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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 12, 2024 8:36:41 GMT
This is a good video, I can't believe they haphazardly nuked southern thedas I agree with this guy in the video 100%. I couldn't have put it better myself, although I have expressed some similar sentiments on this thread. When he was saying about how they want to wipe away the past so they can continue in the future without having to be constrained by it, this thought popped into my mind "unburdened by what has been". That is part of a political ideology originally promoted by Marx. You no longer learn from the past as we previously did, so you do not repeat their mistakes but nevertheless continue those things that were good about it. You erase the past so the current regime is the only one you ever know. Ironically the writers of the earlier games understood this. So, they introduced the idea of the Chantry removing parts of the Chant for political reasons, of Drakon destroying every cult of Andraste that did not agree with his own, even possibly the Keepers of the Lore in the Dales conveniently ignoring inconvenient aspects of the history of their gods (we will never get to the bottom now whether they knew the truth about the abuses of the gods). What was clear was how forgetting the past was dangerous to the present and did mean that people would be destined to repeat their mistakes. However having an idealised view of what the world once was and thinking you could restore that without the bad aspects, as Solas wanted to do, was equally faulty. Clearly, the current writers didn't understand this because they are of the mindset that everything in the past is bad and needs to be destroyed, to be replaced by their own vision. As the guy in the video says, this is not just true of Dragon Age writers but across the entertainment industry. Instead of having the courage to create their own new franchise embodying the ideology and stories they want to tell, they use a franchise with an established popularity and then destroy what other people have created before them, replacing it with their own "vision". Then they wonder why people attack what they have done and refuse to buy their product. Then they claim they are the victims of toxic fans who are racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, etc. No, I just refuse to buy into your bull****, literally.
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Post by Adia on Nov 12, 2024 8:44:29 GMT
Laziness I don't think at all, either wildly misguided or actually shockingly incompetent or both because at this point there is a pattern. Sorry to say that, but the writing just isn't good enough anymore for me. At least everything to do with the lighthouse is an abomination for a Dragon Age game (fine for other genres and franchises). Main story stuff is simplified but not horrible so far. I would like this game a LOT more if the lighthouse stuff was not part of the game in any form and the tone of the companions wildly different too. At this point I'm playing for the elven story hoping there is good payoff to be had at the end at least. Agreed. I hate everything to do with the lighthouse, too. It's like I've been thrown into someone's weird fantasy of living on a perfect Reality TV set, with their perfect housemates. I hated the lighthouse in general. Fine, the Eluvians were present since DA:O, and were expanded upon in Inquisition and Trespasser. But I just didn't like the whole teleporting around Thedas. And how are we still dreaming if we are physically in the fade?
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Rook misses Varric so badly he keeps imaging Varric is alive and speaking with him, until it's revealed at the end of the game that it was only Rook's imagination and grief and Varric is dead. Seems like a missed opportunity - it could've been a spirit imitating him, like what happened with Divine Justinia in Inquisition. I mean- we are in the fade after all, it makes perfect sense. You can tell they've given 0 thoughts about this. Also - why is Rook grieving him this badly? it would've made 10 times more sense if it was Hawke or the Inquisitor.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 12, 2024 8:54:28 GMT
This is a good video, I can't believe they haphazardly nuked southern thedas I agree with this guy in the video 100%. I couldn't have put it better myself, although I have expressed some similar sentiments on this thread. When he was saying about how they want to wipe away the past so they can continue in the future without having to be constrained by it, this thought popped into my mind "unburdened by what has been". That is part of a political ideology originally promoted by Marx. You no longer learn from the past as we previously did, so you do not repeat their mistakes but nevertheless continue those things that were good about it. You erase the past so the current regime is the only one you ever know. Ironically the writers of the earlier games understood this. So, they introduced the idea of the Chantry removing parts of the Chant for political reasons, of Drakon destroying every cult of Andraste that did not agree with his own, even possibly the Keepers of the Lore in the Dales conveniently ignoring inconvenient aspects of the history of their gods (we will never get to the bottom now whether they knew the truth about the abuses of the gods). What was clear was how forgetting the past was dangerous to the present and did mean that people would be destined to repeat their mistakes. However having an idealised view of what the world once was and thinking you could restore that without the bad aspects, as Solas wanted to do, was equally faulty. Clearly, the current writers didn't understand this because they are of the mindset that everything in the past is bad and needs to be destroyed, to be replaced by their own vision. As the guy in the video says, this is not just true of Dragon Age writers but across the entertainment industry. Instead of having the courage to create their own new franchise embodying the ideology and stories they want to tell, they use a franchise with an established popularity and then destroy what other people have created before them, replacing it with their own "vision". Then they wonder why people attack what they have done and refuse to buy their product. Then they claim they are the victims of toxic fans who are racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, etc. No, I just refuse to buy into your bull****, literally. Applause, exactly this! Haven't watched that video yet but your post hits the nail on the head about the entertainment industry. Super frustrating.
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Post by Liepsnele on Nov 12, 2024 8:55:04 GMT
I'm really disappointed about Antaam being so one-sided. I hoped that Qunari invasion will be a big thing but I suspected it will get Mage-Templar war treatment - huge build up in the previous game and in books in-between two games, only to be resolved very quickly with barely any impact.
But somehow Antaam invasion got even worse treatment. I'm still in disbelief that writing is so immature and one sided.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 12, 2024 8:59:36 GMT
Agreed. I hate everything to do with the lighthouse, too. It's like I've been thrown into someone's weird fantasy of living on a perfect Reality TV set, with their perfect housemates. I hated the lighthouse in general. Fine, the Eluvians were present since DA:O, and were expanded upon in Inquisition and Trespasser. But I just didn't like the whole teleporting around Thedas. And how are we still dreaming if we are physically in the fade?
also Varric spoilers -
Rook misses Varric so badly he keeps imaging Varric is alive and speaking with him, until it's revealed at the end of the game that it was only Rook's imagination and grief and Varric is dead. Seems like a missed opportunity - it could've been a spirit imitating him, like what happened with Divine Justinia in Inquisition. I mean- we are in the fade after all, it makes perfect sense. You can tell they've given 0 thoughts about this. Also - why is Rook grieving him this badly? it would've made 10 times more sense if it was Hawke or the Inquisitor.
Very true and that is why I and others argued they should have had some sort of origin story that established a connection with Varric. Instead we have just a few lines of background info and the odd reference in game to suggest that they had worked together for some time before the events of DAV. The writers were using the established players' connection with Varric to make sense of Rook's mindset, which completely ignored the fact this was a new PC and it is a role playing game.
That whole Varric plot twist was very poorly executed. To be honest, I wasn't so thrilled as some other fans to see that Varric was going to be in the game again. I've stated before that I think he became the settings unofficial ongoing hero. It was daft that they deliberately didn't have a PC that continued from game to game (like Shepard) and yet had Varric. Nevertheless, how they dealt with his death was shocking and didn't give the character the respect he deserved after his previous contribution to the narrative in DA2 and DAI. Like everything else from previous games, he was just something to use when convenient and then discarded without truly acknowledging the impact that might have on fans.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 12, 2024 10:22:32 GMT
Fun fact: Since it was released DAV has not managed to have a higher daily player count than BG3...a 15 month old game. DAV's peak player count was 4 Nov at 89K+ vs. BG3 at 101K+ - yesterday it was 59K+ vs 96K+ so the gap has only grown. That tells me players would rather do a "10th" playthrough of BG3 than touch DAV. Great job, Bioware "Leads." You can make a short of list of the very best games of 2024 and not a single one of them manages to have a higher player count than BG3. Not even Black Myth Wukong as of lately. No surprise that DAV doesn't beat BG3's daily player count either. That 15 month old game just so happens to be, possibly, the best game ever. And its player count speaks about its merit, not the flaws of other games. 10 Nov is the only day so far that BG3 has had a higher total player count to Black Myth.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 12, 2024 10:29:56 GMT
10 Nov is the only day so far that BG3 has had a higher total player count to Black Myth. You can pretty much say November 10th onwards. Just checked right now, and BG3 hit a 24-hour peak of 89K players, versus BMW's 85K.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 12, 2024 10:33:31 GMT
I'm really disappointed about Antaam being so one-sided. I hoped that Qunari invasion will be a big thing but I suspected it will get Mage-Templar war treatment - huge build up in the previous game and in books in-between two games, only to be resolved very quickly with barely any impact. But somehow Antaam invasion got even worse treatment. I'm still in disbelief that writing is so immature and one sided. That is true. Taash vowed to integrate as many Antaam followers as possible into Riviani culture, but that is the only glimpse of the Antaam being anything other than one-dimensional bad guys in the game, I suppose.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 12, 2024 11:14:27 GMT
10 Nov is the only day so far that BG3 has had a higher total player count to Black Myth. You can pretty much say November 10th onwards. Just checked right now, and BG3 hit a 24-hour peak of 89K players, versus BMW's 85K. Black Myth: Wukong was such an incredible experience. I really hope it wins game of the year.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 12, 2024 11:17:37 GMT
10 Nov is the only day so far that BG3 has had a higher total player count to Black Myth. You can pretty much say November 10th onwards. Just checked right now, and BG3 hit a 24-hour peak of 89K players, versus BMW's 85K. And? BM destroyed it up until recently. DAV didn't in its first week and half...showing how bad the launch has been...which was my point. At best DAV is a middling game (5-6) that won't have any of the word of mouth momentum that BG3 had because...BG3 is actually a good game and DAV is not.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 12, 2024 11:23:59 GMT
You can pretty much say November 10th onwards. Just checked right now, and BG3 hit a 24-hour peak of 89K players, versus BMW's 85K. Black Myth: Wukong was such an incredible experience. I really hope it wins game of the year. The last I heard it had been excluded from the "competition" illustrating just what gaming journalists have become. I've yet to play it but it looks really cool...I love different culture's mythos so I'm looking forward to it. I have a few things to get through first.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 12, 2024 11:41:26 GMT
That's good to know. Just on the little bit of playthrough's I've watched and some of the set pieces coupled with the ridiculous sales it should crush the competition. If DAV wins what little remaining faith I retain toward gaming journalists with be squashed.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 12, 2024 11:46:34 GMT
That's good to know. Just on the little bit of playthrough's I've watched and some of the set pieces coupled with the ridiculous sales it should crush the competition. If DAV wins what little remaining faith I retain toward gaming journalists with be squashed. It truly was amazing. If you do plan to play it, I suggest watching a Journey to The West summary on YouTube beforehand as things will make a lot more sense. Black Myth is a sequel to that story.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 12, 2024 12:57:16 GMT
This is a good video, I can't believe they haphazardly nuked southern thedas Not for the first time, I am reminded of this quote:
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." - from "1984" by George Orwell.
One might ask: is this really going on? One might think in this time of the internet, nothing is ever forgotten, but in fact the attention of people is also more fleeting than ever in history. What use are perfect archives if nobody ever looks at them? As for the motivations, of course we can't read minds, but humans have pattern recognition, and the pattern is all too recognizable in the corporate entertainment complex. And from my personal perpective, this is not just an insult. It is a casus belli.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 12, 2024 13:21:56 GMT
And? BM destroyed it up until recently. DAV didn't in its first week and half...showing how bad the launch has been...which was my point. At best DAV is a middling game (5-6) that won't have any of the word of mouth momentum that BG3 had because...BG3 is actually a good game and DAV is not. A game being worth of a high score isn't the same of having a large playerbase and attracting more players due to word of mouth. Take Silent Hill 2, for instance. It is a great game. High praising reviews across the board. 95% positive review on Steam. It is a contender for GOTY. And what is it player count? All time peak was 23K. Current daily peak (a month after release) is 3K. And it is not like the game is terrible because no one is playing it. Veilguard did get some serious word of mouth, by the way, but mostly about DEI.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 12, 2024 13:45:17 GMT
One might ask: is this really going on? One might think in this time of the internet, nothing is ever forgotten, but in fact the attention of people is also more fleeting than ever in history. What use are perfect archives if nobody ever looks at them? As for the motivations, of course we can't read minds, but humans have pattern recognition, and the pattern is all too recognizable in the corporate entertainment complex. And from my personal perpective, this is not just an insult. It is a casus belli.
However, I am grateful to the Internet for the fact that I now do have access to archives that previously would have required a lengthy trip to the National Archives in Kew, England (or wherever else they are held) and then possibly not really knowing what I was looking for so might ask the Archivist to copy the wrong document. Likewise, so long as they have been posted somewhere on the Internet I can access documents from anywhere in the world. So, I no longer have to rely on history books that may well have been filtered through someone else's agenda. I can go back to the original source material. It is fascinating to discover how much history often has been altered as it has been passed down to us. Some of the revelations leave me wondering, why has no one realised this before? Simple answer, I suppose, is that they didn't want to. Most likely it has always been the same down the years. If it doesn't suit your particular agenda, you ignore it, knowing the the majority of people will never know because they aren't that interested, particularly if your slant on history is the one they want to hear, because it reinforces their own prejudices. For me discovering the truth can be both disturbing and yet extremely satisfying. I used to feel that way about discovering the truth in the fictional world of Dragon Age but that proved disappointing. Still the truth of history in the real world is often far stranger and more complex than fiction.
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Post by cockyrustler on Nov 12, 2024 13:50:29 GMT
This is a good video, I can't believe they haphazardly nuked southern thedas I agree with this guy in the video 100%. I couldn't have put it better myself, although I have expressed some similar sentiments on this thread. When he was saying about how they want to wipe away the past so they can continue in the future without having to be constrained by it, this thought popped into my mind "unburdened by what has been". That is part of a political ideology originally promoted by Marx. You no longer learn from the past as we previously did, so you do not repeat their mistakes but nevertheless continue those things that were good about it. You erase the past so the current regime is the only one you ever know. Ironically the writers of the earlier games understood this. So, they introduced the idea of the Chantry removing parts of the Chant for political reasons, of Drakon destroying every cult of Andraste that did not agree with his own, even possibly the Keepers of the Lore in the Dales conveniently ignoring inconvenient aspects of the history of their gods (we will never get to the bottom now whether they knew the truth about the abuses of the gods). What was clear was how forgetting the past was dangerous to the present and did mean that people would be destined to repeat their mistakes. However having an idealised view of what the world once was and thinking you could restore that without the bad aspects, as Solas wanted to do, was equally faulty. Clearly, the current writers didn't understand this because they are of the mindset that everything in the past is bad and needs to be destroyed, to be replaced by their own vision. As the guy in the video says, this is not just true of Dragon Age writers but across the entertainment industry. Instead of having the courage to create their own new franchise embodying the ideology and stories they want to tell, they use a franchise with an established popularity and then destroy what other people have created before them, replacing it with their own "vision". Then they wonder why people attack what they have done and refuse to buy their product. Then they claim they are the victims of toxic fans who are racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, etc. No, I just refuse to buy into your bull****, literally. Lol that has nothing to do with Marx(ism). It's just become a right wing catch-all-phrase for any kind of ideological view they don't like. Jesus was hundred times more of an idealist/communist than Marx ever was. You can apply the same line of thinking with Christianity, Capitalism, Buddhism, Enlightenment movement..literally every kind of reactionary movement that arose from dissatisfaction with their current day system ( until it, by itself, is consolidated as-it-always-should-be traditionalism). This is plain narcissism and just lazy effort from the writers to give a franchise " a new slate" going forward ( which they don't really have to worry about, as they've probably killed the series).
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Post by Biotic Commando on Nov 12, 2024 14:10:10 GMT
I agree with this guy in the video 100%. I couldn't have put it better myself, although I have expressed some similar sentiments on this thread. When he was saying about how they want to wipe away the past so they can continue in the future without having to be constrained by it, this thought popped into my mind "unburdened by what has been". That is part of a political ideology originally promoted by Marx. You no longer learn from the past as we previously did, so you do not repeat their mistakes but nevertheless continue those things that were good about it. You erase the past so the current regime is the only one you ever know. Ironically the writers of the earlier games understood this. So, they introduced the idea of the Chantry removing parts of the Chant for political reasons, of Drakon destroying every cult of Andraste that did not agree with his own, even possibly the Keepers of the Lore in the Dales conveniently ignoring inconvenient aspects of the history of their gods (we will never get to the bottom now whether they knew the truth about the abuses of the gods). What was clear was how forgetting the past was dangerous to the present and did mean that people would be destined to repeat their mistakes. However having an idealised view of what the world once was and thinking you could restore that without the bad aspects, as Solas wanted to do, was equally faulty. Clearly, the current writers didn't understand this because they are of the mindset that everything in the past is bad and needs to be destroyed, to be replaced by their own vision. As the guy in the video says, this is not just true of Dragon Age writers but across the entertainment industry. Instead of having the courage to create their own new franchise embodying the ideology and stories they want to tell, they use a franchise with an established popularity and then destroy what other people have created before them, replacing it with their own "vision". Then they wonder why people attack what they have done and refuse to buy their product. Then they claim they are the victims of toxic fans who are racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, etc. No, I just refuse to buy into your bull****, literally. Lol that has nothing to do with Marx(ism). It's just become a right wing catch-all-phrase for any kind of ideological view they don't like. Jesus was hundred times more of an idealist/communist than Marx ever was. You can apply the same line of thinking with Christianity, Capitalism, Buddhism, Enlightenment movement..literally every kind of reactionary movement that arose from dissatisfaction with their current day system ( until it, by itself, is consolidated as-it-always-should-be traditionalism). This is plain narcissism and just lazy effort from the writers to give a franchise " a new slate" going forward ( which they don't really have to worry about, as they've probably killed the series). I laugh my ass off when conservatives talk about "cultural Marxism" as if it was a thing lmao, they really have no clue about what the M word means. As they have no clue about what communism means.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 12, 2024 14:24:34 GMT
Clearly, the current writers didn't understand this because they are of the mindset that everything in the past is bad and needs to be destroyed, to be replaced by their own vision. As the guy in the video says, this is not just true of Dragon Age writers but across the entertainment industry. Instead of having the courage to create their own new franchise embodying the ideology and stories they want to tell, they use a franchise with an established popularity and then destroy what other people have created before them, replacing it with their own "vision". Then they wonder why people attack what they have done and refuse to buy their product. Then they claim they are the victims of toxic fans who are racist, sexist, transphobic, etc, etc. No, I just refuse to buy into your bull****, literally. Or to quote from another franchise-killing disaster: "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to"
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 12, 2024 14:25:20 GMT
For me discovering the truth can be both disturbing and yet extremely satisfying. I used to feel that way about discovering the truth in the fictional world of Dragon Age but that proved disappointing. Still the truth of history in the real world is often far stranger and more complex than fiction. That is true, and I agree.
And as for DAV, it did wrap up the biggest mysteries in a fairly competent way. Some may not have needed resolution, but at least this wasn't an ME3 type of ending. Of course this means they can start anew with an almost blant slate since there are now no more mysteries left except who those guys in the not-so-secret ending are. Not that I think we're going to see any more DA stories in quite some time.
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Post by Reznore on Nov 12, 2024 14:29:02 GMT
For me discovering the truth can be both disturbing and yet extremely satisfying. I used to feel that way about discovering the truth in the fictional world of Dragon Age but that proved disappointing. Still the truth of history in the real world is often far stranger and more complex than fiction. That is true, and I agree.
And as for DAV, it did wrap up the biggest mysteries in a fairly competent way. Some may not have needed resolution, but at least this wasn't an ME3 type of ending. Of course this means they can start anew with an almost blant slate since there are now no more mysteries left except who those guys in the not-so-secret ending are. Not that I think we're going to see any more DA stories in quite some time.
Did they though? A number of big lore reveal is just Solas throwing you a line or Titans speaking through Harding. A weak character...
You got the murals...
And as far as i can tell we still haven't taken a walk in the bloody golden city. Where the mind (?) of the corrupted Titans is.
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 12, 2024 14:29:33 GMT
This is plain narcissism and just lazy effort from the writers to give a franchise " a new slate" going forward ( which they don't really have to worry about, as they've probably killed the series). It is certainly that. The question is if it *also* something else.
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Post by grallon on Nov 12, 2024 14:41:27 GMT
I laugh my ass off when conservatives talk about "cultural Marxism" as if it was a thing lmao, they really have no clue about what the M word means. As they have no clue about what communism means. Is this when you tell us "true" socialism was never tried before? Bruh!
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Post by grallon on Nov 12, 2024 14:44:41 GMT
Or to quote from another franchise-killing disaster: "Let the past die. Kill it if you have to" Ah yes, the quest to manufacture a new kind of human... Now where have I seen that before?
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