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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 13, 2024 19:52:16 GMT
I didn't really like any of the BG3 characters. But that has a lot to do with the game really not taking itself seriously enough for me, so I had real issues connecting with anything (especially emotionally) outside of the gameplay and roleplaying elements. BG3 is the rush of being able to do so many things, having so much freedom inside a recognizable western RPG fantasy world, but the part where I'm immersed into the setting, the story and my companions is completely missing. The only reason I romance any of the dudes on my playthrough is because it's something extra to do and I wonder how my different choices affect the romance. Everything is just a game mechanics (enjoyable ones surely), instead of falling in love with characters or the world, like with Dragon Age.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 13, 2024 19:52:45 GMT
BG3 is doomed for me lol. It's just not meant to be. Tried playing for the first time as Durge on Honor Mode to remove the save scum temptation. In Act 2, my companions... they... they killed me.
I started a new play through and optimized my pathing from my previous game, feeling myself thinking I'm dope and my companions are badass. Then BG3 updates and now I can't load the game because of my mods...
It's doomed.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 19:53:32 GMT
Act 3 of BG3 is the best act actually.
As for the ending, the claim the Veilguard has more variation in the endings than BG3 is ridiculous.
Also side note, I don't believe I'm defending BG3 I'm usually considered the hater of that game
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2024 19:54:11 GMT
Something is sure, BG3 is literally the first game where I have so much difficulty to choose between two female characters, as my LI. Now imagine you're me wanting to romance Astarion so badly for his looks but the cretin hated my sweet elf, then Karlach stole my heart but I couldn't romance her either because I had the Gale bug that made the game think he was my LI so I ended up with nobody on my first PT. Still not over that, lol. |
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 13, 2024 19:57:06 GMT
Something is sure, BG3 is literally the first game where I have so much difficulty to choose between two female characters, as my LI. Now imagine you're me wanting to romance Astarion so badly for his looks but the cretin hated my sweet elf, then Karlach stole my heart but I couldn't romance her either because I had the Gale bug that made the game think he was my LI so I ended up with nobody on my first PT. Still not over that, lol. That sucks. On the bright side it's an opportunity to romance Minthara on the next playthrough. She's dope. |
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Post by Ieldra on Nov 13, 2024 19:57:19 GMT
Larian listened too much to fans. Halsin turned into hollow fan service. Shadowheart was better in early access...she needed less frustrating ways for her to open up but she's far too friendly in the release version. All companions even the evil ones can be turned into teddy bears who see the light.(minus Minthara) Not a fan of that either. Poor Wyll, Myzora steals the show. The added epilogue was ubber fan service and bored me to tears. But at the end of the day there's such a breadth of good interesting content in BG3..it's understood a big RPGs going to have flaws. Plots that don't quite land, characters that aren't that interesting etc.. But choices do matter you can end up ruining the world. Or saving it. Also I liked the dream lover they had in the early access version much better than the Guardian that replaced it. What a twist. You have a tadpole in your head and it appears as a seductive dream lover and rewards you with wet dreams if you give in to it. That would've been a compelling reason to play someone going down the tadpole route. I wonder why they changed that.
Yet another thing that would make heads explode at present-day Bioware I'm sure.
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Post by Syv on Nov 13, 2024 19:58:33 GMT
I didn't really like any of the BG3 characters. But that has a lot to do with the game really not taking itself seriously enough for me, so I had real issues connecting with anything (especially emotionally) outside of the gameplay and roleplaying elements. BG3 is the rush of being able to do so many things, having so much freedom, but the part where I'm immersed into the setting, the story and my companions is completely missing. The only reason I romance any of the dudes on my playthrough is because it's something extra to do and I wonder how my different choices affect the romance. The thing that I felt was really missing in BG3, it's a strong lore and a strong setting, a strong world. I had some difficulty to understand how it works in this universe, what are the rules. Dragon age origins made such an awesome job to create an universe with its limits and rules, that between dragon age and Baldur gate, I would still be more interested by the first. But that was before, now since nobody cares anymore about the universe of dragon age....
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 19:59:26 GMT
I wouldn't be that extreme about it. For example, Wyll has a poorly developed story that is clearly unfinished after a hard reboot late into development. Overall the only companions I thought were well done were Shadowheart and Gale. Yes, those 2 were better than DAVG's companions. Very well done by Larian. The rest were... idk... I had to jump over hoops to justify not staking Astarion in the heart when he tried to bite me. Worse, the only way to get him to not be an ass is to let him bite you and be very empathetic about it. It's fine to have a character not like you, but it's pretty badly treated overall. He also approves of the most ludicrously evil shit that is as bad as Morrigan's in DAO. Like I need someone to explain to me why we should let the entire town we're in be destroyed by letting the cult we want to take over acquire a powerful advantage? You can tell I have many thoughts about Astarion lmao Halsin is a walking fan service. Minthara breaks your game if you're a clean run so I can't even recruit her. Karlach's is incomplete with a lot of cutting room floor content (loved her ending tho)... etc... You're completely wrong about Astarion, you can totally make him friendly even if he doesn't bite you. Moreover, the "I can't justify not staking him" argument is... I'll put it this way, you criticise the fact there is an evil character in the game, not its quality, which is unfair since this character is still well written, and definitely better written than anything in the Veilguard by far. Agree when it comes to Halsin, definitely shouldn't be a companion. Minthara is completely fine I don't understand your criticism. She lacks content, but what is there is good. Karlach is not for me, but again, better written than anything in the Veilguard. There's also Minsc and Jaheira which while having much less content, what was there was superb actually I am not wrong about Astarion. Unless you metagame and avoid bringing him to the right quests he will forever dislike you if you aren't on the evil spectrum. Again, it's fine. It's just annoying unless you indulge the vampire fetishism. His dialogue paths are more forgiving then. His approval is just coded as "isEvil = true" and there's little nuance to it, unlike say Shadowheart which appreciates expedient choices whether good or evil but has a soft spot for x or y. Minthara breaks the game if you go for a run without worms. If you recruit her in Act 2, the game assumes you are tadpoled (she comes with a few) and now your character acts as if he embraces the tadpole. Karlach's story is just not good. I love her and her personality, but the whole heart thing is dumb if you know the lore of the setting esp regarding Zariel.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 13, 2024 19:59:49 GMT
? You can let Bhaal win in the end in BG3. Of course there won't be any import. But DATV always ends the same, Solas is used willingly or not to substain the veil.
I don't care about Solas. I don't think he's that well written. Two characters gets butchered to serve his redemption/anti redemption. Mythal (and even Morrigan to an extend) and Varric.
You don't even anything interesting like Bellara helping Solas because she'd want the pre veil world back. Just this guy who I couldn't wait to stab and be done with.
I didn't even enjoy the last act, and most people loved it.
The DATV ending doesn't surprise me at all, even down to the poor cliffhanger future hook. Given they stopped respecting players canon choices it does feel a missed opportunity to have not have more Origins style endings.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 13, 2024 20:01:19 GMT
Ah yes BG3 the pinnacle of storytelling where most of your choices don't actually matter in the end and you face no consequences for partaking in the worms whatsoever. Loved the game but it's always funny how people are inconsistent about their supposed beliefs. Your choices matter quite a lot, they can literally destroy a country. I do agree, that the tadpole should have more conseuqences, but other than that: you can literally destroy lifes with your choices or save them. One well meant comment in act 1 can kill people in act 2 for example.
Wyll is still better than a lot of companions in other games (and yes, Bioware games included, I love Bioware games, but their companions are very hit and miss for me). I like his concept and his character actualyl a lot, because despite him being a warlock, he is not over the top and well done.
Astarion is not my favourite, but he has a very great backstory and with his character, they actually explore dark topics like SA and trauma very well. His erratic behavior is because of this and he can actually develope in a lot of ways. Depending on your decisions, he can become teh most eviliest of shits or a better person.
Halsin I absolutely agree on, he is a waste of space and nothing more than a sex toy for horny people. Minthara never broke my game. I always recruit her on a good run and she is fine.
Karlach is actually what I hoped, Taash would be - she is awesome and wonderful. Like Wyll, she has less content, but what is there, is just great, especially her breakdown after teh confrontation with Gortash.
But this is a different topic - do I think, BG3 is perfect? Not objectively, but I love the game. The point is: I'm ok with you or otehrs not feeling the same way about it as I do. People have different opinions.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 20:01:50 GMT
I didn't really like any of the BG3 characters. But that has a lot to do with the game really not taking itself seriously enough for me, so I had real issues connecting with anything (especially emotionally) outside of the gameplay and roleplaying elements. BG3 is the rush of being able to do so many things, having so much freedom inside a recognizable western RPG fantasy world, but the part where I'm immersed into the setting, the story and my companions is completely missing. The only reason I romance any of the dudes on my playthrough is because it's something extra to do and I wonder how my different choices affect the romance. Everything is just a game mechanics (enjoyable ones surely), instead of falling in love with characters or the world, like with Dragon Age. The main difference I see between DATV and BG3 in that regard, is that I think BG3 has a decent dialogue and ok characters and serviceable story, but all of these things are not the main thing and not the highest priority of Larian in making it. It's important sure, but I always claim Larian prioritise gameplay mechanics and sandbox and roleplay much more than writing and cohesion and taking itself seriously. I remember that during EA in one of the patches showcases they showed us a cut scene in which you can steal something from a character while talking to her in the middle of the cut scene. I hated it with passion. Here it is if you're interested: But that's Larian for you, cool choices and fun mechanics over storytelling and cohesion. The problem with the Veilguard is that Bioware always were the masters of storytelling and cohesion. If BG3 is not perfect at it it's fine, it's not the major focus and if the other mechanics are good enough the game succeeds. But when Bioware fails at storytelling and characters and and these things it doesn't matter how good the combat is etc, the game just sucks balls. |
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 20:04:47 GMT
You're completely wrong about Astarion, you can totally make him friendly even if he doesn't bite you. Moreover, the "I can't justify not staking him" argument is... I'll put it this way, you criticise the fact there is an evil character in the game, not its quality, which is unfair since this character is still well written, and definitely better written than anything in the Veilguard by far. Agree when it comes to Halsin, definitely shouldn't be a companion. Minthara is completely fine I don't understand your criticism. She lacks content, but what is there is good. Karlach is not for me, but again, better written than anything in the Veilguard. There's also Minsc and Jaheira which while having much less content, what was there was superb actually I am not wrong about Astarion. Unless you metagame and avoid bringing him to the right quests he will forever dislike you if you aren't on the evil spectrum. Again, it's fine. It's just annoying unless you indulge the vampire fetishism. His dialogue paths are more forgiving then. His approval is just coded as "isEvil = true" and there's little nuance to it, unlike say Shadowheart which appreciates expedient choices whether good or evil but has a soft spot for x or y. Minthara breaks the game if you go for a run without worms. If you recruit her in Act 2, the game assumes you are tadpoled (she comes with a few) and now your character acts as if he embraces the tadpole. Karlach's story is just not good. I love her and her personality, but the whole heart thing is dumb if you know the lore of the setting esp regarding Zariel. As for Astarion - my point still stands, you just ignored it. It is a well made character, you just dislike it morally, or at least that's what it seems like. As for minthara - it's hardly the only way to break the game. I hate this aspect as well, but it still doesn't make it as a whole worse than the Veilguard when it comes to story and storytelling, Veilguard story is just so much worse lmao |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2024 20:05:55 GMT
I guess I'm in the minority, I actually liked Wyll and thought he was good dude, but all over the place in early access. I think he mostly suffers from not having enough content personally. Meanwhile, I couldn't stand Gale.  Finally somebody else who cannot stand Gale, yes! The way he talks is so annoying to me. I also dislike his voice. He's a decent character, his personality is just so ugh, shut up. Wyll is a nice man, bit boring for it maybe. Liked the voice acting. He actually has a cool backstory but I agree they did too little with it. BG3 is the SH/Astarion show and the others play second fiddle, even Karlach had too little content. So the companion content is very uneven. I never played Early Access so I have no idea how characters were changed for the worse after feedback as suggested. I can only rate the final product. And I was thoroughly entertained and I think act 3 is great and aside from the memory leak issues act 3 was very playable for me shortly after release already. I didn't have any game breaking bugs, no broken quests. Only the Halsin bug that unbigged itself in act 2. I got lucky, I guess. A friend has had nothing but issues killing half of his characters due to savefile corruption and other broken shit. |
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 20:07:06 GMT
I guess I'm in the minority, I actually liked Wyll and thought he was good dude, but all over the place in early access. I think he mostly suffers from not having enough content personally. Meanwhile, I couldn't stand Gale. Finally somebody else who cannot stand Gale, yes! The way he talks is so annoying to me. I also dislike his voice. He's a decent character, his personality is just so ugh, shut up. What are you talking about many people hate Gale. I liked him much better as an arm in my inventory though he's fun that way |
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 20:08:36 GMT
I am not wrong about Astarion. Unless you metagame and avoid bringing him to the right quests he will forever dislike you if you aren't on the evil spectrum. Again, it's fine. It's just annoying unless you indulge the vampire fetishism. His dialogue paths are more forgiving then. His approval is just coded as "isEvil = true" and there's little nuance to it, unlike say Shadowheart which appreciates expedient choices whether good or evil but has a soft spot for x or y. Minthara breaks the game if you go for a run without worms. If you recruit her in Act 2, the game assumes you are tadpoled (she comes with a few) and now your character acts as if he embraces the tadpole. Karlach's story is just not good. I love her and her personality, but the whole heart thing is dumb if you know the lore of the setting esp regarding Zariel. As for Astarion - my point still stands, you just ignored it. It is a well made character, you just dislike it morally, or at least that's what it seems like. As for minthara - it's hardly the only way to break the game. I hate this aspect as well, but it still doesn't make it as a whole worse than the Veilguard when it comes to story and storytelling, Veilguard story is just so much worse lmao I don't think Astarion's approval tags are well thought out. That's what I'm saying here. Clearly, bringing him to a goody two shoes quest would make him mad. He just disapproves of any remotely "good-aligned" option even when the alternative makes our lives harder (which he presumably hates). Approval with him is tied to just picking evil options OR indulging the vampirism. It's not nuanced at all, unlike all the other companions. It took til Act 2 for Astarion to become more reasonable in the approval department, and by the end I thought his character arc was pretty great. It did not land at all at first though and it marred the entire relationship. Never needed him to love me, but I don't have to curate my DAVG missions to make companions like or dislike me. It's about clearly defined choices, not arbitrary approval bumps. Regarding Minthara, that's just bias in favor of BG3 then. DAVG does not break when you make a RP choice expecting you to take another. That's limiting. I cannot recruit Minthara at all for a purely gameplay related reason. That's not good game design.
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Post by Biotic Commando on Nov 13, 2024 20:10:41 GMT
You're completely wrong about Astarion, you can totally make him friendly even if he doesn't bite you. Moreover, the "I can't justify not staking him" argument is... I'll put it this way, you criticise the fact there is an evil character in the game, not its quality, which is unfair since this character is still well written, and definitely better written than anything in the Veilguard by far. Agree when it comes to Halsin, definitely shouldn't be a companion. Minthara is completely fine I don't understand your criticism. She lacks content, but what is there is good. Karlach is not for me, but again, better written than anything in the Veilguard. There's also Minsc and Jaheira which while having much less content, what was there was superb actually I am not wrong about Astarion. Unless you metagame and avoid bringing him to the right quests he will forever dislike you if you aren't on the evil spectrum. Again, it's fine. It's just annoying unless you indulge the vampire fetishism. His dialogue paths are more forgiving then. His approval is just coded as "isEvil = true" and there's little nuance to it, unlike say Shadowheart which appreciates expedient choices whether good or evil but has a soft spot for x or y. Minthara breaks the game if you go for a run without worms. If you recruit her in Act 2, the game assumes you are tadpoled (she comes with a few) and now your character acts as if he embraces the tadpole. Karlach's story is just not good. I love her and her personality, but the whole heart thing is dumb if you know the lore of the setting esp regarding Zariel. Honestly I don't care that Karlach's story ain't great. She's a demon muscle mommy, that's what matters. I don't ask porn to have a great plot, and I don't ask Baldur's Gate r34 either. |
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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Nov 13, 2024 20:11:29 GMT
I guess I'm in the minority, I actually liked Wyll and thought he was good dude, but all over the place in early access. I think he mostly suffers from not having enough content personally. Meanwhile, I couldn't stand Gale.  Finally somebody else who cannot stand Gale, yes! The way he talks is so annoying to me. I also dislike his voice. He's a decent character, his personality is just so ugh, shut up. Wyll is a nice man, bit boring for it maybe. Liked the voice acting. He actually has a cool backstory but I agree they did too little with it. BG3 is the SH/Astarion show and the others play second fiddle, even Karlach had too little content. So the companion content is very uneven. I never played Early Access so I have no idea how characters were changed for the worse after feedback as suggested. I can only rate the final product. And I was thoroughly entertained and I think act 3 is great and aside from the memory leak issues act 3 was very playable for me shortly after release already. I didn't have any game breaking bugs, no broken quests. Only the Halsin bug that unbigged itself in act 2. I got lucky, I guess. A friend has had nothing but issues killing half of his characters due to savefile corruption and other broken shit. I noticed with every character they either worked on a bit later, like Karlach or Halsin or were rewritten (Wyll) suffered a lot more with their story content, either from flow or lack of it. For example when you get Wyll's father in act 3 why can't you get them to hash things out, or have Wyll be able to make his own choices during his questline much like Shadowheart can etc. Halsin is probably the only character that I hated more than Gale, blatant fan service.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 20:13:28 GMT
Ah yes BG3 the pinnacle of storytelling where most of your choices don't actually matter in the end and you face no consequences for partaking in the worms whatsoever. Loved the game but it's always funny how people are inconsistent about their supposed beliefs. Your choices matter quite a lot, they can literally destroy a country. I do agree, that the tadpole should have more conseuqences, but other than that: you can literally destroy lifes with your choices or save them. One well meant comment in act 1 can kill people in act 2 for example.
DAVG has two major paths regarding which city you save. The entire storyline for both cities plays out differently then. How is that different from destroy vs raid grove? That's what you refer to right? We don't actually see a country being destroyed. Unless you mean ending? Then why does something we don't actually see any more important than how you handle Solas at the end? They're variations lol And in act 3 you can get people killed for not making certain activities and making wrong choices. The game is admittedly pretty heavy handed in telling you what a mission needs but it's also fairly obvious that you don't send Lucanis to work on magical wards lol
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 20:13:40 GMT
I am not wrong about Astarion. Unless you metagame and avoid bringing him to the right quests he will forever dislike you if you aren't on the evil spectrum. Again, it's fine. It's just annoying unless you indulge the vampire fetishism. His dialogue paths are more forgiving then. His approval is just coded as "isEvil = true" and there's little nuance to it, unlike say Shadowheart which appreciates expedient choices whether good or evil but has a soft spot for x or y. Minthara breaks the game if you go for a run without worms. If you recruit her in Act 2, the game assumes you are tadpoled (she comes with a few) and now your character acts as if he embraces the tadpole. Karlach's story is just not good. I love her and her personality, but the whole heart thing is dumb if you know the lore of the setting esp regarding Zariel. Honestly I don't care that Karlach's story ain't great. She's a demon muscle mommy, that's what matters. I don't ask porn to have a great plot, and I don't ask Baldur's Gate r34 either. I respect this.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2024 20:14:55 GMT
I didn't really like any of the BG3 characters. But that has a lot to do with the game really not taking itself seriously enough for me, so I had real issues connecting with anything (especially emotionally) outside of the gameplay and roleplaying elements. Interesting. The conclusion to Astarion's good path arc was so well acted I teared up. It was so good. I got super emotional, same with SH. Took me a long time to start liking any of them though apart from Karlach. And when you play evil you look at Astarion , SH and Laezel and think: you're all as monstrous as me, lol. What is wrong with you all?! (It was GREAT!) I understand the not being serious part. It's what actually helped me enjoy playing an unhinged Bhaal psychopath. It was so over the top I had a blast with being comically evil. BG3 is a lot more serious than DOS2 though. That game was super tongue in cheek. At the end of cat 1 (?) when leaving the island my ex boyfriend and I had killed I think everyone because every scene ended with the realization "shit, you're all evil, need to kill you", lol. |
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 20:16:45 GMT
I love DOS2. I think it's one of my top played games, but I run it with Epic Encounters mod list which makes it a top 5 game of all time for me.
I highly recommend that most list btw. Very fun progression system and combat is addictive.
Endings suck though. I hate them all lmao. I just go Divine every time.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 13, 2024 20:17:57 GMT
The first time I saw the game, BG3, I told myself I would go for Lae'zel, but adored Shadowheart, fell in love with her. So I went for her in my first playthrough. Loved it. love her. That was awesome. I tried a second playthrough, with Lae"zel this time, aaaaaand, I also fell in love too. Loved it, love her. That was awesome. I'm now totally torn apart.  Something is sure, BG3 is literally the first game where I have so much difficulty to choose between two female characters, as my LI. Every single new playtrhough, I keep balancing between the two. It just shows how the writting of the companions in this game is that good. I don't think Bioware ever succeeded such thing. Easily Morrigan in DAO, Isabela in DAII, Josephine in DAI. Ashley in M1, Miranda in Mass effect 2. Never struggled. Karlach was also a lovely character. Actually, I liked all the character, even the goody two shoes Wyll. Loved Astarion. When I compare his writting to Lucanis it's something else. A breath of air honestly. Totally agree. In BG3 I find myself caring even for the side characters like Hope and Barcus (who should have been a companion). Some of the villains are so well done - Ketheric for example or Orin, when you get to find out her story.
I don't dislike any companion, apart from Halsin, but he is just a meme anyway, and I never had that in any game before.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 13, 2024 20:20:35 GMT
As for Astarion - my point still stands, you just ignored it. It is a well made character, you just dislike it morally, or at least that's what it seems like. As for minthara - it's hardly the only way to break the game. I hate this aspect as well, but it still doesn't make it as a whole worse than the Veilguard when it comes to story and storytelling, Veilguard story is just so much worse lmao I don't think Astarion's approval tags are well thought out. That's what I'm saying here. Clearly, bringing him to a goody two shoes quest would make him mad. He just disapproves of any remotely "good-aligned" option even when the alternative makes our lives harder (which he presumably hates). Approval with him is tied to just picking evil options OR indulging the vampirism. It's not nuanced at all, unlike all the other companions. It took til Act 2 for Astarion to become more reasonable in the approval department, and by the end I thought his character arc was pretty great. It did not land at all at first though and it marred the entire relationship. Never needed him to love me, but I don't have to curate my DAVG missions to make companions like or dislike me. It's about clearly defined choices, not arbitrary approval bumps. Regarding Minthara, that's just bias in favor of BG3 then. DAVG does not break when you make a RP choice expecting you to take another. That's limiting. I cannot recruit Minthara at all for a purely gameplay related reason. That's not good game design. It's kinda interesting how fixated you are on things I think are esoteric and completely disregard others I consider crucial. Which I assume it's why out opinions differ so much. As for Astarion - ok you dislike evil characters. It doesn't make him a badly written character. You don't even talk story, only mechanics. As for minthara, I said I agree with you. I complained about it like a week after the early access was released, because Minthara is not the only one with the potential to break the narrative. And yet, the important thing to understand here is that it's not a bug, it's part of the game. Larian cares more about providing cool choices than to make the story fully cohesive. The Veilguard is much more cohesive, but it's also boring lack any interesting character or nuance. So still worse in my book, even though like I said, I can't think of any Bioware game before 2015 which is worse than BG3 |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 13, 2024 20:23:52 GMT
Halsin is probably the only character that I hated more than Gale, blatant fan service. What?? Halsin is such a sweet guy! Fan service how? Because of the bear sex? I really liked his personality, just wish his voice actor didn't sound so forced and unnatural. And that he had more content. I didn't find him physically appealing at all so he was low on my romance list but in real life he'd be the one with the most attractive personality to me. Tree hugger nature lover, yes! |
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Post by grallon on Nov 13, 2024 20:24:57 GMT
Also I liked the dream lover they had in the early access version much better than the Guardian that replaced it. What a twist. You have a tadpole in your head and it appears as a seductive dream lover and rewards you with wet dreams if you give in to it. That would've been a compelling reason to play someone going down the tadpole route. I wonder why they changed that.
Yet another thing that would make heads explode at present-day Bioware I'm sure. That was IMO one of the major flaw of the BG3 narrative - the insertion of that character as a mandatory plot device. We should have had the opportunity to kill him right then and there (when he is first unmasked).
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