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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2021 15:15:42 GMT
SirSourpuss I disagree on the ‘before release’ part. If a game is actually good, it can pick up steam after release. We saw a game became popular two years after its release (Among Us). It’s a complete different situation, but again, if the reception through reviews and playthroughs is good, a game can sell more copies, even if didn’t have much hype beforehand. I remain on the opinion that a good game, especially in this online-focused era, if it has a good reception, can sell well. We can debate if BioWare is able to make a good game, but if it does happen, it’s not going to be a failure. Unless the expectation is for DA4 to sell 10 million copies.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 1, 2021 15:19:19 GMT
Counterpoint, most of the public scarcely pays attention to studio reputations when making their purchases. If it’s well advertised followed by good reviews and word of mouth, the public will buy it and it will sell well. Doubt it. Bioware is, nowadays, notorious enough to keep people away from it, regardless. Even so, the people who would buy it, would do so after it hit the bargain bin. Video games make most of their sales in their first 6 weeks. Going from a complete disinterest to selling millions, is highly unlikely. The game that managed to get good sales overall, while having medium starting interest, was DA:O. And that was when Bioware was at their peak respectability. You won't get that again. Not with how things are now. Be careful of assuming the relatively small number of people posting on gaming forums and message boards are representative of “the public” in terms of the purchasing audience. Yes, I am sure the gaming public is just singing Bioware's praises and it's just a few nasty trolls that speak ill. I'm sorry, I don't believe it. Literally everyone is making fun of Bioware out there. You get someone like Pewdiepie making a video about mocking Bioware, you think people forget? Mass Effect is now synonymous to the "my face is tired" meme. That's Mass Effect to your average normie. Your average “normie” is paying more attention to current reviews and trailers than half decade old memes. You really need to stop conflating gaming forums with the general public. I’m not saying the general public loves BioWare, I’m saying the general public tends to respond more to advertising and reviews for individual titles than the studio name. I think you’re vastly overestimating the degree that the average gaming consumer puts stock in studio reputations.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 15:21:18 GMT
SirSourpuss I disagree on the ‘before release’ part. If a game is actually good, it can pick up steam after release. We saw a game became popular two years after its release (Among Us). It’s a complete different situation, but again, if the reception through reviews and playthroughs is good, a game can sell more copies, even if didn’t have much hype beforehand. I remain on the opinion that a good game, especially in this online-focused era, if it has a good reception, can sell well. We can debate if BioWare is able to make a good game, but if it does happen, it’s not going to be a failure. Unless the expectation is for DA4 to sell 10 million copies. The expectation will be to sell 6 million copies in 10 weeks. It's not making that.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 1, 2021 15:25:29 GMT
Not really. We have no way to know, objectively, if DA4 will be trash. The game would be trash, as it could be mediocre, decent, good, or great. We can debate if there are more chances of the game being bad then good, but that’s another issue. Hanako’s opinion is strictly based on the fact that the protagonist changed. While the criticism is valid, and I completely understand Hanako’s stance on thinking the game will be trash because of this issue, it should be pointed out that DA4 could be released and be considered a great game, and Hanako would, most likely, considers it trash. So I wouldn’t consider the opinion fair, at least if we look at it from an objective perspective. We know too little to say anything about the game’s quality. Granted, if you share Hanako’s opinion due to issue, I understand if you agree, but it wouldn’t still be a fair opinion. Some mistakes are so big its pretty much impossible to recover from. I don't even like the inquisitor but I can see its pants on head to not use them. It would be like if you are deep into a movie and Wyat Earp says You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! Hell's coming with me!, it fades to black and the next scene is Martial Law who you never met before who later on interviews Earp a bit before taking down the cowboys without Earp.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 15:28:49 GMT
Your average “normie” is paying more attention to current reviews and trailers than half decade old memes. You really need to stop conflating gaming forums with the general public. I’m not saying the general public loves BioWare, I’m saying the general public tends to respond more to advertising and reviews for individual titles than the studio name. You are vastly overestimating the degree that the average gaming consumer puts stock in studio reputations. So you're saying normies did not hype themselves up for Cyberpunk, because of CDPR, or that they don't recognize Treyarch, or Respawn, or Bethesda, or Rockstar? These studios are, for better or worse, notorious. Bioware is, now, one of those studios.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 15:34:59 GMT
Not really. We have no way to know, objectively, if DA4 will be trash. The game would be trash, as it could be mediocre, decent, good, or great. We can debate if there are more chances of the game being bad then good, but that’s another issue. Hanako’s opinion is strictly based on the fact that the protagonist changed. While the criticism is valid, and I completely understand Hanako’s stance on thinking the game will be trash because of this issue, it should be pointed out that DA4 could be released and be considered a great game, and Hanako would, most likely, considers it trash. So I wouldn’t consider the opinion fair, at least if we look at it from an objective perspective. We know too little to say anything about the game’s quality. Granted, if you share Hanako’s opinion due to issue, I understand if you agree, but it wouldn’t still be a fair opinion. Some mistakes are so big its pretty much impossible to recover from. I don't even like the inquisitor but I can see its pants on head to not use them. It would be like if you are deep into a movie and Wyat Earp says You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! Hell's coming with me!, it fades to black and the next scene is Martial Law who you never met before who later on interviews Earp a bit before taking down the cowboys without Earp.
Plus, if the Inquisitor had been an returning character in DA4, you'd get those who want the HOF to return, along with those who want Hawke to return and then you'd get those who would want the Inquisitor back AGAIN for DA5. It'll never end.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 1, 2021 15:35:34 GMT
SirSourpuss I disagree on the ‘before release’ part. If a game is actually good, it can pick up steam after release. We saw a game became popular two years after its release (Among Us). It’s a complete different situation, but again, if the reception through reviews and playthroughs is good, a game can sell more copies, even if didn’t have much hype beforehand. I remain on the opinion that a good game, especially in this online-focused era, if it has a good reception, can sell well. We can debate if BioWare is able to make a good game, but if it does happen, it’s not going to be a failure. Unless the expectation is for DA4 to sell 10 million copies. The expectation will be to sell 6 million copies in 10 weeks. It's not making that.
I suspect the hope is not on this game being a hit but this game repairing some of the damage to their rep so their next game has a better chance, which is the same idea behind the remaster. But the remaster will still have the same ending, so I'm not sure that will work. It might for new players, maybe playing the games back to back the ending wont feel as bad as to those who hyped the game up for years before its launch. And maybe with the extended cut from the get go it may work better as well. But I have my doubts on this repairing much good will.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 1, 2021 15:43:30 GMT
Your average “normie” is paying more attention to current reviews and trailers than half decade old memes. You really need to stop conflating gaming forums with the general public. I’m not saying the general public loves BioWare, I’m saying the general public tends to respond more to advertising and reviews for individual titles than the studio name. You are vastly overestimating the degree that the average gaming consumer puts stock in studio reputations. So you're saying normies did not hype themselves up for Cyberpunk, because of CDPR, or that they don't recognize Treyarch, or Respawn, or Bethesda, or Rockstar? These studios are, for better or worse, notorious. Bioware is, now, one of those studios. I won’t deny that Cyberpunk benefitted from the reputation of the Witcher 3, but I think you’re forgetting the YEARS of ad campaigns that went into building that hype along with it. Witcher 3 was also such an unusually huge hit it can scarcely be used to demonstrate a norm. I do not, in fact, think the average gaming consumer knows who Respawn or Treyarch are when they pick up their games. Big fans of specific titles or franchises are, like the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda, but most casual gamers are looking at the games and maybe the franchises, not the studio.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 1, 2021 15:45:33 GMT
Not really. We have no way to know, objectively, if DA4 will be trash. The game would be trash, as it could be mediocre, decent, good, or great. We can debate if there are more chances of the game being bad then good, but that’s another issue. Hanako’s opinion is strictly based on the fact that the protagonist changed. While the criticism is valid, and I completely understand Hanako’s stance on thinking the game will be trash because of this issue, it should be pointed out that DA4 could be released and be considered a great game, and Hanako would, most likely, considers it trash. So I wouldn’t consider the opinion fair, at least if we look at it from an objective perspective. We know too little to say anything about the game’s quality. Granted, if you share Hanako’s opinion due to issue, I understand if you agree, but it wouldn’t still be a fair opinion. Some mistakes are so big its pretty much impossible to recover from. I don't even like the inquisitor but I can see its pants on head to not use them. It would be like if you are deep into a movie and Wyat Earp says You tell 'em I'm coming! And Hell's coming with me you hear! Hell's coming with me!, it fades to black and the next scene is Martial Law who you never met before who later on interviews Earp a bit before taking down the cowboys without Earp.
I discuss this issue before. I do agree on not understanding to use the Inquisitor again as the PC, in light of Trespasser, but I do believe the situation isn’t white and black, and a new protagonist could be successful and well received. It certainly makes it harder for the writer to make the relationship between Solas and the new protagonist entertaining and interesting, as well as having to deal with the Inquisitor’s dilemma. SirSourpuss I disagree on the ‘before release’ part. If a game is actually good, it can pick up steam after release. We saw a game became popular two years after its release (Among Us). It’s a complete different situation, but again, if the reception through reviews and playthroughs is good, a game can sell more copies, even if didn’t have much hype beforehand. I remain on the opinion that a good game, especially in this online-focused era, if it has a good reception, can sell well. We can debate if BioWare is able to make a good game, but if it does happen, it’s not going to be a failure. Unless the expectation is for DA4 to sell 10 million copies. The expectation will be to sell 6 million copies in 10 weeks. It's not making that.
I’d say that it’s almost impossible, but it’s EA’s unrealistic expectation.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2021 15:49:06 GMT
Or, we can simply agree that there are big concerns about BioWare and their games’s development. Even if it's a great game, it matters little if all Bioware stands to the public is trash, because it is likely we will be the only ones to buy it. If even that. The public doesn't want Bioware touching anything, not even their own IPs. The public rejects, before the game is even made. “Even if it’s a great game...” Do we, as actual customers, really need to care about anything else? If we got a great game, then that’s a win for us, and fuck the rest.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 15:49:59 GMT
Funny story, I was talking with a colleague on Saturday. His brother was going through the trilogy for the first time. He liked ME1, loved ME2 and then he got to ME3. To which he started off with "wait, I have questions". It's not going to make new fans. And maybe with the extended cut from the get go it may work better as well. But I have my doubts on this repairing much good will. It will, most likely, trigger the same reactions from the new crowd as well. In equal numbers. With some margin of error percentages. I don't see it selling millions, or making Bioware's reputation any favours. I don't see it making ME's reputation any favours. The only benefit I could see it having, is if they used it as a stepping stone to the next game, with no relation to Andromeda, but ME5 seems to be relating to Andromeda and, this is a rumour, there may be a ME:A remaster in the works after this. Don't expect it soon, don't even expect it in 2022, if it comes, but it might. My guess is this will come after DA4, if it comes at all. To tide over the gap between releases.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2021 15:54:14 GMT
Again though, we know basically nothing about the game. I’m not saying your opinion can’t be that the game will be trash, and that it’s not a valid opinion, but it is, at this point, something that can’t be considered objectively fair. The game doesn’t even have to turn out to be good to not be trash. It could be mediocre or decent. All I’m saying is that we know so little about it, that there’s no way to know for certain how it’ll turn out. We know enough. Even if you mean this in the sense of the “royal” we, we absolutely do not.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 15:58:43 GMT
I won’t deny that Cyberpunk benefitted from the reputation of the Witcher 3, but I think you’re forgetting the YEARS of ad campaigns that went into building that hype along with it. Witcher 3 was also such an unusually huge hit it can scarcely be used to demonstrate a norm. I do not, in fact, think the average gaming consumer knows who Respawn or Treyarch are when they pick up their games. Big fans of specific titles or franchises are, like the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda, but most casual gamers are looking at the games and maybe the franchises, not the studio. I disagree. Some studio have reputable names that even normies, to some extent, know them. I am not going to claim that everyone knows them, but a good chunk of their target audience, normies among them included, will know and will stay away. I am not claiming nobody will buy the next DA or the next ME, but selling 1.5 million copies at launch, due to marketing alone and then having your game's sales fall off a cliff is not a sustainable business model. I don't believe people will rush out to buy Bioware's next game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 15:59:32 GMT
I’d say that it’s almost impossible, but it’s EA’s unrealistic expectation. Same expectations with Anthem. Same budget range as Anthem.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 16:00:39 GMT
Do we, as actual customers, really need to care about anything else? If we got a great game, then that’s a win for us, and fuck the rest. I don't know. What if it gets the Andromeda treatment? Closure in books and related media stuff. Would you be fine with that? Because Andromeda's fans certainly don't seem to be OK with it.
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Post by jrpN7 on Feb 1, 2021 16:07:37 GMT
I do think that if the game turns out to be good/great, the game could gain momentum In the bargain bin, for $20. Or worse... 50% off $2.95? So... $1.47? I'd rather buy a crispy chicken sandwich from Wendy's. Hope they go easy on the ranch.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2021 16:08:09 GMT
I won’t deny that Cyberpunk benefitted from the reputation of the Witcher 3, but I think you’re forgetting the YEARS of ad campaigns that went into building that hype along with it. Witcher 3 was also such an unusually huge hit it can scarcely be used to demonstrate a norm. I do not, in fact, think the average gaming consumer knows who Respawn or Treyarch are when they pick up their games. Big fans of specific titles or franchises are, like the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda, but most casual gamers are looking at the games and maybe the franchises, not the studio. I disagree. Some studio have reputable names that even normies, to some extent, know them. I am not going to claim that everyone knows them, but a good chunk of their target audience, normies among them included, will know and will stay away. I am not claiming nobody will buy the next DA or the next ME, but selling 1.5 million copies at launch, due to marketing alone and then having your game's sales fall off a cliff is not a sustainable business model. I don't believe people will rush out to buy Bioware's next game. It won’t matter what people think of BioWare. If, by some miracle, the stars align and it receives a better than warm reception from fans, it will not likely suffer a massive sales drop. The game itself actually being bad tends to be the primary reason why these games do. Just look at TLOU2. The game’s unsatisfying story, coupled with Naughty Dog and Sony’s blatantly deceptive ad campaign (not to mention statements from Druckmann himself), are what caused the 80% drop and it flooding the used market.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 16:10:10 GMT
In the bargain bin, for $20. Or worse... 50% off $2.95? So... $1.47? I'd rather buy a crispy chicken sandwich from Wendy's. Hope they go easy on the ranch. I'd rather buy a can of Frosters. 😋
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2021 16:13:14 GMT
Do we, as actual customers, really need to care about anything else? If we got a great game, then that’s a win for us, and fuck the rest. I don't know. What if it gets the Andromeda treatment? Closure in books and related media stuff. Would you be fine with that? Because Andromeda's fans certainly don't seem to be OK with it. To clarify here, when I say “great game”, I mean a game that has a better than positive consensus among players, not whether or not however many fans simply love the game. So, this operates under the assumption that Andromeda is actually a great game, simply undone by bad circumstances. I’m fairly certain that you don’t actually believe this.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 1, 2021 16:13:17 GMT
I won’t deny that Cyberpunk benefitted from the reputation of the Witcher 3, but I think you’re forgetting the YEARS of ad campaigns that went into building that hype along with it. Witcher 3 was also such an unusually huge hit it can scarcely be used to demonstrate a norm. I do not, in fact, think the average gaming consumer knows who Respawn or Treyarch are when they pick up their games. Big fans of specific titles or franchises are, like the Elder Scrolls and Bethesda, but most casual gamers are looking at the games and maybe the franchises, not the studio. I disagree. Some studio have reputable names that even normies, to some extent, know them. I am not going to claim that everyone knows them, but a good chunk of their target audience, normies among them included, will know and will stay away. I am not claiming nobody will buy the next DA or the next ME, but selling 1.5 million copies at launch, due to marketing alone and then having your game's sales fall off a cliff is not a sustainable business model. I don't believe people will rush out to buy Bioware's next game. Even if it turns out to be great and gets glowing reviews all around? That’s the scenario I’ve been discussing. I think an effective advertisement campaign, good reviews, and word of mouth will trump any negative reputation (unless a studio has a reputation for literally stealing people’s credit card information or something). I don’t think anyone but huge fans of the specific franchises (Dragon Age + Mass Effect etc.) will rush to buy regardless. I have a hard time believing average gamers are so vindictive that they’d sit out a good game based on studio enmity. I can see what you describe happening if the game is actually terrible or launches in a broken state, but that’s separate from the issue of whether people will avoid the game en masse based on studio reputation.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 16:33:25 GMT
It won’t matter what people think of BioWare. If, by some miracle, the stars align and it receives a better than warm reception from fans, it will not likely suffer a massive sales drop. The game itself actually being bad tends to be the primary reason why these games do. Just look at TLOU2. The game’s unsatisfying story, coupled with Naughty Dog and Sony’s blatantly deceptive ad campaign (not to mention statements from Druckmann himself), are what caused the 80% drop and it flooding the used market. I don't disagree, but Naughty Dog was a reputable studio, with a stellar streak under its belt, a highly anticipated sequel, a much advertised title and highly praised by the games media. It had everything it needed to make this game a hit. Bioware, on the other hand, has no streak, the moment Bioware shows anyone but Shepard, any anticipation for this title flies out the window, it will get some marketing, the media will most likely be apprehensive, because of public outlook toward Bioware and what good word of mouth it does get, probably won't show up until the bargain bin.
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Post by ahglock on Feb 1, 2021 16:41:04 GMT
I disagree. Some studio have reputable names that even normies, to some extent, know them. I am not going to claim that everyone knows them, but a good chunk of their target audience, normies among them included, will know and will stay away. I am not claiming nobody will buy the next DA or the next ME, but selling 1.5 million copies at launch, due to marketing alone and then having your game's sales fall off a cliff is not a sustainable business model. I don't believe people will rush out to buy Bioware's next game. Even if it turns out to be great and gets glowing reviews all around? That’s the scenario I’ve been discussing. I think an effective advertisement campaign, good reviews, and word of mouth will trump any negative reputation (unless a studio has a reputation for literally stealing people’s credit card information or something). I don’t think anyone but huge fans of the specific franchises (Dragon Age + Mass Effect etc.) will rush to buy regardless. I have a hard time believing average gamers are so vindictive that they’d sit out a good game based on studio enmity. I can see what you describe happening if the game is actually terrible or launches in a broken state, but that’s separate from the issue of whether people will avoid the game en masse based on studio reputation. It is not being vindictive. It trusting past experiences over game reviews.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 16:48:20 GMT
To clarify here, when I say “great game”, I mean a game that has a better than positive consensus among players, not whether or not however many fans simply love the game. So, this operates under the assumption that Andromeda is actually a great game, simply undone by bad circumstances. I’m fairly certain that you don’t actually believe this. No, I don't believe that Andromeda was a "great" game. But evidently, some games share a better fate than others.
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Post by Heimdall on Feb 1, 2021 16:50:46 GMT
Even if it turns out to be great and gets glowing reviews all around? That’s the scenario I’ve been discussing. I think an effective advertisement campaign, good reviews, and word of mouth will trump any negative reputation (unless a studio has a reputation for literally stealing people’s credit card information or something). I don’t think anyone but huge fans of the specific franchises (Dragon Age + Mass Effect etc.) will rush to buy regardless. I have a hard time believing average gamers are so vindictive that they’d sit out a good game based on studio enmity. I can see what you describe happening if the game is actually terrible or launches in a broken state, but that’s separate from the issue of whether people will avoid the game en masse based on studio reputation. It is not being vindictive. It trusting past experiences over game reviews. So, 1 month after release, all the reviewer you follow are recommending it, you’d still refuse to give it a chance based on not liking Andromeda? That’s where it starts to seem vindictive to me.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 16:53:43 GMT
Even if it turns out to be great and gets glowing reviews all around? TLoU2. That’s the scenario I’ve been discussing. I think an effective advertisement campaign, good reviews, and word of mouth will trump any negative reputation (unless a studio has a reputation for literally stealing people’s credit card information or something). I don’t think anyone but huge fans of the specific franchises (Dragon Age + Mass Effect etc.) will rush to buy regardless. Again, TLoU2. Great first week sales, then jumped off a cliff. Only, this game, won't even get that first week of sales. So even if word of mouth that it is actually a "great" game, it will be a while for sales to pick up. I have a hard time believing average gamers are so vindictive that they’d sit out a good game based on studio enmity. I don't think they'll sit it out. But they may take 2-3 months to pick it up. Bargain bin sales. After all, Inquisition is Bioware's best game ever.
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