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Post by ArcadiaGrey on Sept 3, 2020 22:29:21 GMT
I main human female mages. I guess I'll have to be an Apostate, because no Circle anymore? Apostitutes! Sry. I'll show myself the door....
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Post by smilesja on Sept 3, 2020 22:37:03 GMT
I main human female mages. I guess I'll have to be an Apostate, because no Circle anymore? Apostitutes! Sry. I'll show myself the door....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 22:45:50 GMT
I main human female mages. I guess I'll have to be an Apostate, because no Circle anymore? Apostitutes! Sry. I'll show myself the door.... Sasha says it's her job to make DKR bang his head on the desk or wall … not yours.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 4, 2020 8:06:22 GMT
I main human female mages. I guess I'll have to be an Apostate, because no Circle anymore? Obviously it depends on where we are to begin with and your background. If you are a Tevinter mage then not an apostate, there is no such thing. If anything the Circles are the opposite in Tevinter in that you want to go and there would seem to be a hierarchy of Circles too in terms of the ones all the best people go to. Dorian got kicked out of several Circles for being a trouble maker, was sent to a very strict boarding school not attached to a Cirlce but ran away and ended up in a brothel, where Alexius scooped him up and took him under his wing. There were hints in the letter to his father that young apprentices should be in education and Alexius would have been well within his rights to call the Templars about the issue but decided against it. So being in some form of magical education would seem to be compulsory, for safety reasons if nothing else, but that doesn't have to be in a Circle as Calpernia was instructed in the basics by Erathenes and then left to her own devices, but then she was only a slave. I think half the reason the Altus insist on their children going to the mage boarding schools is because you can make useful future contacts there and if they don't go then it looks like you can't afford it. They also look down on anyone who hasn't received a Circle education. The alternative I suppose would be a self-taught mage, for example a Vashoth, or a mage from one of the fringe societies, like a Rivaini seer or a Fog Dancer. I think they are more likely to be companions, though, than options for the PC. If they want to make it easy for themselves then you could simply be a Liberati mage, a former slave but not yet a citizen, who was either trained by their master at home or sponsored in the local Circle by them. There was a mage in Tevinter Nights a bit like this, although they had already achieved citizenship because it would seem the Soporati owner of the factory where his family worked decided to adopt him as that would then allow his own family to be elevated to Laetan class. Non citizen Liberati can still join a Circle, presumably if they have the coin to do so. It would be interesting to play a Tevinter raised mage simply because the system is so different to what we have been used to in the south.
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Post by Little Bengel on Sept 5, 2020 21:38:20 GMT
Can't say it wouldn't be interesting to play as a Tevinter mage.
...now that I think of it: do you think that, with DA4's apparent focus on Tevinter, it would make sense for a mage in DA4 to have access to different spells from mages in the previous three games?
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Post by biggydx on Sept 5, 2020 21:42:32 GMT
Can't say it wouldn't be interesting to play as a Tevinter mage. ...now that I think of it: do you think that, with DA4's apparent focus on Tevinter, it would make sense for a mage in DA4 to have access to different spells from mages in the previous three games? I think Blood Magic will return at the very least.
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Post by Little Bengel on Sept 7, 2020 13:12:13 GMT
Can't say it wouldn't be interesting to play as a Tevinter mage. ...now that I think of it: do you think that, with DA4's apparent focus on Tevinter, it would make sense for a mage in DA4 to have access to different spells from mages in the previous three games? I think Blood Magic will return at the very least. It better! For that matter, DA4 better let us manually level up our attributes, I want to make the single beefiest Mage that ever beefed. So that I can cast moar blood magic
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 7, 2020 14:54:22 GMT
...now that I think of it: do you think that, with DA4's apparent focus on Tevinter, it would make sense for a mage in DA4 to have access to different spells from mages in the previous three games? It depends on whether you mean general spells or specialism. With the latter I definitely think it should be possible to be a blood mage because even if your mage isn't from Tevinter, presumably they could find someone to teach them. Really there should be Necromancy as well because Dorian knew this, even though at least one of the writers thinks it is just another form of blood magic, which is odd considering the majority of the spells are either from the schools of entropy or spirit magic. I'd quite like there to be a specialism, other than blood magic, that was specific to the area, in much the same way that Force Magic was said to have originated in Kirkwall. Rift Magic was said to have been specifically tied to the hole in the sky, even though you don't lose your ability once it is closed. If we have some connection with either Rivaini Seers or the Fog Dancers, I could see a unique specialism based on their culture. In some ways, now they limit our own options so much with regard to specialism, I'd quite like them to return to the DA2 model, with our companions having their own unique specialism, so we are not simply duplicating them.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 7, 2020 21:27:27 GMT
I think Blood Magic will return at the very least. It better! For that matter, DA4 better let us manually level up our attributes, I want to make the single beefiest Mage that ever beefed. So that I can cast moar blood magic It would be nice if attribute distribution was more apparent in how your build is affected; also - more builds plz.
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Post by arvaarad on Sept 7, 2020 21:55:32 GMT
I think Blood Magic will return at the very least. It better! For that matter, DA4 better let us manually level up our attributes, I want to make the single beefiest Mage that ever beefed. So that I can cast moar blood magic Yeah, I was always shoving my mages into rogue armor so I could crank up their crit chance to an absurd degree (Flashpoint shenanigans). Was kind of a bummer to pass up on all those unique mage robes for the generic cross-class armor look. And the snofleur population has yet to recover.
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Post by KaiserShep on Sept 7, 2020 23:01:28 GMT
It better! For that matter, DA4 better let us manually level up our attributes, I want to make the single beefiest Mage that ever beefed. So that I can cast moar blood magic Yeah, I was always shoving my mages into rogue armor so I could crank up their crit chance to an absurd degree (Flashpoint shenanigans). Was kind of a bummer to pass up on all those unique mage robes for the generic cross-class armor look. And the snofleur population has yet to recover. I heard they went extinct sometime between 9:41 and 9:42.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 10, 2020 17:19:49 GMT
Not particularly hyped. The artwork I've seen so far cleaves closer to World of Warcraft than Dragon Age as I remember it best. Only thing that has intrigued me yet is the promise of more Solas.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 13, 2020 4:10:04 GMT
I am hyped for getting back to Thedas again, my favorite franchise, my facorite fictional world, and explore the politics, the religion, and the philosophy.
Edit: Also optomistic to see them give Live Service a whirl and how that would all work out.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 4:18:24 GMT
Not particularly hyped. The artwork I've seen so far cleaves closer to World of Warcraft than Dragon Age as I remember it best. Only thing that has intrigued me yet is the promise of more Solas. He’s just Corypheus 2.0 now. A crazy old mage who woke up in a time different from his so now plans to destroy the modern world to make one he likes more. Any potential with him is gone now.
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Post by linksocarina on Sept 13, 2020 18:57:40 GMT
Not particularly hyped. The artwork I've seen so far cleaves closer to World of Warcraft than Dragon Age as I remember it best. Only thing that has intrigued me yet is the promise of more Solas. He’s just Corypheus 2.0 now. A crazy old mage who woke up in a time different from his so now plans to destroy the modern world to make one he likes more. Any potential with him is gone now. Isent the fact that he has a conscience already makes him apart from corypheus? In truth it seems like they are trying to set up a Jon Irenicus situation with Solas...though I'm not sure if that will necessarily work.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 19:03:59 GMT
He’s just Corypheus 2.0 now. A crazy old mage who woke up in a time different from his so now plans to destroy the modern world to make one he likes more. Any potential with him is gone now. Isent the fact that he has a conscience already makes him apart from corypheus? In truth it seems like they are trying to set up a Jon Irenicus situation with Solas...though I'm not sure if that will necessarily work. No, not really. You could argue Corypheus also had a conscience. But both set those aside for their goal. I don't know who that is, so what do you mean?
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 13, 2020 21:00:07 GMT
I don't know who that is, so what do you mean? He was the main antagonist in Baldurs Gate 2. From what I recall he wanted to have greater power, attacked the tree of the people to get it and was punished by being stripped of his elven soul. So he was now mortal and lacking a soul. I don't really get the comparison myself.
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Post by Noxluxe on Sept 13, 2020 21:04:31 GMT
He’s just Corypheus 2.0 now. A crazy old mage who woke up in a time different from his so now plans to destroy the modern world to make one he likes more. Any potential with him is gone now. Is this based on new information I just haven't been arsed to notice? So far as I know from Tresspasser, they're two completely different kinds of villains. Corypheous was a classic megalomaniac, his entire motivation was centered around the pursuit of personal power entirely to satisfy himself, and the fact that his plans involved the deaths of millions didn't mean shit to him even after prolonged exposure to their civilization because his humanity had been completely corrupted. Solas is a classic anti-villain. He's motivated purely by compassion for and loyalty to people... who just happen not to be us. The fact that his plans promise to at the very least involve the ruin of civilizations does bother him, because he's an empathetic creature and strives for an honorable existence, he just considers his own people's existential value superior to ours for reasons that are very hard to argue with if you live in a world where there are actual manifest differences between different sentient species. And his people's existence and our modern world's continued stability just are't mutually compatible. Which means he's making a difficult choice, and not just threatening us because he wants to. MUCH more interesting. We've had this conversation before, and I totally get your decision to dismiss him as a monster because naziism. But I maintain that in a hypothetical world where there are sentient beings with virtually infinite potential and sentient beings with decidedly limited potential... it'd be pretty rational for someone to decide that if you have to choose, the former trumps the latter. Especially if you were part of the former camp yourself. Which obviously won't stop my dwarven rogue from jamming a knife in his kidney to stop him out of self-preservation. Assuming the game turns out better than it's looked so far and I'm actually inspired to buy it.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 13, 2020 21:08:20 GMT
Is there a quiet optimism train? The knowledge that we're still quite some distance away from anything meaty about the game being known - and even further from the actual game being playable by myself - is tempering hype. The years long hype train for DAI was - mostly - fun, but it was exhausting. And almost certainly lead to disappointment by raising expectations unrealistically. I know I was disappointed by DAI (while still loving it), because the hype had raised my hope to insanely unachievable levels. Which is my fault, of course, for not being a grown up and managing my own expectations, but there it is. If there are two trains to choose from, I choose Hype, but I'll sit it the back with a book
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Post by colfoley on Sept 13, 2020 21:16:26 GMT
Is there a quiet optimism train? The knowledge that we're still quite some distance away from anything meaty about the game being known - and even further from the actual game being playable by myself - is tempering hype. The years long hype train for DAI was - mostly - fun, but it was exhausting. And almost certainly lead to disappointment by raising expectations unrealistically. I know I was disappointed by DAI (while still loving it), because the hype had raised my hope to insanely unachievable levels. Which is my fault, of course, for not being a grown up and managing my own expectations, but there it is. If there are two trains to choose from, I choose Hype, but I'll sit it the back with a book it is a weird observation I see this all the time and am even guilty of it myself...yet when it comes time to actually enjoy something usually... I find the product better then my expectations. The Last Jedi...was expecting a very different experience...loved it. Game of Thrones...some things I called, some I didn't. Pretty much loved.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 21:19:40 GMT
He’s just Corypheus 2.0 now. A crazy old mage who woke up in a time different from his so now plans to destroy the modern world to make one he likes more. Any potential with him is gone now. Is this based on new information I just haven't been arsed to notice? So far as I know from Tresspasser, they're two completely different kinds of villains. Corypheous was a classic megalomaniac, his entire motivation was centered around the pursuit of personal power entirely to satisfy himself, and the fact that his plans involved the deaths of millions didn't mean shit to him even after prolonged exposure to their civilization because his humanity had been completely corrupted. Solas is a classic anti-villain. He's motivated purely by compassion for and loyalty to people... who just happen not to be us. The fact that his plans promise to at the very least involve the ruin of civilizations does bother him, because he's an empathetic creature and strives for an honorable existence, he just considers his own people's existential value superior to ours for reasons that are very hard to argue with if you live in a world where there are actual manifest differences between different sentient species. And his people's existence and our modern world's continued stability just are't mutually compatible. Which means he's making a difficult choice, and not just threatening us because he wants to. MUCH more interesting. We've had this conversation before, and I totally get your decision to dismiss him as a monster because naziism. But I maintain that in a hypothetical world where there are sentient beings with virtually infinite potential and sentient beings with decidedly limited potential... it'd be pretty rational for someone to decide that if you have to choose, the former trumps the latter. Especially if you were part of the former camp yourself. Which obviously won't stop my dwarven rogue from jamming a knife in his kidney to stop him out of self-preservation. Assuming the game turns out better than it's looked so far and I'm actually inspired to buy it. I've said elsewhere, but I don't buy into the notion of antivillains. Every villain is the hero of their own story, and are doing what they think is right and best for the world. They're simply deluding themselves to not feel bad for their actions. If anything, I'd say Corypheus is actually less of a monster than Solas is. At least he offered his "salvation" to anyone who chose it, regardless of race, sex, class, and so on. He even offered it to people trying to kill him. Meanwhile Solas is a racist who as you argued only cares about his kind due to a false sense of superior worth. If your drawven rogue is your Inquisitor, they won't be doing shit according to Bioware.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 13, 2020 21:19:44 GMT
Is there a quiet optimism train? The knowledge that we're still quite some distance away from anything meaty about the game being known - and even further from the actual game being playable by myself - is tempering hype. The years long hype train for DAI was - mostly - fun, but it was exhausting. And almost certainly lead to disappointment by raising expectations unrealistically. I know I was disappointed by DAI (while still loving it), because the hype had raised my hope to insanely unachievable levels. Which is my fault, of course, for not being a grown up and managing my own expectations, but there it is. If there are two trains to choose from, I choose Hype, but I'll sit it the back with a book Because people on the hype train actually make use of their time rather than spending it complaining on the internet.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 13, 2020 21:21:15 GMT
Is there a quiet optimism train? The knowledge that we're still quite some distance away from anything meaty about the game being known - and even further from the actual game being playable by myself - is tempering hype. The years long hype train for DAI was - mostly - fun, but it was exhausting. And almost certainly lead to disappointment by raising expectations unrealistically. I know I was disappointed by DAI (while still loving it), because the hype had raised my hope to insanely unachievable levels. Which is my fault, of course, for not being a grown up and managing my own expectations, but there it is. If there are two trains to choose from, I choose Hype, but I'll sit it the back with a book Because people on the hype train actually make use of their time rather than spending it complaining on the internet. No, they just spend it complaining about the complainers.
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Post by Rascoth on Sept 13, 2020 21:22:32 GMT
Is there a quiet optimism train? Maybe not whole train, but I bet we can find at least one carriage that welcomes cautious optimistic. I definitely plan to sit there with tea and popcorn, if the latter is needed. I hope I won't need it, but better be prepared.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 13, 2020 21:27:50 GMT
Is there a quiet optimism train? Maybe not whole train, but I bet we can find at least one carriage that welcomes cautious optimistic. I definitely plan to sit there with tea and popcorn, if the latter is needed. I hope I won't need it, but better be prepared. That's not how you spell booze.
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