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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 31, 2021 17:40:43 GMT
Choosing to make another game in the franchise is a marketing decision, as well. In fact, making any product is inherently a marketing decision. EA deciding to back another game is a marketing decision. EA closing Bioware, because they are not willing to back another one of their games, would also be a marketing decision. Bringing Ryder back is also a marketing decision. Making a new character would also be a marketing decision. Key word here is “strictly”. BioWare’s never resurrected a protagonist with a variable end state, and the character they did bring back despite being able to be killed had less than stellar results. I see this being no different in the end. I see your point, Kaiser....But I'm curious to what character or franchise are you referring?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 31, 2021 20:31:07 GMT
Key word here is “strictly”. BioWare’s never resurrected a protagonist with a variable end state Mass Effect 3 did it. Shepard can die in Mass Effect 2. So patently false. Also, Liara can die in ME3, yet, here she is. the character they did bring back despite being able to be killed had less than stellar results Are we talking about Leliana, Shepard, Liara, Rachni Queen or ... I see this being no different in the end. It's all about the execution. If they make a shit Shepard, what makes anyone think they'll make a better Ryder or new protagonist? What chances are there that a Ryder, or new protagonist, will outsell a shit Shepard? You typically make a game people want to play. Which is why Bioware isn't making another Jade Empire. Is that not a marketing decision?
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Post by biggydx on Jan 31, 2021 22:32:13 GMT
I feel like a lot of the apprehension that people have about starring a new protagonist has much less to do with the premise, and more to do with peoples lack of confidence in BioWare to make a compelling main character. Skepticism in that regard is fine, but if you're also someone who thinks that BioWare has completely gone off the deep end why would you even want them to bring Shepard back? Wouldn't you be scared that they'd ruin the identity of the character and their companions?
Putting pessimism aside, you're also bringing back a lot of the baggage that the Shepards story and decisions would bring about; not just the ME3 ending. At least with a new protagonist, the major front-facing issue is the handling of the ME3 ending in the next game.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 31, 2021 22:45:29 GMT
Wouldn't you be scared that they'd ruin the identity of the character and their companions? Only in their attempt to do so malevolently. Which is unlikely. Putting pessimism aside, you're also bringing back a lot of the baggage that the Shepards story and decisions would bring about; Nobody cares anymore. It's been 9 years. We know our choices amounted to nothing. We knew the moment we got to that little blue shit in the ending.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jan 31, 2021 23:27:21 GMT
Key word here is “strictly”. BioWare’s never resurrected a protagonist with a variable end state, and the character they did bring back despite being able to be killed had less than stellar results. I see this being no different in the end. I see your point, Kaiser....But I'm curious to what character or franchise are you referring? Dragon Age: Origins comes to mind, or more specifically, the Awakening expansion. I felt like this was particularly lackluster in that the Warden’s dialogue options, such as they were, felt entirely homogenized so that it could mostly fit in with the distinct possibility that this character could be dead and replaced by the Orlesian stand-in. It was made even worse in that Oghren practically forgot that we were his friend and needed to build up a rapport with again. Granted, this wouldn’t be the identical issue with another game centered around Shepard, but this game is most definitely going to be a kind of soft reboot, either totally committing to a single ending, or homogenizing certain elements of multiple endings, and Shepard will be reflective of that by being a character restored and assuming the fixed baggage set as dictated by whatever past events BioWare wishes to acknowledge rather than any player choices. Unlike the Warden in Awakening, this hypothetical Shepard is going to be a lvl 1 character, with an updated set of abilities and dialogue, and for all intents and purposes, be a new character with a familiar name that we’ll try [and probably mostly fail] to recreate with the new character creator.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 1, 2021 14:48:56 GMT
I would greatly prefer a new protagonist from the Milky Way. Shepard should be left alone, especially by whoever wrote MEA. That's why I voted that I don't want Shepard or his companions to return. Andromeda's setting and characters don't interest me enough to miss out on 600+ years of Milky Way developments just to catch up with them. But that's just me and I don't expect BioWare to care for my preferences in any way. They will and should do their thing as they think is best, and I will decide whether the result is worth my time and money. Hopefully it will be something that many people enjoy. Milky way or Lemon Slice nebula - it doesn't really matter. The setting is important. And if you can't figure out a good post apocalypse scenario for your setting it might just be for the nollocks. MEA wasn't as compelling as MET, and it was not because the lack of Reapers, or a lack of unifying big threat. In particular they just did that again with the Kett. Holocaust aliens that turn whole people into themselves genetically.
Who invents all this stuff? I liked Star Trek. But the first season of TNG was pretty bad. MEA is like Wesley Crusherappearing on screen with me rather pining top see more of Beverage Crusher. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure a character-driven, personal story can work without genocidal threat background. Give us interesting stories and characters - I don't care if someone manages to find out how to make an open world. That's kinda yesterday already. Everyone does open world.
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Post by jrpN7 on Feb 1, 2021 15:56:12 GMT
For BioWare's survival and my own interest in the franchise from 7 options best to worst: -Shepard returns with the incredible talent and writing we had in MET. Hell, yes; hype train full speed ahead. Unfortunately, I think most of us here have little faith in BioWare pulling this off. -New Protagonist with talented MET writing. This would be a welcoming and fresh start that many of us could rally behind. However, I wonder if it would leave a bad taste for anyone (many of us) wanting Shepard or Ryder back. Plus, with such good writing I personally would question why Shepard couldn't be back and see it as a missed opportunity. -Shepard/new protagonist with decent (therefore better) writing than ME:A. Most likely outcome imo. I'd play and be OK, but I'd still be disappointed here because Shepard with even a fraction of worse writing would be frustrating. If a new protagonist, it could mean finding Shepard sitting alone at a bar for us to run into and he shares a few random stories of his adventures and that's our only interaction with him. Barf. Maybe not, though. He could end up being a mentor. Meh. I guess. -New Protagonist with ME:A writing. Oh, joy. Andromeda 2.0, MW version. -Ryder with MET writing. Honestly, while the good writing would be appreciated, it would be too jarring because many of us see Ryder and gang as no more than clueless college kids joking about and having them suddenly be serious and grown up would actually somehow make it feel that much more off- a dichotomy. Too much broken character development. Like, just yesterday I was watching my nephew suck on his thumbs and now today he's Prime Minister. I'm supposed forget the thumb sucking with a snap and now respect him? -Ryder with repeat ME:A writing. Yeah have fun with that everyone. -Shepard with ME:A writing. God, please no. Can't even imagine the level of betrayal and disgust I would feel here. Don't think many others would be pleased at all and this outcome would be BioWare's ultimate downfall.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Feb 1, 2021 16:25:20 GMT
Is this (still going) on?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 16:57:24 GMT
Is this (still going) on? Get use to it. It's going to go on up until the protagonist reveal.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 1, 2021 16:59:04 GMT
Is this (still going) on? Get use to it. It's going to go on up until the protagonist reveal. And then some. No matter what - somone's gonna be butthurt and write tomes about it.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 1, 2021 17:06:21 GMT
And then some. No matter what - somone's gonna be butthurt and write tomes about it. I'm not gonna make promises, but I might and I might not. Jot me down for more than likely.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 17:19:15 GMT
Get use to it. It's going to go on up until the protagonist reveal. And then some. No matter what - somone's gonna be butthurt and write tomes about it. I'm stockpiling popcorn and vodka as we speak. 😉
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 1, 2021 17:25:57 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back.
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 1, 2021 17:28:12 GMT
-Ryder with MET writing. Honestly, while the good writing would be appreciated, it would be too jarring because many of us see Ryder and gang as no more than clueless college kids joking about and having them suddenly be serious and grown up would actually somehow make it feel that much more off- a dichotomy. Too much broken character development. Like, just yesterday I was watching my nephew suck on his thumbs and now today he's Prime Minister. I'm supposed forget the thumb sucking with a snap and now respect him? Even college students grow up to be "real" men. Or women.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 17:28:38 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back. Wanna place a bet that Bio will make her an LI once again and will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆
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Post by dmc1001 on Feb 1, 2021 17:29:14 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back. Wanna place a bet that Bio will make her an LI once again and will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 Where's a good beam run when you need it?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 17:32:46 GMT
Wanna place a bet that Bio will make her an LI once again and will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 Where's a good beam run when you need it? One does not simply beam run a Mary Sue. 🤣 (But if you want, I could have her face Abbadon the Failmaster... He's plot armour outshines Liara's anyday. )
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 1, 2021 17:37:02 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back. ... will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 I'm not sure what's so bad with being slapped in the face with a hot blue steaming body.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 17:38:44 GMT
... will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 I'm not sure what's so bad with being slapped in the face with a hot blue steaming body. When you have to wash the bloodstains out afterwards. 😈
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Feb 1, 2021 18:30:39 GMT
I'm not sure what's so bad with being slapped in the face with a hot blue steaming body. When you have to wash the bloodstains out afterwards. 😈 And that's when you have psychotic breaks and hallucinatory episodes, the likes of Lady Macbeth, "Out damned spot!"
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Feb 1, 2021 19:22:29 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back. Wanna place a bet that Bio will make her an LI once again and will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 Funny, i was thinking the same lol. That will be awful. I think she won't be and only be an npc.
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Post by KaiserShep on Feb 1, 2021 19:49:16 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back. Wanna place a bet that Bio will make her an LI once again and will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 Even as someone who actually likes Liara, I don’t want her to be a companion or love interest anymore. That whole ship (pun intended) has sailed. I think it’s much more fun to get a new cast and seeing them build their new relationships and friendships. Maybe even a path where we have to earn some characters’ trust, if they can pull it off. Gonna be perfectly frank. BioWare’s approach to romance in Mass Effect, by and large, has been kind of shit. The dynamics can be fun when they’re “settled in”, but the abruptness and awkwardness leading into them is superbly lackluster, and I’d say Liara’s is probably the worst of all. I’d like to see them try again with better writing without relying on a past history as a crutch.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 1, 2021 20:01:20 GMT
My vote is that I want Shep and as many companions as possible back. I just don't think it's likely. The one companion of Shep's that I wouldn't want back is the one who is back. That is possible, depending on the player's playthrough, if refuse was made to be the one Bioware chooses. Just take the edibot and asari on the beam run, with ems below 2000, so that Harbinger can vaporize them. Since the red isn't chosen, the platform would likely go back to being a hologram.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 1, 2021 20:07:24 GMT
Wanna place a bet that Bio will make her an LI once again and will slap the player in the face with her once again? 😆 Even as someone who actually likes Liara, I don’t want her to be a companion or love interest anymore. That whole ship (pun intended) has sailed. I think it’s much more fun to get a new cast and seeing them build their new relationships and friendships. Maybe even a path where we have to earn some characters’ trust, if they can pull it off. Gonna be perfectly frank. BioWare’s approach to romance in Mass Effect, by and large, has been kind of shit. The dynamics can be fun when they’re “settled in”, but the abruptness and awkwardness leading into them is superbly lackluster, and I’d say Liara’s is probably the worst of all. I’d like to see them try again with better writing without relying on a past history as a crutch. True, but I have this gut feeling that is how it's going to go down in MENext.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Feb 1, 2021 20:08:23 GMT
Key word here is “strictly”. BioWare’s never resurrected a protagonist with a variable end state, and the character they did bring back despite being able to be killed had less than stellar results. I see this being no different in the end. I see your point, Kaiser....But I'm curious to what character or franchise are you referring? I am gonna guess he is talking about dragon age origins where leliana can die and yet show up in DA2 and DAI. Same with morrigan from the awakening expansion.
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