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Post by TheEmptyRoad on Oct 22, 2020 5:12:10 GMT
Both of my Circle Mage characters were members of a Fraternity, or at least, had the mindset of one. Given that your Circle Mage character in Origins is only just now becoming a Mage when the game takes place.
My Warden Commander Surana was an Aequitarian, influenced heavily by their Mentor, First Enchanter Irving.
Inquisitor Trevelyan was a Lucrosian, but one who sided with the Rebels. As opposed to Vivienne who I see as a Loyalist Lucrosian (I know, I know, she "wasn't a member" of any particular Fraternity. But come on, someone that political had to have leanings, and I think she's got a Lucrosian disposition, with a Loyalist bent).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Oct 22, 2020 5:19:51 GMT
Amell was a Libertarian Resolutionist (in my head), because she was one of the few times I've ever played an "evil" character in games. She happily killed Uldred, but only because he was fool who tipped his hand too early.
My only mage Inquisitor was Dalish, so "none of the above"? But chose Isolationist for the basic ideology.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Oct 22, 2020 8:47:23 GMT
According to Senior Torrin my Amell/Surana Wardens are 'Idealists', but I think they're more Aequitarian with a dose of Libertarian despite never having been in a Circle, I think my Hawke is also Aequitarian, though becomes more Libertarian as the game goes on I've yet to finish with Trevelyan, however I do have plans for one, like DragonKingReborn...my Lavellan I think is an Isolationist, probably with some Aequitarian in the mix as well Adaar I think was Liberatarian, with maybe some Lucriosian (seeing as he was a merc) However I'm voting for Aequitarian and Liberatarian, freedom with co-existence 
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Post by Liadan on Oct 22, 2020 17:33:09 GMT
I see my Amell as an Aequitarian, due to the influence of Irving and later of Wynne. My Surana was a Libertarian (and my only blood mage).
Regarding my Inquisitors, my female Trevelyan was an Aequitarian although by the end she wanted more freedom for the mages and my male Trevelyan was a Lucrosian (i see him as someone that love living in luxury and having influence, and despite having been sent to the Circle he still considered himself a noble). My other mage was a Lavellan that was all in favor of mage freedom so i guess she would fit with the Libertarian mindset.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 22, 2020 19:03:33 GMT
I kinda got the impression that the fraternity system seems some sort of elaborate scam anyway, meant to lure out what the Chantry would view as "troublemakers" and contrast them to the "good" mages, i.e. obedient prisoners. The Aequitarians annoy me at times, as the code of rules they seem to insist on quite often boils down to "Chantry law", like Wynne with her "good prisoner" rhetorics.
With that out of that way... I could say my very first DAO character (an Amell) ended up as some unintended Aequitarian mindset of sorts, though her interpretation of the "set of rules mages should follow" was still different from Chantry perspective. My more canon Surana would probably as "not interested" for most of her time as an apprentice and after Irving and Jowan screwed her over and her mindset became rather staunch Libertarian with some Isolationist thrown in for good measure. My Hawkes, Dalish mages or Adaars are not interested in circle politics.
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Post by xerrai on Oct 26, 2020 0:22:45 GMT
I kinda got the impression that the fraternity system seems some sort of elaborate scam anyway, meant to lure out what the Chantry would view as "troublemakers" and contrast them to the "good" mages, i.e. obedient prisoners. The Aequitarians annoy me at times, as the code of rules they seem to insist on quite often boils down to "Chantry law", like Wynne with her "good prisoner" rhetorics. With that out of that way... I could say my very first DAO character (an Amell) ended up as some unintended Aequitarian mindset of sorts, though her interpretation of the "set of rules mages should follow" was still different from Chantry perspective. My more canon Surana would probably as "not interested" for most of her time as an apprentice and after Irving and Jowan screwed her over and her mindset became rather staunch Libertarian with some Isolationist thrown in for good measure. My Hawkes, Dalish mages or Adaars are not interested in circle politics. There's actually a layer of truth to this. The resolutionist codex entry all but explicitly states that the Chantry allowed the libertarian fraternity to continue because it could point out troublemakers. And that level of political strong-arming/manipulation is something that the Chantry always tried to maintain in order to control its mages. All done through their templars. Did you see what WoT vol. 1 said about First Enchanter positions? To quote: "He or she retains the right to choose a successor, taking into consideration the "strong suggestion" of the templars. Only in recent years, amid increasing friction have First Enchanters denied templar choices for succession." But as seen in Asunder, and even a bit before in the games, the mages do have some legal power over their own fate. All the mages had to do was exercise it, regardless of what the Chantry tried to push them into. It's why the election of the Grand Enchanter Fiona was such a big deal. The mages were pushing back. But not only were they pushing back, they were pushing back through the proper channels (and improper channels, but they were radicals). While Fiona's election was controversial, it was completely legitimate. Hell, even thier initial vote to secede from the Chantry seemed legally sound. But for the Chantry, that was exactly the problem.
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Post by Catilina on Oct 26, 2020 13:29:21 GMT
No one of them, no fraternity. Outsider the only choice for my mages, even if they forced to live in the Circle.
To join any of them (including the Libertarian), assumed somekind of acceptance of the system. Shows: my mage is the part of their game. (Leliana in DA2 said: the Chantry lets them play – not with those words, but to me, it means.) But not. My mage is his own. An outsider.
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Post by sageoflife on Oct 26, 2020 21:06:54 GMT
Amell considers herself an Aequitarian though she has never had any dealings with Circle politics since she never actually became an Enchanter. Surana is in the same boat but considers himself a Libertarian. Trevelyan was an Enchanter and an Aequitarian though he favored alliance with the Libertarians and vocally disapproved of the traditional Aequitarian/Loyalist alliance.
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Post by Buckeldemon on Oct 27, 2020 14:54:22 GMT
I kinda got the impression that the fraternity system seems some sort of elaborate scam anyway, meant to lure out what the Chantry would view as "troublemakers" and contrast them to the "good" mages, i.e. obedient prisoners. The Aequitarians annoy me at times, as the code of rules they seem to insist on quite often boils down to "Chantry law", like Wynne with her "good prisoner" rhetorics. With that out of that way... I could say my very first DAO character (an Amell) ended up as some unintended Aequitarian mindset of sorts, though her interpretation of the "set of rules mages should follow" was still different from Chantry perspective. My more canon Surana would probably as "not interested" for most of her time as an apprentice and after Irving and Jowan screwed her over and her mindset became rather staunch Libertarian with some Isolationist thrown in for good measure. My Hawkes, Dalish mages or Adaars are not interested in circle politics. There's actually a layer of truth to this. The resolutionist codex entry all but explicitly states that the Chantry allowed the libertarian fraternity to continue because it could point out troublemakers. And that level of political strong-arming/manipulation is something that the Chantry always tried to maintain in order to control its mages. All done through their templars. Did you see what WoT vol. 1 said about First Enchanter positions? To quote: "He or she retains the right to choose a successor, taking into consideration the "strong suggestion" of the templars. Only in recent years, amid increasing friction have First Enchanters denied templar choices for succession." But as seen in Asunder, and even a bit before in the games, the mages do have some legal power over their own fate. All the mages had to do was exercise it, regardless of what the Chantry tried to push them into. It's why the election of the Grand Enchanter Fiona was such a big deal. The mages were pushing back. But not only were they pushing back, they were pushing back through the proper channels (and improper channels, but they were radicals). While Fiona's election was controversial, it was completely legitimate. Hell, even thier initial vote to secede from the Chantry seemed legally sound. But for the Chantry, that was exactly the problem. Yes, the codex basically just confirms what Leliana says in that scene (as mentioned by Catilina):  Notice the pause indicated by "...".
I recall that passage (p. 102). I'd say it is always valid to look at what the Chantry actually doesn't say/actively does to poke through the smokescreen.
But as you said, even when using the "proper" (i.e. seemingly permitted) ways, once either Chantry or templars/SoTs weren't feeling like it (yes I use this phrasing intentionally, as this kind of rhetoric is often used in the fandom to dismiss "pro-mage" arguments), it was "Nah, won't have treason under this roof. Kil'em all."
No one of them, no fraternity. Outsider the only choice for my mages, even if they forced to live in the Circle. To join any of them (including the Libertarian), assumed somekind of acceptance of the system. Shows: my mage is the part of their game. (Leliana in DA2 said: the Chantry lets them play – not with those words, but to me, it means.) But not. My mage is his own. An outsider. Yeah, this as well. That's why I wrote "mindset".
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Post by cyberpunker on Dec 24, 2020 11:13:51 GMT
Neria Surana: Lucrosian. She wanted to be Alistair's mistress and secret power behind the scenes. She did not care about Circle politics or liberation. She just wanted power and influence. Marian Hawke: Libertarian Resolutionist. Marian Hawke was 100% bought in on Mages' liberation from the Circle. She believed that the Southern mages had to forcefully overthrow the Templars, even if it means leaving the Chantry. Ellana Lavallan: Dalish...I guess Lucrosian if you have to fit her in a box. Ellana Lavallan just wanted to safeguard her clan and eventually become the Keeper. However, because events threw her into the Inquisition's Herald of Andraste, she now eyes personal power in order for a Dalish restoration (with her as the ruler of said empire).
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Post by Lazarillo on May 29, 2021 20:37:13 GMT
My most notable Warden Mage is a Loyalist, but a very...liberal-minded one. Her general outlook on life is that she's a very devout Andrastian, and very devoutly believes "Magic is to serve man", but also very devoutly believes that Magic can't do that if it's locked away. In her mind, the Circles are rightfully under the Chantry, but the Chantry should be better using them by sending Mages out into the world to better the lives of others. If she (and other Mages) can't do that, then they're not using the incredible gift that the Maker has blessed them with responsibly!
I haven't played an Inquisitor Circle Mage very far yet, but I imagine the one I've got "in the queue", so to speak, would most clearly identify with the Lucrosians. The little bit I have played from the DAI background suggests that that potential PC was treated pretty liberally by the Ostwick circle (since s/he makes numerous references to being around his/her real family, even after being taken to the Circle), and thus would likely have a mindset that's a little less idealistic towards either side of the spectrum, and somewhat unconcerned about Mages in general.
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