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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 16, 2021 13:50:37 GMT
I wanted to write this after thinking about it for a few days, seeing some things on twitter that i will say later. So, let's begin. As we all know in the opening shot, it shows us both the mw galaxy and andromeda galaxy. Then we hear a radio transmission, but as someone said on reddit it's N7 transmission and that's very interesting. What i think this means is that N7 is the symbol of the mass effect and when we hear it, it signifies the franchise has return. After that we dive through the mw and we go into the sol system, then we travel in chronological order through the major events of what we already know (first contact war, peace with the turians, Ai leaving for andromeda (I don't know if it is though cause there's only 5 arks, but maybe they counted nexus as one, or there's a new one that left before the war too?). Then we hear people fighting reapers. After that we see a broken relay. Many here say that it's debris seemed to point it's after the events of me3 and not 600 years later, but I don't think that's the case. As we see the imagery of both galaxies in the beginning, this is the same for the broken relay and the debris when we hear the beam attack. After that we hear a woman trying to communicate with the mw. We know that the ai wanted to communicate with the mw eventually, and build relays to connect with them. Then we hear multiple voices from the mw and andromeda. One of them sounds as an angara saying "set probe delay", or it could be jardaan too. Maybe they might have traveled to the mw? There's a purple nebula cloud or something forming a reaper and a figure at the top of it. Could be shepard or maybe liara,as we see her walking on a reaper. Something is lurking around, maybe something evil... We see a ship flying through a frozen planet, then we see liara walking as she's looking for someone, probably about to meet that person. As we see her walking we can see she's wearing different clothes, those one a matriarch would've wear. She stops and breaks the n7 piece from the helmet. Thanks to Unicephalon 40-D he made an interesting point, and that is when she breaks it and we see the symbol, is that the franchise has been put off from the ice. It could also be a nod to the fallen hero shepard. She looks a little bit sad but also reminiscent of the past, of shepard, the adventures they had together and with the crew, good and bad memories. She looks at the distance. The sun shows us a more older liara (i know many say it's for "artistic integrity" or that the graphics have evolved, but almost all of her face has wrinkles so she's definitely older. And I don't think that was just to confuse people. It is clear). She seems hopeful for the future as she sees an unknown crew with an unknown ship at the distance. Are they though? She knows at least one person and that's ryder. It's the middle figure. She'll definitely knew that alec had two children, when she was helping him to make the travel to another galaxy. Then we see a salarian at the left which is kallo, and a krogan at the right (probably drack or grunt but drack makes more sense). She smiles and this is where things become interesting. The smile is aimed at us the fans, and acknowledge that ME/MEA isn't dead. One guy said that too before me, and Nathan Zufelt the animation director on the NME liked the tweet. This is an indication as i think they wouldn't like something just for the sake of it, so this means something.... Forgot to say when the opening shot with both galaxies appears, meaning they might connect. It seems like ryder was flying from Andromeda to mw, showing us that we can travel faster than before, almost instantly. That's why we saw the ship arriving at the frozen planet, and then immediately we see liara. It's like a meeting of old (mass effect trilogy/liara) and new (Ryder/Andromeda), but also maybe for story purposes cause liara for sure will play a part here. All of this leads me to believe that this is a sequel to andromeda but as liana from gameinformer said will be more integrated with the trilogy than before, although they already hinted that in the game. I'm gonna say it's gonna be more of a sequel to Andromeda and a little bit of the trilogy or maybe kinda equally, but without acknowledging every choice you make on the trilogy given that we see ryder, I'm gonna say it's 630 years after the ot. A few years might have passed after the events of andromeda too, and only one ending might be canon, maybe the destroy cause the letters were red at the "will continue". The control ending might play some part too but without being canon, though i'm not sure, so we'll see... To all the andromeda fans in here there's still hope from what i read and see on twitter. They can't abandon all these characters which are already build for new ones, it's gonna be a lot more easier fleshing out the existing ones and faster, and i see them very eager to show more. They wouldn't be if there was a new character and crew. We would've had only seen the ship if that was the case, and ryder and crew they do not stand beside the ship by accident there, or to symbolize the connection between galaxies. We have already that at the opening shot. Also i think the ship might be the replacement of the nomad... They just can't let go all these people with nothing and they know they'll lose money from them. It's not few nor the majority (that'll be the ot fans) but there's a good amount of support for the game. Those who don't like it are just shepard fans who can't let go of the ending. Shepard might return, even if the chances are fewer, but we'll see... If we get a live service game it's gonna be really bad, and i don't think they want that, (look at anthem). Still i can expect it, i hope not though... Gamble seems to love andromeda and does anyone remember the "look up to the stars, pathfinders tweet? That was a hint too as well as the "I've been thinking 1.360d about it. Andromeda released 1.360d which is 3 years and 11 months i think. He said he started thinking about andromeda after it released. He also said again the same, that he was thinking about the nme for the past 1.360d (Andromeda release) when we saw the teaser, again a hint. As for tom's answer, he might know it but don't want to admit it. One guy said to him is this NDA speaking and he teased. The not involved (yet) is kinda teasing, and he's a big teaser like Michael...
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 19, 2021 10:10:32 GMT
I don't see the point of taking Ryder and putting him in the Milky Way. What point would that serve? What does Ryder have to do with it? Yes, his dad talked to Liara once. At this point, anyone would be a good representative to send to the Milky Way. And why are we even seeing Liara? I get the nor and the "connection" between the old and the new, but just because Bioware is going ahead and doing it, doesn't mean people want it, or care for it. Ryder would probably have his hands full with what is going on in Andromeda, unless the point is to gather allies of the Milky Way races to fight the Kett and whatever the Scourge is doing to Andromeda. In which case we are talking about ME3: Episode 2. Only without the personal investment in the Milky Way's issues, whatever those may be, if there even are any. I'm sure Bioware will find a way to force that drama, definitely, but we'd already be treading old ground. Not that we didn't already do that with ME:A. This sounds like a bad fanfic idea.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 19, 2021 11:02:57 GMT
I don't see the point of taking Ryder and putting him in the Milky Way. What point would that serve? And why are we even seeing Liara? There is a reason to put him though. We know the jardaans left Andromeda, and someday they will return. What when they left, thousands of years ago they traveled to the mw, and met the protheans? What if these big structures as gamble hinted are both prothean and jardaan technology? We don't know anything else about the jardaans besides they terraformed an entire cluster, and created the angara. There's gotta be more to them than that. They can do a lot of things, and Ryder makes sense cause it's a big plot point from Andromeda and it's gonna be very interesting imo, if they want to connect the two galaxies. Liara is here not only because she might be the only one alive from the crew, besides grunt, and to show the meeting of old and new, but also for story purposes. She will for sure help, and provide information to what happened when they left. She might still be the shadowbroker or may have a higher role, maybe on the council(?)
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 19, 2021 11:49:09 GMT
There is a reason to put him though. We know the jardaans left Andromeda, and someday they will return. What when they left, thousands of years ago they traveled to the mw, and met the protheans? What if these big structures as gamble hinted are both prothean and jardaan technology? That is dumb. And I seriously hope Bioware doesn't ... no, I hope Bioware DOES take that direction. We're obviously way past the point that Bioware even cares about it, so why the fuck not? Liara is here not only because she might be the only one alive from the crew, besides grunt, and to show the meeting of old and new, but also for story purposes. She will for sure help, and provide information to what happened when they left. She might still be the shadowbroker or may have a higher role, maybe on the council(?) So now we're going to have Liara be the best biotic ever, the best Prothean expert, now she will also be the only Jardaan expert, as per the Jardaan influence in the Milky Way, the Shadow Broker and, perhaps, even Councilor. That is also dumb and seems like just being put there, to have Liara return to the plot, to "approve" of the Andromeda squad. I don't need Liara to approve anyone for me. She doesn't speak for me. I am not brain damaged enough, to need to be told what to think, yet. So by all means, do go down that story beat. I can't wait to see the roast it will get. None of these ideas are good or worth exploring.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 19, 2021 12:28:37 GMT
There is a reason to put him though. We know the jardaans left Andromeda, and someday they will return. What when they left, thousands of years ago they traveled to the mw, and met the protheans? What if these big structures as gamble hinted are both prothean and jardaan technology? That is dumb. And I seriously hope Bioware doesn't ... no, I hope Bioware DOES take that direction. We're obviously way past the point that Bioware even cares about it, so why the fuck not? Liara is here not only because she might be the only one alive from the crew, besides grunt, and to show the meeting of old and new, but also for story purposes. She will for sure help, and provide information to what happened when they left. She might still be the shadowbroker or may have a higher role, maybe on the council(?) So now we're going to have Liara be the best biotic ever, the best Prothean expert, now she will also be the only Jardaan expert, as per the Jardaan influence in the Milky Way, the Shadow Broker and, perhaps, even Councilor. That is also dumb and seems like just being put there, to have Liara return to the plot, to "approve" of the Andromeda squad. I don't need Liara to approve anyone for me. She doesn't speak for me. I am not brain damaged enough, to need to be told what to think, yet. So by all means, do go down that story beat. I can't wait to see the roast it will get. None of these ideas are good or worth exploring. I think she's not gonna have a very big role, but she will have a presense. To what extent I don't know. For me the jardaan story was one of the most interesting things in the game, along with the scourge and the benefactor. It could be explored further, in man ways along with the other two... What story will be interesting for you, bringing back shepard and co?
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Post by Gileadan on Jan 19, 2021 12:59:28 GMT
I can't imagine what reason Ryder would have to return to the Milky Way - no problem could possibly so big and specific that it would require Ryder (or anyone else) make the trip back to the Milky Way from Andromeda. I'm sure there are enough people in the Milky Way who learn quickly enough to face whatever problem the game will present to us there and would therefore make good new protagonists. Even if the Jardaan are somehow present in the Milky Way - which I'd personally find rather lame - no one there knows what happened in Andromeda and that the Jardaan came from there, so no one's going to say "OMG this looks like the Jardaan from Andromeda, someone get Ryder!"
Also, one of the radio messages says "Ark 6 is away", meaning that more people travel from the Milky Way to Andromeda, not the other way around. This likely means that the story begins in the Milky Way (unless they decide to switch between galaxies(!) and protagonists as the story evolves) and therefore the protagonist is from the Milky Way too.
Given the relative incompetence the Andromeda Initiative was portrayed as - most of their leadership except Ryder probably wouldn't find their own butts with a flashlight and three attempts - any effort as big as crossing from one galaxy to another will likely only originate in the Milky Way.
That said, given BioWare's skill at pulling deus ex machinas, I wouldn't be overly surprised if someone in Andromeda would say something like "Guys! Know what that blueprint is that no one understood? I know! It's a galactic mass relay!"
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 19, 2021 13:27:04 GMT
What story will be interesting for you, bringing back shepard and co? A post destroy Milky Way is an interesting place. Considering the complaints ME3 got, it would make sense, just to address those points, to go back to Shepard and co. for 1 title. The title you are suggesting, is a spin off to an Andromeda sub-plot, to overplay the Jardaan, to show us how better they were than the Protheans, which is exactly what they are going to do and you know it, for Ryder to meet Liara, who will give her approval to Ryder and tell us how great Ryder is and, possibly, even better than Shepard. I don't need this plot. But as I am not the writer of Mass Effect, I also can't make up a plot, about something happening before, or after, I can only work with what I've got. I also cannot make a plot about something, anything, Andromeda or Milky Way related, that isn't tied to Shepard that will have any actual market success. I would love a game about the shady underworld of the Citadel, with a new player wanting to enter the scene, or being thrust into it, having to deal with the merc groups and the mob bosses, I want to see treason and double crossings etc. but I'm not going to be able to sell it. Nobody's buying this until ME is fixed and nobody is going to want to play this character, the way Bioware writes these characters, or the crew that will come along with them. Not to mention, you can't set this up prior to ME3, because nobody cares, because everyone dies, or after ME3, because now the Citadel is under Earth and subsequently Systems Alliance jurisdiction.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 19, 2021 16:56:41 GMT
What story will be interesting for you, bringing back shepard and co? This. Here's an idea Bioware could use for a trailer.
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Post by traks on Jan 19, 2021 18:12:13 GMT
I can't imagine what reason Ryder would have to return to the Milky Way - no problem could possibly so big and specific that it would require Ryder (or anyone else) make the trip back to the Milky Way from Andromeda. I'm sure there are enough people in the Milky Way who learn quickly enough to face whatever problem the game will present to us there and would therefore make good new protagonists. Even if the Jardaan are somehow present in the Milky Way - which I'd personally find rather lame - no one there knows what happened in Andromeda and that the Jardaan came from there, so no one's going to say "OMG this looks like the Jardaan from Andromeda, someone get Ryder!"Also, one of the radio messages says "Ark 6 is away", meaning that more people travel from the Milky Way to Andromeda, not the other way around. This likely means that the story begins in the Milky Way (unless they decide to switch between galaxies(!) and protagonists as the story evolves) and therefore the protagonist is from the Milky Way too. Given the relative incompetence the Andromeda Initiative was portrayed as - most of their leadership except Ryder probably wouldn't find their own butts with a flashlight and three attempts - any effort as big as crossing from one galaxy to another will likely only originate in the Milky Way. That said, given BioWare's skill at pulling deus ex machinas, I wouldn't be overly surprised if someone in Andromeda would say something like "Guys! Know what that blueprint is that no one understood? I know! It's a galactic mass relay!" If BioWare goes that route, you can bet, that they would spin it the other way around: Ryder following the Jaardan to warn the Milky Way, share what he/she found out about the Jaardan in Andromeda and then be part of/leading the team trying to solve the problem. Which would be an obvious story hook, because Ryder currently has three/four story arcs left to explore, that have relevance for the overall ME story: finding out who the benefactor is and related to that, what happened in the Milky Way; what overall plans the Kett Empire has and where they come from; who are the Jaardan and what drove them away? But I stated elsewhere, that while I don't write this off, it depends on what story BioWare wants to tell. If it's centered around such Andromeda topics, kept in perspective, of course Ryder would be the obvious choice. But if it starts and is centered more around the Milky Way, I definitely expect a third playable character to enter the ME universe. My personal take from the teaser: the latter. I think a lot of these circle discussions center around the wrong questions/points though. Stating "I don't want Ryder, I don't like him/her, anyone can do what he/she can" or "Shepard sells" isn't really productive. What BioWare has to think of is: what is the most exciting story we want/can tell next and who would be best PC for that specific story? A general point on intertwining Andromeda/the MW: a planned connection to the Milky Way HAS to be the goal to (retroactively) make any sense of the Andromeda Initiative as a premise for further games. You can write a story around that connection not being feasible because of x or y, but you can't write a story about utopian horseshit, i.e. just going to Andromeda for the lulz with no intention of building a bridge to/trying to share your findings with the Milky Way. If you go somewhere as an explorer, it only has meaning if you share your observations with "your people back home"; while an expedition focused solely on colonization with no intention of looking back doesn't need a 600 year flight in stasis pods. Especially in a universe, that knows means to travel way faster than anyone of us can imagine (Mass Relays) and has established artificial intelligence, you can bet that BioWare always intended to build a bridge between the two galaxies (it was even mentioned in the early teasers). Whether they go there in the next game and from what angle? Too early to tell.
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Post by traks on Jan 19, 2021 18:16:48 GMT
That is dumb. And I seriously hope Bioware doesn't ... no, I hope Bioware DOES take that direction. We're obviously way past the point that Bioware even cares about it, so why the fuck not? So now we're going to have Liara be the best biotic ever, the best Prothean expert, now she will also be the only Jardaan expert, as per the Jardaan influence in the Milky Way, the Shadow Broker and, perhaps, even Councilor. That is also dumb and seems like just being put there, to have Liara return to the plot, to "approve" of the Andromeda squad. I don't need Liara to approve anyone for me. She doesn't speak for me. I am not brain damaged enough, to need to be told what to think, yet. So by all means, do go down that story beat. I can't wait to see the roast it will get. None of these ideas are good or worth exploring. I think she's not gonna have a very big role, but she will have a presense. To what extent I don't know. For me the jardaan story was one of the most interesting things in the game, along with the scourge and the benefactor. It could be explored further, in man ways along with the other two... What story will be interesting for you, bringing back shepard and co? Liara is the shadow broker, so I can imagine her having a big role as an advisor, maybe even again as a squadmate for the PC.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 19, 2021 18:50:35 GMT
what is the most exciting story we want/can tell next and who would be best PC for that specific story? Depends. Exciting for who? For example, the LucasFils story group didn't want to include Luke Skywalker in any of their Star Wars stories, because Luke overshadows every new character they tried to introduce, which they considered a hindrance, but to the fans, simply having Luke was exciting. Ideally, you want your fans excited. Believe it or not, Ryder won't generate that same excitement. New Protagonist, who we know nothing about, is just as likely not going to be cause for excitement. Perhaps to me, as a writer, getting to write a new character is exciting and maybe I do have a story to tell that best works that way, but perhaps not everyone wants to hear it. So regardless of what I, as a writer, find exciting, I also need to make it exciting for who I am making this story; the audience. If I fail to make the story exciting for the audience, then I have failed, regardless of how exciting I personally find it to be.
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Post by traks on Jan 19, 2021 20:07:01 GMT
what is the most exciting story we want/can tell next and who would be best PC for that specific story? Depends. Exciting for who? For example, the LucasFils story group didn't want to include Luke Skywalker in any of their Star Wars stories, because Luke overshadows every new character they tried to introduce, which they considered a hindrance, but to the fans, simply having Luke was exciting. Ideally, you want your fans excited. Believe it or not, Ryder won't generate that same excitement. New Protagonist, who we know nothing about, is just as likely not going to be cause for excitement. Perhaps to me, as a writer, getting to write a new character is exciting and maybe I do have a story to tell that best works that way, but perhaps not everyone wants to hear it. So regardless of what I, as a writer, find exciting, I also need to make it exciting for who I am making this story; the audience. If I fail to make the story exciting for the audience, then I have failed, regardless of how exciting I personally find it to be. Of course for the audience, because the audience will decide what's exciting. But: the success formula is to me story first, then choose the fitting protagonist for that story. Not the other way around. I know, for you it's "Shepard sells", but that's not an argument from a story standpoint (and one I don't even agree with, unless ME3 gets changed - which it is apparently not). You don't get great story ideas when starting with the question "how the fuck can I bring back Shepard?" It's time to switch your analogies. Think of Shepard as Kirk and now we need to find our Picard.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 19, 2021 20:25:24 GMT
I think she's not gonna have a very big role, but she will have a presense. To what extent I don't know. For me the jardaan story was one of the most interesting things in the game, along with the scourge and the benefactor. It could be explored further, in man ways along with the other two... What story will be interesting for you, bringing back shepard and co? Liara is the shadow broker, so I can imagine her having a big role as an advisor, maybe even again as a squadmate for the PC. Yeah... She might be in the squad as a guest for some specific mission(s) that might relate with her, though i don't see her being a squadmate. Mostly npc.
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Post by midnightwolf on Jan 19, 2021 20:30:45 GMT
Liara is the shadow broker, so I can imagine her having a big role as an advisor, maybe even again as a squadmate for the PC. Yeah... She might be in the squad as a guest for some specific mission(s) that might relate with her, though i don't see her being a squadmate. Mostly npc. Lets hope NOT. I had enough of her during my time with Shepard. If Liara features a strong presence during the new ME, I won't buy it. She was forced on the Player enough throughout the Trilogy. She absolutely isn't needed here.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 19, 2021 20:40:13 GMT
Of course for the audience, because the audience will decide what's exciting. But: the success formula is to me story first, then choose the fitting protagonist for that story. Not the other way around. I know, for you it's "Shepard sells", but that's not an argument from a story standpoint (and one I don't even agree with, unless ME3 gets changed - which it is apparently not). You don't get great story ideas when starting with the question "how the fuck can I bring back Shepard?" The trailer already decanonizes refusal and low EMS destroy, because Liara is there. So already you have decanonization of options, at least 2, from the trailer. The dead Reapers and the lack of green circuits rules out Synthesis as well, although dead Reapers could rule out Control as well, as the dead Reapers would have either been salvaged or repaired, not left around. So that leaves us with 2 possible scenarios; mid or high EMS destroy as the ending we are going forward with. And Shepard lives in the high EMS destroy ending. So you don't have to change anything, to bring Shepard back. And if you want, we can argue about what is left to do, after a high EMS destroy ending, I've done it 50 times so far. It's time to switch your analogies. Think of Shepard as Kirk and now we need to find our Picard. You're really expecting Bioware, modern Bioware, to make a Picard? You'd be lucky to get Michael Burnham, but you'd end up with Ensign Tilly instead. Ryder was obviously Wesley. No thanks. I've had enough. You gave me a good laugh, though.
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Post by traks on Jan 19, 2021 20:49:16 GMT
Of course for the audience, because the audience will decide what's exciting. But: the success formula is to me story first, then choose the fitting protagonist for that story. Not the other way around. I know, for you it's "Shepard sells", but that's not an argument from a story standpoint (and one I don't even agree with, unless ME3 gets changed - which it is apparently not). You don't get great story ideas when starting with the question "how the fuck can I bring back Shepard?" The trailer already decanonizes refusal and low EMS destroy, because Liara is there. So already you have decanonization of options, at least 2, from the trailer. The dead Reapers and the lack of green circuits rules out Synthesis as well, although dead Reapers could rule out Control as well, as the dead Reapers would have either been salvaged or repaired, not left around. So that leaves us with 2 possible scenarios; mid or high EMS destroy as the ending we are going forward with. And Shepard lives in the high EMS destroy ending. So you don't have to change anything, to bring Shepard back. And if you want, we can argue about what is left to do, after a high EMS destroy ending, I've done it 50 times so far.It's time to switch your analogies. Think of Shepard as Kirk and now we need to find our Picard. You're really expecting Bioware, modern Bioware, to make a Picard? You'd be lucky to get Michael Burnham, but you'd end up with Ensign Tilly instead. Ryder was obviously Wesley. No thanks. I've had enough. You gave me a good laugh, though. Nah, it's nothing I want to get involved in. I just repeat, that you underestimate how attached players are to their version of Shepard and although I am a destroyer myself, I don't throw the other fans under the bus by forcing a different Shepard as playable character on them and I don't expect BioWare to do it in continuing with a Shepard that's not theirs. Start to think of others. Shepard as a historical figure works for everyone though. It also gives you the clean slate you want as a writer to tell the story you want.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 19, 2021 20:57:53 GMT
I just repeat, that you underestimate how attached players are to their version of Shepard and although I am a destroyer myself, I don't throw the other fans under the bus by forcing a different Shepard as playable character on them and I don't expect BioWare to do it in continuing with a Shepard that's not theirs/yours. 80% of players picked Destroy. You want to force what on who? When the gaming audience collectively lost their shit to Shepard returning? You've seen the discussions, the comments to the video, the media coverage. Virtually everyone wants Shepard back. Start to think of others. I am. Are you? I think you're thinking of you, when you project this idea on others. Shepard as a historical figure works for everyone though No, it doesn't. Not when the franchise died because of what ME3 did to him. You gotta fix it and making him a "historical figure" doesn't. But sure, let Bioware drum up a "Picard" in the next game. I'm sure it will be so easy for them to do so. You're dreaming mate.
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Post by traks on Jan 19, 2021 21:56:42 GMT
SirSourpuss What idea exactly am I projecting on others when I say everything is/should be on the table, depending on what story BioWare wants to tell? I have only outlined what I expect - that it won't be Shepard as a PC, because I don't think they'll fix ME3 - not what I prefer or want. But I can and have said, that I'm open to anything as long as the story catches me. Also your ability to know what everyone else wants or should want or makes the most money or what everyone has done in Mass Effect amazes me. One: where do your 80% come from? The best I could find is this thread/result in the Mass Effect reddit: docs.google.com/forms/d/1u6dvZTxEuoaNUcJubqw3P8nqXKMbWp6YQ5BcN0Vmf-k/viewanalyticshttps://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/3bv39h/spoilers_poll_results_mass_effect_decision_survey/ Then, of these 50% to whatever (maybe 80) percent, I know of other destroyers like me, that are perfectly fine with Shepard's story being finished as long as ME3 doesn't get rewritten/remade or rebooted, which seems unrealistic at this point. How many? I don't, but I also don't claim to know. The only thing I may have concluded out of many discussions since 2012 was the strong attachment of players to their version of Shepard. I am pretty sure that this statement holds true, but of course will listen to anyone who thinks this isn't the case and a playable canon Shepard is a great idea instead. Two: who are all these major gaming outlets, that expect Shepard back? I see a lot of fans, youtubers and outlets being excited about returning to the Milky Way, but not too many really expecting Shepard back. Edit: regarding a character like Picard that stands his own in comparison to Kirk. A man can dream, right?
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Post by Little Bengel on Jan 19, 2021 22:29:11 GMT
Honestly, I think the most important clues to ME5's setting are the following:
-The Mass Relay and the defunct Reapers, which indicate it's set in the Milky Way.
-Liara, who is most likely a hint at when it's set.
-Potentially the background shot of Andromeda and the Ark 6 transmission, which could indicate a connection to Andromeda.
-Maybe the indistinct voices halfway through the teaser.
Everything else is just fancy window dressing.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jan 20, 2021 0:05:59 GMT
traksI don't see it working in Bioware's favour any other way. Ryder or New Protagonist™ won't generate interest, Liara won't carry the game on her own and it still has the drawback of being developed by Bioware, a company nobody believes in anymore. I don't believe they can deliver a Picard, I don't believe they can even deliver a Kevin Sorbo in Andromeda, to be honest. At best, I can believe them delivering a Dave Ryder.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 20, 2021 7:08:27 GMT
*snip* Forgot to say when the opening shot with both galaxies appears, meaning they might connect. It seems like ryder was flying from Andromeda to mw, showing us that we can travel faster than before, almost instantly. That's why we saw the ship arriving at the frozen planet, and then immediately we see liara. It's like a meeting of old (mass effect trilogy/liara) and new (Ryder/Andromeda), but also maybe for story purposes cause liara for sure will play a part here. So... instanteanous travel? That is getting into transdimensional mechanics and... Ugh... Timetravel. Don't tell me they are going to fix it by having all the Andromeda species unite with a galaxy wide armada...
-Its been done already.
Nor tell me that they then b-line for Earth using some fancy-dandy rail-gun Mass Relay...
-Which while cool wouldn't be long scale practical.
Furthermore if they have to slingshot toward Earth by heading around Sagitarius A-star...
-Like we all know bending time around a black hole reverses time.
So they arrive at Earth right before the Reapers arrive and start their war... "Hello everyone. This Alec Ryder with the Andromeda Initiative. We have come in force. Just stay still. We've got this." All of this just to undo Mass Effect 3 ending? I hope this it not what we get. We all got enough scars now just so Bioware will just add more? *snip* We will know more after the LE is out or on N7. Nathan liked my tweet about it so maybe after march 12th which the LE is rumored to be out (coincidence?) After a few days we have Andromeda's 4th anniversary. That will be a great time to show something... I feel like this is gonna be a big year for mass effect, that's why gamble said "it's gonna be one hell of a year", and that wasn't only for the games that are gonna release. They might surprise us, hopefully in a good way.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jan 20, 2021 10:49:35 GMT
I still didn't even watch it.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Jan 20, 2021 12:08:04 GMT
*snip* Forgot to say when the opening shot with both galaxies appears, meaning they might connect. It seems like ryder was flying from Andromeda to mw, showing us that we can travel faster than before, almost instantly. That's why we saw the ship arriving at the frozen planet, and then immediately we see liara. It's like a meeting of old (mass effect trilogy/liara) and new (Ryder/Andromeda), but also maybe for story purposes cause liara for sure will play a part here. So... instanteanous travel? That is getting into transdimensional mechanics and... ]Ugh... Timetravel. I said almost instantly. What took hundreds of years, might take hours. They can infuse reaper tech while they build relays on the mw, and rem tech in andromeda. You never know about timetravel but i don't think they'll go that far.
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