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Post by Hrungr on Dec 3, 2020 22:05:59 GMT
Whelp... I certainly didn't expect this to happen. It feels like Casey just came back. I wish them all the best though!
If anything, I thought Patrick would be the next one to go. I'm getting a vibe that he'd like to do something else. I think if his novels had been more successful, he would have moved on by now.
So Christian Dailey is taking over Dragon Age. He's been the "face" for Anthem for a quite a while now. I wonder who'll take over, and if that means he'll be moving to Edmonton. I'd assume so...
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Post by Grog Muffins on Dec 3, 2020 22:07:07 GMT
The fact that Casey singled out SWTOR and Anthem in his post makes the paranoid hamster wheels in my brain turn. SWTOR is getting it's first story installment in over a year next Wednesday. I don't follow Anthem 2.0's progress, so I don't know how that's going. Mike left when DA4 got rebooted and, whatever the reasons for his departure, he did leave at a time when his absence wouldn't have impacted the project. As far as we know, DA4 is well on track, albeit slow, so Mark leaving now is pretty strange. And Casey left once, came back, and is now leaving again 3 years later. Paranoid hamster wheels.
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Post by kumazan on Dec 3, 2020 22:07:12 GMT
Ah well, waiting for the inevitable Jason Schreir article now, I guess. No way this is just them leaving by their own accord. Darrah's article is specially obvious.
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Post by necrowaif on Dec 3, 2020 22:07:53 GMT
So Christian Dailey is taking over Dragon Age. He's been the "face" for Anthem for a quite a while now.
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 3, 2020 22:08:10 GMT
I wouldn't worry about the projects in production. This departure won't affect them. At least, if they do get canceled, Casey and Mark leaving won't be the reason behind it. This announcement has been a long time coming, as far back as September 2019, perhaps. If any of the games do get canceled from here on, would be because of the progress and/or quality of the content produced so far. I know how it looks, but technically, this changes very few things. And since this is coming from me, who is a little known for being a bit too critical, I hope you understand why I am being reassuring. The only variable I can't account for, is the newcomers and how they will influence things going forward, though I assume the teams will remain mostly unaffected in their projects in the immediate future. What manner of heresy be this? Sirpetrakus, posting a reasonable take? This is how we know 2020 is sparing no one, folks
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 3, 2020 22:10:35 GMT
This announcement has been a long time coming, as far back as September 2019, perhaps. Interesting, any more on this? Anthem related? Or did they decide to leave then but agreed to stay on for a period of time?
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Post by correctamundo on Dec 3, 2020 22:10:51 GMT
So I guess the end is now nigherererestest.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Dec 3, 2020 22:12:06 GMT
I just..why leave together? and on the eve of DA day? It really feels so sudden
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Post by githcheater on Dec 3, 2020 22:12:11 GMT
For me, it’s been the realization that I still have tremendous energy to create, but also that I need to try something different. I’m not sure exactly what that is yet, but I know that I want to start by rediscovering my creative passion through more personal work. The above comment from Casey is concerning to me. Who, in their right mind quits a job voluntarily, when they don't have something else planned?
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Post by ellanathehamster on Dec 3, 2020 22:12:50 GMT
And the post from EA lady. Did she want to do something like damage control? why post it? what she has to do on Bioware site?
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Post by luketrevelyan on Dec 3, 2020 22:13:10 GMT
Ah well, waiting for the inevitable Jason Schreir article now, I guess. No way this is just them leaving by their own accord. Darrah's article is specially obvious. Interestingly, Jason seemed surprised as well. From Twitter: "Wow. The studio head of BioWare and executive producer of Dragon Age 4 have both abruptly resigned"
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 3, 2020 22:14:59 GMT
At the end of the day, I'd suggest it has been a really, really long time since Mark wrote any code for Dragon Age. So I'm not bothered by the news in the sense of the quality of work (not that I know what it is currently like, of course). He was the 'guiding hand', though. So it'll be interesting to see what a change in that position brings. I'm very unconcerned that DA4 is going to become a looter-slasher. Could do...I suppose, but I doubt it. Hey...possible up-side...they know there'll be some level of concern in the DA fanbase so they rush out some ACTUAL INFORMATION FOR US TO TALK ABOUT!!!!!!!!
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 3, 2020 22:15:57 GMT
I don’t know what to take away from this but I’m feeling very apprehensive.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 3, 2020 22:16:35 GMT
For me, it’s been the realization that I still have tremendous energy to create, but also that I need to try something different. I’m not sure exactly what that is yet, but I know that I want to start by rediscovering my creative passion through more personal work. The above comment from Casey is concerning to me. Who, in their right mind quits a job voluntarily, when they don't have something else planned? Someone with plenty of money and the knowledge that they can get another job 'on their level' whenever they feel ready. And yes, there are plenty of those people around. Also - he might simply be lying. He may already have his next move lined up but isn't ready to talk about it yet.
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Post by githcheater on Dec 3, 2020 22:16:39 GMT
I don’t know what’s next for me, but I’m excited to find out. Just as I’m excited to find out what Dragon Age now becomes. this from Mark is also similarly concerning to me
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Post by ellanathehamster on Dec 3, 2020 22:19:04 GMT
I don’t know what’s next for me, but I’m excited to find out. Just as I’m excited to find out what Dragon Age now becomes. this from Mark is also similarly concerning to me Yes. What DA now becomes? so they still figuring out major stuff. Meaning reboot?
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Post by Little Bengel on Dec 3, 2020 22:21:11 GMT
I don’t know what to take away from this but I’m feeling very apprehensive. I don't blame you. Mark leaving the project crossed that threshold for me as well. Hey...possible up-side...they know there'll be some level of concern in the DA fanbase so they rush out some ACTUAL INFORMATION FOR US TO TALK ABOUT!!!!!!!! I like your optimism. Here's hoping.
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Post by Hrungr on Dec 3, 2020 22:21:25 GMT
Well, the timing with DA Day can't be coincidental, so I expect we'll hear more from BioWare on DA tomorrow. Something to help smooth this news over.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 3, 2020 22:22:52 GMT
this from Mark is also similarly concerning to me Yes. What DA now becomes? so they still figuring out major stuff. Meaning reboot? Sounds to me like there might some disagreement in the studio or higher ups about direction, worst case scenario. I have a lot of faith in Mark Darrah so this is shaking me, I admit.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 3, 2020 22:22:56 GMT
Well, the timing with DA Day can't be coincidental, so I expect we'll hear more from BioWare on DA tomorrow. Something to help smooth this news over. Nonsense. It's already December 4th and they've said NOTHING!
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 3, 2020 22:23:21 GMT
No way this is just them leaving by their own accord. That is true. Though the decision wasn't entirely one sided. I have been on the record saying that the news update we got last September, about DA4, Anthem Next and the ME5 were not made without some heavy concessions on Bioware's part. I was not aware of one of them being Mark stepping down. I still don't expect it to influence development and what guidelines were laid from EA were laid down then, which isn't going to change significantly in terms of the final product. I mean, the quality of the content is entirely dependent on the studio, but certain goals, in terms of RoI and monetization aren't going to change. How those have influenced the game, in terms of the final product will look like, I can't tell you. Luke Barrett would be a better person to ask. What manner of heresy be this? Sirpetrakus, posting a reasonable take? This is how we know 2020 is sparing no one, folks 2020 has little to do with it. Anything that would have influenced the games has already happened. Everything else, in terms of creative vision, is entirely on how well the studio uses the time afforded to it. Again, I am not aware of any specific Q targeted for release, but I would not expect the game to be developed and hitting the market, in less that 24 months. I am still guestimating it for late Q3/early Q4 2023, with a possible delay into Q1 2024.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 3, 2020 22:27:07 GMT
I don’t know what to take away from this but I’m feeling very apprehensive. I'm on a 'wait and see'. Both of them, senior and 'old-timers' leaving at the same time was always going to ratchet up the energy around the announcement, but until we actually hear (or better yet, see) something real about the game, for me, it is just people moving on from their jobs. Which happens all the time, in every industry. Hey...possible up-side...they know there'll be some level of concern in the DA fanbase so they rush out some ACTUAL INFORMATION FOR US TO TALK ABOUT!!!!!!!! I like your optimism. Here's hoping. I'm literally made of sunshine and happy thoughts.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Dec 3, 2020 22:29:12 GMT
Interesting, any more on this? Anthem related? Or did they decide to leave then but agreed to stay on for a period of time? Well, this is a little complicated. A lot of things needed to change internally, a lot of decisions needed to be made and a lot of creative differences needed to happen, before either, although, again, I only knew about Casey, would step down. This isn't a panic move, this isn't a spontaneous departure. At least, EA had a plan for this. I don't know enough of the specifics, unfortunately. That is above the pay grade I am privy to.
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Post by Heimdall on Dec 3, 2020 22:32:30 GMT
I don’t know what to take away from this but I’m feeling very apprehensive. I'm on a 'wait and see'. Both of them, senior and 'old-timers' leaving at the same time was always going to ratchet up the energy around the announcement, but until we actually hear (or better yet, see) something real about the game, for me, it is just people moving on from their jobs. Which happens all the time, in every industry. Yeah, that’s a wise position to be in. I have a lot of faith in those two though. Casey seems to have been a more capable manager than his predecessor and Mark seemed to have genuinely learned the lessons of DAI’s development. Both of them leaving so suddenly is a bit shocking. Some new info would help a great deal to soothe my rattled nerves though.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 3, 2020 22:34:06 GMT
And the post from EA lady. Did she want to do something like damage control? why post it? what she has to do on Bioware site? It's the official business post to say the studio manager is leaving and name his interim successor: Samantha Ryan. It's rather surprising they actually put Laura Miele's name on it. But this is terribly news, not really people leaving after 20 years, but that Samantha Ryan is now in-charge. Her idea of what a RPG is doesn't really match with BioWare's (old) vision and she could do a lots of damage if she stays around too long. Also, expect other people to leave the studio. These kind of departure usually leads to more people looking elsewhere.
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