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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 11, 2024 22:05:01 GMT
I'm willing to give the team the benefit of the doubt, since after so many reboots and resets of the game, not to mention people (even respected seniors) constantly being let go, the morale wasn't probably the highest and they just wanted a game out asap. But then you have things like Taash and her non-binary journey, that feels so much like Weekes' personal pet project, and it makes me question whether they are critical of their own work or not. I hope that by next year, we'll hear some thoughts from the writers and devs on how happy they themselves are with the finished project. Though I doubt we'll hear anything remarkably critical unless there's some insider who exposes the behind the scenes drama that's bound to be going on, if not only for the lackluster sales. Found an interesting bit on bluesky with DAV creative director and lead writer I do emphasise: game was rebooted numerous times. Late 2022 half of writing team was laid off. And looking at Joplin concepts in artbook, team has started with very strong narrative. Sadly for whatever reasons it was scrapped. What I can't justify is the quality of writing we got. Fine, the decided to make it safe and more linear. But ffs, why script looks like it wasn't edited? Numerous repeats, discrepancies between dialogue wheel and actual line, at times what NPC says and what you respond doesn't feel connected. At the same time, third act was clearly revisited and polished. What Rook says in every conversation is simply better than the rest of the game. Same goes for conversations with Solas. It almost feels like they lacked manpower to give enough attention for story beside scenes with highest prio or a lot of 2 act was redone up to very late in development. Very interesting what's the case.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Nov 11, 2024 22:11:44 GMT
I think they did the cliche interrupted kiss in every single romance. Manfred interrupts you when you get close to Emmrich, I've seen Davrin's has the same with Assan and Lucanis interrupts himself. They must have just used the same design doc for all of them. Yes, it seemed that way to me. There was a specific formula that every romance had to follow and that 'almost kissed but not quite' would have been okay for just one romance but every time?! Definitely lacks content at least, I like a fair bit of what's there but it does feel a little lacking. Maybe I'm spoiled from running back to the stables whenever I felt like it to give Blackwall kisses, lol. But that also had more romantic tension and build up with strong payoff, compared to getting together once you've checked off the appropriate missions. To be honest, I think the romances, apart from Solas, were very much something they felt they had to include but couldn't really be bothered with giving much thought to, which is why they used the cookie cutter narrative for them all: mild flirting, interrupted kiss, more flirting, finally get together before big battle. The only exception to this was Taash where she comes straight out with "Do you want sex?" fairly early on so far as I can tell but it still followed the rest of the formula from then on. There was certainly none of the variety found with the romances in DAI in how they played out. Spot on! Also I was feeling dejavu quite a bit regarding companions and how their story\personalities were presented. Emmrick putting emphasis on "indomitable spirit"; Bellara getting caught writing smut and being embarrassed about it; Rook's line of jokes about hand (poor imitation of Hawke at the end of second act); kiss being interrupted by 3rd party... It's okay to use what worked in previous games, but either make it better, or coty intention, not execution. To continue: Emmrich is the foil to Solas (minus Dread Wolf part); Bellara to Merrill; Lucanis to Zevran; Taash to Bull; Harding tries to be Varric from DA2. I know I oversimplify, but I can't help comparing them to companions from previous games. But in every case DAV versions fall short.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Nov 11, 2024 22:37:12 GMT
I love Taash and cried and screamed during their storyline, but that conversation with Isabela and Bellara at the bar was just ridiculous. The irony of Isabela stating that doing push ups in the middle of a conversation is supposed to DETRACT the attention away from the mistake they made, therefore not making it about themselves was insanely ironic. I had to laugh, cause I’m like - Isabela, you are LITERALLY making it about yourself and drag. ing. it. I am skipping that scene on my next play through.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 11, 2024 23:13:04 GMT
Just watched someone play through the entirety of Inquisition. And I'm crying like a little baby. After all these years, this game still makes me feel emotional turmoil.
Nothing in Veilguard comes close. Absolutely nothing.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Nov 11, 2024 23:13:48 GMT
So, I was preoccupied with other stuff the last couple weeks and just started DATV last night. I'm actually enjoying it so far, but...
...they left out quicksaves again? Didn't BW get any complaints about that when Andromeda came out? I know it's not that much effort to do a regular save, but the quicksaves did make trying out different dialogue choices easier.
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Post by grallon on Nov 11, 2024 23:17:38 GMT
Am I odd, or is it the world? No, you're just older, like me and others here. By the late 90s, racism was largely behind us. Discrimination and misogyny were frowned upon or even shunned. Gender dysphoria was a known medical condition affecting less than 0.05% of the general population. And nobody had ever heard of this non-binary stuff. Then "all of a sudden" all of these started appearing, or cropping back up, everywhere in the West. One has to wonder how all these things that had disappeared (or never existed) "suddenly" manifested and were a major concern again? And it all happened at the same time as the internet and social media became widespread... Hmmm... Coincidence? I think not.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 11, 2024 23:21:42 GMT
I started playing Metaphor ReFantazio after I finished Veilguard and while it's also not at all subtle about its messaging it at least takes the extra step to have a consistent tone and fit its world.
Probably not a fair comparison. It just makes the Veilguard writing stick out more.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 12, 2024 0:05:57 GMT
I hope it's not incompetence or laziness that led to this game, just a lack of inspiration and maybe some misguided ideas as to what this game should be Laziness I don't think at all, either wildly misguided or actually shockingly incompetent or both because at this point there is a pattern. Sorry to say that, but the writing just isn't good enough anymore for me. At least everything to do with the lighthouse is an abomination for a Dragon Age game (fine for other genres and franchises). Main story stuff is simplified but not horrible so far. I would like this game a LOT more if the lighthouse stuff was not part of the game in any form and the tone of the companions wildly different too. At this point I'm playing for the elven story hoping there is good payoff to be had at the end at least. Agreed. I hate everything to do with the lighthouse, too. It's like I've been thrown into someone's weird fantasy of living on a perfect Reality TV set, with their perfect housemates.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Nov 12, 2024 0:07:20 GMT
Instead of creating another thread. I guess I'll post this here. We finally have a means to go anywhere in Thedas with the Eluivans and there are no expansions planned?! Now, I haven't finished the story. So, please no spoilers. I'll be honest, I was disappointed hearing that. Now, who knows what "small content" drops means, but if it's like armor drops or whatever. I guess that's something.
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Post by phoray on Nov 12, 2024 0:17:50 GMT
Qun retconning via Rowan in the Hall of Valor area. Rowan is legitimately retconning the Qunari, I can't even say this isn't what Bioware is doing now, this isn't just one viewpoint of many, subjective. She tells the person in front of her that her belief about how the Qun treats their mages is wrong. That the sewing of mage mouths is only done by the brutal antaam which is why we saw it firsthand in Kirkwall. And where does this Rivaini seer, non Qun follower, get off speaking for what all of the Qun are doing in the jungles of Seharon? And what of Sten, he wasn't just some brutal Antaam? I am actively disgusted, like, there is no way to take this as anything else.
It's indefensible! THREE GAMES, you're telling me THREE GAMES lied ? So consistently for THREE GAMES?
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Post by phoray on Nov 12, 2024 0:29:11 GMT
Between what they've done to Isseya and what Rowan just said, I cried. I'm a baby who looked forward to this game for 8 years and this betrayal is what I got. I almost considered not finishing the game at all, but if I can finish the garbage that was Ass Creed Odyssey, I can finish this.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 12, 2024 0:40:36 GMT
Just received taash’s recruitment mission and am already contemplating deleting the game entirely.
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Post by grallon on Nov 12, 2024 2:04:31 GMT
Just watched someone play through the entirety of Inquisition. And I'm crying like a little baby. After all these years, this game still makes me feel emotional turmoil. Nothing in Veilguard comes close. Absolutely nothing. Then play it again! I reinstalled it yesterday, finished modding it today. I hadn't realized the last time I played it was 3 years ago already. I'm running around collecting ores and elf roots, re-discovering every nook I can - enjoying the Hinterlands for Christ sake! It's like seeing old friends you haven't seen in a long time.
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Post by cockyrustler on Nov 12, 2024 2:54:43 GMT
I'm still early in Act I, but the main story narrative structure is really weird. Like a bunch of different pieces that don't fit together. - First with Rook, who's a "hero" we know nothing about, has a friendly relationship with Varric ( that also happened off screen), and wants to stop Solas..why exactly? It's painfully obvious Hawke or Inquisitor should be protagonist instead - Then the three merrily run along to stop Solas, Apocalypse, demons fall from the sky. No real plan, they all charge in knowing Solas could kill them all like swating a fly. Everyone you meet just casually acknowledges " Oh, so the Old Elven Gods are back?", it's not that big of a deal - Then the blighted village. This was supposed to be "Oh, shit" moment, like Ostagar, where you finally realize what you're up against, you need to get strong, get allies..but it all happens in some backwater village hardly anyone knows of. - Now I'm just doing some uninmportant quests for companions..for some reason? Like taking Lucanis for coffee in the market?
It's like mix of Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect II ( which had a very simple, but straightforward story), that doesn't really make any sense.
Also I do not like constant teleportation through Lighthouse..it makes the world feel small and "fake". Origins had that good ol' fashioned sense of adventure, zero to hero, your party travelling across Ferelden.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 12, 2024 3:13:40 GMT
I suppose therein lies the problem - the levels and associates all feel so disjointed and not necessarily connected to the main narrative. Same with the companions. Building up the world and fleshing out companions in general is a good thing, but it doesn't feel built up or fleshed out.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 12, 2024 4:03:08 GMT
And now I'm angry. Taash's intro is everything this game has been missing. An Edge. More below. In the very first scene she's killing Antaam and fucking them up. And then she says we bait the Vinsomer, take its treasure and get drunk. The Rivain coast is gorgeous. They're doing well with the environment. Yes, there's a stupid line "you don't get to tell me who I am", it's lame, but it doesn't kill the vibe. What's not to like? And then they shit the bed with the mother issues and the chosen one garbage. Her poor mother is trying her damndest to understand, empathize, and get on her page while trying to keep her safe. And Taash shits all over her. Is she a teenager? Does Weekes not understand how unlikeable that comes across? Isabela is playing the part of a Military recruiter. And it lands weirdly. They could've had a Wrex or a Grunt here, but they threw it in the garbage for a self-insert trauma dump. Unforgivable.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 12, 2024 4:10:29 GMT
Why exactly would a Theodosian dragon have a hoard? They’re just animals with above average intelligence; they have no use for treasure.
I mean, yeah, the high dragons in DAI would drop a fair bit of loot, but I assume that was just undigested items carried by past victims.
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Post by phoray on Nov 12, 2024 4:11:20 GMT
Yes. They cannot possibly be older than 20. Keep that in mind for all of their scenes and it will make them less ridiculous. Don't expect an adult mind here. If you just accept that this is a child on the cusp of adulthood, then all of it makes sense. I think a lot of people imagine them older and then they aren't very forgiving of their dialogue and choices as a result.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 12, 2024 4:19:53 GMT
Yes. They cannot possibly be older than 20. Keep that in mind for all of their scenes and it will make them less ridiculous. Don't expect an adult mind here. If you just accept that this is a child on the cusp of adulthood, then all of it makes sense. I think a lot of people imagine them older and then they aren't very forgiving of their dialogue and choices as a result. It probably doesn't help they outright said Taash had "the steamiest romance", then you meet them and they are basically a sullen teen. Setting up the expectations oddly.
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Post by phoray on Nov 12, 2024 4:24:11 GMT
It probably doesn't help they outright said Taash had "the steamiest romance", then you meet them and they are basically a sullen teen. Setting up the expectations oddly. I hadn't realized Bioware had done that, because I'd gone dark to avoid spoilers. But I was a pretty frisky teenager myself, sneaking out at night and such. As an older adult now, romancing Taash is not even on my radar. And I feel a bit askance that Harding, someone around 35, is starting a relationship with Taash also. But whatever I guess, not every relationship is forever at that age. They can have a fling. Just a bit ick.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 12, 2024 4:38:46 GMT
It probably doesn't help they outright said Taash had "the steamiest romance", then you meet them and they are basically a sullen teen. Setting up the expectations oddly. I hadn't realized Bioware had done that, because I'd gone dark to avoid spoilers. But I was a pretty frisky teenager myself, sneaking out at night and such. As an older adult now, romancing Taash is not even on my radar. And I feel a bit askance that Harding, someone around 35, is starting a relationship with Taash also. But whatever I guess, not every relationship is forever at that age. They can have a fling. Just a bit ick. The worst part of that for me was Harding being weirded out about me and Emmrich. Girl do what you want but don't come for my relationship! Taash does read younger sibling to me, but maybe younger players will like them more idk. I'm too old.
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Post by phoray on Nov 12, 2024 5:23:13 GMT
Qun retconning via Rowan in the Hall of Valor area. Rowan is legitimately retconning the Qunari, I can't even say this isn't what Bioware is doing now, this isn't just one viewpoint of many, subjective. She tells the person in front of her that her belief about how the Qun treats their mages is wrong. That the sewing of mage mouths is only done by the brutal antaam which is why we saw it firsthand in Kirkwall. And where does this Rivaini seer, non Qun follower, get off speaking for what all of the Qun are doing in the jungles of Seharon? And what of Sten, he wasn't just some brutal Antaam? I am actively disgusted, like, there is no way to take this as anything else.
It's indefensible! THREE GAMES, you're telling me THREE GAMES lied ? So consistently for THREE GAMES? For you alanc9
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 12, 2024 5:27:08 GMT
Dragon Age: The Veilguard Sales Keep Pace with Dragon's Dogma 2, Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth in UK
Which translates to failing to meet EA's extremely high sales threshold.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 12, 2024 6:24:12 GMT
I'm still early in Act I, but the main story narrative structure is really weird. Like a bunch of different pieces that don't fit together. - First with Rook, who's a "hero" we know nothing about, has a friendly relationship with Varric ( that also happened off screen), and wants to stop Solas..why exactly? It's painfully obvious Hawke or Inquisitor should be protagonist instead This is addressed in-game. Rook is there because they demonstrated both competence and heroism. All the backgrounds make it clear that Rook is someone Varric would have wanted for the job. Again, literally addressed in-game. If Solas hasn't actually committed all his power to the ritual and it's a straight-up fight, you're all dead.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 12, 2024 8:04:44 GMT
Yes. They cannot possibly be older than 20. Keep that in mind for all of their scenes and it will make them less ridiculous. Don't expect an adult mind here. If you just accept that this is a child on the cusp of adulthood, then all of it makes sense. I think a lot of people imagine them older and then they aren't very forgiving of their dialogue and choices as a result. Taash is fine outside of her personal quests being used as Weekes' NB mouthpiece. When she talks to the other companions she's all right. Dorky but nice. Even funny at times. Seems to have a soft spot for animals, which is relatable. I wish she didn't use contemporary phrases like "that's messed up" every other minute but that is true for ALL of them except Emmrich, I guess. While there's nothing really interesting about Taash so far for me, she's likeable enough when she's not throwing tantrums about her identity.
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