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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 20, 2024 11:04:59 GMT
The djinn quest was awesome and told the player a lot about Yen's insecurities. I'm torn to romancing Triss (conceptually) but more than anything, the Djinn quest is the killer. I just can't sit there on the side of the ship and turn Yen down.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 20, 2024 12:16:33 GMT
CDPR did a good job capturing the complexity of Yen and Geralt's relationship, but not so much with Yen and Ciri... It's a great love story, a realistic one where they hurt each other all the time because of insecurities. But most of all it's a story about family. Found family too. Also applies to Geralt's amazing friends who always have his back. So DAV, you have some big shoes to fill for me to be impressed with your Veilguard found family. Oh that dog just aint gon' hunt. Dave doesn't have a prayer of filling those shoes. And to be fair, few games do. But Bioware was indeed a studio I would expect to more than answer that challenge. It would be moderately impressive if they can make them as good as or better than the Andromeda companions...Which were somehow worse than the ship companions(Kallo, Luvi, Lexi, Gil), with the only exception being Drack and perhaps Vetra. Inquisition gets a lot of flack but I genuinely enjoyed the characters. Especially the ones I didn't like. From what we've seen so far, if the characters in Dave have to do the heavy lifting, the prognosis doesn't appear favorable.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 20, 2024 14:17:43 GMT
Inquisition gets a lot of flack but I genuinely enjoyed the characters. Especially the ones I didn't like. From what we've seen so far, if the characters in Dave have to do the heavy lifting, the prognosis doesn't appear favorable. The DAI companions are my favorite! There wasn't a single badly written one among them imo. Blackwall was boring to talk to but not badly written and he did have super fun banter with Sera. There are characters that annoyed me personality-wise, Sera and Viv, but they were well written too. The advisors were good too. Morrigan and Leliana had such great character development in opposite directions. I couldn't stand Leliana in DAO but now unhinged Leliana was intriguing. I loved DAI at the time. The singleplayer MMO approach didn't age too well and the Coryfish main story sucked ass. But the last third of the game with the elven stuff is my favorite thing in all of DA. So technically DA hasn't let me down yet and the whole found family trope is my absolute favorite one, plus elven focus, yes!, so on paper this all sounds great. I'm just so meh about the writing and characterization and even the voice acting so far from the bits we've seen of official promo material. I'm staying away from specific story spoilers. Difficult to be excited after Andromeda and Anthem. And after BG3 the drop in quality of ANY RPG in comparison is another factor. I want this game to be great but I'd bet my savings that it will be mediocre at best. MEA was a 6/10 as a standalone game and a 2/10 as a Mass Effect game to me. That's about what I expect from DAV. Okish as its own thing.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 20, 2024 15:14:20 GMT
Inquisition gets a lot of flack but I genuinely enjoyed the characters. Especially the ones I didn't like. From what we've seen so far, if the characters in Dave have to do the heavy lifting, the prognosis doesn't appear favorable. The DAI companions are my favorite! There wasn't a single badly written one among them imo. Blackwall was boring to talk to but not badly written and he did have super fun banter with Sera. There are characters that annoyed me personality-wise, Sera and Viv, but they were well written too. The advisors were good too. Morrigan and Leliana had such great character development in opposite directions. I couldn't stand Leliana in DAO but now unhinged Leliana was intriguing. Loved Vivienne. Especially because at first I disagreed with her intensely. I used to be rabidly pro-mage. As in mages should be free without restrictions or at the very least that education shouldn't involve confinement to a tower. Anyone who was around in the old days of original BSN could tell you that. And she challenged my views in compelling ways. I eventually came 'round the other side and started to agree with her years later. Great character. Sera I wavered back and forth on. Wanted to get rid of her but felt I would be cheapening my experience by doing so. She still confuses me but I respect her as a character. And murderpope Leliana was fun to develop. It felt like a Sidious/Anakin dynamic. Very enjoyable to foster. Corypheus was a lost opportunity. He had such great promise with his attack on Haven. Everything was great. He looked cool, sounded cooler, and he had a fucking dragon. He comes in. Wrecks your shit and you're left to pick up the pieces. I believe the misstep with him was having him being beaten the entire rest of the game. You were always up and he was always losing. It should have been something of a miracle to defeat him at the end and not an inevitability. The maps were beautiful to look at. Had the banter been more plentiful it would have taken the punch away of how lifeless they felt sometimes. I recall Larian putting out a press statement that can be summed up as 'no other rpg should be compared to BG3' because it was that good. A fine effort, but the comparisons will always be there. If Larian can do it, why not Bioware? A good and reasonable question. Dave's voice acting is all over the place. Solas, Varric, and Harding are the stand outs so far. I heard Lucanis make some marvel quip in a promo 'THaT wAs SuPpOsEd tO bE qUiET' and cringed a little. Neve sounds bored most of the time. I don't think I need to address Bellara, but in case my opinion is not known, I do not like the way she sounds at all. Don't like her intro. Don't like her particular bubbliness. Kelly from ME2 was bubbly and I enjoyed her, so they are capable of doing it correctly. They simply haven't in her case. Taash seems fine. Hopefully she has a character that exists outside of her orientation. Emmerich looks like another stand out, but we'll see. And Davrin is fine. I believe he was authored by Garrus Vakarian's writer, so it should at least be inoffensive at the very least. Couldn't have said it better.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 20, 2024 15:26:27 GMT
Added a quick poll so that thread members can decide how spoilers will be treated after game launch.
Your decision is unique from the 'other' thread. You might choose the same or different.
Thanks.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 20, 2024 17:09:27 GMT
I will never understand why people were impressed by BG3 companions. I don't know the term for it but they all were I'm so good at magic the goddess of magic needs my D style writing. I think Karlach had a great voice actress, but a demon lord is obsessed with me for y skills and i have a demonic engine in my heart. I eye rolled through the entire game. I wanted to avoid the camp because I didn't want to talk to them anymore about 1/2 way into act 2.
The gameplay really good. the story and characters meh.
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Post by akrabra on Oct 20, 2024 17:19:36 GMT
I will never understand why people were impressed by BG3 companions. I don't know the term for it but they all were I'm so good at magic the goddess of magic needs my D style writing. I think Karlach had a great voice actress, but a demon lord is obsessed with me for y skills and i have a demonic engine in my heart. I eye rolled through the entire game. I wanted to avoid the camp because I didn't want to talk to them anymore about 1/2 way into act 2. The gameplay really good. the story and characters meh. Agreed on most of the companions. I think Astarion and Shadowheart are the stand outs for me, and to some degree Lae'Zel. Which Is why that Is my party every playthrough. They have believeable arcs with growth that pays off or goes sideways on you.
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Post by Liepsnele on Oct 20, 2024 17:34:39 GMT
I will never understand why people were impressed by BG3 companions. I don't know the term for it but they all were I'm so good at magic the goddess of magic needs my D style writing. I think Karlach had a great voice actress, but a demon lord is obsessed with me for y skills and i have a demonic engine in my heart. I eye rolled through the entire game. I wanted to avoid the camp because I didn't want to talk to them anymore about 1/2 way into act 2. The gameplay really good. the story and characters meh. I think what makes BG3 stand out is the abundance of choice and reactivity at least in Acts 1 & 2. It falls apart quickly once Act 3 is reached. It was a really fun game but for some reason I can replay Dragon Age multiple times whereas I only finished one playthrough of BG3.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Oct 20, 2024 17:55:29 GMT
DAI - The companions were great characters, but they were not great companions to me, just co-workers/subordinates.
Obvious bias with DA2, but Varric just never felt right in DAI. However his dialogue with other companions was fantastic.
Bull - had so much depth, but he doesn't really know who he is or what he wants after the brainwashing. He's just a chameleon so couldn't really vibe with him.
Blackwall - felt incomplete. Narcissist in his past life, then completely flips to wanting to help people. Yea, some of his selfishness leaks out in certain conversations, but would have been interesting if his previous personality leaked out more. Outside of the big twist, he's bland and a bit dumb.
Sera - Loved that her high emotional intelligence made up for her lack of knowledge. I appreciate she was like the young cocky intern in comparison to everyone else. However, trying to discuss any conflicting opinions felt like trying to have a discussion with someone defensive on an Internet forum.
Cole - cool to see a prominent book character be a companion. He had a hell of an entrance and very interesting dialogue with other companions. However, he never felt like my companion.
Vivienne - dope! One of my favorite companions in the series.
Solas - dope character, boring companion outside of dialogue with other companions.
Dorian - dope, but shallow. Still hate that his personal quest revolved around his sexuality instead of giving him more depth.
Cass - dope.
BG3 - I only like Lae'Zel and Shadowheart, the rest bore me. Every time I chat with them it gets sexual somehow too, so I just don't bother anymore. I just got Minthara though and she seems promising.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 20, 2024 18:16:38 GMT
ah yes, companions in DA
The worst companion was the abomination calling itself Anders. I didn't like him in Awakening and certainty didn't like him in DA2. I didn't like him being a forced companion in DA2.
Merrill. What a stupid elf. Making a deal with demon. Another character that is a forced companion.
Oghren - If there's ever a game made called Here Comes the Slob, he would be the main character. The one thing that stood out the most is him dying, a lot.
Sera - The best thing I can say about her is she isn't a forced companion and the player can tell her to get lost after recruiting her.
Blackwall - I'm glad there's an option not to recruit him, and if recruited, leave him in prison. It's too bad he couldn't be an option to leave in the fade, if taken.
and finally, the Falmer, I mean Solas. - If there's an option to kill him in DAV, then he can say, at least in death, he wasn't a failure.
In regards to the poll, I voted no restrictions.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 20, 2024 18:22:02 GMT
Every time I chat with them it gets sexual somehow too, so I just don't bother anymore. I just got Minthara though and she seems promising. I have bad news for you, lol. I can understand the horniness putting people off. It is excessive. But really, nothing in BG3 is worse than femShep talking to Jacob or the infamous "I want you" when talking to Thane about his dead wife! I really do not like most BioWare romances. Romancing Shadowheart as an evil person and utterly corrupting her is one of the most fucked up sad things I've ever done in a game. I loved it! Beats driving Tali to suicide with evil Shepard. I don't enjoy doing evil things but I enjoy seeing what happens. Agreed that not all BG3 companions are super compelling. SH and Astarion are definitely the ones with he biggest arcs. Laezel is also very good. Gale annoyed the crap out of me as a person. Some of the late additions don't get enough screen time. I thought the companions of BG3 were very Bioware-esque and yet totally different. BioWare has a unique style that I used to love until Andromeda. BioWare in their glory days will always remain my favorite RPG experiences despite often just having the illusion of meaningful choices and outcomes. I just loved that particular brand of inspiring hero narrative where everything is a team effort. BioWare banter was BioWare Magic. I want this back but I'm not hopeful. BG3 is definitely the most reactive RPG on the market. That alone will not make everyone love it and that's OK. There will be people who prefer DAV over BG3. In general though the comparisons will be inevitable and YouTube will be full of videos ripping DAV. Deserved or not the internet hate train will happen. It's how it works these days. Rage bait rules. And BG3 comparisons are easy content. Some games make almost any other game look bad. Like how facial animations in any game just suck compared to Naughty Dog's. Their games look so good, it's not an area where anybody can win. And BG3 will be used for years to tear down other games. And I do kind of pity BioWare for that.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 20, 2024 18:53:14 GMT
DAI companions had the issues of having to lore dump on you. It felt like they were talking at you and not with you. Lots of tell don't show. Vivienne was great but so badly used in the overall game. Her personal quest with the marquis is weird. And doesn't bring much to the table. Cole I loved in Asunder, didn't like him in DAI. Again he story dumps stuff about Asunder. Then he does his weird spirit stuff, and I don't care for spirits. Whatever he says is taken as gospel. Because spirit. Sera was a bit of a mess, in the sense of why you're having her around. But she's the slice of everyday life character of DAI. Lots of care was put in her character, she has a tavern song, her bees grenade, her journal, her Dagna possible romance. She has a very strong reaction to the temple of Mythal. Sera issue was the Inquisitor, terrible character for her to bounce off of. Sera and purple Hawke would have been a riot. Dorian is beautiful and sassy. Loved him. Didn't care for his personal quest however. Cass again has to story dump a lot, then take a backseat when you're named Inquisitor for whatever reason. Bull. Didn't like. He was cool to take out and kill dragons, as in banter wise. Gameplay wise pretty terrible. All over the place character. Felt like I had a vietnam soldier/James Bond/ Bondage daddy/Psychic/cool mercenary boss/More open minded than you guy all wrapped into one. Felt like the memo was write "Kewl Quanri" and it went downhill from there. Solas. Was written to be untouchable. He knows more somehow. He saw it "in the Fade". Problem is there's been plenty of mages who could access the fade through the ages, and no one was known as an absolute ancient elves expert. Because that aren't a thing. The game tries hard to sell you he's a well of wisdom when he's a prime example of high intel low wisdom. He's also short signed in his companions banter. Varric is master Yoda compared to the guy. Blackwall dry and offputting with Inky. Massive chip on shoulder guy. It's like he has two personalities when you listen to his companion banter.Still enjoyed him Varric is varric. He didn't work so well with the Inky. But forever the best dwarf. BG3 companion...well acted, good cinematics. Wyll is obviously the not so well done one. I didn't like how you could sway most of them, or ignore some stuff about them. Lae Zel is evil as her race is evil, and that never changes really. But the game doesn't linger on that point. Gale can go from I want to be a God, to nope I'm fine with being me. Astarion is an evil funny little shit, and like Lae Zel it gets hidden under the carpet. If he goes full evil the game has an excuse for it. Karlach was a bodyguard for an actual arm dealer. But she's shown as pure and funny. Like not someone who had to beat innocent people up at times. Poor Halsin had potential but ended up a thirstrap. Jaheira is wonderful. The best. We'll see how DATV companion fares. I rarely really dislike companions. Truthfully no one will ever compare to the best companion character made in gaming history. The wonderful Kim Kitsuragi.
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Oct 20, 2024 19:02:23 GMT
Since we're talking companions, I'd say the ones I truly like from DA are Morrigan, Leliana, Sigrun, Nathaniel, Velanna (voiced by Grey DeLisle, how can I not like her), Isabella, Bethany and Cassandra (I did prefer her in DA2 though).
I actually liked Awakening Anders, he was a roguish apostate who laughed at the deaths of his Templar pursuers and all that wanted from life was ale and girls. Then they turned him into a literal abomination in DA2 that had nothing to do with that.
From BG3 I only really like Shadowheart, but I LOVE her so much I don't care that I don't care about any of the others. Karlach is fine though, but she ain't SH.
I suspect Harding will be the only squadmate I'll truly like from DATV. Then again, female dwarves is DA's specialty.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Oct 20, 2024 19:05:10 GMT
Every time I chat with them it gets sexual somehow too, so I just don't bother anymore. I just got Minthara though and she seems promising. I have bad news for you, lol. Ha, been there done that. It was dope, confusing, but dope. If there are any Veilguard comparisons made to Larian, the most important is that they are an independent developer. I can't tell you enough how important it is to be able to create games without a parent company breathing down their neck. Especially if they get involved, or even worse, mandate creative decisions.
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Post by yarus on Oct 20, 2024 19:09:46 GMT
There hasn’t been much coverage of Emerich or Taash.
Neve and Lucanis are shoved front in center of most of the promotional material, followed closely by Bellara and Harding, but Emerich and Taash have been next to nonexistent
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Post by ahglock on Oct 20, 2024 19:25:08 GMT
I will never understand why people were impressed by BG3 companions. I don't know the term for it but they all were I'm so good at magic the goddess of magic needs my D style writing. I think Karlach had a great voice actress, but a demon lord is obsessed with me for y skills and i have a demonic engine in my heart. I eye rolled through the entire game. I wanted to avoid the camp because I didn't want to talk to them anymore about 1/2 way into act 2. The gameplay really good. the story and characters meh. Agreed on most of the companions. I think Astarion and Shadowheart are the stand outs for me, and to some degree Lae'Zel. Which Is why that Is my party every playthrough. They have believeable arcs with growth that pays off or goes sideways on you. Shadowheart had a interesting arc to some degree, but I'm an amnesiac chosen for a super important mission form my god start was meh. astarion maybe its fixed now, but my 1st 3ish conversations with him.
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Him, "there is something I should tell you" Me, you are a the most obvious vampire in the history of vampires??? Him " you knew???" conversation 2.
Him, " I have to tell you a secret, I'm a vampire" Me my only options variations on "OH MY GOD how could you keep such a secret form me" conversation 3. "I have to tell you something" Me"I'm out, we are not talking ever again."
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Post by ahglock on Oct 20, 2024 19:27:32 GMT
I will never understand why people were impressed by BG3 companions. I don't know the term for it but they all were I'm so good at magic the goddess of magic needs my D style writing. I think Karlach had a great voice actress, but a demon lord is obsessed with me for y skills and i have a demonic engine in my heart. I eye rolled through the entire game. I wanted to avoid the camp because I didn't want to talk to them anymore about 1/2 way into act 2. The gameplay really good. the story and characters meh. I think what makes BG3 stand out is the abundance of choice and reactivity at least in Acts 1 & 2. It falls apart quickly once Act 3 is reached. It was a really fun game but for some reason I can replay Dragon Age multiple times whereas I only finished one playthrough of BG3.
The only reason i am considering playing it again are mods that allow me to play a Genie Pact warlock. But yeah, I played it once and i felt done. DAI while not my favorite DA, i have played through 3 times.
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Post by grallon on Oct 20, 2024 19:30:32 GMT
Vivienne - dope! One of my favorite companions in the series. Vivienne was great but so badly used in the overall game. Her personal quest with the marquis is weird. And doesn't bring much to the table. Would have loved if she'd somehow maneuvered herself amongst the advisors and try to undermine/usurp the Inquisitor's authority. There was a bit of that after recruiting the mages but not enough; probably too much depth (writing) required. Reznore you mean Duke de Ghislain? Her lover? Her quest felt like an afterthought. I always found there were too many potential companions in DAI. ----- Jaheira is wonderful. The best. It would have made so much more send if she'd been in Halsin's position. ----- Agreed that not all BG3 companions are super compelling. SH and Astarion are definitely the ones with he biggest arcs. Laezel is also very good. Lae'zel for me. Abrasive af in the beginning but also willing to expand her horizons as you progress - until she flowers if you romance her all the way. And I agree about the other two (Astarion was my go to romance). Mynthara was interesting and could have been more so but I always found she didn't mesh well with the others. The rest were quite the mixed bag. As an aside, don't you find it interesting we're here discussing companions from other games rather than those in the upcoming one? I find it quite telling. ----- EDIT: I voted full disclosure.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 20, 2024 19:43:24 GMT
Vivienne - dope! One of my favorite companions in the series. Vivienne was great but so badly used in the overall game. Her personal quest with the marquis is weird. And doesn't bring much to the table. Would have loved if she'd somehow maneuvered herself amongst the advisors and try to undermine/usurp the Inquisitor's authority. There was a bit of that after recruiting the mages but not enough; probably too much depth (writing) required. Reznore you mean Duke de Ghislain? Her lover? Her quest felt like an afterthought. I always found there were too many potential companions in DAI. Sorry, meant the Duke. Her lover you've never met just dying out of the blue, and go fetch me a wyvern heart darling thing. Wasn't the best.
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Post by grallon on Oct 20, 2024 19:49:08 GMT
Sorry, meant the Duke. Her lover you've never met just dying out of the blue, and go fetch me a wyvern heart darling thing. Wasn't the best. Well, it was to give her something to do and soften her outward ruthlessness no doubt. But the few glimpses of her true self we saw through Cole's probings would have been more interesting to explore - that and a more active role in the running of the Inquisition.
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As an aside, don't you find it interesting we're here discussing companions from other games rather than those in the upcoming one? I find it quite telling. ----- EDIT: I voted full disclosure. Well, we haven't seen much of them. Not much to discuss. I know a little about some of them from Tevinter Nights. And I liked them in these stories. How that translates into the game we'll see.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 20, 2024 19:57:05 GMT
Truthfully no one will ever compare to the best companion character made in gaming history. The wonderful Kim Kitsuragi. Ha, best man indeed! Loved him. Male Asian companions are so rare too. Gosh, always meant to replay after they added full voice acting. Special game. Was crushed when I heard there wasn't going to be a sequel. Criminal. Publishers should have been throwing money at the devs. Sigh.
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Post by fistoffiori on Oct 20, 2024 20:12:43 GMT
Well, we haven't seen much of them. Not much to discuss. I know a little about some of them from Tevinter Nights. And I liked them in these stories. How that translates into the game we'll see. Despite of course the reveal trailer this year not being great (didn't hate it though), I was still happy because 4 of the companions, plus Varric of course, I was pleased to see in the team from prior knowledge of them. Of course everyone knows Harding, but there's also Lucanis, Emmrich, and Neve from Tevinter Nights (the latter also appeared in the 'The Missing' comics). The short stories were written by writers who did the in-game characters so there's that. There's also non-companion characters I'm pleased to see again. I'll stick to what we've seen in previews (and spoiler box those we haven't officially seen), but Strife + Irelin, Evka + Antoine, Teia + Viago. I just hope they're written well here (Irelin's dialogue in the preview did seem a bit bland and exposition-y, though...). I just hope one character is done well that we haven't seen in games yet (spoiler box as she's been confirmed but might not be widely known)... Mae. She's been in the background of the franchise game wise (just war table stuff in Inquisition) but has appeared in comics and the book stories.
Hers and Dorian's group seem to align with Shadow Dragons goal wise too... Let that be good!
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Post by Reznore on Oct 20, 2024 20:17:41 GMT
Truthfully no one will ever compare to the best companion character made in gaming history. The wonderful Kim Kitsuragi. Ha, best man indeed! Loved him. Male Asian companions are so rare too. Gosh, always meant to replay after they added full voice acting. Special game. Was crushed when I heard there wasn't going to be a sequel. Criminal. Publishers should have been throwing money at the devs. Sigh. We're probably not getting any game like Disco Elysium for a long while, if it ever happens. You rarely get to be the crazy unhinged one while your companion has to coddle you and your mood swings. It was a rare and wonderful gem of a game.
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Post by 10k on Oct 20, 2024 20:19:26 GMT
I will never understand why people were impressed by BG3 companions. I don't know the term for it but they all were I'm so good at magic the goddess of magic needs my D style writing. I think Karlach had a great voice actress, but a demon lord is obsessed with me for y skills and i have a demonic engine in my heart. I eye rolled through the entire game. I wanted to avoid the camp because I didn't want to talk to them anymore about 1/2 way into act 2. The gameplay really good. the story and characters meh. I think that was the point of most of their characters. They were these well established people in the world, until the illithid infection. This is even hinted at even more playing as the dark urge. Because it was you who essentially started all these events, until Orin betrays you. And you lose your memory.
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