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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 30, 2021 5:02:35 GMT
Related to previous posts, I really like the idea of a PCIe riser card and would love to build a new rig with a vertical graphics card slot. It would solve a lot of issues with heating and air flow, but I can see it bringing whole new problems as well. Then I read this: There’s a PROBLEM with Riser CablesAnd it made me go hmmm... I would like to hear Forumites' opinions about this. Have you built a case with a riser cable? Do you know a reliable Gen4 PCIe riser cable manufacturer? Or am I better off just getting a new, massive case? That would be fine, but I'm kind of strapped for space here; I'm already running four desktop PCs.  Vertically mounting your video card might actually cause more air flow and heat problems, especially if your video card is sitting right next to a tempered glass panel/solid panel without any ventilation. That's why most people who vertically mount their video cards either have good ventilation (like using a mesh panel) or watercool their video cards with waterblocks altogether. As for the PCIe 4.0 compatibility, you shouldn't have too many problems as long as you're willing splurge $50-$100 on a good PCIe 4.0 riser cable. Although there's still a chance it might take you some trial and error to find the right cable that works for your mobo and video card. So yeah, it depends on your PC case and your cooling setup. If you do it right, you will be fine. Wow four systems... Maybe its time for stacking active systems and creating a multi-server operation. Mesh is in my opinion an absolute must for a vertical mounted GPU.
Need a case with good mesh air flow on the side? May I present the Rosewill Thor V2: That is a 200mm fan in the side panel and the gray areas are all mesh. Fan is removable too so can vertically place GPU and get air to and from a lot better than most mediocre cases. The size of it though may leave something to desire... Or could just leave the side panel off but dust and dirt sure to be a hassle then...
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 30, 2021 5:03:31 GMT
Vertically mounting your video card might actually cause more air flow and heat problems, especially if your video card is sitting right next to a tempered glass panel/solid panel without any ventilation. That's why most people who vertically mount their video cards either have good ventilation (like using a mesh panel) or watercool their video cards with waterblocks altogether.As for the PCIe 4.0 compatibility, you shouldn't have too many problems as long as you're willing splurge $50-$100 on a good PCIe 4.0 riser cable. Although there's still a chance it might take you some trial and error to find the right cable that works for your mobo and video card.So yeah, it depends on your PC case and your cooling setup. If you do it right, you will be fine. And even some of those who use liquid cooling still use mesh side panels. That said I HAVE BUILT SYSTEMS WITH RISER CARDS. And it is not just the riser cable that needs to be addressed. The riser cable may actually work just fine -the video guy only tested one side of the issue.
However we never see which connection between the monitor and the graphics card that is used.
I have had this black screen and no signal personally happen on a Gen3 riser cable with a FX-4350 and a 1050ti. In that case it WAS NOT the Riser card that was creating the problem -it worked perfectly and still does... So what was the issue... It was Display Port and Digital Video Interleave (DVI -for the layman).
Switched to HDMI and the system recognized the card and got video output. It seems to be the same with Gen4 Riser technology too... CASE IN POINT:
He tried riser card after riser card and nothing till... -well just take a look at the result:
Now NOTE: that doesn't mean if you skimp on riser card and get a $2 one that it will work. But get a quality one around $20-25 the card should work fine. Just remember that if DP isn't working try HDMI and vice versa or for crying out loud you could even try DVI before getting another riser card.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 30, 2021 12:01:22 GMT
Wow four systems... Maybe its time for stacking active systems and creating a multi-server operation. Mesh is in my opinion an absolute must for a vertical mounted GPU.
Need a case with good mesh air flow on the side? May I present the Rosewill Thor V2:
That is a 200mm fan in the side panel and the gray areas are all mesh. Fan is removable too so can vertically place GPU and get air to and from a lot better than most mediocre cases. The size of it though may leave something to desire... Or could just leave the side panel off but dust and dirt sure to be a hassle then... Well sure, if it was an even remotely sensible setup, but they are PCs that my family use, plus my two rigs. And the den is quite small in size. 
Yes, the Rosewill case is similar to what I've been looking. Unfortunately no one around here carries Rosewill, so that's not an option.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 30, 2021 12:13:56 GMT
And even some of those who use liquid cooling still use mesh side panels. That said I HAVE BUILT SYSTEMS WITH RISER CARDS. And it is not just the riser cable that needs to be addressed. The riser cable may actually work just fine -the video guy only tested one side of the issue.
However we never see which connection between the monitor and the graphics card that is used.
I have had this black screen and no signal personally happen on a Gen3 riser cable with a FX-4350 and a 1050ti. In that case it WAS NOT the Riser card that was creating the problem -it worked perfectly and still does... So what was the issue... It was Display Port and Digital Video Interleave (DVI -for the layman).
Switched to HDMI and the system recognized the card and got video output. It seems to be the same with Gen4 Riser technology too... CASE IN POINT:
He tried riser card after riser card and nothing till... -well just take a look at the result:
Now NOTE: that doesn't mean if you skimp on riser card and get a $2 one that it will work. But get a quality one around $20-25 the card should work fine. Just remember that if DP isn't working try HDMI and vice versa or for crying out loud you could even try DVI before getting another riser card. This is actually good and useful information, thank you for that.  It's good to know that the future setup may need some trying and tinkering. And yes, I won't be skimping on the riser cable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 15:14:29 GMT
I sold my GTX970 a couple weeks ago, asked $150 and sold it instantly on reddit, with hundreds of PMs offering more cash. It is absolutely nuts.
I paid the new MSRP at the time for the new 3070, which was 750USD. I have bought entire workstations for less lol
Indeed.
You should have sold on Amazon a couple of weeks ago could have made double or triple that. This is my Paragon showing. I was fair because I don't like the madness that this market is causing, and couldn't in good conscience gouge someone. Disaster capitalism is a filthy way to live, IMO. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 30, 2021 16:39:44 GMT
Wow four systems... Maybe its time for stacking active systems and creating a multi-server operation. Mesh is in my opinion an absolute must for a vertical mounted GPU.
Need a case with good mesh air flow on the side? May I present the Rosewill Thor V2:
That is a 200mm fan in the side panel and the gray areas are all mesh. Fan is removable too so can vertically place GPU and get air to and from a lot better than most mediocre cases. The size of it though may leave something to desire... Or could just leave the side panel off but dust and dirt sure to be a hassle then... Well sure, if it was an even remotely sensible setup, but they are PCs that my family use, plus my two rigs. And the den is quite small in size. 
Yes, the Rosewill case is similar to what I've been looking. Unfortunately no one around here carries Rosewill, so that's not an option.
Don't know how you feel about online ordering but Amazon does:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 30, 2021 16:48:27 GMT
Indeed.
You should have sold on Amazon a couple of weeks ago could have made double or triple that. This is my Paragon showing. I was fair because I don't like the madness that this market is causing, and couldn't in good conscience gouge someone. Disaster capitalism is a filthy way to live, IMO. I have learned one thing in my years in the hardware business: In times of strife -if your nice and not greedy -many times you will get you run over and taken advantage of.
Far worse in times of no strife.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Mar 30, 2021 20:07:10 GMT
And even some of those who use liquid cooling still use mesh side panels. That said I HAVE BUILT SYSTEMS WITH RISER CARDS. And it is not just the riser cable that needs to be addressed. The riser cable may actually work just fine -the video guy only tested one side of the issue.
However we never see which connection between the monitor and the graphics card that is used.
I have had this black screen and no signal personally happen on a Gen3 riser cable with a FX-4350 and a 1050ti. In that case it WAS NOT the Riser card that was creating the problem -it worked perfectly and still does... So what was the issue... It was Display Port and Digital Video Interleave (DVI -for the layman).
Switched to HDMI and the system recognized the card and got video output. It seems to be the same with Gen4 Riser technology too... CASE IN POINT:
He tried riser card after riser card and nothing till... -well just take a look at the result:
Now NOTE: that doesn't mean if you skimp on riser card and get a $2 one that it will work. But get a quality one around $20-25 the card should work fine. Just remember that if DP isn't working try HDMI and vice versa or for crying out loud you could even try DVI before getting another riser card. Yeah, I saw that Bitwit video before. His problem was that he didn't test that specific video card (RX 6900 XT) on the Asrock motherboard without the riser cable. He tested out all the components but with a different video card. He tried the 6900 XT on a different mobo using a different display cable, so that proved the 6900 XT worked. If he had tested the 6900 XT on the Asrock mobo without the riser cable, he would probably be able to narrow down that the display cable was the problem. Before you do a custom loop build, it's a smart idea to connect all your components together (that means everything) on an open test bench and test them first. If they work, then you can start mounting waterblocks and putting them in your case. Troubleshooting an open test bench is way easier than troubleshooting a custom loop system.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 22:01:17 GMT
This is my Paragon showing. I was fair because I don't like the madness that this market is causing, and couldn't in good conscience gouge someone. Disaster capitalism is a filthy way to live, IMO. I have learned one thing in my years in the hardware business: In times of strife -if your nice and not greedy -many times you will get you run over and taken advantage of.
Far worse in times of no strife.
When buying or selling just know your product and be careful.
I get it, and I ignore it. There is enough greed in the world, I will not participate in it. I have lived one of the least profitable lives ever, and as I near the big 5-0 I have no regrets about economics, no need to win. |
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Post by bmwcrazy on Mar 30, 2021 22:15:35 GMT
As for the PCIe 4.0 compatibility, you shouldn't have too many problems as long as you're willing splurge $50-$100 on a good PCIe 4.0 riser cable. Although there's still a chance it might take you some trial and error to find the right cable that works for your mobo and video card. Now NOTE: that doesn't mean if you skimp on riser card and get a $2 one that it will work. But get a quality one around $20-25 the card should work fine. Just remember that if DP isn't working try HDMI and vice versa or for crying out loud you could even try DVI before getting another riser card. I was specifically talking about the PCIe 4.0 compatibility issues with PCIe riser cables. Basically, not all PCIe 3.0 riser cables will work in PCIe 4.0 mode. If you want to learn more about these issues, Hardware Canucks have a good video about it. So yeah, you definitely want pay up and get a good PCIe 4.0 rated riser cable to minimize your chance of running into PCIe 4.0 compatibility problems. If you want to use PCIe 3.0 mode, then you don't have to get an expensive PCIe 4.0 cable.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Mar 30, 2021 22:21:46 GMT
I wonder if it is possible to get a system so well balanced that you could run a game like ME5 and the CPU and GPU both be at exactly 50% utilization. Doubt it and probably some would consider that a bottleneck.... Right?
Haha, no. An extremely well balanced and tuned system means both CPU and GPU would be utilized near 100%. When that happens, it just means both your CPU and your GPU are now the bottleneck. Every system has a bottleneck somewhere. Theoretically if a system had no bottleneck, its performance would just stretch to infinite.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 4:03:17 GMT
I have learned one thing in my years in the hardware business: In times of strife -if your nice and not greedy -many times you will get you run over and taken advantage of.
Far worse in times of no strife.
When buying or selling just know your product and be careful.
I get it, and I ignore it. There is enough greed in the world, I will not participate in it. I have lived one of the least profitable lives ever, and as I near the big 5-0 I have no regrets about economics, no need to win. I understand just giving the caution.
And belated Birthday wishes.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 4:03:52 GMT
I wonder if it is possible to get a system so well balanced that you could run a game like ME5 and the CPU and GPU both be at exactly 50% utilization. Doubt it and probably some would consider that a bottleneck.... Right?
Haha, no. An extremely well balanced and tuned system means both CPU and GPU would be utilized near 100%. When that happens, it just means both your CPU and your GPU are now the bottleneck. Every system has a bottleneck somewhere. Theoretically if a system had no bottleneck, its performance would just stretch to infinite. Well I do build systems to last. Got two here and one's CPU died just after its 11th birthday of use. Replaced the CPU and the whole system is still running.
This system has been active for six years and has very few problems. Though I wish there was a way to force GPU and CPU's utilization down though.
I do so much multi-tasking and would like to play say ME3 while also converting a video track in Sony Vegas while also editing and converting audio tracks in Audacity and FL Studio. So that way I could do ME3 with 50% CPU & GPU Utilization and GPU 50% Sony Vegas and 50% CPU split between Audacity and FL Studio. Have as of yet to find such a way to do this though... 
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 4:04:08 GMT
As for the PCIe 4.0 compatibility, you shouldn't have too many problems as long as you're willing splurge $50-$100 on a good PCIe 4.0 riser cable. Although there's still a chance it might take you some trial and error to find the right cable that works for your mobo and video card. Now NOTE: that doesn't mean if you skimp on riser card and get a $2 one that it will work. But get a quality one around $20-25 the card should work fine. Just remember that if DP isn't working try HDMI and vice versa or for crying out loud you could even try DVI before getting another riser card. I was specifically talking about the PCIe 4.0 compatibility issues with PCIe riser cables. Basically, not all PCIe 3.0 riser cables will work in PCIe 4.0 mode. If you want to learn more about these issues, Hardware Canucks have a good video about it. So yeah, you definitely want pay up and get a good PCIe 4.0 rated riser cable to minimize your chance of running into PCIe 4.0 compatibility problems. If you want to use PCIe 3.0 mode, then you don't have to get an expensive PCIe 4.0 cable. I watched that video. And he never showed what type of connection they were using: Display Port, HDMI or antiquated DVI to connect monitor to graphics card.
It seemed they were just complaining about certain motherboards and riser GEN4 were not getting along. Or did I miss where they showed the graphics card connection?
Someone who wants to use GEN4 should be able to use GEN4 -not regulated to GEN3 masses.
That said I still don't believe that there is a PCIe 4.0 compatibility issue anywhere.
Give me a case where you get no signal on GEN4 using DP and I ask did they try HDMI or DVI or even VGA?
Now if they had tried all the those riser Gen 4 cards with DP, HDMI and DVI and the same occurred I would contend your right. And a better riser cable should be warranted or even a better monitor cable.
But spending $50-100 on a cable -even if 4th Gen? As a tech guy I can't condone it.
Also as a tech guy what I can condone is Coolermaster Riser cards and also NEVER EVER get PHANTEK riser cables!
They are all overpriced junk.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 4:05:22 GMT
And even some of those who use liquid cooling still use mesh side panels. That said I HAVE BUILT SYSTEMS WITH RISER CARDS. And it is not just the riser cable that needs to be addressed. The riser cable may actually work just fine -the video guy only tested one side of the issue.
However we never see which connection between the monitor and the graphics card that is used.
I have had this black screen and no signal personally happen on a Gen3 riser cable with a FX-4350 and a 1050ti. In that case it WAS NOT the Riser card that was creating the problem -it worked perfectly and still does... So what was the issue... It was Display Port and Digital Video Interleave (DVI -for the layman).
Switched to HDMI and the system recognized the card and got video output. It seems to be the same with Gen4 Riser technology too... CASE IN POINT:
He tried riser card after riser card and nothing till... -well just take a look at the result:
Now NOTE: that doesn't mean if you skimp on riser card and get a $2 one that it will work. But get a quality one around $20-25 the card should work fine. Just remember that if DP isn't working try HDMI and vice versa or for crying out loud you could even try DVI before getting another riser card. Yeah, I saw that Bitwit video before. His problem was that he didn't test that specific video card (RX 6900 XT) on the Asrock motherboard without the riser cable. He tested out all the components but with a different video card. He tried the 6900 XT on a different mobo using a different display cable, so that proved the 6900 XT worked. If he had tested the 6900 XT on the Asrock mobo without the riser cable, he would probably be able to narrow down that the display cable was the problem. Before you do a custom loop build, it's a smart idea to connect all your components together (that means everything) on an open test bench and test them first. If they work, then you can start mounting waterblocks and putting them in your case. Troubleshooting an open test bench is way easier than troubleshooting a custom loop system. Technically early on in the video he does put the RX card directly into the Gigabyte test-bench motherboard and it works.
So he knows the card works and he already had another card in the system that was liquid that he knows works.
The latter card being a Nvidia card that worked successfully with at least one of the Riser cables.
So he knows both the GIGA and ASROCK boards are good. And that both cards are good. And that the one riser cable at least works too. Again by technicality his issue is using intution to skip a step or two. Nothing wrong with that just can make it confusing for some that may be trying to follow.
What I would advise is this: Get a $25 Riser Gen4 and depending on the connection types your monitor and graphics card has get: DVI, HDMI and DP cables.
Also if monitor or graphics card has a type that the other does not get a cable that has to different connections.
And before claiming the riser card DOESN'T WORK! try each cable and see if you get signal with one versus the other.
Though in my opinion I still would not recommend spending more than $25 on a riser cable no matter the generation.
You could spend $100 or even $1000 and still end up like him but with no signal.
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Post by rewindbutton on Mar 31, 2021 8:59:45 GMT
Don't know how you feel about online ordering but Amazon does: That's on the wrong side of the pond, I'm afraid. I checked the local Amazon and couldn't find it. No matter, there are alternatives.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Mar 31, 2021 13:04:07 GMT
Well sure, if it was an even remotely sensible setup, but they are PCs that my family use, plus my two rigs. And the den is quite small in size.
Yes, the Rosewill case is similar to what I've been looking. Unfortunately no one around here carries Rosewill, so that's not an option.
Don't know how you feel about online ordering but Amazon does: That case looks very similar to the HAF 932 and HAF X full towers from CoolerMaster. Speaking of CoolerMaster my current case (and favourite case to date of all the CoolerMaster cases I have owned, including the HAF X and even the EVO XB cube case) is still the H500M. It lacks a 5.25" drive bay for BD-Writer/Roms...But in all the years I had one installed, I rarely ever used it. So I have learned to live with out one. But on the plus side, this case has the best cooling options I have had. It has two huge 200mm fans in front, a single 140mm for rear exhaust and the top can fit up to a 360mm rad OR 3x 140mm fans for exhaust. But it has about 1.5 inches of mesh trim on the corners and the top edges. Plus it's very easy to work on (for the most part) the only downer is the cable covers on the opposite side. They can be finnicky to work with, but once installed properly they serve their purpose well and clean up the over all look very nicely. www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mid-tower/mastercase-h500m/#gallerywww.amazon.ca/Cooler-Master-MasterCase-H500M-Cases/dp/B07DF2SP3X
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Post by bmwcrazy on Mar 31, 2021 16:19:32 GMT
I watched that video. And he never showed what type of connection they were using: Display Port, HDMI or antiquated DVI to connect monitor to graphics card.
It seemed they were just complaining about certain motherboards and riser GEN4 were not getting along. Or did I miss where they showed the graphics card connection? Someone who wants to use GEN4 should be able to use GEN4 -not regulated to GEN3 masses.
That said I still don't believe that there is a PCIe 4.0 compatibility issue anywhere.
Give me a case where you get no signal on GEN4 using DP and I ask did they try HDMI or DVI or even VGA?
Now if they had tried all the those riser Gen 4 cards with DP, HDMI and DVI and the same occurred I would contend your right. And a better riser cable should be warranted or even a better monitor cable.
But spending $50-100 on a cable -even if 4th Gen? As a tech guy I can't condone it.
Also as a tech guy what I can condone is Coolermaster Riser cards and also NEVER EVER get PHANTEK riser cables!
They are all overpriced junk.
The video cable compatibility problem with the video cable has more to do with the video card and the monitor rather than the type of PCIe riser cable that is used. In Bitwit's case, he was using a Displayport cable but it wasn't VESA certified. So apparently the 6900 XT was very picky when it comes to Display cables. It had nothing to do with the riser cable. If he had used the Displayport same cable on that 6900 XT without the PCIe riser cable, he would still not get a video signal. So he could probably narrow down that the Display cable was the problem and not wasting money on more riser cables. In the end, he switched to Displayport 1.4 cables that were VESA certified and they worked perfectly. So that solved his issues.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 16:33:41 GMT
Don't know how you feel about online ordering but Amazon does: That case looks very similar to the HAF 932 and HAF X full towers from CoolerMaster. Speaking of CoolerMaster my current case (and favourite case to date of all the CoolerMaster cases I have owned, including the HAF X and even the EVO XB cube case) is still the H500M. It lacks a 5.25" drive bay for BD-Writer/Roms...But in all the years I had one installed, I rarely ever used it. So I have learned to live with out one. But on the plus side, this case has the best cooling options I have had. It has two huge 200mm fans in front, a single 140mm for rear exhaust and the top can fit up to a 360mm rad OR 3x 140mm fans for exhaust. But it has about 1.5 inches of mesh trim on the corners and the top edges. Plus it's very easy to work on (for the most part) the only downer is the cable covers on the opposite side. They can be finnicky to work with, but once installed properly they serve their purpose well and clean up the over all look very nicely. www.coolermaster.com/catalog/cases/mid-tower/mastercase-h500m/#gallerywww.amazon.ca/Cooler-Master-MasterCase-H500M-Cases/dp/B07DF2SP3X I agree the HAF series and THOR V2 series look very much identical probably a rip off of each other. By this I mean Rosewill probably ripped off Coolermaster and they sued -since the Thor V2 is hard to find. Though technically there are differences between the two:
The lack of a 5.25 bay makes it a no go for a video and music editor like me.
I need the bay for disk ripping and burning.
My video and audio collection are quite extensive.
The only other problem for rewindbutton is that like the Thor V2 they are not available in Europe. The H500 series while available lack the side mesh panel that is being desired.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 16:33:51 GMT
Don't know how you feel about online ordering but Amazon does: That's on the wrong side of the pond, I'm afraid. I checked the local Amazon and couldn't find it. No matter, there are alternatives.  No problem. The best option I can find for you then is this: Not expensive by any means. NOTE it is not as big as the THOR V2 and doesn't have mesh but it does have grating on the side for 2 120 mm fans that can be screwed in.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 16:41:29 GMT
I watched that video. And he never showed what type of connection they were using: Display Port, HDMI or antiquated DVI to connect monitor to graphics card.
It seemed they were just complaining about certain motherboards and riser GEN4 were not getting along. Or did I miss where they showed the graphics card connection? Someone who wants to use GEN4 should be able to use GEN4 -not regulated to GEN3 masses.
That said I still don't believe that there is a PCIe 4.0 compatibility issue anywhere.
Give me a case where you get no signal on GEN4 using DP and I ask did they try HDMI or DVI or even VGA?
Now if they had tried all the those riser Gen 4 cards with DP, HDMI and DVI and the same occurred I would contend your right. And a better riser cable should be warranted or even a better monitor cable.
But spending $50-100 on a cable -even if 4th Gen? As a tech guy I can't condone it.
Also as a tech guy what I can condone is Coolermaster Riser cards and also NEVER EVER get PHANTEK riser cables!
They are all overpriced junk.
The video cable compatibility problem with the video cable has more to do with the video card and the monitor rather than the type of PCIe riser cable that is used. In Bitwit's case, he was using a Displayport cable but it wasn't VESA certified. So apparently the 6900 XT was very picky when it comes to Display cables. It had nothing to do with the riser cable. If he had used the Displayport same cable on that 6900 XT without the PCIe riser cable, he would still not get a video signal. So he could probably narrow down that the Display cable was the problem and not wasting money on more riser cables. In the end, he switched to Displayport 1.4 cables that were VESA certified and they worked perfectly. So that solved his issues. So simplest solution is the best again:
Just go with the latest Monitor cable version and any 4Gen riser card should work without issue.
Got it.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Mar 31, 2021 17:04:29 GMT
Technically early on in the video he does put the RX card directly into the Gigabyte test-bench motherboard and it works.
So he knows the card works and he already had another card in the system that was liquid that he knows works.
The latter card being a Nvidia card that worked successfully with at least one of the Riser cables.
So he knows both the GIGA and ASROCK boards are good. And that both cards are good. And that the one riser cable at least works too. Again by technicality his issue is using intution to skip a step or two. Nothing wrong with that just can make it confusing for some that may be trying to follow.
What I would advise is this: Get a $25 Riser Gen4 and depending on the connection types your monitor and graphics card has get: DVI, HDMI and DP cables.
Also if monitor or graphics card has a type that the other does not get a cable that has to different connections.
And before claiming the riser card DOESN'T WORK! try each cable and see if you get signal with one versus the other.
Though in my opinion I still would not recommend spending more than $25 on a riser cable no matter the generation.
You could spend $100 or even $1000 and still end up like him but with no signal.
Remember when he tested the 6900 XT on the Gigabyte mobo, he used a different display cable. That's why it worked. That's why I said he should've tested the 6900 XT on the Asrock without the PCIe riser cable instead. So when he used the same display cable he would probably figured out that was the issue. Get it? His original riser cable worked perfectly. Also, I don't think you can find a PCIe 4.0 riser cable for $25 at the moment. They are still kind of rare. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2021 17:50:46 GMT
I get it, and I ignore it. There is enough greed in the world, I will not participate in it. I have lived one of the least profitable lives ever, and as I near the big 5-0 I have no regrets about economics, no need to win. I understand just giving the caution.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 18:43:14 GMT
Technically early on in the video he does put the RX card directly into the Gigabyte test-bench motherboard and it works.
So he knows the card works and he already had another card in the system that was liquid that he knows works.
The latter card being a Nvidia card that worked successfully with at least one of the Riser cables.
So he knows both the GIGA and ASROCK boards are good. And that both cards are good. And that the one riser cable at least works too. Again by technicality his issue is using intution to skip a step or two. Nothing wrong with that just can make it confusing for some that may be trying to follow.
What I would advise is this: Get a $25 Riser Gen4 and depending on the connection types your monitor and graphics card has get: DVI, HDMI and DP cables.
Also if monitor or graphics card has a type that the other does not get a cable that has to different connections.
And before claiming the riser card DOESN'T WORK! try each cable and see if you get signal with one versus the other.
Though in my opinion I still would not recommend spending more than $25 on a riser cable no matter the generation.
You could spend $100 or even $1000 and still end up like him but with no signal.
Remember when he tested the 6900 XT on the Gigabyte mobo, he used a different display cable. That's why it worked. That's why I said he should've tested the 6900 XT on the Asrock without the PCIe riser cable instead. So when he used the same display cable he would probably figured out that was the issue. Get it? His original riser cable worked perfectly. Also, I don't think you can find a PCIe 4.0 riser cable for $25 at the moment. They are still kind of rare.True. I am of the validation that better to just to wait till the prices go down.
The LINKUP one he used is the only 4Gen as far as I know that is currently on Amazon is down to $58:
However there are generic 4Gen ones that are in the $25-$30 range on Newegg.
Ironic... since was about to say not put all buying options in one basket. Just search on Newegg: "PCIe 4.0 X16 Riser Cable"
Put priced lowest to highest but there is one there. Don't be fooled by the wanna-be's like this:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Mar 31, 2021 18:43:25 GMT
I understand just giving the caution.
And belated Birthday wishes.
It hasn't happened yet! I will fight this stain. Like this:
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It's good to know that the future setup may need some trying and tinkering. And yes, I won't be skimping on the riser cable. 
