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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 13:51:25 GMT
Ending 3.6/5, so even that doesn't really sound all that great to me after every review said it was REALLY good and worth suffering through 90% of the game... It definitely gives...something... to Solalavellans, but in the same way the entirety of DAV gives you something pretty light on conflict. It was also very short. I liked the ending I chose the first blind time. End game tone spoilers One of the endings, the one that involves the Inqusitor and Mythal, is like some sort of therapy intervention for Solas. But ultimately, the veil remains up on all choices. and even the bad ending, Rook and friends are all heros beloved forevermore.
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 13:53:48 GMT
Imagine Hawke going full Rivalry route with Taash, Neve or even Emmrich. oh my gosh, telling Taash I support their journey but also calling them out for being an immature asshole with their mom would be deeply satisfying. I don't know that I ever found Neve or Emmrich's reactions to be... wait, when Emmrich said we'd failed because of unresolved fee fees and then needed to spend time resolving our fee fees or we'd never succeed. I would have loved a slam the fist on the table option and calling them all out for nodding along to that.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 17, 2024 14:05:09 GMT
He's not actually got a demon. Spite is the name he gave it because he thought it was a demon. It's actually a spirit of determination and like Justice and Anders, can be twisted over time I'm sure to actual spite if life brings it that way. But it's very possible that will never happen, because one can be determined about anything, quite amoral feeling that. Whereas Justice was a very moral spirit and harmed by the very real injustice that is Thedas. Right. But compared to Anders it's ridiculous how much of a non issue the whole drama actually ended up being. Anders was off his rocker and while it was frustrating how dumb Hawke was for not noticing what was going one and where it was leading while the player gets it pretty quickly at least that storyline was shocking and had something real to say about breaking a good man into doing more evil. How the spirit was corrupted by Anders' hatred and then Vengeance further corrupted him, if I recall correctly. What was the point of Spite, I don't get it. Other than more venatori=bad signalling. Spite is just here barking like an annoying dog everybody ignores. Completely harmless. Has no influence on Lucanis, says nothing about his personality. Boring AF. Just one more example of how lame of a copy of a former possessed character that was. I guess they needed an excuse to give him cheesy purple wings...
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 14:08:49 GMT
What was the point of Spite, I don't get it. Ummmmmmm.... I guess it's critical to why his romance is the way it was. And it allowed him to fly as a non mage. And it gave some, albeit muted, conflict among the companions.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 17, 2024 14:17:14 GMT
It's really just a story about a parent and kid not having good communication skills in spite of loving each other. It could be about non binary, or a career choice, or a romance, and it would still be that story. I think it being about non binary is so unique that the weight of the newness can make it seem its about being NB but it's really the parent/kid story. That is true. I'm currently doing the final mission of that arc. Everything about it is still annoying and cliche. Taash is fine outside of their own missions to me. The banter with the others is decent, even funny at times. Ignoring the annoying modern lingo, they're just an awkward teenager. Not really a good fit for the story and world but they're alright. Maybe if I was like 15 again I'd find that relatable, probably not though because I was not a rebellious misunderstood teen. But I guess plenty of kids find it relatable? Would be interested in data on how different age groups rated the companions. Neve is relatable as a reserved jaded introvert like myself. So maybe that's why I like her while others find her boring. Emmrich's issue is relatable to me as well. And I guess he's the most charismatic. Very good voice acting, just wish everything about him and his sidekick wasn't so Disney. So Neve remains is the only character I could even remotely imagine in any of the previous games (Harding is NOt the same character as before to me) and even that is a stretch tbh because of how a detective wouldn't have worked before.
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 14:20:50 GMT
but only if she's a Lavellan who romanced Solas. Oh, how disappointing, hadn't realized it was tied to that. Not that it mattered much, imo, no matter who you chose to romance, you haven't even kissed by this point so it felt amazingly awkward. What is there to gossip about, we haven't even held hands? I loved that the Inquisitor was sat there waxing romantic about a man who lied, manipulated and used her organization for his own ends. If it was a romanced Lavellan that vowed to stop Solas, it was a more balanced statement that was made. I didn't mind it. What I do mind is the ending that Lavellan does with Solas from start to finish. She forgives him for all of it? cold blood murdering Varric as well as everything else? If you tell Lavellan not to go with solas, you could head cannon that it was done to manipulate Solas into being bound to the Fade, I guess.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 17, 2024 14:21:11 GMT
What was the point of Spite, I don't get it. Ummmmmmm.... I guess it's critical to why his romance is the way it was. And it allowed him to fly as a non mage. And it gave some, albeit muted, conflict among the companions. Now I'm sort of curious how the romance unfolds. I'm having hilarious images in my head of Spite partaking in the lovemaking. Oh right, the "conflict" with Davrin. The Disney version of how characters in past games were ready to kill each other. Right. Totally worth it how that for resolved in five minutes of Rook therapy... I'll take Shadowheart actually killing Laezel if you just watch over whatever lame conflict DAV gave us.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 17, 2024 14:22:46 GMT
Guys I need your help. Explain to me what is so great about Emmrich in your opinion if at all? What do you think about the character and his arc?
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 14:40:25 GMT
Oh right, the "conflict" with Davrin. I think there is also some banter with Neve about it and Harding is also equally uncertain. Emmrich is perfectly okay with it, Taash is mostly just supportive that he has internal struggles. Don't think Bellara says much about Spite, really only takes issue with the whole assasin thing. Lucanis really likes Rook but his entire arc is sort of about not trusting himself because of Spite being inside. Doesn't even trust himself to sleep, which explains why he's always constantly drinking coffee even when it looks inappropriate. Kinda sweet when you think about it, that Anders has no concerns about taking the spirit Justice into a relationship, but Lucanis does. Apparently he also has little romantic experience, says Illario was always better with charming people.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 17, 2024 14:40:28 GMT
What was the point of Spite, I don't get it. Other than more venatori=bad signalling. Spite is just here barking like an annoying dog everybody ignores. Completely harmless. Has no influence on Lucanis, says nothing about his personality. Boring AF. He has one glorious moment but only if Lucanis is included in the section where Solas accompanies you: I've seen a conversation between Lucanis and Solas where the latter identifies it as a spirit of determination. I actually think this is one of the better bits of dialogue in the game. Solas says, correctly, that they were forced together against their will and it violated their personal freedom. So far so good, it is what you would expect him to say. Then he says that they could be separated again and seems to be hinting he could do it. Lucanis isn't eager to take him up on the offer, saying that he and Spite have come to an understanding. However, it is Spite's response that is interesting because he calls Solas a liar. Clearly, Spite could see through him and knew what ever he was suggesting was likely not in their best interests. I liked that because it was more in keeping with what I would expect from the setting.
Extra bit of irony, Solas had two best friends among the spirits of the Fade, the one we tried to save in DAI, who was a spirit of wisdom, and the other who was a spirit of purpose or determination. I would also note that from what I've seen of the personal quest, Spite did see through Illario and wanted to kill him after the confrontation with Zara but it is Lucanis who is in denial and prevents that from happening. So the conflict between them that is impacting on Lucanis' ability to hit his mark is not the fault of Spite, who seems to be doing his level best to keep him focused on being a trained assassin. I think that is what Spite believed he was agreeing to. Eventually, after Rook exorcises Lucanis' personal mental demons, as you say they are then working together harmoniously. Lucanis is the pussy who it is hard to visualise as a ruthless assassin; Spite is the real deal, no wonder he was disappointed at who he was lumbered with.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 17, 2024 14:41:24 GMT
Guys I need your help. Explain to me what is so great about Emmrich in your opinion if at all? What do you think about the character and his arc? For me aside from his relatable struggle with mortality it's just that we learn new things about spirits from him and how he relates to them. He's the most interesting to talk to and well acted. Not a character who would fit into the previous games at all, I think. But I find him quite well written. It's the Manfred stuff that's again played for cuteness that annoys me and takes out of it a lot. But if I divorce his character from past games he is an enjoyable character. A character who should be in a different game but a well written one for who he is.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 17, 2024 14:45:09 GMT
Guys I need your help. Explain to me what is so great about Emmrich in your opinion if at all? What do you think about the character and his arc? For me aside from his relatable struggle with mortality it's just that we learn new things about spirits from him and how he relates to them. He's the most interesting to talk to and well acted. Not a character who would fit into the previous games at all, I think. But I find him quite well written. It's the Manfred stuff that's again played for cuteness that annoys me and takes out of it a lot. But if I divorce his character from past games he is an enjoyable character. A character who should be in a different game but a well written one for who he is. Maybe I missed something, but all the spirit things was fine at best to me, and his struggle with mortality felt... Extremely shallow? I don't feel like there was anything that really made him to face it.. he talked about it a lot.. but his arc felt like it was mostly about that mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon evil lady than anything else...
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 17, 2024 14:48:56 GMT
Lucanis really likes Rook but his entire arc is sort of about not trusting himself because of Spite being inside. Doesn't even trust himself to sleep, which explains why he's always constantly drinking coffee even when it looks inappropriate. Kinda sweet when you think about it Everything about him (and the others) is so sugar sweet, that's the problem. None of them have any edge to them, anything one could disagree with or even be offended by except Taash. Which is I guess ironic because Kaidan (in ME1 anyway) is my favorite BioWare romance exactly because he was a quiet but confident and thoughtful introvert. A normal guy without major off-putting issues aside from the little drama about the girl he defended. It worked in Mass Effect, nothing about Lucanis works for me. Too much forced cuteness. The Disney vibe I really cannot get over. Such a terrible choice. If the characters looked and talked differently any of them could have been fine. It's the writing that is just so boring. The characters and their conflicts are fine on paper. The execution is the problem.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 17, 2024 14:50:55 GMT
I can't believe they dared to give us Spite after Anders and Justice.
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Post by Biotic Commando on Nov 17, 2024 14:54:18 GMT
Guys I need your help. Explain to me what is so great about Emmrich in your opinion if at all? What do you think about the character and his arc? Haven't played DAV but his design looks the most Shrek-esque. He seems like a character from Far Far Away
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 17, 2024 14:54:23 GMT
Maybe I missed something, but all the spirit things was fine at best to me, and his struggle with mortality felt... Extremely shallow? I don't feel like there was anything that really made him to face it.. he talked about it a lot.. but his arc felt like it was mostly about that mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon evil lady than anything else... Yeah his nemesis is definitely peak Disney. As for the rest, of course they could have gone deeper with it, have him talk more about that existential terror but it was enough for me to understand his struggle with it and his fear of the next step. We're talking DAV here, I'll take any halfway decent storytelling! At least he can string more than three words together and talk eloquently like a man or his age and education should. So listening to him doesn't feel like torture.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 17, 2024 14:57:14 GMT
Maybe I missed something, but all the spirit things was fine at best to me, and his struggle with mortality felt... Extremely shallow? I don't feel like there was anything that really made him to face it.. he talked about it a lot.. but his arc felt like it was mostly about that mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon evil lady than anything else... Yeah his nemesis is definitely peak Disney. As for the rest, of course they could have gone deeper with it, have him talk more about that existential terror but it was enough for me to understand his struggle with it and his fear of the next step. We're talking DAV here, I'll take any halfway decent storytelling! At least he can string more than three words together and talk eloquently like a man or his age and education should. So listening to him doesn't feel like torture. Fair enough. I was contemplating another playthrough to try and giving him more attention but I prefer to replay DAO and take a closer look at Oghren to see if he's as bad as people make him. And his nemesis doesn't even come close to being peak Disney. Scar, Jaffar, Frolo, Hades, she has nothing on them
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Post by Gwydden on Nov 17, 2024 15:05:40 GMT
Which is I guess ironic because Kaidan (in ME1 anyway) is my favorite BioWare romance exactly because he was a quiet but confident and thoughtful introvert. A normal guy without major off-putting issues aside from the little drama about the girl he defended. It worked in Mass Effect, nothing about Lucanis works for me. Too much forced cuteness. The Disney vibe I really cannot get over. Such a terrible choice. ME1 in general is emblematic of older Bioware when companions were relatively grounded and representative of common types in their setting. ME2 is the one that started the trend of companions having to be the coolest people ever with its main plot that's half recruiting for a heist and half assembling a superhero team. Even though I disliked Inquisition, I liked the companions there fine and thought they managed to avoid being drawn into the Mass Effect sequels' gravity well. But Veilguard's main reference appears to be ME2.
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Post by wright1978 on Nov 17, 2024 15:05:41 GMT
Side note are all the romance dialogues that unfathomly bad? Lucanis' culmination scene, dialogue wise, is good. My complaint is the timing of the romance scene and how short and PG it was. I went ahead and watched all the other romance culminations scenes (easy to do when each of them are TWO MINUTES long) and I'd say Neve and Davrin's are also solid if not my cup of tea. Hmm Just watched them on youtube bellara’s is even worse than those clips. I was honestly relieved when the YouTube ad interrupted it. trash’s I’d already guessed would be hideous. i’d already seen some of Harding’s which were so over the top saccarine they’d rot your teeth. that leaves neve the so called winner but I still thought there were moments that were extremely poor.. I used to love some of their hetero female romances but guess I’ll have to go back to tw3 for anything appealing. male romances definitely feel better handled. Davrin’s in particular felt very natural.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 17, 2024 15:55:39 GMT
For me aside from his relatable struggle with mortality it's just that we learn new things about spirits from him and how he relates to them. He's the most interesting to talk to and well acted. Not a character who would fit into the previous games at all, I think. But I find him quite well written. It's the Manfred stuff that's again played for cuteness that annoys me and takes out of it a lot. But if I divorce his character from past games he is an enjoyable character. A character who should be in a different game but a well written one for who he is. Maybe I missed something, but all the spirit things was fine at best to me, and his struggle with mortality felt... Extremely shallow? I don't feel like there was anything that really made him to face it.. he talked about it a lot.. but his arc felt like it was mostly about that mustache twirling Saturday morning cartoon evil lady than anything else... Well it depends on how you look at it. Ultimately, if you decide to make make him a lich, that process includes the possibility of dying for good, if the ritual goes wrong. and if you decide to resurrect Manfred, Emmrich does face mortality, as his only escape from his fear isn't available to him anymore. So while it's not.. perfectly explored, both of the options is him facing his fear of death one way or another. And that at least makes sense for his overall character development, which is more than you can say with other companion quests and their conclusions. I think in order to really get the most out of Emmrich you need to romance him, because his fear of death will be brought up in different ways depending on your choice, so if you make him a lich, his fear of dying changes to him fearing losing you instead, and you actually end up fighting about it during the last act. On the other hand, from what I've heard, if you save Manfred, the fight you have will be about him being a burden and that he will eventually die. Don't quote me on this though as I haven't seen it. I like Emmrich the most, but his voice acting was too whimsical, proper and gentle the entirety of the game no matter what happens, and his companion quest should've been about exploring the more serious side of his character, but they just doubled down on the Disney-esque, cartoonish elements and charisma of his character, and the antagonist of the quest was a straight up cartoon villain.
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Post by Biotic Commando on Nov 17, 2024 15:59:06 GMT
Lucanis' culmination scene, dialogue wise, is good. My complaint is the timing of the romance scene and how short and PG it was. I went ahead and watched all the other romance culminations scenes (easy to do when each of them are TWO MINUTES long) and I'd say Neve and Davrin's are also solid if not my cup of tea. Hmm Just watched them on youtube bellara’s is even worse than those clips. I was honestly relieved when the YouTube ad interrupted it. trash’s I’d already guessed would be hideous. i’d already seen some of Harding’s which were so over the top saccarine they’d rot your teeth. that leaves neve the so called winner but I still thought there were moments that were extremely poor.. I used to love some of their hetero female romances but guess I’ll have to go back to tw3 for anything appealing. male romances definitely feel better handled. Davrin’s in particular felt very natural. Honestly as far as romances go, The Witcher is still my main medieval fantasy game. Already in DAI they made the questionable decision of having only one romanceable female squadmate for either gender while having the second female romance be an npc advisor, while straight women and gay men got a higher number of romanceable squadmates. I always thought these uneven numbers were a bit strange. I thought the content of all said romances wasn't better or worse compared with each other though, at least there was that.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 17, 2024 16:05:43 GMT
Hmm Just watched them on youtube bellara’s is even worse than those clips. I was honestly relieved when the YouTube ad interrupted it. trash’s I’d already guessed would be hideous. i’d already seen some of Harding’s which were so over the top saccarine they’d rot your teeth. that leaves neve the so called winner but I still thought there were moments that were extremely poor.. I used to love some of their hetero female romances but guess I’ll have to go back to tw3 for anything appealing. male romances definitely feel better handled. Davrin’s in particular felt very natural. Honestly as far as romances go, The Witcher is still my main medieval fantasy game. Already in DAI they made the questionable decision of having only one romanceable female squadmate for either gender while having the second female romance be an npc advisor, while straight women and gay men got a higher number of romanceable squadmates. I always thought these uneven numbers were a bit strange. I thought the content of all said romances wasn't better or worse compared with each other though, at least there was that. Oh please, don't point at us gay men like we got dealt a great hand in Inquisition, or RPGs in general. Both romances end in a very clear LONG distance relationship. Dorian pushes you away from you the minute after you are done banging him for the first time, and Iron Bull still scoffs at you wanting to marry him in Trespasser. The actually romantic content is minimal. I was hoping that Dorian's romance would at least evolve into something bigger in Veilguard as Tevinter was made a big deal in Trespasser, but nah. So can't even fall back on Dorian's romance being somehow lore relevant.
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Post by Biotic Commando on Nov 17, 2024 16:08:34 GMT
Honestly as far as romances go, The Witcher is still my main medieval fantasy game. Already in DAI they made the questionable decision of having only one romanceable female squadmate for either gender while having the second female romance be an npc advisor, while straight women and gay men got a higher number of romanceable squadmates. I always thought these uneven numbers were a bit strange. I thought the content of all said romances wasn't better or worse compared with each other though, at least there was that. Oh please, don't point at us gay men like we got dealt a great hand in Inquisition, or RPGs in general. Both romances end in a very clear LONG distance relationship. Dorian pushes you away from you the minute after you are done banging him for the first time, and Iron Bull still scoffs at you wanting to marry him in Trespasser. The actually romantic content is minimal. I was hoping that Dorian's romance would at least evolve into something bigger in Veilguard as Tevinter was made a big deal in Trespasser, but nah. So can't even fall back on Dorian's romance being somehow lore relevant. I didn't say you got dealt a great hand, just that there were two romanceable male squadmates for gay men while straight men and lesbians only got one
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