine in her facial structure. Certainly, if they hadn't said that was Isabella I would never have recognised her. Where did our lovely pirate queen go? It looks like she went through a blender of a Sims game director, hrt sessions, and more than a few pugilistic encounters with opponents of varying weight classes. If I had to guess.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2024 14:29:24 GMT
A couple of more comments on the video. Is it me or with the Isabella section is she constantly breaking the 4th wall? It's like she knows the "camera" is effectively there and she is speaking to it, to us as an audience, particularly during the preachy bits. It made me feel like she was the lecturer saying "listen up kids, this is important".
Also, again perhaps its me, but there is something odd about Isabella's face, apart from the fact that she doesn't look her age. The structure is different and, dare I say it, less feminine. I mean Taash looks more feminine in her facial structure. Certainly, if they hadn't said that was Isabella I would never have recognised her. Where did our lovely pirate queen go? I've been noticing this now for a while. The weird companion interactions clearly aren't the only moments where this feeling that a character is breaking the 4th wall happens.
And what's even more bizarre to me is that all these "lessons" this game seems to be trying to teach us makes it feel like they're trying to teach kids. What the hell is this?
Reminds me of Pokémon Black and White, A GAME FOR TODDLERS, where a member of Team Plasma says he doesn't like people who think differently from him. Which is obviously teaching kids that this is dangerous line of thinking. And yet even POKÉMON had better conflicts between adults than whatever the fuck it is that Veilguard tries to show.
You would think Weekes, Epler and the other devs would be able to tell a story that is subtle and that can deliver a message as if talking to someone that is older than 15. But looking at Taash's character, clearly not.
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Post by danaxe on Oct 30, 2024 14:30:51 GMT
I do not understand the logic in pre ordering a digital product, but I must ask those lurking this thread to ask themselves seriously if paying 60$ for this game is worth it. You can buy Tyranny, DAO, DA2, DAI, Greedfall, New Vegas, and so many other solid games with that money - but is spending 60$ *really* worth it? Im way past the point of what the game is worth, thats not even a concern in mind. All I know is I could never live with myself knowing I gave even 1 euro to the people who murdered my favorite franchise. Why would I reward the people who so blatantly and in such a vile-filled way destroyed something I used to love so much. Not even 1 cent of my money is going into this.
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Post by General Mahad on Oct 30, 2024 14:33:38 GMT
I don’t know how big the sample size is, but it looks like Taash is the least liked companion at 6% according to this poll.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 30, 2024 14:42:50 GMT
And there's Bellara right at the bottom with Taash. This is of course before most people have had a chance to play the game, so maybe that will change(it probably won't). But it's nice to know I'm not the only one tired of quirky weirdo college kids who don't belong in a dark fantasy game.
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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 14:45:15 GMT
Reminds me of Pokémon Black and White, A GAME FOR TODDLERS, where a member of Team Plasma says he doesn't like people who think differently from him. Which is obviously teaching kids that this is dangerous line of thinking. And yet even POKÉMON had better conflicts between adults than whatever the fuck it is that Veilguard tries to show. Remember how the entire framing of Team Plasma was that it was simultaneously staffed by well meaning idealists who truly drunk the koolaid but were operating off of good intentions of wanting to protect Pokemon -- and also scheming opportunists who were using the entire movement and the unrest it was causing across Unova as an excuse to gain power and lord over people? And it was only after being curb stomped by the protagonist and the entire conflict really coming to ahead that the group essentially split in two - with the former genuinely keeping to their ideals of wanting to protect Pokemon and atone for their group's ways and the latter shedding any pretense of nobility and revealing their rotten selves/ambitions for all to see by the events of B2W2? That was neat. And it draws parallels with the Venatori - a repository for madmen like Erimond, yes, but also mavericks and disillusioned reformists who desperately want to save/better their homeland, but see no institutional way to achieve their goals with the Magesterium being as corrupt as it is. But unlike Team Plasma, the only degree of nuance we're ever given is through Calpurnia and Calpurnia alone, a singular character. Every other Venatori we meet is a raving, enslaving and blood magic using madman. Well surely if they're to reappear in the sequel they'll get the B2W2 treatment of being deconstructed and deserving of nuance, right? What's that? They're cartoonishly evil and dicking about like the not-Klan? Just generic enemies for the protagonists to mow through - even their their leadership structure has been 8 years decimated, the current Archon has no love for them and per BIOWARE'S OWN CANON, they're apparently on the run/being wiped out as a faction by the events of the Fenris comics, which take place in 9:44-9:45 ---- yet somehow inexplicably they're back to full strength 6-7 years later. And still cartoonishly evil cackling madmen? Ok.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2024 14:45:23 GMT
yarus; the video doesn't work any more. Apparently it breached copyright and got taken down from You Tube.
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Post by yarus on Oct 30, 2024 14:56:54 GMT
yarus ; the video doesn't work any more. Apparently it breached copyright and got taken down from You Tube. Thats really unfortunate. Shame the video is lost to time =( And it created such hype for the game
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Post by General Mahad on Oct 30, 2024 14:57:39 GMT
yarus ; the video doesn't work any more. Apparently it breached copyright and got taken down from You Tube. Backup Remember how Dragon Age used to be dark fantasy and not a therapy couch for sexual identity? Those were the good ol’ days.
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