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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 15, 2020 19:11:07 GMT
I don't know about the use of the word 'comeback' when talking about atrocities such as you're describing, but are you condemning baldy without even giving him the chance to attempt any form of redemption? Redemption or forgiveness does not mean endorsement or an escape from consequences. Yes, I am since again there is no redemption from genocide. But he hasn't actually done any genocide yet? Right?
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 15, 2020 19:12:00 GMT
There is no redemption for genocide. Lighting wasn’t redeemed since he was forced to join. Killing yourself isn’t redemption. As for Layla, I more expect her murdering her friend and an asset to the cause in order to get her next fix being ignored if anything. 1. I agree the lighting has sucked in the DA franchise, but I wouldn't say it was beyond redemption. All they need to do is turn it up a notch and things would be a lot nicer. 2. For many cultures, suicide is an approved method of atonement. 3. Layla murdered no one. She just dumped George for EricFinally, there is redemption from genocide. There is redemption for anything other than despair. Just FYI You may believe that there is no redemption for genocide, but others have disagreed, do disagree and will continue to disagree with you on that. I disagree, just so you know.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 15, 2020 19:16:30 GMT
Hanako IkezawaIf you could have any conclusion you liked for Solas, what would you pick?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 19:23:02 GMT
Yes, I am since again there is no redemption from genocide. But he hasn't actually done any genocide yet? Right? Well there is his first time playing God, as well as his being an accomplice to those like Corypheus. He's now guilty of also at least millions of counts of conspiracy to commit murder, and shouldn't be given the chance to go beyond that. There is no redemption for genocide. Lighting wasn’t redeemed since he was forced to join. Killing yourself isn’t redemption. As for Layla, I more expect her murdering her friend and an asset to the cause in order to get her next fix being ignored if anything. 1. I agree the lighting has sucked in the DA franchise, but I wouldn't say it was beyond redemption. All they need to do is turn it up a notch and things would be a lot nicer. 2. For many cultures, suicide is an approved method of atonement. 3. Layla murdered no one. She just dumped George for EricFinally, there is redemption from genocide. There is redemption for anything other than despair. Just FYI You may believe that there is no redemption for genocide, but others have disagree, do disagree and will continue to disagree with you on that. I disagree, just so you know. 1 and 3 are just trolling so not going to honor those with a response. For 2, none of Thedas's cultures have that mindset. As for redemption from genocide, by all means give me examples. Hanako Ikezawa If you could have any conclusion you liked for Solas, what would you pick? First, stopped before he hurts anyone. After that, some poetic justice like being sealed in the same inescapable prison with the other Evanuris for all eternity.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 15, 2020 19:27:33 GMT
I understand you have concerns, but I have to say I don't share them. I'm a sucker for a comeback story and warm happy feelings are what a hype thread is all about.  Concerns? I’d say the mass murder of countless innocent people goes beyond mere ‘concerns’. I’m concerned about how they’d make that a comeback where they and people endorse such atrocities. Unfortunately, people like him instead of liking to hate him (as a villain), so no efforts will be required to make the comeback arc work. Players see him as a misguided lamb they can fix, instead of the wolf in sheep clothing he always was. Also, I think many have already labelled him as not guilty (despite him technically already causing a genocide a long time ago + Corypheus) if they succeed at stopping him...and BioWare doesn't have a great record for handling attempted crimes.
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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 15, 2020 19:27:41 GMT
But he hasn't actually done any genocide yet? Right? Well there is his first time playing God, as well as his being an accomplice to those like Corypheus. He's now guilty of also at least millions of counts of conspiracy to commit murder, and shouldn't be given the chance to go beyond that. I forgot about his pre-Inquisition history, I tend to base my judgement on his actions in the game. I think I need to replay DAI before DA4 so I can refresh my memory. Especially about the Solas/Cory connection. Hanako Ikezawa If you could have any conclusion you liked for Solas, what would you pick? Oh that would be hilarious 
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 15, 2020 19:27:48 GMT
There is no redemption for genocide. I understand you have concerns, but I have to say I don't share them. I'm a sucker for a comeback story and warm happy feelings are what a hype thread is all about. I mean, even aside from that... he may technically be the “rebel” god rather than the trickster god, but he is for sure pulling some some weird Trickster God shit with all those half-truth villain monologues. I mean, this guy shows up to shadow Inquisition meetings just to twirl his metaphorical mustache. He can stalk people’s dreams, and instead he takes the opportunity to throw on a wig and conspicuously not drink tea in front of an Inquisition agent who’s known him for years? No way that dude was spying, he wanted to be noticed. His whole villain schtick seems more and more like an elaborate show for some third party. Or, knowing the Dread Wolf legends, probably multiple third parties. Plus, the text of that same story makes it very clear that the people who got killed/petrified were all jerks. Why bother doing that if there isn’t some reveal coming? |
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Post by wright1978 on Sept 15, 2020 19:39:25 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa If you could have any conclusion you liked for Solas, what would you pick? First, stopped before he hurts anyone. After that, some poetic justice like being sealed in the same inescapable prison with the other Evanuris for all eternity. I’d free the evanuris and let them tear him limb from limb
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Post by mousestalker on Sept 15, 2020 19:40:21 GMT
Actually I asked for something similar for Morrigan, but what if, in the middle of one of his patented non-answer monologues, some random elf walks up, slams a custard pie in Solas' face and walks away saying "Mythal sends her greetings".  |
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Post by colfoley on Sept 15, 2020 20:03:30 GMT
Concerns? I’d say the mass murder of countless innocent people goes beyond mere ‘concerns’. I’m concerned about how they’d make that a comeback where they and people endorse such atrocities. Unfortunately, people like him instead of liking to hate him (as a villain), so no efforts will be required to make the comeback arc work. Players see him as a misguided lamb they can fix, instead of the wolf in sheep clothing he always was. Also, I think many have already labelled him as not guilty (despite him technically already causing a genocide a long time ago + Corypheus) if they succeed at stopping him...and BioWare doesn't have a great record for handling attempted crimes. the two aren't mutually exclusive. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 15, 2020 20:05:19 GMT
I’m not sure how BioWare would even finagle this kill-all choice. Like, I just want to kill Solas, preferably with a giant magical club on his egg head. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want to beat a single elf like he owes me money and stop his magica-Thanos fade snap whatever the hell it is he’s trying to do. I like to have the main character be given the choice on how to kill the elf. Mine would lure the dog with a steak laced with poison. After eating it, the dog starts gagging, then dies. Or how about putting the knife ear theory to the test. Cut off his ears, then stab him to death with them? Either way, I believe Solas will end up screwing himself when doing his hocus pocus stuff. His plan backfires causing him to be banished, but at the same time releases the evanuris for the main character to deal with. So anything you all are looking forward to? how many long hair styles will be in the character creator screen what upgrades will each class receive that is different from DAI? Besides Solas and possibly Dorian, what other previous character will be seen in the game? fighting more and bigger dragons. Hopefully there will be dragon fighting in the game. If the Inquisitor makes an appearance, will there be a confrontation between him/her and Solas? I’m picturing your PC dancing around Solas, tied to a chair, while Stuck In The Middle With You is playing.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 15, 2020 20:05:49 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa If you could have any conclusion you liked for Solas, what would you pick? Force him in the qun. Make him tranquil. Become a Warden, if he survives the ritual. Make him wear a jester outfit like making Florianne de Chalons wear one in DAI. Hang him, then rename The Hanged Man to The Hanged Elf.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 15, 2020 20:17:37 GMT
I'M EXCITED FOR CHEESE WHEELS.
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Post by regack on Sept 15, 2020 20:18:49 GMT
Hanako Ikezawa If you could have any conclusion you liked for Solas, what would you pick? some poetic justice like being sealed in the same inescapable prison with the other Evanuris for all eternity. So, you're advocating that he suffer, forever... that's pretty dark. I mean, if the punishment fit the crime, perhaps he would suffer for all of the lifetimes of every victim, direct, or indirect, from his actions... I think I could accept that, as it seems fair, but 'forever' is not any sort of justice, it's just cruelty.
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Post by vertigomez on Sept 15, 2020 20:19:55 GMT
Actually I asked for something similar for Morrigan, but what if, in the middle of one of his patented non-answer monologues, some random elf walks up, slams a custard pie in Solas' face and walks away saying "Mythal sends her greetings". PIES ARE SO GOOD, and Coryph-enis would never think of that!
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Post by Polka Dot on Sept 15, 2020 20:24:18 GMT
I'M EXCITED FOR CHEESE WHEELS. Like this one? 
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 15, 2020 20:25:13 GMT
I'M EXCITED FOR CHEESE WHEELS. Like this one? that one!
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 15, 2020 20:27:52 GMT
I'M EXCITED FOR CHEESE WHEELS. I'm still waiting for that pan weapon. 
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Post by colfoley on Sept 15, 2020 20:47:23 GMT
I don't really believe in the whole poetic justice thing. If he has to die just kill him, if he has to be imprisoned then let it be to remove the threat he poses to society.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 15, 2020 20:51:14 GMT
some poetic justice like being sealed in the same inescapable prison with the other Evanuris for all eternity. So, you're advocating that he suffer, forever... that's pretty dark. I mean, if the punishment fit the crime, perhaps he would suffer for all of the lifetimes of every victim, direct, or indirect, from his actions... I think I could accept that, as it seems fair, but 'forever' is not any sort of justice, it's just cruelty. Just going off his criteria: He killed Mythal, and an eternity of torment is the only fitting punishment.  |
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 15, 2020 20:54:04 GMT
some poetic justice like being sealed in the same inescapable prison with the other Evanuris for all eternity. So, you're advocating that he suffer, forever... that's pretty dark. I mean, if the punishment fit the crime, perhaps he would suffer for all of the lifetimes of every victim, direct, or indirect, from his actions... I think I could accept that, as it seems fair, but 'forever' is not any sort of justice, it's just cruelty. Eternal suffering would be pretty sweet though. It would teach us a valuable lesson about immortality. I’m sure he can figure a way to check out early.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 15, 2020 20:57:40 GMT
First, stopped before he hurts anyone. After that, some poetic justice like being sealed in the same inescapable prison with the other Evanuris for all eternity. I’d free the evanuris and let them tear him limb from limb I’m picturing something like a scene out of Ghost when the demon things drag people down to hell.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 15, 2020 21:03:50 GMT
I’m picturing your PC dancing around Solas, tied to a chair, while Stuck In The Middle With You is playing. I picture my main character dancing around the elf while this song is playing
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 15, 2020 21:09:46 GMT
Like this one? that one! I am HYPED for potential cheese stick sword or daggers.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 15, 2020 21:14:16 GMT
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