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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Oct 20, 2024 20:24:40 GMT
Vivienne was great but so badly used in the overall game. Her personal quest with the marquis is weird. And doesn't bring much to the table. Yea I wasn't a fan of her personal quest, either. She offers a different perspective of Mage Towers so it would have been nice to visit hers, interact with people that know her, explore her fear of becoming an abomination. Basically get a chance to learn about what makes her tick and showing us her point of view of the mage/Templar conflict.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 20, 2024 21:42:38 GMT
and finally, the Falmer, I mean Solas. - If there's an option to kill him in DAV, then he can say, at least in death, he wasn't a failure. I found Solas to be an interesting character. But yes, I am kinda surprised he isn't calling everyone "mon-keigh"
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Post by Iakus on Oct 20, 2024 21:48:51 GMT
Vivienne - dope! One of my favorite companions in the series. I think Vivienne is a character Bioware would never make nowadays. Astarion's the only one I get a lot of innuendo from. Karlach's talk can get raunchy, but I don't get the impression she's hitting on me or anything. That said, I don't think every companion needs to really resonate with me. Or even should. THere should be a wide variety so there's something for everyone.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 20, 2024 22:03:07 GMT
and finally, the Falmer, I mean Solas. - If there's an option to kill him in DAV, then he can say, at least in death, he wasn't a failure. I found Solas to be an interesting character. But yes, I am kinda surprised he isn't calling everyone "mon-keigh" I don't. He's infuriating because he has knowledge the player can't have access to (and he blames everyone for not knowing what they can't possibly know) and he's untouchable. He fucks things up in a massive way, hurting the pc and friends, and still has the nerve to again blame the player. Also manage a woe is me just to really drive me batshit crazy. But beyond that, Solas was a rebel who did extreme things in an extreme situation. That was back in the days. Now he's given the absolute idiot ball, (and threw it to Cory). We're told he's extremely wise and competent but that's not what we're seeing whatsoever. He's an absolute idiot with far too much power. How did that idiot managed a rebellion and to put up the veil and locked up the best 7 mages Thedas ever had to deal with and contain the blight for a while is an absolute mystery. Must have been total luck. We're very probably getting the Solas sob story, how wounded he is, the sacrifice he had to make. I really don't care.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 20, 2024 22:33:30 GMT
There hasn’t been much coverage of Emerich or Taash. Neve and Lucanis are shoved front in center of most of the promotional material, followed closely by Bellara and Harding, but Emerich and Taash have been next to nonexistent This is very interesting. The obvious goal of marketing is to entice someone to buy your product. This is typically done by giving the best impression possible. If that’s the case here, why exactly have they hidden them away? Does that mean Nev and Bellara are the best we can expect? A terrifying prospect. It doesn’t mean they have to be bad. But BioWare has done everything possible to sale this game. Including giving pirates an engraved invitation. Experience and instinct says to be worried.
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Post by phoray on Oct 20, 2024 23:30:05 GMT
Lucanis and Neve are the closest to stereotypically hot they've created so of course they're front and center to entice.
Davrin is more my cup of tea but he's not in hiding either. Emrrich looks like an elderly man and Taash isn't stereotypically hot
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 21, 2024 1:32:05 GMT
That's true. But why do we know next to nothing about both characters? At least compared to the rest. Is Emmerich's gimmick going to be Manfred the whole game? We've heard and seen Harding, Bellara, and Neve in combat playthroughs. Playthroughs that might have included instructions on who players could use as companions. Haven't seen Taash or Emmerich inside the gameplay. Even Lucanis and Davrin have at least made an appearance in game. Brief and miniscule as it was. And the rumors about Taash's first impression aren't helping. Something doesn't add up, but hopefully it is as simple as you say.
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Post by yarus on Oct 21, 2024 3:10:11 GMT
Decided to take a look at old footage used to advertise Inquisition to compare to how they're marketing the current game.
This footage is unique as it's one that the devs, rather explicitly, would later to go onto to say was all a bunch of BS and smoke and mirrors used to bait gamers into buying the game, and was never intended to make its way into the final release. I always find it weird how the devs at Bioware almost gloated about how skillfully they tricked players into getting excited for the game.
Also, shout out to the "Nahashin Marshes" and "The Southern Desolation" - loved visiting those regions in DAI /s
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 21, 2024 7:31:02 GMT
He's infuriating because he has knowledge the player can't have access to (and he blames everyone for not knowing what they can't possibly know) and he's untouchable. He fucks things up in a massive way, hurting the pc and friends, and still has the nerve to again blame the player. Also manage a woe is me just to really drive me batshit crazy. But that's exactly why he's interesting imo. Because he's such a colossal hypocrite and asshole. He's super flawed and his reasonings are maddening. A character you can hate or pity for his fuckups are well written to me. Sera too annoyed the crap out of me but she was still well written. She made sense. Solas made sense. To me Solas is the best written BioWare villain. He *is* a complex character. I love villains that start out as good guys or at least somebody who tried to do the right thing. The fact that people have had arguments about him and how deserving he is of redemption is proof that he's an interesting character.
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Post by helios969 on Oct 21, 2024 7:49:35 GMT
The DAI companions are my favorite! I mostly agree simply because they were the most fleshed out (even though my fondest memories lie with the Origin characters). Cassandra, Dorian, and Sera were far and away my favorites; Cassandra and Dorian friendship arcs and Sera's romance. I know Sera is probably one of the most hated but I loved her irreverence and raunchiness, and that she is the most layered character (also the most difficult to romance). Sera is just a persona...having rejected her noble upbringing...at rare times refined speaking leaks out of her. She's young, immature, and trying to find herself and place in the world. I can imagine 10 years in her future with her looking back somewhat embarrassed by her antics. Not trying to convert anyone btw. My least favorites were Viviane, Blackwall, and Cole. Blackwall was boring and the big reveal wasn't even that surprising. Cole was just plain weird and the kind of weirdness that just didn't resonate with me. Viviane was the exact type of person in real life I hate most...the "I'm superior to everyone" attitude and a power grasper. The only thing she had going for her was her looks...best looking female imo. Perhaps if she had been romanceable I could have gotten past the exterior to find something more...but alas her personal arc was not especially interesting. And I certainly wouldn't have hand her the power of the Divine. Cassandra was the only reasonable choice to me...since Mother Giselle wasn't an option (she'd been my choice).
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Post by fraggle on Oct 21, 2024 8:15:36 GMT
I learned that Bioware characters (almost) always deserve a second chance from me Apparently my fav characters either stem from Gaider or Weekes. Alistair, Zevran, Morrigan, Cole, Fenris, Aveline, Dorian, Cass... love them all. There are characters I loathed at first, for example Miranda in ME, and Sera was definitely frigging weird I didn't like Sten, Isabela, Leliana (in DAO), and some characters I liked at first got weaker the more I played, but also the other way around, where I developed respect for certain characters. It fascinates me a lot since only Bioware characters manage to pull that off for me (so far at least. I have yet to play BG3 for example...). But they are often worth another look imo. I roleplay a lot of different characters and it's fun that sometimes my characters can agree with companions I don't necessarily like so much. And the BANTER is a hoot! I ran with Viv and Sera lately and it was so hilarious. It's what Bioware always did well. I really hope it will still be. Only 10 more days. Gah.
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Post by helios969 on Oct 21, 2024 8:19:56 GMT
As far as the poll above goes...I prefer not having restrictions but will do my best to abide. Hopefully Sofa... starts a thread for reviews without restrictions. I plan on reviewing the hell of this game...the good, the bad, and the ugly, (waha, waha, wah...)
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Post by helios969 on Oct 21, 2024 8:22:42 GMT
I ran with Viv and Sera lately and it was so hilarious. My son really loved that too. To me nothing beats Leliana trolling Sten... softy.
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Post by fraggle on Oct 21, 2024 8:32:45 GMT
I ran with Viv and Sera lately and it was so hilarious. My son really loved that too. To me nothing beats Leliana trolling Sten... softy. Sounds interesting! And that's exactly my problem. I want to play a lot different games, I do, but I always return to BW titles. I want to see many possible companion constellations because it's so much fun to discover them. It's the same reason I enjoy doing romances in these games, because it gives you a fair amount more insight into the characters as well
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Post by Reznore on Oct 21, 2024 8:42:34 GMT
He's infuriating because he has knowledge the player can't have access to (and he blames everyone for not knowing what they can't possibly know) and he's untouchable. He fucks things up in a massive way, hurting the pc and friends, and still has the nerve to again blame the player. Also manage a woe is me just to really drive me batshit crazy. But that's exactly why he's interesting imo. Because he's such a colossal hypocrite and asshole. He's super flawed and his reasonings are maddening. A character you can hate or pity for his fuckups are well written to me. Sera too annoyed the crap out of me but she was still well written. She made sense. Solas made sense. To me Solas is the best written BioWare villain. He *is* a complex character. I love villains that start out as good guys or at least somebody who tried to do the right thing. The fact that people have had arguments about him and how deserving he is of redemption is proof that he's an interesting character. I mean emotionally he works because he's so fucking annoying. But character wise he's all over the place, people wants to redeem him because the game tells you he's "wise" (lol) he cares about people (lol) and the writers use stuff like Cole or other spirit to say this nonsense to make you buy it. His romance, I feel bad for people who play that, because the dude dumps you twice, make you lose a limb, tell you to your face he'd rather go and destroy your world and everything you cherish but he doesn't want you to have a bad opinion of him and see him do the bad thing.Man got a reputation, he's not a monster...but you know he's so in love with you. He must be because the game says so. Lavellan is so not another sacrifice he's willing to make. He's so not redeemable they got him to leave little note to Varric in a comic "don't worry bro the catastrophe I'm planning won't be so bad, see ya" As a character he contradicts himself every 5 second as well. He's not a character with a strong arc, he's a character who is written with the idea HE's so redeemable and he's so not reddemable. And it's done in such a clumsy way. He's leaving little notes 'i aren't so bad" . Varric somehow now thinks Solas was a good friend. Same Varric who was infuriated with Anders btw. He blurt out part of his evilz plan with a sad concerned face to get you interested in next game, the terrible villain monologue. Then he's furious people try to stop him, but that's like the most logical thing in the world. He does a super dangerous ritual, knowing plenty of folks are after him, and take like zero real precaution. Then he's mad he's stopped. Is he fucking stupid or what? Like I'm going to suffer the moron while the game will try to sell me an idea about him, I can't buy at all. This isn't fun to me. The only thing he deserves is being flushed down the toilet of Thedas history, I'm not waiting for a dragon age 5, but if somehow it ever happen I don't want Solas around in any form.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 21, 2024 9:00:35 GMT
Stupidity, often at infuriating levels - in individuals and factions alike make BioWare's plots go round. Mages, templars, wardens, Orlesian court, Solas, goodness knows who else, almost everyone regularly does bafflingly stupid stuff that helps conjure the mess the protagonist is then tasked with cleaning up.
The game, it true BioWare "tell, don't show" fashion, tells you that Solas is so wise and such, but when does he ever act like that? No one calls him out on it, you can't call him out on it so I'm not sure if the writers even realize that. Reminds me a bit of Netflix's "Three Body Problem", where we are being told that the Oxford Five are so smart but they almost never act like it. In RPG terms the problem is that no one can write a character with a higher intelligence/wisdom score than his/her own.
As far as the banter goes... I think BioWare has been eclipsed there too. I have literally seen better in a co-op shooter (Fatshark's Darktide).
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Post by helios969 on Oct 21, 2024 9:12:44 GMT
I always return to BW titles. Me too...especially older titles. Maybe DAV becomes that but I'm skeptical because MEA I just have no interest in going back to...and I thought Anthem was just such a wasted opportunity...I really felt godlike in those suits - unfortunately there was little else to it and not nearly enough content. If the story and characters in DAV is good and it's not just "modern audience" messaging nonsense I'm sure I'll end up enjoying it. To this point I've just seen too many red flags to be anything but pessimistic. I will be buying, playing, and formulating my own opinion. My purchase will not make one bit of difference to the bottom line or success of this game. That'll be determine by casual gamers and whether Bioware/EA can convince them. I suspect much of that will be determine by Youtube influencer reviews since there is little trust left in the gaming "journalists."
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Post by Reznore on Oct 21, 2024 9:17:47 GMT
I'll forever miss the Arishok. He was coherant. You could be civil, but there was a red line there. You knew he'd blew up at one point, and when it happens it's like ok fair enough. Even sister Petrice was fairly ok, and annoying as all hell. And the game didn't pretend otherwise. Anders is obsessed, and annoying. Other companions get annoyed with him. Then through banter you can tell he's starting to loose it, and so again when he does his stupid thing. Sure you're mad but it makes sense for the Anders we got in DA2. The game doesn't try real hard to tell you how you should feel about him either.
Meredith started well, and took a red lyrium nosedive. And Orsino was sacrificed on the altar of we need more boss to fight.
There's something to be said about a game that was rushed, at least the writers didn't have time to overthink and try to make things appears more clever or deep than they actually were.
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Post by akrabra on Oct 21, 2024 9:37:56 GMT
and finally, the Falmer, I mean Solas. - If there's an option to kill him in DAV, then he can say, at least in death, he wasn't a failure. I found Solas to be an interesting character. But yes, I am kinda surprised he isn't calling everyone "mon-keigh" He Isnt as sadistic as our friends from Commoragh.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 21, 2024 9:48:39 GMT
I actually liked Awakening Anders, he was a roguish apostate who laughed at the deaths of his Templar pursuers and all that wanted from life was ale and girls. Then they turned him into a literal abomination in DA2 that had nothing to do with that. The supreme disappointment in my life was what they did to Anders in DA2. I had been so looking forward to having him as a companion again and the prospect of romancing him this time round. Then we did his first quest and I thought "what happened?" Never properly explained in game why he agreed to team up with Justice. Based off DAA I'd have thought Nathaniel was more likely as he was the one Justice spent the most time talking with. Apparently they also considered Velanna, who at least did have a chip on her shoulder against humans generally but probably the Chantry as well. Instead, they ruined my fun mage. Not only that but he went from ladies man in DAA to having a gay lover and he only told about Karl if he was in a gay relationship with Hawke. I never understood that. Why wasn't it relevant to a female Hawke? He also was all preachy about other mages' relationship with spirits/demons, in particular Merrill, giving her a hard time when he was an actual abomination. To cap it off, he was meant to have had a redemption arc in the Exalted March DLC but that was canceled. Poor Anders!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 21, 2024 10:43:47 GMT
Like I'm going to suffer the moron while the game will try to sell me an idea about him, I can't buy at all. This isn't fun to me. One thing we can agree on is that I'm super worried about pushing an opinion about Solas on the player, trying to make you feel sorry for him because he is so sad and full of regret. It's fine that he is but I want to be able to call him out on his bullshit and not just forgive it all because he's sad puppy now. I want romanced Lavellan to have a choice too how to deal with her ex lover. And preferably in more than 2 ways of full acceptance or murder knife hateful. I definitely understand where you're coming from being told stuff about Solas that's different from his actions. I always assumed it was deliberate that his opinion of himself is so much better than how he comes across. He deliberately deceives everyone too. I did enjoy the irony a lot how in the course of history his attempt at liberating the elves was forgotten and he was painted as a villain. Only to slowly realize that Dread Wolf is pretty damn accurate, lol. Solas may not see it that way but I think the player was supposed to see that while it's kinda tragic that he went from hero to villain, it's still his fault. He has more than earned this title now, even if it was based on a misunderstanding initially. Imo there is a lot of great funny tragic dumb stuff here that makes Solas an interesting character. But yeah, we'll see if the complexity goes out the window and it's all poor poor Solas in DAV.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 21, 2024 12:14:10 GMT
Solas did nothing wrong. Free Solas!
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Post by Reznore on Oct 21, 2024 12:23:58 GMT
Solas did nothing wrong. Free Solas!
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Post by Iddy on Oct 21, 2024 13:04:10 GMT
Stupidity, often at infuriating levels - in individuals and factions alike make BioWare's plots go round. Mages, templars, wardens, Orlesian court, Solas, goodness knows who else, almost everyone regularly does bafflingly stupid stuff that helps conjure the mess the protagonist is then tasked with cleaning up. The game, it true BioWare "tell, don't show" fashion, tells you that Solas is so wise and such, but when does he ever act like that? No one calls him out on it, you can't call him out on it so I'm not sure if the writers even realize that. Reminds me a bit of Netflix's "Three Body Problem", where we are being told that the Oxford Five are so smart but they almost never act like it. In RPG terms the problem is that no one can write a character with a higher intelligence/wisdom score than his/her own. As far as the banter goes... I think BioWare has been eclipsed there too. I have literally seen better in a co-op shooter (Fatshark's Darktide). Veilguard's main plot only happened because Solas couldn't just say "Stop! You're going to release the elven gods!"
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Post by Reznore on Oct 21, 2024 13:10:37 GMT
Stupidity, often at infuriating levels - in individuals and factions alike make BioWare's plots go round. Mages, templars, wardens, Orlesian court, Solas, goodness knows who else, almost everyone regularly does bafflingly stupid stuff that helps conjure the mess the protagonist is then tasked with cleaning up. The game, it true BioWare "tell, don't show" fashion, tells you that Solas is so wise and such, but when does he ever act like that? No one calls him out on it, you can't call him out on it so I'm not sure if the writers even realize that. Reminds me a bit of Netflix's "Three Body Problem", where we are being told that the Oxford Five are so smart but they almost never act like it. In RPG terms the problem is that no one can write a character with a higher intelligence/wisdom score than his/her own. As far as the banter goes... I think BioWare has been eclipsed there too. I have literally seen better in a co-op shooter (Fatshark's Darktide). Veilguard's main plot only happened because Solas couldn't just say "Stop! You're going to release the elven gods!".. Solas has "plans" that are "beyond our comprehension". Trapped ubber monster are too complicated, Varric after freeing Coryphanus by accident can't understand that hard concept.
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