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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 7, 2021 13:41:26 GMT
A simple question: For me it sound like Andruil is still around and not behind the veil like Solas thought. Can that be? Because the power in the Forest can't be there without Andruil is still there, or does i miss something. I'm not sure but the magic in the forest that recently activated seemed to be associated with a statue that I think was dedicated to Ghilan'nain, who was said to be an ally of Andruil, but it could be it was really a statue dedicated to Andruil. Some of the magical defenses seem to be automatic, just like the Varterel we encountered in the south. If those pools in the Deep Roads are also linked to Ghilan'nain, then it would seem that something has recently started to activate the old magic; hence me suggesting it might have something to do with the Executors who have only recently appeared on mainland Thedas. The problem is that we don't know exactly how Solas managed to trap the Evanuris or where precisely other than it involved creating the Veil. We know the Veil was severely compromised by Corypheus' activities with Solas' orb, so it is possible this weakened the prison long enough for one or more gods to escape. Also, when we went to the Crossroads with Morrigan, an elven/mage Inquisitor can sense the place is deteriorating, so if the magic is breaking down there, it is possible it is breaking down elsewhere. There seem a fair few hints that possibly it is not going to need the Veil to be removed for some or all of the gods to escape back into Thedas. Also, it is worth bearing in mind that if they were slain in that other place he imprisoned them, would their soul/spirit remain there or be able to escape and return to the Fade, from where they could find a suitable host just as Mythal did. So, considering the concept art that was released and the title at the bottom, showing "an evil god", it is entirely possible we are going to meet at least one of the other evil gods next game be that one of the Evanuris or a Forgotten One, both groups of which are believed by the Dalish to have been trapped by Fen'Harel.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 22, 2022 11:56:38 GMT
I thought I would revive this thread in view of this recent video by Jackdaw. I think most of his thinking here is sound and it brings together in one place the various themes we have previously discussed. We were also doing a bit of speculation on the Schmooples thread recently. I do find the introduction of the Executors to the main plot one of the most interesting aspects of Tevinter Nights. The fact that the Varric voiced teaser video was meant to be showcasing some factions we will be involved with in DA4, seems to confirm that one of them will be the Executors. The question is, will they be genuine allies against Solas, purely using us for their own agenda or simply crossing our path at various points because, after the loss of their agent in Tevinter Nights at a supposedly secret meeting, they no longer feel they can trust anyone else? I also wonder if in fact they are an elven cult opposed to Andruil/Ghilan'nain? Whilst respecting the earlier wisdom of Andruil, they know that the two goddesses became corrupt and uncaring in their later years, twisted by forbidden knowledge and power. If they are the descendants of monsters created by Ghilan'nain, that would certainly explain why they would be anxious to prevent a return of the elven gods. In which case, they would want to strengthen the Veil rather than the opposite. May be they feel that Solas, who once argued for their survival, has now betrayed them in wanting to remove it because they originally helped create it. dadithinkimgay ; I know you are happy to speculate and this will avoid clogging up the Twitter thread.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 22, 2022 13:32:43 GMT
I mentioned on the Twitter thread how I think the pool in Horror of Hormack (of which it is hinted there are 12 in total) is linked to the story of how Andruil went hunting in the Void. Now the story in the Temple of Mythal specifically references the Forgotten Ones as the beings she went hunting in the Abyss. Which made me wonder if the leaders of the Executors could be the Forgotten Ones. We know they opposed the rule of the Creators, with good reason if the abominations discovered in the HoH were approved of by the allies of Ghilan'nain. If "those across the Sea" are related to the monsters of the deep waters that Solas got Ghilan'nain to spare, it is possible that the "deep waters" are in some way connected with the briny pools in the Deep Roads. In any case, the murals in the cavern showed elves being taken away in prison wagons to these locations. Were the ordinary elves, followers of the goddesses who had been tricked into thinking they were being taken somewhere for their benefit, or were they in fact captured rebels and this was how the goddesses dealt with them?
Anyway, for what it's worth, that is my latest theory. The Executors = the Forgotten Ones and that is why we didn't hear much about them in Trespasser. We know from Dalish lore that Fen'Harel was thought to have betrayed both sides in the conflict, so that would explain the Executors antagonism towards the Wolf and they would likely have access to ancient knowledge that he would regard as a threat. Without doubt they are dangerous but to whom? As Jackdaw says, it is noticeable how he ensured that the Executor was unable to share any knowledge with the group. It is probably just as well for Charter that he prevented it because had she heard whatever information the Executor could have given, I'm pretty sure he would not have spared her.
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Post by dadithinkimgay on Feb 23, 2022 3:37:46 GMT
dadithinkimgay ; I know you are happy to speculate and this will avoid clogging up the Twitter thread. Lol you know me well Gervaise. To speculate, Jackdaw brings up some great points about these two factions, but I think the similarities come from them existing when elves ruled Thedas. I don't think they're the same for a couple of reasons. The Executors are sort of described as otherworldly, smelling of the sea, and ominous. They have human agents throughout Thedas and even wiped a whole Inquisition camp off the map, including the soldiers within it. I realize that Solas is our enemy now, but his advice on The Executors is probably true - they are dangerous. If I remember correctly, Charter said that looking at the patterns on The Executors robe made her eyes hurt. With that description as well as smelling of the sea, I get the sense that The Executors are connected with Ghili'nain and those brine pools. Also, they come from across the sea, assumingly not apart of Thedas. Ghili'nain also "kept herself apart from The People," so maybe there's a connection there. Clan Morlyn seems more along the lines of The Sentinels, but not necessarily serving by someone else's will? Though Strife would not shut up about Andruil during Three Trees to Midnight. Maybe they do honor what the elven gods were before they became gods/corrupted beings? I bet their keeper will offer us quite a lot of much-needed perspective on all the elven wars. I also want to point out that we've seen them fighting against red lyrium in concept art and the trailer, so perhaps their purpose is to exterminate the blight, just like Solas. That being said, I think the two factions are not the same but are enemies. I actually think The Executors will be our antagonists come the next game, along with Solas. I know that Matthew Goldman is a random man, but the following tweet has always stood out to me. This was to Christian Dailey just before they posted a concept art piece: Matthew Goldman @christiandailey Sorry to awaken you from your slumber Executive One. That's just so like... peculiar. Especially because it seems like The Executors are waiting for something - maybe waiting for someone or something to wake up? The Executors = the Forgotten Ones and that is why we didn't hear much about them in Trespasser. We know from Dalish lore that Fen'Harel was thought to have betrayed both sides in the conflict, so that would explain the Executors antagonism towards the Wolf and they would likely have access to ancient knowledge that he would regard as a threat. Without doubt they are dangerous but to whom? As Jackdaw says, it is noticeable how he ensured that the Executor was unable to share any knowledge with the group. It is probably just as well for Charter that he prevented it because had she heard whatever information the Executor could have given, I'm pretty sure he would not have spared her. Sometimes I wonder if The Executors spied on The Inquisition because Solas was apart of it. That Executor war table mission is one of the first war table missions we get. And then there they are again spying on his movements in Tevinter Nights. It does seem like they have some type of relationship going on, so I definitely wouldn't be surprised if they were The Forgotten Ones.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 23, 2022 9:02:50 GMT
It is a bit of an interesting twist on some common tropes if this ends up being true. Usually in this type of fantasy...or even its sci fi equivalent...new species and new factions tend to come from the outside and going in. Even Dragon Age has some precedence with this with the arrival of humans coming to Thedas thousands of years ago to upset the balance. And more recently we both sort of have both the Qunari and the Executors and the implication...which I just really I had but now can't remember any lore to back it up...that the Qunari may have been fleeing something to get to where they are. All pretty standard stuff.
But if this bares out this does suggest that Thedas's problems with the Executors started out on the Continent and then has worked their way backwards. Which is a nice little twist to the trope. And if the Qunari ends up in a similar state, Elven creations of some sort, then this would then work for both races. And it would make sense about some faction of Ancient Elves who fled the event and are now working their way back now that Solas is trying to undo his work.
You know this always happens when I start down the theory rabbit hole but I have also realized that there is another twist to this. There is plenty of factions and beings out there who seem to be just as invested in stopping Solas for their own reasons, Titans, Qunari, Executors, Inquisition, probably etc...but this then does not suggest they all have the same exact agenda and reasons for stopping solas. They might just want to divide up Thedas for their own purposes. Which suggests that any coalition building we could do in 4 might be very temporary...and maybe even only to fight the Qunari.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 23, 2022 11:08:52 GMT
Charter said that looking at the patterns on The Executors robe made her eyes hurt. With that description as well as smelling of the sea, I get the sense that The Executors are connected with Ghili'nain and those brine pools. Without a doubt that seemed a deliberate link between the two. Assuming that the main goddess involved was Ghilan'nain, then it would seem the Executors are either her supporters or in direct opposition to her. You had a theory that June may not have been an elf and it could be that Ghilan'nain was the same. After all, the legend in the Temple of Mythal makes it clear (as does the Dalish lore) that she was not one of the original Evanuris but only became incorporated into the pantheon after they assumed godhood. Dalish lore suggests she was a chosen of Andruil and that she was transformed into a halla by her which was connected with her levitation to godly rank. We know from the ancient writing that it was forbidden for anyone to transform into one of the forms reserved for the gods or their chosen, which we have assumed to be that of a dragon as it could fly, but what if shape-shifting generally was reserved for the gods? When the Forbidden Ones were banished, it is mentioned how their familiarity with Shape allowed them to "travel paths unaided" and the warning against Fen'Harel mentions his "forms", so it is possible that ordinary elves were prohibited from shape-shifting unless specifically authorised to do so by the gods. Maybe Ghilan'nain adopted the form of a halla to seem less threatening to the other gods and the elves generally because her original form was either frightening or might in some other way seem contemptuous. And more recently we both sort of have both the Qunari and the Executors and the implication...which I just really I had but now can't remember any lore to back it up...that the Qunari may have been fleeing something to get to where they are. I'm thinking that the Executors are going to be connected in some way with the Qunari. There is that specific sentence in Tevinter Nights when the Executor asks: "Do the Qunari fear to speak with us?" A couple of points here. Firstly, I think the "us" definitely refers to the Executors rather than the group at the meeting. Secondly, why would anyone assume the reason the Qunari were avoiding the meeting was out of fear? Surely, a more usual assumption would be "Do the Qunari not trust us?" This suggests to me that the Executor knows there is a good reason why the Qunari might fear having anything to do with them. It could be their magic as we know the Qunari are deeply suspicious of magic but equally it could be that the Executors were the reason the Qunari originally came to Thedas, in order to escape them. Also note the reference to "us" in the speech of the Executor. The Qun think of their whole society as "a single creature, a living entity" and "each individual only a tiny part of the whole". Is it possible that the Executors view their society in the same way? I think the reference you are thinking of is that of the scholars of other nations speculating where the Qunari came from and why. The fact is they have never revealed this to anyone outside of their priesthood. If they were fleeing another group, to admit this would be bad for morale as the general thrust of their teaching is that ultimately the Qun will always conquer but it is possible we will get some insights next game, particularly if we have any dealings with Rasaan and can persuade her to talk because, as the Ariqun's eventual successor, she must know their origins. That's just so like... peculiar. Especially because it seems like The Executors are waiting for something - maybe waiting for someone or something to wake up? I'd not seen this before. If Strife is connected with them, and it seems odd to illustrate him as they did if he is not, could the halla statuette have something to do with this? Assuming, of course, that the person/thing they were waiting for hasn't already occurred. Since they appeared on the scene not long after the Breach, were they waiting for Fen'Harel to wake up and assumed this was the sign he had done so? Then they discovered that it was not the Wolf who had opened the hole in the sky but Corypheus. This was something unexpected and would seem to have concerned them enough to investigate the organisation opposing him to see if they were capable of containing the threat. Once they decided they were, they backed off and let them continue with their work. However, I'm not convinced that they knew who Solas was at this point. Otherwise I think they would have kept a much closer watch on him personally. Instead, I think they were aware of the recruitment going on across Thedas by his agents and this alerted them to the fact that Fen'Harel had something planned. I also wonder how much they knew about the idol before Charter's meeting. The Executor was not bothered about what Solas might be, probably because they already know. They did want to discover what were his goals and his means of accomplishing them. I wonder if Solas killed them when he did, not only to prevent them giving information to the meeting but also before they could feed back what was revealed to the rest of their group. If they have a hive mind then he couldn't wait until the end of the meeting as he did with the rest. Solas wanted to discover how much his opponents knew about him but he wouldn't want those capable of countering him to discover anything they did not know before. His interest in the idol was something he could allow the Inquisition to know, because they could probably have worked that out for themselves from other sources but he didn't want the Executors to know. I also want to point out that we've seen them fighting against red lyrium in concept art and the trailer, so perhaps their purpose is to exterminate the blight, just like Solas. We don't know for certain that is an aim of his, just that he thinks anyone thinking they can use it safely is mad, or he did when we knew him. Yet he now seems to be trying to utilise the idol to aid his goals. Could that have anything to do with the fact that he is not now his own master? Or has he thrown caution to the winds having lost his orb? If the Executors wish to destroy the Blight, that would make them allies in my mind. If that character in the trailer was an Executor, they definitely seemed to be fighting darkspawn. Linking back to Andruil, could it be that she instructed her faithful to hunt down tainted creatures? If the darkspawn were one of Ghilan'nain's experiments gone wrong, maybe Andruil was hunting for them in the Void. Was she persuaded by someone to do a sort of Joining ritual in order to be able to sense them and this is what drove her mad? Is this what informed Solas' original opinion that no one can use the blight safely? Mythal is said to have stolen Andruil's memories to counter her madness. Is it possible that effectively what Mythal did was to make Andruil tranquil? Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure that the business with Andruil occurred near to the time of Mythal's murder and was a contributing factor in some way. I found it interesting that Strife was adamant that the Arlathan Forest was Anduril's domain. No modern elf could state this emphatically. Dalish lore is that the forest was the home of the great city of Arlathan, capital of the elven empire and thus the domain of all the gods. City elves derive their knowledge from Dalish lore imparted before the fall of the Dales. So Strife did not learn this from either the Dalish or the city dwellers, which he claimed to have come from. I can well believe that an ancient elven agent would pass themselves off as a city elf, as Solas did, and may have spent some time among the elves of Starkhaven's alienage, but I don't buy that Strife was simply a city elf, who joined up with a passing Dalish clan and acquired his knowledge from them. Not only that but in Ruins of Reality it says he was familiar with a "time-worn" map of the forest showing all the trails, caves and ruins; for this reason knew that they were shifting about due to the magic. We were told in previous games that the Dalish don't go anywhere near Tevinter and that would include the Arlathan Forest. Even if a few clans had ventured back there in recent years, that would hardly give them sufficient time to draw up a detailed map of the place that would be time-worn. It doesn't seem something that would have simply turned up in a ruin either, plus the clan also had a "relic of the Morlyn clan", a journal handed down over generations, which then starts to magically rewrite itself. So a Dalish clan just happens to have an ancient relic that directly links to a sacred site of Ghilan'nain in the forest. Something seems odd about that. As does Strife's name. Again, that is not a modern elven name but links with the practice of ancient elves and seems a translation of what his name would have meant in elvish. If the Executors were waiting for something to wake up, could it be the ancient magic of the elves? Like the magic found in the journal? Like the pools below? In which case, what caused the magic to awaken? Was it the Breach or something else?
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Post by colfoley on Feb 23, 2022 11:17:24 GMT
Charter said that looking at the patterns on The Executors robe made her eyes hurt. With that description as well as smelling of the sea, I get the sense that The Executors are connected with Ghili'nain and those brine pools. Without a doubt that seemed a deliberate link between the two. Assuming that the main goddess involved was Ghilan'nain, then it would seem the Executors are either her supporters or in direct opposition to her. You had a theory that June may not have been an elf and it could be that Ghilan'nain was the same. After all, the legend in the Temple of Mythal makes it clear (as does the Dalish lore) that she was not one of the original Evanuris but only became incorporated into the pantheon after they assumed godhood. Dalish lore suggests she was a chosen of Andruil and that she was transformed into a halla by her which was connected with her levitation to godly rank. We know from the ancient writing that it was forbidden for anyone to transform into one of the forms reserved for the gods or their chosen, which we have assumed to be that of a dragon as it could fly, but what if shape-shifting generally was reserved for the gods? When the Forbidden Ones were banished, it is mentioned how their familiarity with Shape allowed them to "travel paths unaided" and the warning against Fen'Harel mentions his "forms", so it is possible that ordinary elves were prohibited from shape-shifting unless specifically authorised to do so by the gods. Maybe Ghilan'nain adopted the form of a halla to seem less threatening to the other gods and the elves generally because her original form was either frightening or might in some other way seem contemptuous. And more recently we both sort of have both the Qunari and the Executors and the implication...which I just really I had but now can't remember any lore to back it up...that the Qunari may have been fleeing something to get to where they are. I'm thinking that the Executors are going to be connected in some way with the Qunari. There is that specific sentence in Tevinter Nights when the Executor asks: "Do the Qunari fear to speak with us?" A couple of points here. Firstly, I think the "us" definitely refers to the Executors rather than the group at the meeting. Secondly, why would anyone assume the reason the Qunari were avoiding the meeting was out of fear? Surely, a more usual assumption would be "Do the Qunari not trust us?" This suggests to me that the Executor knows there is a good reason why the Qunari might fear having anything to do with them. It could be their magic as we know the Qunari are deeply suspicious of magic but equally it could be that the Executors were the reason the Qunari originally came to Thedas, in order to escape them. Also note the reference to "us" in the speech of the Executor. The Qun think of their whole society as "a single creature, a living entity" and "each individual only a tiny part of the whole". Is it possible that the Executors view their society in the same way? I think the reference you are thinking of is that of the scholars of other nations speculating where the Qunari came from and why. The fact is they have never revealed this to anyone outside of their priesthood. If they were fleeing another group, to admit this would be bad for morale as the general thrust of their teaching is that ultimately the Qun will always conquer but it is possible we will get some insights next game, particularly if we have any dealings with Rasaan and can persuade her to talk because, as the Ariqun's eventual successor, she must know their origins. That's just so like... peculiar. Especially because it seems like The Executors are waiting for something - maybe waiting for someone or something to wake up? I'd not seen this before. If Strife is connected with them, and it seems odd to illustrate him as they did if he is not, could the halla statuette have something to do with this? Assuming, of course, that the person/thing they were waiting for hasn't already occurred. Since they appeared on the scene not long after the Breach, were they waiting for Fen'Harel to wake up and assumed this was the sign he had done so? Then they discovered that it was not the Wolf who had opened the hole in the sky but Corypheus. This was something unexpected and would seem to have concerned them enough to investigate the organisation opposing him to see if they were capable of containing the threat. Once they decided they were, they backed off and let them continue with their work. However, I'm not convinced that they knew who Solas was at this point. Otherwise I think they would have kept a much closer watch on him personally. Instead, I think they were aware of the recruitment going on across Thedas by his agents and this alerted them to the fact that Fen'Harel had something planned. I also wonder how much they knew about the idol before Charter's meeting. The Executor was not bothered about what Solas might be, probably because they already know. They did want to discover what were his goals and his means of accomplishing them. I wonder if Solas killed them when he did, not only to prevent them giving information to the meeting but also before they could feed back what was revealed to the rest of their group. If they have a hive mind then he couldn't wait until the end of the meeting as he did with the rest. Solas wanted to discover how much his opponents knew about him but he wouldn't want those capable of countering him to discover anything they did not know before. His interest in the idol was something he could allow the Inquisition to know, because they could probably have worked that out for themselves from other sources but he didn't want the Executors to know. I also want to point out that we've seen them fighting against red lyrium in concept art and the trailer, so perhaps their purpose is to exterminate the blight, just like Solas. We don't know for certain that is an aim of his, just that he thinks anyone thinking they can use it safely is mad, or he did when we knew him. Yet he now seems to be trying to utilise the idol to aid his goals. Could that have anything to do with the fact that he is not now his own master? Or has he thrown caution to the winds having lost his orb? If the Executors wish to destroy the Blight, that would make them allies in my mind. If that character in the trailer was an Executor, they definitely seemed to be fighting darkspawn. Linking back to Andruil, could it be that she instructed her faithful to hunt down tainted creatures? If the darkspawn were one of Ghilan'nain's experiments gone wrong, maybe Andruil was hunting for them in the Void. Was she persuaded by someone to do a sort of Joining ritual in order to be able to sense them and this is what drove her mad? Is this what informed Solas' original opinion that no one can use the blight safely? Mythal is said to have stolen Andruil's memories to counter her madness. Is it possible that effectively what Mythal did was to make Andruil tranquil? Whatever the case, I'm pretty sure that the business with Andruil occurred near to the time of Mythal's murder] and was a contributing factor in some way. I found it interesting that Strife was adamant that the Arlathan Forest was Anduril's domain. No modern elf could state this emphatically. Dalish lore is that the forest was the home of the great city of Arlathan, capital of the elven empire and thus the domain of all the gods. City elves derive their knowledge from Dalish lore imparted before the fall of the Dales. So Strife did not learn this from either the Dalish or the city dwellers, which he claimed to have come from. I can well believe that an ancient elven agent would pass themselves off as a city elf, as Solas did, and may have spent some time among the elves of Starkhaven's alienage, but I don't buy that Strife was simply a city elf, who joined up with a passing Dalish clan and acquired his knowledge from them. Not only that but in Ruins of Reality it says he was familiar with a "time-worn" map of the forest showing all the trails, caves and ruins; for this reason knew that they were shifting about due to the magic. We were told in previous games that the Dalish don't go anywhere near Tevinter and that would include the Arlathan Forest. Even if a few clans had ventured back there in recent years, that would hardly give them sufficient time to draw up a detailed map of the place that would be time-worn. It doesn't seem something that would have simply turned up in a ruin either, plus the clan also had a "relic of the Morlyn clan", a journal handed down over generations, which then starts to magically rewrite itself. So a Dalish clan just happens to have an ancient relic that directly links to a sacred site of Ghilan'nain in the forest. Something seems odd about that. As does Strife's name. Again, that is not a modern elven name but links with the practice of ancient elves and seems a translation of what his name would have meant in elvish. If the Executors were waiting for something to wake up, could it be the ancient magic of the elves? Like the magic found in the journal? Like the pools below? In which case, what caused the magic to awaken? Was it the Breach or something else? I would think that if the Qun felt threatened by the Executors, enough to flee from them to another Continent, that they might somehow end up being the antithesis of them. Though magic could be a good enough view of that difference or that they are a result of magic uncontrolled...in the eyes of the Qun...but it could be how they view theiir society. But, well, we really don't have enough information on the Executors to make a reasonable guess on how their society has evolved. All we know basically is they have something to do with Solas and a bunch of vague hints which could point to an ancient Elven origin. Their name could suggest a more individualistic mindset but just as easily the little we have seen of their representatives could suggest the latter.
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 23, 2022 19:50:05 GMT
Oh great another race to come 'from across the sea' to stick their fat noses or horns into our business. We need to purge all of these ne'er do wellers and send them back to where they came from.
Time to align with tevinter and some of the other regions to kick some invaders back to their home lands and teach them a lesson.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2022 8:40:32 GMT
Time to align with tevinter and some of the other regions to kick some invaders back to their home lands and teach them a lesson. Erm, the human Neromenians also came from across the sea and effectively invaded Thedas. Substitute Fen'Harel for Tevinter and you pretty much have the attitude of the elves he has recruited to his cause.
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Post by Little Bengel on Feb 24, 2022 12:21:24 GMT
Time to align with tevinter and some of the other regions to kick some invaders back to their home lands and teach them a lesson. Erm, the human Neromenians also came from across the sea and effectively invaded Thedas. Ah, taking the ol' American approach to territory.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2022 14:28:58 GMT
Ah, taking the ol' American approach to territory. Not saying I agree with the poster or the ol'American approach. Besides, for all we know, those across the sea may have fled there to get away from the elves. As I've suggested above, the reason the Executors have suddenly appeared may be because they very much do not want a restoration of the world of the elves. There was an interesting suggestion in WoT that the reason the human inhabitants of Par Vollen seemed not to object to the arrival of the Qunari was because their pyramids have murals depicting tall horned figures in positions of authority and respect in ancient times and so speculation is that perhaps they saw them as their legends come to life. I really do hope we get some history of the Qunari prior to their arrival in Thedas this time round. Whatever, I think chatting with Rasaan could be very enlightening. I wonder why she thinks knowing Solas' true name is so important?
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Post by Beerfish on Feb 24, 2022 17:17:10 GMT
Time to align with tevinter and some of the other regions to kick some invaders back to their home lands and teach them a lesson. Erm, the human Neromenians also came from across the sea and effectively invaded Thedas. Substitute Fen'Harel for Tevinter and you pretty much have the attitude of the elves he has recruited to his cause. One problem at a time, I will get rid of the snooty high brow elves after removing the Qunari and this new masked face threat.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 24, 2022 19:44:18 GMT
One problem at a time, I will get rid of the snooty high brow elves after removing the Qunari and this new masked face threat. I would respectfully suggest you have got your priorities wrong. You need to deal with the Big Bad Wolf first, then deal with the Qunari and Executors (or let the Qunari face off with the Executors and deal with each other).
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Post by DragonEffect on Mar 15, 2022 22:39:19 GMT
An inverted triangle with a dash across it represents earth in esoterism. Without the dash, it represents water. The Executors' symbol has two waves instead of a dash. Two horizontal waves could represent the wind. Since they're from "across the sea", it could be further allusion to their connection to water, seas, oceans and travelling all across Thedas on ships. It's just a wild guess tho
Also, wasn't the HoF travelling West? Doesn't the Amaranthine sea lie west of Ferelden? Could they have met the Executors in their quest to cure the taint?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 15, 2022 22:57:28 GMT
An inverted triangle with a dash across it represents earth in esoterism. Without the dash, it represents water. The Executors' symbol has two waves instead of a dash. Two horizontal waves could represent the wind. Since they're from "across the sea", it could be further allusion to their connection to water, seas, oceans and travelling all across Thedas on ships. It's just a wild guess tho Also, wasn't the HoF travelling West? Doesn't the Amaranthine sea lie west of Ferelden? Could they have met the Executors in their quest to cure the taint? No, the Amaranthine Ocean is to the East of Thedas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 16, 2022 9:00:54 GMT
Also, wasn't the HoF travelling West? Doesn't the Amaranthine sea lie west of Ferelden? Could they have met the Executors in their quest to cure the taint? As Hanako says, the Amarantine Ocean is to the east and in any case we do not know how far west the Hero is meant to have traveled or where the land mass ends in the south west. We do know that there is a civilisation to the west over the Volca Sea that is likely magical, because their traders were exclusively interested in purchasing lyrium, that had a cataclysm of some sort in the recent past which necessitated their absence for a while, after which trading resumed. Since we do not know how far west the land of the Voshai is, it could be part of the same continent as the Executors but it seems unlikely. There is said to be a major land mass across the Amaranthine Ocean and since expeditions there have never returned, it is possible that is the location of the Executors base and they don't like intruders.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2022 17:23:26 GMT
Oh great another race to come 'from across the sea' to stick their fat noses or horns into our business. We need to purge all of these ne'er do wellers and send them back to where they came from. Time to align with tevinter and some of the other regions to kick some invaders back to their home lands and teach them a lesson. I know this was in jest, but this is also your (our) future. Maybe not always from across a sea, but they're coming. The great march north has already begun - start digging your moat, Canadian.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Mar 24, 2022 22:51:41 GMT
Maybe the Executors are from the Jade Empire? That could make some interesting stories.
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