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Post by colfoley on Sept 15, 2020 5:35:51 GMT
So anything you all are looking forward to? All the philosophical conversations that are bound to result from its release.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 15, 2020 5:40:36 GMT
So anything you all are looking forward to? All the philosophical conversations that are bound to result from its release. I'm already stocking on popcorn
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Post by Son of Dorn on Sept 15, 2020 8:23:45 GMT
So anything you all are looking forward to? All the philosophical conversations that are bound to result from its release. Isn't that Bioware game threads 101?
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 15, 2020 9:15:50 GMT
The thing I am most looking forward to is finally knowing what's going to happen. 8 years of rampant forum speculations can be put to bed. We'll know. The forum will settle, no more asking for the Inquisitor, Solas will be done with either way..... then we'll count to 10 and the DA5 speculation can begin!
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 15, 2020 11:17:37 GMT
I'm just happy to get a new Dragon Age game. Yeah, more games these years are made following the "formula" (gender choices, romance options, story choices) but none are as well done or have engaged me as much. So, I keep my fingers crossed only for the game not having mandatory multi-player, since it's the only thing that would make me skip the game entirely.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 15, 2020 12:06:34 GMT
The theme of redemption is an eternal theme in fiction.
I would be very pleased if Solas could be redeemed in DA4. I was pleased to redeem Loghain in Origins. Both Saren and the Illusive Man had momentary possibilities of redemption. Arthur Morgan in Red Dead Redemption is all about, er, redemption. Just as modern day protagonist Layla Hassan is likely to be redeemed in Assassin's Creed. Like Kratos in God of War's entire arc is redemption (and I'm sure this repeats through gaming)
So bring it on.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 15, 2020 12:11:02 GMT
then we'll count to 10 and the DA5 speculation can begin! I think we'll need to count to 20 for DA5 speculations. At 10 we'll get all DA musical and nug simulator requests out of our system
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 15, 2020 12:12:20 GMT
So anything you all are looking forward to? I'm so, so excited to see northern Thedas - Tevinter, from the concept art maybe Antiva, Rivain, the Anderfels? I'd also really love to see Seheron and/or Par Vollen, but honestly the thought of visiting ANY of these places sustains me. They're all so different and interesting and I can't wait to explore them. I'm excited to see those sweet sweet HD next gen cameos (FENRIS. MERRILL. STEEEENNNNNN). I'M EXCITED TO SEE STENISHOK AAAAHHHHH (ok I know that's not a guarantee and I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment, but he's BABY let me dream). I'm excited that other people are excited! And I'm excited to fall in love with a whole new group of complicated people who the fandom absolutely cannot reach a consensus on. Basically,
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 15, 2020 12:22:08 GMT
The theme of redemption is an eternal theme in fiction. I would be very pleased if Solas could be redeemed in DA4. I'm hoping for a slightly different result. I want to have our view point of Solas redeemed. At some point, it would be nice to have an 'a-ha!' moment. Wherein we realize "so that's what he's all about. That is a problem and what he did is likely the only practical solution that he could see." That doesn't necessarily mean agreement or approval. But a fuller understanding of his motives would be nice. *cough* Anders *cough cough*
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Post by azarhal on Sept 15, 2020 12:43:09 GMT
I was pleased to redeem Loghain in Origins. Redeem? The "die by archdemon" is you sacrificing him so you can stay alive. The "turn into a Warden" is spiteful revenge. And the third option is where he lose his head right away. The major theme of Dragon Age is that people don't remember events with accuracy.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 15, 2020 12:54:16 GMT
I was pleased to redeem Loghain in Origins. Redeem? The "die by archdemon" is you sacrificing him so you can stay alive. The "turn into a Warden" is spiteful revenge. And the third option is where he lose his head right away. The major theme of Dragon Age is that people don't remember events with accuracy. Redemption doesn’t mean the redeemed person gets exactly what they want. Making him a Warden saves his life but keeps him out of political power (which is where he’s causing trouble). It can be framed as revenge for certain HoFs, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that way — or remain that way over time. By the time Here Lies the Abyss rolls around, he seems pretty content with being a Warden.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 15, 2020 14:14:31 GMT
Redeem? The "die by archdemon" is you sacrificing him so you can stay alive. The "turn into a Warden" is spiteful revenge. And the third option is where he lose his head right away. The major theme of Dragon Age is that people don't remember events with accuracy. Redemption doesn’t mean the redeemed person gets exactly what they want. Making him a Warden saves his life but keeps him out of political power (which is where he’s causing trouble). It can be framed as revenge for certain HoFs, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that way — or remain that way over time. By the time Here Lies the Abyss rolls around, he seems pretty content with being a Warden. Totally missing the point. Loghain can only achieve redemption if he dies killing the Archdemon, but most players will choose that option so their Warden doesn't die (and they refuse Morrigan's option) not to allow Loghain to save face. Making him a Warden and letting him lives gives no redemption to Loghain, it's just a punishment. The game story tries to sell it has the guy being redeemed but it's bullshit. But I see no reasons why anyone who played DAO would let Loghain live past the game unless they don't know what they are doing.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 15, 2020 15:32:40 GMT
Redemption doesn’t mean the redeemed person gets exactly what they want. Making him a Warden saves his life but keeps him out of political power (which is where he’s causing trouble). It can be framed as revenge for certain HoFs, but it doesn’t necessarily have to be that way — or remain that way over time. By the time Here Lies the Abyss rolls around, he seems pretty content with being a Warden. Totally missing the point. Loghain can only achieve redemption if he dies killing the Archdemon, but most players will choose that option so their Warden doesn't die (and they refuse Morrigan's option) not to allow Loghain to save face. Making him a Warden and letting him lives gives no redemption to Loghain, it's just a punishment. The game story tries to sell it has the guy being redeemed but it's bullshit. Depends on your theory of redemption. A lot of people view redemption as an active, continuous process to make things right, rather than a blood sacrifice to pay for someone’s sins. Especially since no one needs to die for the Archdemon. I know I keep harping on this, but death is not mandatory. Any ideology that claims death is necessary/noble is doing so because it wants to be able to spend humans to keep itself alive. It wants soldiers it can deploy against rival ideas. It’s the modern rebranding of laying people on altars and feeding their hearts to the gods. It only empowers the “gods” (I really mean “memes”, but “gods” is more poetic) in the end, not the humans who serve them. Those gods are dicks. It is perfectly reasonable to climb into heaven and shank them, rather than submitting to their demands. Anyone, on the topic of hype, I wonder if we’ll get to see Loghain at Weisshaupt?
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 15, 2020 15:41:15 GMT
The theme of redemption is an eternal theme in fiction. I would be very pleased if Solas could be redeemed in DA4. I'm hoping for a slightly different result. I want to have our view point of Solas redeemed. At some point, it would be nice to have an 'a-ha!' moment. Wherein we realize "so that's what he's all about. That is a problem and what he did is likely the only practical solution that he could see." That doesn't necessarily mean agreement or approval. But a fuller understanding of his motives would be nice. *cough* Anders *cough cough* That sounds infinitely more interesting than Solas suddenly seeing the error of his ways and saying oops
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 15, 2020 15:42:21 GMT
Anyone, on the topic of hype, I wonder if we’ll get to see Loghain at Weisshaupt? I hope so, he's one of my favourites. His arc thru DAI was really interesting to see
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 15, 2020 16:30:58 GMT
I'm hoping for a slightly different result. I want to have our view point of Solas redeemed. At some point, it would be nice to have an 'a-ha!' moment. Wherein we realize "so that's what he's all about. That is a problem and what he did is likely the only practical solution that he could see." That doesn't necessarily mean agreement or approval. But a fuller understanding of his motives would be nice. *cough* Anders *cough cough* That sounds infinitely more interesting than Solas suddenly seeing the error of his ways and saying oops Yeah, I’m definitely rooting for the “shadow Inquisition = slow arrow” theory. Aka “I need to find a way to stop the Evanuris without making them suspicious. Wait, hold on. I’m also an elven god. What if I get the Inquisition to research stopping me?” So he villain monologues and leaves out information and teaches the shadow Inquisition to watch out for ancient elves trying to spy on them. Meanwhile, the Evanuris are thinking “brilliant, they’re going after the guy we all hate, lol that dum-dum shot an arrow at himself”, not realizing it’s been barreling toward them the whole time.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 15, 2020 17:17:20 GMT
I’m not sure how BioWare would even finagle this kill-all choice. Like, I just want to kill Solas, preferably with a giant magical club on his egg head. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to beat a single elf like he owes me money and stop his magica-Thanos fade snap whatever the hell it is he’s trying to do. I like to have the main character be given the choice on how to kill the elf. Mine would lure the dog with a steak laced with poison. After eating it, the dog starts gagging, then dies. Or how about putting the knife ear theory to the test. Cut off his ears, then stab him to death with them? Either way, I believe Solas will end up screwing himself when doing his hocus pocus stuff. His plan backfires causing him to be banished, but at the same time releases the evanuris for the main character to deal with. So anything you all are looking forward to? how many long hair styles will be in the character creator screen what upgrades will each class receive that is different from DAI? Besides Solas and possibly Dorian, what other previous character will be seen in the game? fighting more and bigger dragons. Hopefully there will be dragon fighting in the game. If the Inquisitor makes an appearance, will there be a confrontation between him/her and Solas?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 15, 2020 17:57:15 GMT
The "die by archdemon" is you sacrificing him so you can stay alive. The "turn into a Warden" is spiteful revenge. And the third option is where he lose his head right away. As others have said, it can entirely depend on what your motivations are. In the case of my Cousland noble who spared him and married Anora, in the end Loghain actually wanted to sacrifice himself to save my guy and begged him not to take Morrigan's offer. So he didn't force him to do so in order that he could live. Turning him into a Warden could be seen as a shrewd political move to get Anora onside but also seemed both poetic justice in getting him as a replacement for the Wardens who had died at Ostagar and they benefitted from the expertise of a veteran commander to boot. It certainly wasn't done out of spite. As a result, the man who had been a hero to the people of Ferelden for what he did against Orlais, was able to redeem himself in death, once again saving his country. People still acknowledged his sacrifice even if Cousland got the title Hero of Ferelden.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 18:01:54 GMT
The theme of redemption is an eternal theme in fiction. I would be very pleased if Solas could be redeemed in DA4. I was pleased to redeem Loghain in Origins. Both Saren and the Illusive Man had momentary possibilities of redemption. Arthur Morgan in Red Dead Redemption is all about, er, redemption. Just as modern day protagonist Layla Hassan is likely to be redeemed in Assassin's Creed. Like Kratos in God of War's entire arc is redemption (and I'm sure this repeats through gaming) So bring it on. There is no redemption for genocide. Lighting wasn’t redeemed since he was forced to join. Killing yourself isn’t redemption. As for Layla, I more expect her murdering her friend and an asset to the cause in order to get her next fix being ignored if anything.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 15, 2020 18:04:22 GMT
There is no redemption for genocide. I understand you have concerns, but I have to say I don't share them. I'm a sucker for a comeback story and warm happy feelings are what a hype thread is all about.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 15, 2020 18:06:32 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 18:09:20 GMT
There is no redemption for genocide. I understand you have concerns, but I have to say I don't share them. I'm a sucker for a comeback story and warm happy feelings are what a hype thread is all about. Concerns? I’d say the mass murder of countless innocent people goes beyond mere ‘concerns’. I’m concerned about how they’d make that a comeback where they and people endorse such atrocities.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 18:25:43 GMT
The only thing I'm looking forward to is whether or not Leggy will be a romance for male players. I hope everyone has at least one option they love.
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Post by regack on Sept 15, 2020 18:36:47 GMT
I understand you have concerns, but I have to say I don't share them. I'm a sucker for a comeback story and warm happy feelings are what a hype thread is all about. Concerns? I’d say the mass murder of countless innocent people goes beyond mere ‘concerns’. I’m concerned about how they’d make that a comeback where they and people endorse such atrocities. I don't know about the use of the word 'comeback' when talking about atrocities such as you're describing, but are you condemning baldy without even giving him the chance to attempt any form of redemption? Redemption or forgiveness does not mean endorsement or an escape from consequences.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 19:08:03 GMT
Concerns? I’d say the mass murder of countless innocent people goes beyond mere ‘concerns’. I’m concerned about how they’d make that a comeback where they and people endorse such atrocities. I don't know about the use of the word 'comeback' when talking about atrocities such as you're describing, but are you condemning baldy without even giving him the chance to attempt any form of redemption? Redemption or forgiveness does not mean endorsement or an escape from consequences. Yes, I am since again there is no redemption from genocide.
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