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Post by swbrandt on Dec 5, 2020 17:17:20 GMT
I've been playing a lot of BG3 in Early Access and so far (granted it's at least a year from release) it doesn't look to have a fully voiced PC. The PC's dialog is almost exclusively text only. I can remember one spot where my PC had voiced lines that were animated (and it wasn't chosen dialog, it was a scripted remark). There are also places that the PC voices a reaction to their environment. But if they're going to make all the dialog voiced for all those potential origin characters plus the four (2 male, 2 female) custom PC voices... this game is not going to come out in a year. I don't think it's at all likely, given the design they have implemented so far. The Reddit AMA made it seem like BG3 pcs would be fully voiced, but maybe they changed their mind or I misunderstood? Of course anything is possible, but that isn't what they've done so far. And it would be a boatload of work. My personal guess is it will be some kind of hybrid, where there are scripted lines that are voiced (possibly even animated) but when choosing dialog it's text.
And to keep it back on the topic of this thread, the costs of adding a the Inqui as a second protagonist in DA4 (with four voice actors) would be high, and the return for the average player pretty low. I always try to keep in mind that I am not the average DA player. I actually finish the game not once but multiple times, and get invested in the characters. Many players don't even finish once. Others will start the franchise new with DA4. Like it or not, video games are a business. And they have to make decisions based not just on how they see the story going, but based on costs and return on investment. From a business point of view, one new protagonist is logical. I also would love to see the Inqui come back to finish off her narrative with Solas, but I'm pragmatic about it. I know it's unlikely. I expect any upcoming trailer to confirm a new PC.
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Post by azarhal on Dec 5, 2020 17:32:01 GMT
I've been playing a lot of BG3 in Early Access and so far (granted it's at least a year from release) it doesn't look to have a fully voiced PC. The PC's dialog is almost exclusively text only. I can remember one spot where my PC had voiced lines that were animated (and it wasn't chosen dialog, it was a scripted remark). There are also places that the PC voices a reaction to their environment. But if they're going to make all the dialog voiced for all those potential origin characters plus the four (2 male, 2 female) custom PC voices... this game is not going to come out in a year. I don't think it's at all likely, given the design they have implemented so far. The Reddit AMA made it seem like BG3 pcs would be fully voiced, but maybe they changed their mind or I misunderstood? They consider DOS2 to be fully voiced too. BG3 first presentation had the origin VO being their own narrator which included DOS2 dialogue options style narrating, but people complained about it and they removed it. So now they have a single narrator and dialogue choices aren't voiced when you play as that character. I don't think how it is now will change as they have to support minimum 12 voice actors (4 voices for custom PCs + 8 origins minimum) and way too many tags. Oh and the EA already has more dialogues than ME1 did...and it's not even all of Act 1.
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Post by swbrandt on Dec 5, 2020 17:37:26 GMT
The Reddit AMA made it seem like BG3 pcs would be fully voiced, but maybe they changed their mind or I misunderstood? They consider DOS2 to be fully voiced too. BG3 first presentation had the origin VO being their own narrator which included DOS2 dialogue options style narrating, but people complained about it and they removed it. So now they have a single narrator and dialogue choices aren't voiced when you play as that character. I don't think how it is now will change as they have to support minimum 12 voice actors (4 voices for custom PCs + 8 origins minimum) and way too many tags. Oh and the EA already has more dialogues than ME1 did...and it's not even all of Act 1. Yes, this exactly. Games like BG3 and DA have so, so much dialog that every single extra voice actor added is a huge additional cost.
The BG3 PC makes enough commentary in the world that I have a good idea what her voice sounds like, which is cool. It's not quite as powerful as a fully voiced PC like the Inqui, but it's pretty good, and allows me to hear her voice in my head when I choose the text-based lines.
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Post by Frost on Dec 5, 2020 20:36:54 GMT
They consider DOS2 to be fully voiced too. BG3 first presentation had the origin VO being their own narrator which included DOS2 dialogue options style narrating, but people complained about it and they removed it. So now they have a single narrator and dialogue choices aren't voiced when you play as that character. I don't think how it is now will change as they have to support minimum 12 voice actors (4 voices for custom PCs + 8 origins minimum) and way too many tags. Oh and the EA already has more dialogues than ME1 did...and it's not even all of Act 1. Yes, this exactly. Games like BG3 and DA have so, so much dialog that every single extra voice actor added is a huge additional cost.
The BG3 PC makes enough commentary in the world that I have a good idea what her voice sounds like, which is cool. It's not quite as powerful as a fully voiced PC like the Inqui, but it's pretty good, and allows me to hear her voice in my head when I choose the text-based lines.
Makes sense for BG3. I like either a voiced or silent pc. It was just unclear to me from the AMA.
It seems likely Bioware will show a new pc in the Game Awards trailer. I am sure ditching the Inquisitor as pc is cheaper and easier, which I guess is all Bioware cares about now.
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Post by phoray on Dec 5, 2020 20:39:05 GMT
Hey, there's always a chance DA4 opens with Solas deciding the Inquisitor is too much trouble and killing them after all! (Or - and this is my current pet theory and favourite option - turning them to stone. Takes them out of the narrative and explains why a new protagonist is needed, and that way they can be un-stoned at the end. We already know the process is potentially survivable from Isabela's side-quest during Mark of the Assassin.) So many confused Qunari in the Crossroads. So many.
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Post by apollexander on Dec 6, 2020 3:55:15 GMT
I wonder if we are going to get a cinematic trailer that reveals who the protagonist is and who our companions are. First we need to get a title of the game.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 4:04:43 GMT
I wonder if we are going to get a cinematic trailer that reveals who the protagonist is and who our companions are. First we need to get a title of the game. why not all three at once?
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Post by NotN7 on Dec 6, 2020 4:08:55 GMT
First we need to get a title of the game. why not all three at once? LOL! that just might be too reviling got to keep the hype train rolling
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 4:13:53 GMT
why not all three at once? LOL! that just might be too reviling got to keep the hype train rolling Iactually missed the bit in the companions in the OP and yeah I doubt we wll get toomuch info on them. But I do think we will get... -A cinematic trailer. -Title reveal -Some sort of reveal on our protagonist. Maybe not full on info dump but given they have referenced the protag on the website I find it likely that could be the reason of. -Maybe some shots of our companions but no real information on who they are. -Gareth David Lloyd...I mean SOlas...waxing eloquent on something.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2020 6:55:20 GMT
Where was that stated? I’d say that I’m sorry for Hanako given the fact that it makes a new PC basically sure, but I do like the premise as it’s written, compared to other kind of possible summaries.
By the way we all expect that Dragon Age 4 is named Dragon Age: Something but what if is it just Dragon Age?
“The team are hard at work on ‘the next Dragon Age’.” ”soft reboot” of the series, to incorporate “live service”. I mean, I’ll not pretend to like the notion, but it would track with what little has been said.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 7:10:56 GMT
By the way we all expect that Dragon Age 4 is named Dragon Age: Something but what if is it just Dragon Age?
“The team are hard at work on ‘the next Dragon Age’.” ”soft reboot” of the series, to incorporate “live service”. I mean, I’ll not pretend to like the notion, but it would track with what little has been said. quoting both of you. A. Thats a horrendous idea. B. I doubt it.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 7:31:40 GMT
LOL! that just might be too reviling got to keep the hype train rolling Iactually missed the bit in the companions in the OP and yeah I doubt we wll get toomuch info on them. But I do think we will get... -A cinematic trailer. -Title reveal -Some sort of reveal on our protagonist. Maybe not full on info dump but given they have referenced the protag on the website I find it likely that could be the reason of. -Maybe some shots of our companions but no real information on who they are. -Gareth David Lloyd...I mean SOlas...waxing eloquent on something. The first two are closely connected to each other. They won't give us a cinematic trailer without a title reveal. I do expect the site to be updated if there's a trailer at the VGA, although I'm keeping my expectations low on what kind of info they'd reveal in this case. I'd like that, even without going into too much details, they'd make some stuff clearer, like the protagonist, but we'll see. Overall, I just hope they're not hyping too much the event, because people will end up disappointed, even more so considering the rollercoaster that was this week. If they said nothing before the VGA (but the departures right before DA day 'forced' them to do some kind of damage control) and we'd have getting something minimal, people wouldn't have reacted as negatively as they'd after revealing DA's presence a week before. And give that the Lead Producer tweeted 'nope' at one assuming that they'd just show interviews of people telling how much they love DA, people are obviously assuming that there'll be some kind of showing.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2020 7:33:35 GMT
“The team are hard at work on ‘the next Dragon Age’.” ”soft reboot” of the series, to incorporate “live service”. I mean, I’ll not pretend to like the notion, but it would track with what little has been said. quoting both of you. A. Thats a horrendous idea. B. I doubt it. I doubt it as well, but it would still track well with the things they’ve said so far.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 7:39:07 GMT
By the way we all expect that Dragon Age 4 is named Dragon Age: Something but what if is it just Dragon Age?
“The team are hard at work on ‘the next Dragon Age’.” ”soft reboot” of the series, to incorporate “live service”. I mean, I’ll not pretend to like the notion, but it would track with what little has been said. I mean, not really, or at least, not what the devs as said in blogs, tweets, the Gamescon dev diary or the summary on the website. What they said honestly match descriptions of their previous games, at least in regards of being normal SP modes. Even Hudson's words on 'live service' being something Bioware did for years was damage control on the notion of live servive for DA4 being similar to Anthem. Now, am I fully confident that we won't get an Anthem, Destiny situation? Nope. I can't help but remain a bit skeptical to the whole 'live service' issue, until we have more definite information. And I think overall remaining skeptical is good. But, what the actual devs on the team stated so far didn't imply that the SP mode would be any different from what it was before.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 7:47:26 GMT
Iactually missed the bit in the companions in the OP and yeah I doubt we wll get toomuch info on them. But I do think we will get... -A cinematic trailer. -Title reveal -Some sort of reveal on our protagonist. Maybe not full on info dump but given they have referenced the protag on the website I find it likely that could be the reason of. -Maybe some shots of our companions but no real information on who they are. -Gareth David Lloyd...I mean SOlas...waxing eloquent on something. The first two are closely connected to each other. They won't give us a cinematic trailer without a title reveal. I do expect the site to be updated if there's a trailer at the VGA, although I'm keeping my expectations low on what kind of info they'd reveal in this case. I'd like that, even without going into too much details, they'd make some stuff clearer, like the protagonist, but we'll see. Overall, I just hope they're not hyping too much the event, because people will end up disappointed, even more so considering the rollercoaster that was this week. If they said nothing before the VGA (but the departures right before DA day 'forced' them to do some kind of damage control) and we'd have getting something minimal, people wouldn't have reacted as negatively as they'd after revealing DA's presence a week before. And give that the Lead Producer tweeted 'nope' at one assuming that they'd just show interviews of people telling how much they love DA, people are obviously assuming that there'll be some kind of showing. well they really haven't hyped it though. One announcement and one tweet is not hyping. I am trying to keep my expectations reasonable, say about the level of the Fires Above, but its telling i am more excited for this trailer then most games.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2020 7:51:21 GMT
“The team are hard at work on ‘the next Dragon Age’.” ”soft reboot” of the series, to incorporate “live service”. I mean, I’ll not pretend to like the notion, but it would track with what little has been said. I mean, not really, or at least, not what the devs as said in blogs, tweets, the Gamescon dev diary or the summary on the website. What they said honestly match descriptions of their previous games, at least in regards of being normal SP modes. Even Hudson's words on 'live service' being something Bioware did for years was damage control on the notion of live servive for DA4 being similar to Anthem. Now, am I fully confident that we won't get an Anthem, Destiny situation? Nope. I can't help but remain a bit skeptical to the whole 'live service' issue, until we have more definite information. And I think overall remaining skeptical is good. But, what the actual devs on the team stated so far didn't imply that the SP mode would be any different from what it was before. Again; I doubt this will happen as well. I only raised it because, if it did happen, it certainly couldn’t be claimed they didn’t hint at it. Before we knew “Inquisition”, it was DA3. I might be wrong, but I think briefly it was even Dragon Age III: Inquisition (although that may have just been a forum/internet discussion thing as opposed to an official name). To the best of my memory, they’ve only ever called the “upcoming DA game”, the “Next Dragon Age”. Coupled with the ‘soft reboot’ that Schreier reported on, it isn’t totally unthinkable that they’d do away with the subtitle and/or numbering altogether for the full live service experience (which I wouldn’t like and don’t actually think they’re doing). Like you, I’m sceptical over what ‘live service’ means for, and in the context of, the next DA game, but I really hope Anthem (or Destiny) with dragons is far, far in the distance of a worst case scenario. Hopefully this is just a case of overthinking it and looking for the worst in a year that has been chock full of reasons to expect it.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 7:51:32 GMT
The first two are closely connected to each other. They won't give us a cinematic trailer without a title reveal. I do expect the site to be updated if there's a trailer at the VGA, although I'm keeping my expectations low on what kind of info they'd reveal in this case. I'd like that, even without going into too much details, they'd make some stuff clearer, like the protagonist, but we'll see. Overall, I just hope they're not hyping too much the event, because people will end up disappointed, even more so considering the rollercoaster that was this week. If they said nothing before the VGA (but the departures right before DA day 'forced' them to do some kind of damage control) and we'd have getting something minimal, people wouldn't have reacted as negatively as they'd after revealing DA's presence a week before. And give that the Lead Producer tweeted 'nope' at one assuming that they'd just show interviews of people telling how much they love DA, people are obviously assuming that there'll be some kind of showing. well they really haven't hyped it though. One announcement and one tweet is not hyping. I am trying to keep my expectations reasonable, say about the level of the Fires Above, but its telling i am more excited for this trailer then most games. Well, having the head of the VGA announce straight away the presence of the game at the VGA would generate quite a bit of hype. But yes, I mostly meant 'hype' in regards of a trailer, even a cinematic one like TFA. People were saying DA4 wouldn't be at the VGA, and that it'd even be more unlikely to have a trailer. Granted, if we're referring to in-game footage, then no, I don't think anyone is expecting this even after the announcement and the tweet. But it's still a big deal to many people to finally see a trailer for the next DA.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 6, 2020 7:53:59 GMT
well they really haven't hyped it though. One announcement and one tweet is not hyping. I am trying to keep my expectations reasonable, say about the level of the Fires Above, but its telling i am more excited for this trailer then most games. Well, having the head of the VGA announce straight away the presence of the game at the VGA would generate quite a bit of hype. But yes, I mostly meant 'hype' in regards of a trailer, even a cinematic one like TFA. People were saying DA4 wouldn't be at the VGA, and that it'd even be more unlikely to have a trailer. Granted, if we're referring to in-game footage, then no, I don't think anyone is expecting this even after the announcement and the tweet. But it's still a big deal to many people to finally see a trailer for the next DA. i don't expect to see gameplay thats for sure.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 7:57:34 GMT
I mean, not really, or at least, not what the devs as said in blogs, tweets, the Gamescon dev diary or the summary on the website. What they said honestly match descriptions of their previous games, at least in regards of being normal SP modes. Even Hudson's words on 'live service' being something Bioware did for years was damage control on the notion of live servive for DA4 being similar to Anthem. Now, am I fully confident that we won't get an Anthem, Destiny situation? Nope. I can't help but remain a bit skeptical to the whole 'live service' issue, until we have more definite information. And I think overall remaining skeptical is good. But, what the actual devs on the team stated so far didn't imply that the SP mode would be any different from what it was before. Again; I doubt this will happen as well. I only raised it because, if it did happen, it certainly couldn’t be claimed they didn’t hint at it. Before we knew “Inquisition”, it was DA3. I might be wrong, but I think briefly it was even Dragon Age III: Inquisition (although that may have just been a forum/internet discussion thing as opposed to an official name). To the best of my memory, they’ve only ever called the “upcoming DA game”, the “Next Dragon Age”. Coupled with the ‘soft reboot’ that Schreier reported on, it isn’t totally unthinkable that they’d do away with the subtitle and/or numbering altogether for the full live service experience (which I wouldn’t like and don’t actually think they’re doing). Like you, I’m sceptical over what ‘live service’ means for, and in the context of, the next DA game, but I really hope Anthem (or Destiny) with dragons is far, far in the distance of a worst case scenario. Hopefully this is just a case of overthinking it and looking for the worst in a year that has been chock full of reasons to expect it. In regards of the title, I don't think the two situations are the same, because Laidlaw made a blog post or announcment the year before The Fires Above trailer, calling the next game in development DA3: Inquisition. It wasn't a hint, but a clear statement. I think they simply later decided to drop the number from the title. And they *did* kind of hint at something that could relate to a subtite with the 'The Dread Wolf Rises' hashtag. But yeah, my point was mostly about the live service situation, not the title. And what the devs hinted or the summary and blogs stated on the game *seems* to match a normal experience. To be fair, in Schreier's report there were conflicting opinions on what will happen to DA in regards of the live service situation, so it wasn't and isn't clear. But year, I get the 'looking for the worst' part. That's why I'd like that any update of the site after the VGA would help clarifying the situation.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 7:59:26 GMT
Well, having the head of the VGA announce straight away the presence of the game at the VGA would generate quite a bit of hype. But yes, I mostly meant 'hype' in regards of a trailer, even a cinematic one like TFA. People were saying DA4 wouldn't be at the VGA, and that it'd even be more unlikely to have a trailer. Granted, if we're referring to in-game footage, then no, I don't think anyone is expecting this even after the announcement and the tweet. But it's still a big deal to many people to finally see a trailer for the next DA. i don't expect to see gameplay thats for sure. Yeah, me neither. But I think that people woud be more then happy with a cinematic trailer, since many were doubtful we'd get on this early (although I suspected after the Gamescon dev diary that there was a bit of possibility for a cinematic reveal at the VGA).
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2020 7:59:38 GMT
Well, having the head of the VGA announce straight away the presence of the game at the VGA would generate quite a bit of hype. But yes, I mostly meant 'hype' in regards of a trailer, even a cinematic one like TFA. People were saying DA4 wouldn't be at the VGA, and that it'd even be more unlikely to have a trailer. Granted, if we're referring to in-game footage, then no, I don't think anyone is expecting this even after the announcement and the tweet. But it's still a big deal to many people to finally see a trailer for the next DA. i don't expect to see gameplay thats for sure. Neither do I. Having said that...EA told investors/shareholders not to expect TNDA before the end of March 2022, right? That is, unless I’m reading a calendar incorrectly, less than 16 months away (as an earliest possible case). Not expecting it, at all, but stranger things have happened. But yeah, can’t see it.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2020 8:07:21 GMT
i don't expect to see gameplay thats for sure. Neither do I. Having said that...EA told investors/shareholders not to expect TNDA before the end of March 2022, right? That is, unless I’m reading a calendar incorrectly, less than 16 months away (as an earliest possible case). Not expecting it, at all, but stranger things have happened. But yeah, can’t see it. So not 16 months, but 14 is pretty close.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Dec 6, 2020 8:09:42 GMT
Neither do I. Having said that...EA told investors/shareholders not to expect TNDA before the end of March 2022, right? That is, unless I’m reading a calendar incorrectly, less than 16 months away (as an earliest possible case). Not expecting it, at all, but stranger things have happened. But yeah, can’t see it. So not 16 months, but 14 is pretty close. Ugh, quoting myself multiple times...the flip side, of course, is that this was released in the year Inquisition was originally supposed to release (2013), before the delay which gave us the Cullen and Solas romances as well as playable races. So yeah, all the money still on ‘no gameplay’.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 6, 2020 8:19:20 GMT
By the way we all expect that Dragon Age 4 is named Dragon Age: Something but what if is it just Dragon Age?
“The team are hard at work on ‘the next Dragon Age’.” ”soft reboot” of the series, to incorporate “live service”. I mean, I’ll not pretend to like the notion, but it would track with what little has been said. I can see it. The game starts with like a 10 year timeskip so around 9:50. The protagonist will be a young character, and the game follows them throughout the rest of the Dragon Age with a variety of different adventures. Like DA2, but each act is a whole game.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 6, 2020 8:32:27 GMT
So not 16 months, but 14 is pretty close. Ugh, quoting myself multiple times...the flip side, of course, is that this was released in the year Inquisition was originally supposed to release (2013), before the delay which gave us the Cullen and Solas romances as well as playable races. So yeah, all the money still on ‘no gameplay’. I still don’t expect gameplay, but to be fair, that video gameplay, first shown at PAX East in late August/early September behind closed doors, was shown a few months after The Fires Above cinematic trailer, that announced formally the game and revealed the release date of a year afterwards. When the video gameplay was shown, we already saw the cinematica trailer and we already had the Game Informer coverage, and we already know the game wasn’t going to be released that year. So, BioWare already knew the game wasn’t going to be released that year. But, it’s still too close-ish to release compared to now, expecially given that a Delay from the original timeframe for DA4 is almost sure, due to COvid.
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