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Post by sni2 on Apr 28, 2021 21:22:08 GMT
Good Lord, I am already preparing myself mentally to fight a horde of red wraiths in DA4 and positively dreading the thought. I doubt the process will survive past the comic. Why do you believe that? This concept is a naturally given boss-fight.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 28, 2021 21:27:28 GMT
I doubt the process will survive past the comic. Why do you believe that? This concept is a naturally given boss-fight. Comic plots will probably be kept to the comics.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 28, 2021 21:27:43 GMT
I doubt the process will survive past the comic. Why do you believe that? This concept is a naturally given boss-fight. Mainly because by the end of the comic I expect the sarcophagus to be destroyed and those who know how to do this to be killed.
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Post by sni2 on Apr 28, 2021 21:37:20 GMT
Why do you believe that? This concept is a naturally given boss-fight. Comic plots will probably be kept to the comics. This seems like a waste, IMO. Especially the characters are better than a lot of the ones Bioware have written in past games. But let's wait and see.
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Post by yarus on Apr 29, 2021 1:32:32 GMT
I'm getting serious death flags from Vaea, even moreso than the first issue. Rip elfy knight.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 29, 2021 2:53:59 GMT
thats1evildude@thats1evildude If you’re a #DragonAge fan and you’re not reading Dark Fortress, then you should get on that. Issue 3 is going to have a lot of death and destruction in it. A LOT.
Nunzio DeFilippis @ndefilippis I mean, I can neither confirm or deny this assessment. But ... yeah
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 29, 2021 7:18:11 GMT
I doubt the process will survive past the comic. Comic plots will probably be kept to the comics. I agree with this assessment but of course we may be proven wrong. The thing is the sarcophagus did actually seem to contradict a lot of the DA2 plot with Fenris. Back then he said the process had made him unique and that was the reason Danarius was so determined to recover him. In WoT2 it says how critical it was that the subject of the process didn't flinch during it or the process would be ruined, as you imagine would be the case if they were lyrium tattoos that are drawn onto the skin by hand (which I had always assumed was the case). To be honest, if Danarius always had a sarcophagus that did the process, why not simply use another elven slave to replace Fenris? Why not make several, all loyal to him once the first one had proven a success? So I would have thought the change to the lore was allowed simply for this one off story rather than making it an ongoing problem. Why do you believe that? This concept is a naturally given boss-fight. This may be true although we have had other red lyrium fueled boss fights, including Meredith, so it is hardly something new. Of course we are yet to see exactly what advantages it gives. Also, we know from Horror of Hormack that there are likely to be other boss fights we are going to be involved in that may be even more challenging. After all the only way the monster was stopped in HoH was by dropping a mountain of rock on it.
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Post by Mithras on Apr 29, 2021 14:20:59 GMT
Back then he said the process had made him unique and that was the reason Danarius was so determined to recover him.To be honest, if Danarius always had a sarcophagus that did the process, why not simply use another elven slave to replace Fenris? Why not make several, all loyal to him once the first one had proven a success? So I would have thought the change to the lore was allowed simply for this one off story rather than making it an ongoing problem. "Blue Wraith" establishes that the sarcophagus was believed to be broken beyond repair but Cedric was able to fix it. Presumably, Danarius broke it making Fenris and, assuming it was impossible to fix, focused on getting the elf back.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 29, 2021 14:28:46 GMT
Fenris also describes the process as being extremely long and painful. It may be that other elven slaves put into the sarcophagus simply died and Danarius could never replicate the results.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Apr 29, 2021 15:52:45 GMT
I wonder if we'll finally see how Duncan died at Ostagar if Aaron has another flashback. I know that's taking away from the current crop of characters, but I didn't even see him next to King Cailan at Ostagar. And it would be weird if Aaron only had 2/3 flashbacks in 2/3 issues. Maybe that's just the magic rule of 3. Otherwise, was it or me or was it hard to understand what was going on in some of those pages? Like really hard to follow, especially that one big diamond with all the characters fighting near the end.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 29, 2021 18:36:27 GMT
"Blue Wraith" establishes that the sarcophagus was believed to be broken beyond repair but Cedric was able to fix it. Very convenient plot device. Surely Danarius, who had actually used the sarcophagus and researched its workings, would be better able to fix it than Cedric? As I say, in WoT2 it was definitely implied that the process was that of carefully drawn tattoos rather than simply putting Fenris in a box. Fenris also describes the process as being extremely long and painful. As would be the case with the prolonged artistry needed to have drawn all those tattoos accurately on him. As with any artwork, it would be very difficult to reproduce it exactly on the next victim, particularly if the slightest movement could ruin it. Anyway, we are going to discover more in the next installment and I am curious to find out exactly what the differences are between the powers bestowed by red lyrium over blue. However, if our heroes (or the Qunari) don't ensure the sarcophagus is smashed into little pieces (and then burnt) they will be very remiss and it would be altogether too convenient if it is taken from the scene unscathed.
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Post by necrowaif on Apr 29, 2021 18:48:56 GMT
I mean, the tattoos weren't so much etched on to Fenris in the conventional sense as they were burned into his flesh by magic. However, if our heroes (or the Qunari) don't ensure the sarcophagus is smashed into little pieces (and then burnt) they will be very remiss and it would be altogether too convenient if it is taken from the scene unscathed. The qunari are about to get massacred. They've arrived just in time for Shirallas to demonstrate his vast new powers on a pile of mooks.
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Post by SomberXIII on Apr 30, 2021 3:54:20 GMT
Otherwise, was it or me or was it hard to understand what was going on in some of those pages? Like really hard to follow, especially that one big diamond with all the characters fighting near the end. Not just you. I was confused too. The panels seemed like they were missing some interactions or it felt like they were flashforwarding. It felt rushed and frustrating.
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Post by theascendent on Apr 30, 2021 11:38:40 GMT
Considering how powerful Meredith was with the idol/sword, curious about what it will do with a more compatible being. Not to mention the lingering taint in all Red Lyrium. I doubt Solas will implement this in his forces, he seems vehemently opposed to anything related to the Blight, so no Red Lyrium warriors from him. I wonder if that sarcophagus was the only one of its kind or just like the pools of briny water in Hormak there is more out there. Wouldn't put it past the Evanuris to make something like this to make elite slave soldiers, especially after fighting the Titans and harvesting their blood.
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Post by gervaise21 on Apr 30, 2021 12:31:07 GMT
I doubt Solas will implement this in his forces, he seems vehemently opposed to anything related to the Blight, so no Red Lyrium warriors from him. I wonder if that sarcophagus was the only one of its kind or just like the pools of briny water in Hormak there is more out there. Wouldn't put it past the Evanuris to make something like this to make elite slave soldiers, especially after fighting the Titans and harvesting their blood. Now I obviously it would be a bad idea to second guess what is going to be revealed in the final chapter but there are some things from the current issue that do make me wonder where this is going to take the lore. The ritual is dependent on using a lyrium infused sword which somehow transfers the lyrium to the warrior (melts into the sarcophagus walls and then is injected into the person's skin?). Apparently Danarius used an arcane warrior's sword for the ritual with Fenris. Except we know from DAI that the sword now used by an Arcane Warrior (or Knight Enchanter) is a spirit sword that I thought only became tangible when the AW wielded it (hence me likening it to a light sabre). So does this mean the lore concerning the Arcane Warriors is going to change yet again? (Or is it merely going to revert to what was in DAO, where Spellweaver was a sword infused with lyrium that only an Arcane Warrior could use)
I would also be curious why the Evanuris would need to use such a crude device as the sarcophagus to power up elves who were already magically endowed, as this was prior to the Veil.* Certainly with regard to red lyrium, all the uses we have come across up to now were connected with powering up non-mages. Yet it seems from Blue Wraith that the device could only successfully be used with elves. So if it was created by one of the Evanuris (June maybe?) was the intention always to use it with red lyrium rather than the blue stuff because red lyrium derives its power from somewhere other than the Fade?
So it is going to be interesting to see what is in the next issue, after which Nunzio has indicated a willingness to discuss things further.
*Bear in mind that Cillian (in DAIMP) and the Knight Enchanter spec (that Solas said was replicating what Arcane Warriors could do) are both capable of Fade Cloak, which renders them briefly invulnerable to enemy attack and also allows them to pass through enemies without harm or even de-materialise inside of them causing massive damage, all of which seem very similar to what Fenris does does when he utilises his Lyrium Ghost ability and Spirit Pulse. The Arcane Warrior is also able to Fade Step. The Arcane Warrior abilities can be acquired simply by dedicated training, without the need for anything other than their spirit sword to activate them. So the only reason I can see for the Evanuris creating the sarcophagus was to by-pass the amount of time taken to train in the skill but without sufficient training and dedication surely the elf would not survive the process?
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Post by theascendent on Apr 30, 2021 19:13:00 GMT
I wonder if they would allow a non-Mage Elf PC the option to be like Fenris and Shirallas? Or would that detract from Fenris' unique theme and playstyle? Then again, the comic series takes place outside the main series, and aside from brief mentions, I doubt they will feature too heavily in the next game. Major events like the fall of certain cities might be mentioned and maybe a mention in the codex from certain characters, so while interesting the events in comics and other media shouldn't play too heavily a role. Remember the Stolen Throne and the Calling, they gave a great introduction to the nation of Ferelden and the Grey Wardens, both of which are heavily featured and involved in Origins. I would look at the books more than the comics for hints at possible future content.
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Post by necrowaif on May 4, 2021 23:45:35 GMT
Am I the only one who finds it worrisome the qunari could get this device in the end? If Viddasala was willing to do what she did in Trespasser there is bound to be another qunari who sees the potential with that thing, especially after Shirallas starts working on them. I'm scared. 😬 I wouldn't worry too much about the qunari getting their hands on the sarcophagus or the red lyrium sword. They're likely going to get their asses stomped.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 5, 2021 7:09:25 GMT
Am I the only one who finds it worrisome the qunari could get this device in the end? If Viddasala was willing to do what she did in Trespasser there is bound to be another qunari who sees the potential with that thing, especially after Shirallas starts working on them. I'm scared. I wouldn't worry too much about the qunari getting their hands on the sarcophagu or the red lyrium sword Regardless of how much the Qunari are getting stomped by Shirallas, ultimately what would stop the Qunari using the sarcophagus would be Solas. He loathes the Qunari, which is why he was willing to help even a face punch Inquisitor to defeat their plans in Trespasser. There is no way he would allow them to use it, particularly if they were utilising red lyrium. Also, there are other things that might draw his attention: The more interesting question is how he might view Shirallas. Would he be content so long as he is stomping Qunari? Remember it was the intent of the Venatori to use Shirallas not just to neutralise the threat of the Qunari but to conquer the rest of Thedas too. To be honest I think the idea that one warrior on his own would be capable of either of these is rather overplaying the power he has. Does the red lyrium render him immortal? Meredith was powerful but ultimately she was defeated and then imploded trying to draw yet more power in an attempt to reverse the situation. Fenris can be killed. Shirallas cannot stay permanently in the Fade (or wherever he dematerialises to) and Solas' petrification spell would likely be just as effective on him as anyone else. Besides which, the ritual involved using a sword created from the idol. I get the feeling from Tevinter Nights that Solas does not approve of other people misusing the idol, nor would he approve of what Shirallas did in sacrificing his freedom of thought for the sake of his ambition for power. If this artifact was something created by the Evanuris to misuse on elven slaves, I'm pretty sure he would want to see it destroyed. So if that was the case, he would ensure the sarcophagus was no longer able to be used by anyone and Shirallas might well end up confronting the Dread Wolf. I can't see that ending well for Shirallas, assuming that the red lyrium wraith is even still remotely aware of the person he once was.
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Post by Solas on May 8, 2021 20:20:29 GMT
Dark Fortress 3 cover (spoiler warning)
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Post by necrowaif on May 8, 2021 20:42:55 GMT
Yeah, I figured the cover would be a spoiler given how they kept it under wraps. Look at those claws!
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Post by gervaise21 on May 9, 2021 16:21:05 GMT
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Post by Iddy on May 10, 2021 17:57:29 GMT
I'm pretty excited about Fenris vs Shirallas. For a little while, I wasn't sure if it was really gonna happen.
I also wonder how different is it gonna be from previous uses of red lyrium, as we've seen with Meredith or DAI's red templars.
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Post by Iddy on May 11, 2021 22:29:31 GMT
I'm pretty excited about Fenris vs Shirallas. For a little while, I wasn't sure if it was really gonna happen. I also wonder how different is it gonna be from previous uses of red lyrium, as we've seen with Meredith or DAI's red templars. Whaaa?! I didn't think about Fenris fighting him...shit. Now I'm scared for him! Although, I admit to also being curious as to how different the red lyrium powers will be to Fenris' 'ghost' powers. Well... it isn't confirmed yet to be honest, but I don't see how can the story NOT be leading to that.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 12, 2021 7:09:55 GMT
Whaaa?! I didn't think about Fenris fighting him...shit. Now I'm scared for him! Although, I admit to also being curious as to how different the red lyrium powers will be to Fenris' 'ghost' powers. Whilst it would seem to be heading that way, remember in this world state Fenris is alive, which means he fought with Hawke rather than against them, which means he has already faced one red lyrium crazed templar, who also had a sword from the red lyrium idol. Whilst a red lyrium wraith may have powers that Meredith did not possess, such as the ability to phase into some other dimension (not necessarily the Fade), Fenris can also do this and has other powers he can use that may even damage a red wraith (although the reverse may also be true). Still, the point I'm getting at is that if Fenris can be killed then so can the red wraith and I shall be very disappointed if the red wraith is so extremely overpowered that Fenris has no hope against him. However, they may be very evenly matched, meaning that someone else may have to break the deadlock.
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