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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 9, 2023 3:15:17 GMT
So you consider booting to the OS to be heavy duty? Call me skeptical. Those boot drives also hosted the page file. They were being accessed constantly compared to the HDDs which were only served as storage purposes. The HDDs were used relatively sparsely in comparison. That's the truth. Power surges are not the reason -spikes are -or a surge on steroids. Now maybe I am not terming it correctly and that is fine I simply mean a big enough surge and the electricity can jump the surge protection and your day is done. It has happened in the past. 15 to 20 years ago lighting spike jumped the surge protector and dead PC. Lighting can overwhelm no matter your protection and especially if you have none. You're actually wrong in that regard. Power surges are the ones that do actual damage to your electronics and not power spikes. Power spikes are over-voltage events that last only one or two nanoseconds. Because these events don't last very long, the total energy in a power spike is very low and it doesn't cause any damage or issues with your electronics. Power surges on the hand can last way longer compared to power spikes. We are talking about from three nanoseconds and up to minutes. Because the energy involved is a power surge is much more, it can do real harm to your electronics. As for lightning strikes, UPS can give you some protection for the ones hitting from a distance. For nearby or direct lightning strikes, you probably need to have a whole house surge protection installed but that's a relative complicated and expensive job. If this is a serious concern for you, you should look into this instead of a solar panel. So your the one who said that. Ok. Though with the power I use a 1000W UPS will only last a minute or so. Considering the "main" PC is not the only thing plugged into the outlets here. A solar panel would be easier. Considering we usually have over 4000kw/h or more a month we pay here so $250 to $750+ a month depending on the time of the year but what you going to do in a rural community? I have my main gaming PC (5950X and RTX 4090) hooked up to a 1500VA UPS that I bought for $180. If I lose power, the UPS can power the PC for about 30 minutes when I'm not playing any games. It's enough for me to close all the apps and shut down the PC properly. Even when I'm in a very demanding game, I can still close the game and have about 25 minutes to shut down the PC. That's the only purpose a UPS serves. We are not trying to power an entire house. Comparing a UPS to a solar panel setup is like comparing apples to llamas. They are two separate things. In fact, just get a UPS for your PC for now and you can always add your solar panel later. Boy you let the drives really degrade before you try to repair them -geez. That seems like its deep dive drive recovery -rookies. I like to get the drive fixed before that -when the issues first start to appear. If you are patient enough you can actually begin to tell when a drive malfunctions begin -even if software diagnostics don't even let you know. Unfortunately it had nothing to do with HDD degradation in that case. It was not something SMART or other drive health utilities/monitors could prevent. I would rather not get into detail. The system even had redundancy built-in but it received actual fire damage in an accident. Only an expensive third-party offsite solution could prevent such thing in that case. A crude method I think you can understand: This is easy enough to do. With a SSD I wouldn't dare try. Just the process could kill it. That's actually a relatively simple logic controller board swap to be honest, but even a simple operation like this would cost you an arm and a leg believe it or not. Also I'm pretty sure that most of us don't have that kind of soldering skills. Better use RAID and save you the time and money. Two things: 1. Uh duh. But for how long? Will the SSD out last a similar Hard Drive 1 to 1? Haven't seen a company actually do a side by side comparison of like drives both SSD and HDD of similar design and build quality. 2. Only 5 years of testing? Please that isn't reliability nor are they like drives -all different makes and models. This is SSD showman ship on one side. Both side by side and drives compared side by side and drive amounts checked against the other taking amounts of drives into account MUST be applied and it must be seven years -that is when traditional hard drives show the wear and tear if that. Backblaze publishes these reports based on the drives use on their own servers. These are the real numbers based on drives used on actual data servers. If you want more in depth testing in a more controlled environment, you'll need to ask someone to do it. For longer than five years? You can forget about it.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 9, 2023 5:13:12 GMT
So you consider booting to the OS to be heavy duty? Call me skeptical. Those boot drives also hosted the page file. They were being accessed constantly compared to the HDDs which were only served as storage purposes. The HDDs were used relatively sparsely in comparison. That's the truth. You don't split the page file across all drives or to its own drive? Power surges are not the reason -spikes are -or a surge on steroids. Now maybe I am not terming it correctly and that is fine I simply mean a big enough surge and the electricity can jump the surge protection and your day is done. It has happened in the past. 15 to 20 years ago lighting spike jumped the surge protector and dead PC. Lighting can overwhelm no matter your protection and especially if you have none. You're actually wrong in that regard. Power surges are the ones that do actual damage to your electronics and not power spikes. Power spikes are over-voltage events that last only one or two nanoseconds. Because these events don't last very long, the total energy in a power spike is very low and it doesn't cause any damage or issues with your electronics. Power surges on the hand can last way longer compared to power spikes. We are talking about from three nanoseconds and up to minutes. Because the energy involved is a power surge is much more, it can do real harm to your electronics. As for lightning strikes, UPS can give you some protection for the ones hitting from a distance. For nearby or direct lightning strikes, you probably need to have a whole house surge protection installed but that's a relative complicated and expensive job. If this is a serious concern for you, you should look into this instead of a solar panel. Ah so spike and surge reversed in me. What else is new. As to UPS... I will see... So your the one who said that. Ok. Though with the power I use a 1000W UPS will only last a minute or so. Considering the "main" PC is not the only thing plugged into the outlets here. A solar panel would be easier. Considering we usually have over 4000kw/h or more a month we pay here so $250 to $750+ a month depending on the time of the year but what you going to do in a rural community? I have my main gaming PC (5950X and RTX 4090) hooked up to a 1500VA UPS that I bought for $180. If I lose power, the UPS can power the PC for about 30 minutes when I'm not playing any games. It's enough for me to close all the apps and shut down the PC properly. Even when I'm in a very demanding game, I can still close the game and have about 25 minutes to shut down the PC. That's the only purpose a UPS serves. We are not trying to power an entire house.Comparing a UPS to a solar panel setup is like comparing apples to llamas. They are two separate things. In fact, just get a UPS for your PC for now and you can always add your solar panel later. I would need one that can go for up to four hours though. For once its done the PC job it would need to be plugged into the freezer and the Microwave. Boy you let the drives really degrade before you try to repair them -geez. That seems like its deep dive drive recovery -rookies. I like to get the drive fixed before that -when the issues first start to appear. If you are patient enough you can actually begin to tell when a drive malfunctions begin -even if software diagnostics don't even let you know. Unfortunately it had nothing to do with HDD degradation in that case. It was not something SMART or other drive health utilities/monitors could prevent. I would rather not get into detail. The system even had redundancy built-in but it received actual fire damage in an accident. Only an expensive third-party offsite solution could prevent such thing in that case. I see... In that case I would probably have just started over. If it included pictures of memories necessary to keep I would just have remembered them in my head instead of going through the trouble. Guess I am not such a sentimentalist. Lucky you got it done as a favor. A crude method I think you can understand: This is easy enough to do. With a SSD I wouldn't dare try. Just the process could kill it. That's actually a relatively simple logic controller board swap to be honest, but even a simple operation like this would cost you an arm and a leg believe it or not. Also I'm pretty sure that most of us don't have that kind of soldering skills. Better use RAID and save you the time and money. Yes its a simple operation. Which is why I trained myself to do it long ago... holding my breath does increase stability in the procedure if it even has to go that far. Sometimes it only takes is decoupling the drive while in operation -not advisable to rookies. I will stick with my cloning main drives and have them on standby instead for even RAID is more expensive than that. Two things: 1. Uh duh. But for how long? Will the SSD out last a similar Hard Drive 1 to 1? Haven't seen a company actually do a side by side comparison of like drives both SSD and HDD of similar design and build quality. 2. Only 5 years of testing? Please that isn't reliability nor are they like drives -all different makes and models. This is SSD showman ship on one side. Both side by side and drives compared side by side and drive amounts checked against the other taking amounts of drives into account MUST be applied and it must be seven years -that is when traditional hard drives show the wear and tear if that. Backblaze publishes these reports based on the drives use on their own servers. These are the real numbers based on drives used on actual data servers. If you want more in depth testing in a more controlled environment, you'll need to ask someone to do it. For longer than five years? You can forget about it. Linus "may" get there eventually but with his distractible mind I doubt it. Backblaze will get there eventually but they are not there yet. In ten more years they will have the necessary data. I will rely on my experience I have encountered till then. And as Kappa issue are showing Windows 11 may not like SSD's either...
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 9, 2023 6:05:26 GMT
You don't split the page file across all drives or to its own drive? No, I don't. The page file for me it's always on the boot drive and the boot drive is always the fastest SSD. I would need one that can go for up to four hours though. For once its done the PC job it would need to be plugged into the freezer and the Microwave. It doesn't matter. A UPS' sole purpose is to provide surge protection and give enough time to save your work and shut down your PC. That's it. You don't use it to power your PC, freezer, or microwave for hours. It's something cheap and affordable that you use on top of your solar power battery which you don't even have yet. Instead of surge protector power strips, you use UPS. I see... In that case I would probably have just started over. If it included pictures of memories necessary to keep I would just have remembered them in my head instead of going through the trouble. Guess I am not such a sentimentalist. Lucky you got it done as a favor. It was for work. I will rely on my experience I have encountered till then. And as Kappa issue are showing Windows 11 may not like SSD's either... Your experience? You don't even have any SSDs. Haha.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 9, 2023 7:21:22 GMT
I will rely on my experience I have encountered till then. And as Kappa issue are showing Windows 11 may not like SSD's either... Your experience? You don't even have any SSDs. Haha. I refer to my traditional hard drive experience and to stick with them till the evidence proves you wrong or right. I am not the kind who goes out and just replaces dead drives on a whim. If they die they die and don't get replaced till all are going to be. Hard drives must endure and by that I mean nearing a decade of service. THAT is paramount to me. Performance can take a back seat if necessary. I don't really care if you mock me for sticking to tried and true.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 9, 2023 12:18:18 GMT
I refer to my traditional hard drive experience and to stick with them till the evidence proves you wrong or right. I am not the kind who goes out and just replaces dead drives on a whim. If they die they die and don't get replaced till all are going to be. Hard drives must endure and by that I mean nearing a decade of service. THAT is paramount to me. Performance can take a back seat if necessary. I don't really care if you mock me for sticking to tried and true. Mocking? No. Ask yourself this. How could you say HDDs are better than SSDs, if you never had any first hand experience with SSD? Don't knock it till you've tried it.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 9, 2023 13:03:04 GMT
And as Kappa issue are showing Windows 11 may not like SSD's either... Windows 8, Windows 10 and Windows 11 are all built and optimized for SSD. For years, Microsoft have actually been pushing OEMs to use SSDs for boot drives and move away from HDDs. Unfortunately Kappa Neko has a more serious hardware issue. It could be a defective motherboard, CPU, RAM, GPU, or SSD. It could also be incorrect BIOS settings and bad drivers. It's anything but "Windows 11 may not like SSDs."
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 9, 2023 13:12:21 GMT
Yep modern Windows OS's since Win7 have been supporting SSD's. Haven't had any problems with them using at home or work, yet. Our servers got a very very healthy boost when changed from HDD's to SSD's, of course.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 9, 2023 18:41:54 GMT
After re-installing Windows on June 16th and using my PC with nothing but Edge and my Bitdender on it (without any issues whatsoever)....Today, I finally got around to re-installing all my other programs and games such as CCleaner, Revo Uninstaller Pro, Corsair iCue (for my liquid Cooler) etc....and for the last 4 hours.....my PC has been running beautifully.
I will monitor this over the next few weeks. *Paws, Ears, Whiskers and drumsticks crossed for continued problem-free behaviours and usage*
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Post by dazk on Jul 10, 2023 1:19:08 GMT
Guys, I need some advice again. So my computer is at the shop right now. Got assembled fine. Problem is the new board doesn't recognize the OS drive anymore. He tried everything, nothing worked. Board might only work with win 11, I didn't check for that tbh. I think it's weird but it is what it is. So it will have to be nuked for the windows 11 upgrade. Kinda expected this anyway and hopefully made backups of everything I need to get my modded games running again, like cloning the whole AppsData folder. (Sidenote: I seem to have lost my Win 10 product key, it's not in the CD sleeve anymore, so that's 50 bucks extra for a new key. *sigh*) I initially wanted the OS on the same old SATA instead of the M.2 because I couldn't care less if it boots in 10 or 2 seconds. Computer guy says it would be so much better to install the OS on the M.2. He claims a slower OS drive would have a negative effect on my games, really?? I thought the only thing that matters for games is how fast the install drive is?? I would like to have my games drive and my OS drive separate in case I need to do a fresh install again at some point. And modding guides always want everything NOT on C:. So is that outdated?
Should I just install OS and any future games on the M.2? Should I partition the M.2 in to 500GB for the OS and 1500 separate for games so that future fresh installs won't delete all my game stuff? Is that the best option? Sounds like it to me. What would you do? I also wonder about how much longer my old SSDs and HDDs will last. I'm not sure if the SATA with the OS is 8 years old too or it's the one I got a couple years later when win 10 was reinstalled. So 6 years old at the very least. Might be smart to go with the brand new M.2 because of that alone, right? I can keep using that 500GB SATA for one time game installs. If it fails soon no big loss. I have to tell the guy how I want it done in about 11h. Would appreciate your input, if you happen to read this in time. Many thanks! Sorry for wall of text but when I get a lot of information I try to give as much information as I can and hope it helps: What you want isn't so much outdated as not conforming to Microsoft's -"Let us be Borg approach". So I see nothing wrong with it. Also anyone who works somewhere is going to try and sell you items you may not want or need and if you want different sometimes you have to do it yourself. You could try the Ameliorated Windows 10 version that Bmwcrazy mentioned in the past -it will not work for me but maybe it would be for you. Though I think there is talk its got spyware within so maybe not a good idea. You could look into Windows 10 Black Edition but I also think that its spyware laden. Though if your technically inclined you can probably remove most of the spyware. Personally I burned an ISO of Windows 10 Enterprise 1909 long time back and install Windows 10 -while internet is disabled in the BIOS. That way Windows can't find no internet period. The only thing a M.2 hard drive will help with is maybe bootiness as an OS drive and will help in snappiness in menus and the saving and load times if its the game drive. All of this pandering that "You must have M.2" is bollocks at the best of it. Any traditional hard drive will work as an OS or game drive. If you see a traditional drive cheaper than a M.2 I don't see why it won't work. Will it load as fast as M.2 -no. BUT it will work if time isn't a bother -just will take longer. M.2 will not actually make the games run faster. If your Commander Shepard who is standing there in the ME2 Arrival DLC waiting for the timer to run out the M.2 isn't going to speed that up. Speaking as some who has multiple drives -4+ and more in the new build. I would advise keeping the games and OS separate. Also most mod programs now ask where you want your mod items to go -even the Fallout 76 one does. When you partition a SSD -while it does not cause degradation in performance -if you have to reinstall the OS multiple times then that section will become unusable first. So after a time that space will not function and you will have to use space for games as the OS partition. Also if you put games on the same drive with the OS then that will fill up the SSD faster and one thing about SSD's -they like free space -the fuller they get the slower they eventually run. In my view if using a SSD and want it to have a LONG and productive life -you should keep free space above 40%+ free space. So in my opinion its best to keep it two drives -one for OS and one for games. If your game collection is massive though you may want to consider three drives. One for OS. Then two drives for games: half and half. That would keep the drives free space high and keep the SSD performance up longer than most who just fill up hard drives. It may be more expensive but it pays off in the long run. If you want to know how long a Hard Drive will last you can check using Crystal Disk Info but I don't really use it since it just goes off the S.M.A.R.T. data. I prefer using Hard Drive Sentinel -it even shows estimated Drive life left. Had a friend who used HDS and it reported 6GB of damaged sectors and a suspected drive life time left of about a week. He didn't believe and took it to Microcenter and they basically verified what HDS had told him. They also tried to sell him a whole new computer when all he wanted was to replace the drive but they didn't expect is his fortitude. Saved himself $1200 getting the drive replaced versus getting a completely new PC -with speed he didn't need: only does email and minecraft. Hope it helps. Thanks for the recommend on Hard Drive Sentinel, I sus[ected especially my brand new C:\ drive would be in good order I had put it through 5 clean reinstalls of Windows so it was good to know it and my older D:\ are still in good order.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 10, 2023 2:09:33 GMT
And as Kappa issue are showing Windows 11 may not like SSD's either... Windows 8, Windows 10 and Windows 11 are all built and optimized for SSD. For years, Microsoft have actually been pushing OEMs to use SSDs for boot drives and move away from HDDs. Unfortunately Kappa Neko has a more serious hardware issue. It could be a defective motherboard, CPU, RAM, GPU, or SSD. It could also be incorrect BIOS settings and bad drivers. It's anything but "Windows 11 may not like SSDs." It may or may not be the drive they have not responded yet. They may have fixed it. We already mentioned defaulting the BIOS. If the issues do continue I hope we can get more Stop Codes. Yep modern Windows OS's since Win7 have been supporting SSD's. Haven't had any problems with them using at home or work, yet. Our servers got a very very healthy boost when changed from HDD's to SSD's, of course.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 10, 2023 2:09:45 GMT
After re-installing Windows on June 16th and using my PC with nothing but Edge and my Bitdender on it (without any issues whatsoever)....Today, I finally got around to re-installing all my other programs and games such as CCleaner, Revo Uninstaller Pro, Corsair iCue (for my liquid Cooler) etc....and for the last 4 hours.....my PC has been running beautifully. I will monitor this over the next few weeks. *Paws, Ears, Whiskers and drumsticks crossed for continued problem-free behaviours and usage* This will be telling. You running with or without the suspected devices?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 10, 2023 2:15:46 GMT
I refer to my traditional hard drive experience and to stick with them till the evidence proves you wrong or right. I am not the kind who goes out and just replaces dead drives on a whim. If they die they die and don't get replaced till all are going to be. Hard drives must endure and by that I mean nearing a decade of service. THAT is paramount to me. Performance can take a back seat if necessary. I don't really care if you mock me for sticking to tried and true. Mocking? No. Ask yourself this. How could you say HDDs are better than SSDs, if you never had any first hand experience with SSD? Don't knock it till you've tried it. I have seen reviews by Jay, Steve and even Linus of SSD's. I have seen the speed in boots and loads. I can attest their speed and performance in programs and games. Again to the average consumer or gamer that is fine but for me that is just in the here and now. I care about how it functions 3, 4, 5 years from now. For me all these reviews and whatnot show is the short term performance and speed of SSDs. Again that is ok for the performance minded. I am not performance minded. I am endurance minded. I care more about the performance long term -7 - 9 years. Also even though its from Seagate and 2010: With SSDs -eventually the cells will fail. Traditional hard drive disks don't wear out that way. Aluminum vs Silicon I take Metal lasting longer.
I also according to HDS already have 12600+ L\O cycles on my test EXOS that is just 5 months old. I put into this old computer to test. So at that rate probably 15000 by six months 30k in a year and that is on an EXOS so it should go longer. Granted I KNOW L/O are not P/E -not sure which statistic is. On a good note I got all but the big EXOS drives already. They should be here tomorrow and I can begin the final data transfers.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 10, 2023 6:10:18 GMT
There is no news yet. I didn't touch the PC yesterday at all. Was busy.
Now it's Monday morning and sometime in the afternoon/evening the PC will be picked up again and then I don't expect to hear anything about it until Tuesday evening.
I'll send the guy all the error codes I got and fingers crossed he can figure out what is going on. If it's damaged hardware I'll have to replace with and I guess fixing the computer is going to take a while. :/
I still don't know what to do about a new GPU either. It's a choice between the 4070 and having to upgrade to something with more vRAM soon. Or going overboard with a 4090 so that I can use it for 5 years. I'd really love to try Cyberpunk overdrive mode. It CAN be done with DLSS on a 4070 but meh. I know I'd be unhappy with a 4070 for modding. But I might also be unhappy if next generation I can get 4090 performance for half the price. It's almost three times the price of the 4070 for double the performance. So that would be really stupid too. I have less than a month to decide because I want the new card for BG3.
But first my PC needs to be running at all...
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Post by dazk on Jul 10, 2023 7:28:54 GMT
There is no news yet. I didn't touch the PC yesterday at all. Was busy. Now it's Monday morning and sometime in the afternoon/evening the PC will be picked up again and then I don't expect to hear anything about it until Tuesday evening. I'll send the guy all the error codes I got and fingers crossed he can figure out what is going on. If it's damaged hardware I'll have to replace with and I guess fixing the computer is going to take a while. :/ I still don't know what to do about a new GPU either. It's a choice between the 4070 and having to upgrade to something with more vRAM soon. Or going overboard with a 4090 so that I can use it for 5 years. I'd really love to try Cyberpunk overdrive mode. It CAN be done with DLSS on a 4070 but meh. I know I'd be unhappy with a 4070 for modding. But I might also be unhappy if next generation I can get 4090 performance for half the price. It's almost three times the price of the 4070 for double the performance. So that would be really stupid too. I have less than a month to decide because I want the new card for BG3. But first my PC needs to be running at all... I was going to get the 4070 but research and some asking on here pointed me towards the 4070Ti it gives something like 25% to 30% better performance and can handle entry level 4K from what I was told. I have been using it with the Nvidia DSR to upscale the resolution of my 1080p monitor by 2.25 to 2880x1620 and playing MEA using the Resolution Scaling in the game to upscale it 3200x1800 or thereabout without too many issues. Temp or Fan noise wise.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 10, 2023 8:05:10 GMT
There is no news yet. I didn't touch the PC yesterday at all. Was busy. Now it's Monday morning and sometime in the afternoon/evening the PC will be picked up again and then I don't expect to hear anything about it until Tuesday evening. I'll send the guy all the error codes I got and fingers crossed he can figure out what is going on. If it's damaged hardware I'll have to replace with and I guess fixing the computer is going to take a while. :/ I still don't know what to do about a new GPU either. It's a choice between the 4070 and having to upgrade to something with more vRAM soon. Or going overboard with a 4090 so that I can use it for 5 years. I'd really love to try Cyberpunk overdrive mode. It CAN be done with DLSS on a 4070 but meh. I know I'd be unhappy with a 4070 for modding. But I might also be unhappy if next generation I can get 4090 performance for half the price. It's almost three times the price of the 4070 for double the performance. So that would be really stupid too. I have less than a month to decide because I want the new card for BG3. But first my PC needs to be running at all... Ok. Those stop codes should give him a starting point to figure as to what is going on. As to GPU -as dazk says the 4070ti is probably a better choice though be sure your using a compatible PSU. Trouble is a 4070Ti still is running on Amazon around $790 to $860 with Galax & PNY being the cheapest and ASUS models being the most.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 10, 2023 8:11:12 GMT
I was going to get the 4070 but research and some asking on here pointed me towards the 4070Ti it gives something like 25% to 30% better performance and can handle entry level 4K from what I was told. I have been using it with the Nvidia DSR to upscale the resolution of my 1080p monitor by 2.25 to 2880x1620 and playing MEA using the Resolution Scaling in the game to upscale it 3200x1800 or thereabout without too many issues. Temp or Fan noise wise. I see the 4070Ti as the worst option because it's expensive and still has only 12GB! That's a big no-no for me as a modder. Performance is great right now, that is true. But the vRAM will be a problem as quickly as with the 4070. I'd rather get the 4080 instead but the pricing is the worst of them all and for that much money I want 24GB. I've been carefully watching prices. They kept dropping but they're already getting more expensive again. Ugh. I doubt the 4080 will be available for below 1000€ anytime soon if ever. This all sucks so bad. I don't expect the pricing to be better for the next generation and I really need a new card now. So waiting even longer is not an option for me anymore. I guess it will come down to either the 4070 dropping in price further or the 4090. I expect neither.
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Post by dazk on Jul 10, 2023 11:13:25 GMT
I was going to get the 4070 but research and some asking on here pointed me towards the 4070Ti it gives something like 25% to 30% better performance and can handle entry level 4K from what I was told. I have been using it with the Nvidia DSR to upscale the resolution of my 1080p monitor by 2.25 to 2880x1620 and playing MEA using the Resolution Scaling in the game to upscale it 3200x1800 or thereabout without too many issues. Temp or Fan noise wise. I see the 4070Ti as the worst option because it's expensive and still has only 12GB! That's a big no-no for me as a modder. Performance is great right now, that is true. But the vRAM will be a problem as quickly as with the 4070. I'd rather get the 4080 instead but the pricing is the worst of them all and for that much money I want 24GB. I've been carefully watching prices. They kept dropping but they're already getting more expensive again. Ugh. I doubt the 4080 will be available for below 1000€ anytime soon if ever. This all sucks so bad. I don't expect the pricing to be better for the next generation and I really need a new card now. So waiting even longer is not an option for me anymore. I guess it will come down to either the 4070 dropping in price further or the 4090. I expect neither. Really maybe prices are different in Australia? Mine cost $1,249 AUD which was comparable in USD but not sure about Euro's. 12GB is pretty huge for V-Ram but I am no expert and for the games I am playing, or plan to play that's overkill. The guide I used was 4GB VRAM as a minimum for 1080p gaming and I have a 1080p monitor, 6GB for 1440p and 8GB for 4K. From what I researched the 4070Ti is a way better option performance and longevity wise than the 4080 and in Australia far cheaper. Quote from someone I asked and trusted: The 4070Ti is perfect for 1440p and can do both Ultra settings and high frame rate at that resolution. It can do 4k fairly well too, probably at High settings and lower FPS (still above 60ish) but would be better if the game has DLSS support. I am currently playing at 120 capped FPS with 2880x1620 Resolution upscaled to 3000x1800+ resolution. I have no idea however how MODDING which you as a user do affects anything.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 10, 2023 12:11:37 GMT
I have seen reviews by Jay, Steve and even Linus of SSD's. I have seen the speed in boots and loads. I can attest their speed and performance in programs and games. Again to the average consumer or gamer that is fine but for me that is just in the here and now. I care about how it functions 3, 4, 5 years from now. For me all these reviews and whatnot show is the short term performance and speed of SSDs. Again that is ok for the performance minded. I am not performance minded. I am endurance minded. I care more about the performance long term -7 - 9 years. Also even though its from Seagate and 2010:With SSDs -eventually the cells will fail. Traditional hard drive disks don't wear out that way. Aluminum vs Silicon I take Metal lasting longer. Like I told you already, you'll be fine as long as you stay away from cheap and bad SSDs. Stick with brands like Intel, Samsung, or even Western Digital. I've been using SSDs since 2011. I still have a couple Intel SSDs and Samsung 830 SSDs that I bought in 2011 and 2012. They still work perfectly. NAND flash cells only have a limited number of write cycles, but not reading cycles and they don't fail over time either as long as they're powered on once a year or so. Traditional HDDs also wear out because they have moving parts. SSDs and HDDs serve different purposes. I'm not telling you to replace all your HDDs with SSDs. Use SSDs for bootdrives, games, and other apps. You should also use SSDs as temporary storages/workspace for all your video editing work. You'll appreciate how fast modern SSDs are when you move start transferring and moving large video files. HDDs are still best for archiving and backup storage because they're a lot more affordable than SSDs.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 10, 2023 12:28:44 GMT
Really maybe prices are different in Australia? Mine cost $1,249 AUD which was comparable in USD but not sure about Euro's. 12GB is pretty huge for V-Ram but I am no expert and for the games I am playing, or plan to play that's overkill. The guide I used was 4GB VRAM as a minimum for 1080p gaming and I have a 1080p monitor, 6GB for 1440p and 8GB for 4K. From what I researched the 4070Ti is a way better option performance and longevity wise than the 4080 and in Australia far cheaper. Quote from someone I asked and trusted: The 4070Ti is perfect for 1440p and can do both Ultra settings and high frame rate at that resolution. It can do 4k fairly well too, probably at High settings and lower FPS (still above 60ish) but would be better if the game has DLSS support. I am currently playing at 120 capped FPS with 2880x1620 Resolution upscaled to 3000x1800+ resolution. I have no idea however how MODDING which you as a user do affects anything. You get insane VRAM usage when you start modding your games like using custom high resolution texture packs. Newer PS5 and Xbox X/S ports use a lot of VRAM as well. Jedi Survivor can use up to 13GB of VRAM with epic ray-tracing at 1440p and even up to 18GB at 4K with max settings. I play Hogwarts Legacy at 1440p with max settings and the game regularly uses more than 10GB of VRAM.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 10, 2023 12:39:51 GMT
I still don't know what to do about a new GPU either. It's a choice between the 4070 and having to upgrade to something with more vRAM soon. Or going overboard with a 4090 so that I can use it for 5 years. I'd really love to try Cyberpunk overdrive mode. It CAN be done with DLSS on a 4070 but meh. I know I'd be unhappy with a 4070 for modding. But I might also be unhappy if next generation I can get 4090 performance for half the price. It's almost three times the price of the 4070 for double the performance. So that would be really stupid too. I have less than a month to decide because I want the new card for BG3. I actually finished an entire playthrough of Cyberpunk 2077 with RT Overdrive. I did that just to be able to experience the entire game with Path Tracing. I say it's probably best to just use normal Ray Tracing settings instead. The game looks more realistic with RT Overdrive, but I don't think it looks any better than normal RT. It is not really worth the performance tradeoffs. If you want to use RT Overdrive, you definitely need to use Nvidia's Frame Generation. The good thing is that PC hardware are constantly depreciating especially GPUs. We will see many price cuts and major discounts soon.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 10, 2023 13:18:01 GMT
After re-installing Windows on June 16th and using my PC with nothing but Edge and my Bitdender on it (without any issues whatsoever)....Today, I finally got around to re-installing all my other programs and games such as CCleaner, Revo Uninstaller Pro, Corsair iCue (for my liquid Cooler) etc....and for the last 4 hours.....my PC has been running beautifully. I will monitor this over the next few weeks. *Paws, Ears, Whiskers and drumsticks crossed for continued problem-free behaviours and usage* This will be telling. You running with or without the suspected devices? I"m running with everything just as it was. It's now 9:20 am on July 10th as of writing this post....and still no issues whatsoever.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 10, 2023 14:38:53 GMT
I"m running with everything just as it was. It's now 9:20 am on July 10th as of writing this post....and still no issues whatsoever. Your weird mouse click issue is like herpes. I don't understand why it keeps coming back to haunt you. Haha.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 10, 2023 15:04:34 GMT
You get insane VRAM usage when you start modding your games like using custom high resolution texture packs. Newer PS5 and Xbox X/S ports use a lot of VRAM as well. Jedi Survivor can use up to 13GB of VRAM with epic ray-tracing at 1440p and even up to 18GB at 4K with max settings. I play Hogwarts Legacy at 1440p with max settings and the game regularly uses more than 10GB of VRAM. Exactly. I sold my 970 within a year because modding with 3,5GB just sucked. I couldn't run Skyrim with flora overhaul at 1440p. People were still amazed how good my game could look with a 970. But if I'm going to mod Skyrim again I want to be able to go nuts this time. I started modding it again last year and my old setup had stuttering and low fps issues. AGAIN, even with 11GB so I can't image I'd be happy with a 4070(Ti) for long. It's probably going to be a while before I can mod Starfield like crazy. So I'm not sure if I should buy a "cheap" card now and hope the next gen will have decent vRAM on their mid tier cards but kinda doubt it. This vRAM scam has been going on for years. They learned their lesson with how long my 1080Ti held up because of the - at the time - ample vRAM. They won't repeat that mistake. Enough vRAM now costs more than double! If you can't afford that, too bad for you. Enjoy upgrading every generation. I still don't know what to do. I'm also scared of the cable melting issue of the 4090 which is why a friend has been holding off getting one even though he usually always buys the best right away. Yeah, overdrive is probably not worth it but I'd like to experience it anyway if the card I end up getting gives me 30fps at least. I may or may not buy an ultra wide monitor with better refresh rate than my old 60hz one. Not sure yet. Depends on which card I buy. I don't expect great price drops in the near future when I need them. Prices in Germany are always much higher than the States and we get laughable 3% discounts we have to be happy about, and Black Friday is usually a joke too. If I wasn't into modding the 4070 would be fine for 2-3 years probably for most games because of DLSS3.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 10, 2023 17:24:00 GMT
OK, my guy just picked up the PC. We talked a little bit about it and his theory is that my GPU is too old for the new DDR5 setup. Is that plausible?? Mind you, he's no gaming PC expert. I never thought about new DDR5 hardware being incompatible with a six year old GPU. I guess it's a setup that most people won't try. So I don't know if any of you guys has experience with that? I'll have to google this... Edit: Apparently this isn't possible because any PCIe card is backwards compatible.
I guess that's easy to determine by running it with the on-board graphics which he plans to do first thing. If for some reason the board/RAM don't play nice with the 1080Ti, then it's no big deal because I plan on replacing it within 3-4 weeks anyway. I'd much prefer that to new defective components actually.
He claims he ran all kinds of tool that said everything was in order. No Windows install corruption. It could be the M.2 though, he'll test the system on a SATA.
I'll hear back from him on Wednesday how things are looking. Fingers crossed he finds the culprit. I still have PTSD from my old car I bought used with a defect that didn't show during the test drive, I brought it back and the dealer claimed to have fixed it twice and it wasn't true. Took forever to figure out what the problem was. Turned out it was major damage of several thousand euros. Tried to blackmail me into paying for all that myself. That was a nightmare.
Fingers crossed my PC gets fixed quicker...
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 10, 2023 18:27:14 GMT
Hi Kappa.
Very quickly....just picking up on your comment/question about the possibility of your GPU being too old for the rest of your system. I know you have raised other points and other questions, but for now that is what I want to answer as that is the one thing that jumpted out at me the most.
Yes, that is entirely possible. Like any other piece of hardware within the system, there comes a point where due to age and the advancements in technology over the years (even 2 or 3 years) it is the better investment to buy newer and more 'up to date' hardware than try and stick with something older. Especially in the GPU department as that is most often the one singular part that anyone replaces if they're wanting to improve performance. And being a Windows PC that is (I'm assuming custom built where you've bought the individual parts and put it together yourself rather than a branded PC like ASUS, ACER, IBM etc where THEY put it together.....and then charge you both arms and half a leg for replacement parts if needed). Swapping out a GPU is the easiest thing to do and the most common replaceable part a person would go for if any incremental performance over the years is needed or desired.
Still, there comes a time when simply replacing only the GPU and expecting or seeing an increase in performance just won't cut it anymore. At that point, as you have done, it is better to buy all new parts that are more updated, and this would include the GPU because sometimes putting an older GPU (which you may honestly think is still good and performing well...and it may be) but when trying to put it on a 'newer' system, sometimes it's just not the best match.
*Crossing paws and drumsticks for you and your PC*
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