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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 20:21:56 GMT
I don’t get much of the hate towards Anderson. I don’t think that he’s that great of a character, but I don’t recall any reason to loathe him that much, unless the reason behind the hate is being forced to work with the Alliance again. Simple. Look at ME1. He mentions Shepard's visions. Come on Anderson, do you really believe the council will fall for that? And near the end, he has to ask Shepard about how to go about releasing the SR1. I'm surprised he doesn't ask Shepard to hold his hand while he goes to the little boy's room. In ME2, he and the circus calling itself Alliance thought Shepard was dead. Of course it didn't help they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. And as mentioned above, the guy tells Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. He never cared. Sure he says, I believe you, and all that crap, but words without action is just a bunch of hot air. Too bad there wasn't an interrupt to throw the clown off the balcony. Along comes ME3. As he's walking with Shepard, he tells Shepard that they just need help to find a way to stop the reapers. Another interrupt was needed for that. He's saying that yet he told Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. **** you Anderson. On top of that, he and the circus he serves with did nothing for the time Shepard is in lockup. So that's 2.5 years wasted. His plan on earth was pathetic at best. Lets have all the fleets head to earth, then deal with the hades cannons. He tops that by having the plan to destroy the destroyer to get to the beam. Why? What are you going to do if another reaper, or more than one reaper shows up? Just distract the destroyer long enough to get someone up the beam. Of course Shepard has to go where the resistance is the heaviest. After the destroyer is destroyed, he walks towards Shepard likes he's back on the block not moving like he has a purpose. Of course he had the perfect opportunity to get to the beam while the destroyer was firing in Shepard's direction. But that couldn't happen. He needed Shepard to go up the beam with him to have that touchy-feely scene. And finally the 'Who wants to commit suicide' beam run. After Shepard is shot, why isn't Anderson telling everyone to get to the beam because the reaper has flown away. Ooops. Only him and Shepard can go up there for the touchy-feely scene. One thing he is right about is getting as many as possible on the Citadel. The reason for that is because they have no idea where the beam will drop you off at, and having more people around would be much faster finding a way to open the arms. The other is they have no idea if they will run into any enemies or not. But again, that couldn't happen because there had to be the touchy-feely scene. I understand the reasons behind the negativity around Anderson. I don’t personally see how they’re enough to hate/loathe him, but fair enough.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 20:25:32 GMT
Simple. Look at ME1. He mentions Shepard's visions. Come on Anderson, do you really believe the council will fall for that? And near the end, he has to ask Shepard about how to go about releasing the SR1. I'm surprised he doesn't ask Shepard to hold his hand while he goes to the little boy's room. In ME2, he and the circus calling itself Alliance thought Shepard was dead. Of course it didn't help they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. And as mentioned above, the guy tells Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. He never cared. Sure he says, I believe you, and all that crap, but words without action is just a bunch of hot air. Too bad there wasn't an interrupt to throw the clown off the balcony. Along comes ME3. As he's walking with Shepard, he tells Shepard that they just need help to find a way to stop the reapers. Another interrupt was needed for that. He's saying that yet he told Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. **** you Anderson. On top of that, he and the circus he serves with did nothing for the time Shepard is in lockup. So that's 2.5 years wasted. His plan on earth was pathetic at best. Lets have all the fleets head to earth, then deal with the hades cannons. He tops that by having the plan to destroy the destroyer to get to the beam. Why? What are you going to do if another reaper, or more than one reaper shows up? Just distract the destroyer long enough to get someone up the beam. Of course Shepard has to go where the resistance is the heaviest. After the destroyer is destroyed, he walks towards Shepard likes he's back on the block not moving like he has a purpose. Of course he had the perfect opportunity to get to the beam while the destroyer was firing in Shepard's direction. But that couldn't happen. He needed Shepard to go up the beam with him to have that touchy-feely scene. And finally the 'Who wants to commit suicide' beam run. After Shepard is shot, why isn't Anderson telling everyone to get to the beam because the reaper has flown away. Ooops. Only him and Shepard can go up there for the touchy-feely scene. One thing he is right about is getting as many as possible on the Citadel. The reason for that is because they have no idea where the beam will drop you off at, and having more people around would be much faster finding a way to open the arms. The other is they have no idea if they will run into any enemies or not. But again, that couldn't happen because there had to be the touchy-feely scene. I understand the reasons behind the negativity around Anderson. I don’t personally see how they’re enough to hate/loathe him, but fair enough. Lol, who said anything about having him? I like him because he is everything that the Alliance is: incompetent, lazy douchebags. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 20:30:56 GMT
I understand the reasons behind the negativity around Anderson. I don’t personally see how they’re enough to hate/loathe him, but fair enough. Lol, who said anything about having him? I like him because he is everything that the Alliance is: incompetent, lazy douchebags. Some people appears to loathe/hate him. On incompetence, I think there’s plenty to go around in every major organization in the setting, to be honest. Shepard spent nearly as much time at fixing others’ messes then at stopping the Reapers. I guess you prefer the other major human organization in ME, but aside the Lazarus Project, Cerberus shown as much incompetence then the Alliance.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 20:34:17 GMT
Lol, who said anything about having him? I like him because he is everything that the Alliance is: incompetent, lazy douchebags. Some people appears to loathe/hate him. On incompetence, I think there’s plenty to go around in every major organization in the setting, to be honest. Shepard spent nearly as much time at fixing others’ messes then at stopping the Reapers. I guess you prefer the other major human organization in ME, but aside the Lazarus Project, Cerberus shown as much incompetence then the Alliance. If you got rid of TIM and replaced him with, let's say, Miranda Lawson, then Cerberus would have been a far better organisation then the xenos worshipping Alliance. |
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Post by themikefest on Feb 4, 2021 20:38:28 GMT
I guess you prefer the other major human organization in ME, but aside the Lazarus Project, Cerberus shown as much incompetence then the Alliance. At least with Cerberus they were making an effort to stop the collectors while the Alliance were doing a whole lot of nothing. Unfortunately Cerberus was turned into the keystone cops in ME3
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Post by mtheillusive on Feb 4, 2021 20:40:54 GMT
I don’t get much of the hate towards Anderson. I don’t think that he’s that great of a character, but I don’t recall any reason to loathe him that much, unless the reason behind the hate is being forced to work with the Alliance again. Simple. Look at ME1. He mentions Shepard's visions. Come on Anderson, do you really believe the council will fall for that? And near the end, he has to ask Shepard about how to go about releasing the SR1. I'm surprised he doesn't ask Shepard to hold his hand while he goes to the little boy's room. In ME2, he and the circus calling itself Alliance thought Shepard was dead. Of course it didn't help they made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. And as mentioned above, the guy tells Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. He never cared. Sure he says, I believe you, and all that crap, but words without action is just a bunch of hot air. Too bad there wasn't an interrupt to throw the clown off the balcony. Along comes ME3. As he's walking with Shepard, he tells Shepard that they just need help to find a way to stop the reapers. Another interrupt was needed for that. He's saying that yet he told Shepard it's up to him/her to stop the reapers. **** you Anderson. On top of that, he and the circus he serves with did nothing for the time Shepard is in lockup. So that's 2.5 years wasted. His plan on earth was pathetic at best. Lets have all the fleets head to earth, then deal with the hades cannons. He tops that by having the plan to destroy the destroyer to get to the beam. Why? What are you going to do if another reaper, or more than one reaper shows up? Just distract the destroyer long enough to get someone up the beam. Of course Shepard has to go where the resistance is the heaviest. After the destroyer is destroyed, he walks towards Shepard likes he's back on the block not moving like he has a purpose. Of course he had the perfect opportunity to get to the beam while the destroyer was firing in Shepard's direction. But that couldn't happen. He needed Shepard to go up the beam with him to have that touchy-feely scene. And finally the 'Who wants to commit suicide' beam run. After Shepard is shot, why isn't Anderson telling everyone to get to the beam because the reaper has flown away. Ooops. Only him and Shepard can go up there for the touchy-feely scene. One thing he is right about is getting as many as possible on the Citadel. The reason for that is because they have no idea where the beam will drop you off at, and having more people around would be much faster finding a way to open the arms. The other is they have no idea if they will run into any enemies or not. But again, that couldn't happen because there had to be the touchy-feely scene. If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have been assigned to the Normandy SR1 in the first place! And neither would Joker! If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have known who to talk to on the Citadel, and would have never become a Spectre! If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have a ship to find Saren! If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have been able to get off the Citadel with the fastest ship in the galaxy! If it wasn't for Anderson, depending on ME1, you wouldn't have gotten your Spectre status back! If it wasn't for Anderson, you'd be left to rot in a brig on Earth you Batarian star system blowing psychopath!, and then DEAD when the Reapers arrived! If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have been reinstated an gotten command of the Normandy AGAIN. If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have gotten a superfly 3 bedroom mega condo on the Citadel! FOR FREE! Maybe you want to go back to that little 1 bedroom studio on a desert planet? Assuming it even exists anymore... If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have had a chance to retake Earth in the first place! Hell, if it wasn't for Anderson, then your little Earth might have gotten wiped out by the Turians 29 years earlier!!! So ungrateful!  RESPECT YOUR ELDERS!!!
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 20:41:01 GMT
I guess you prefer the other major human organization in ME, but aside the Lazarus Project, Cerberus shown as much incompetence then the Alliance. At least with Cerberus they were making an effort to stop the collectors while the Alliance were doing a whole lot of nothing. Unfortunately Cerberus was turned into the keystone cops in ME3 The Alliance was too busy kissing the Council's backside to do much of anything I bet. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 20:42:30 GMT
Some people appears to loathe/hate him. On incompetence, I think there’s plenty to go around in every major organization in the setting, to be honest. Shepard spent nearly as much time at fixing others’ messes then at stopping the Reapers. I guess you prefer the other major human organization in ME, but aside the Lazarus Project, Cerberus shown as much incompetence then the Alliance. If you got rid of TIM and replaced him with, let's say, Miranda Lawson, then Cerberus would have been a far better organisation then the xenos worshipping Alliance. I do agree with you...but the same could be said if Miranda or Shepard got to lead the Alliance. It doesn’t change the fact that both organizations, as they stand in the games, shown a lot of incompetence. Thinking that they could be better with a different person in charge doesn’t change what they actually were in the trilogy. They’re in good company, though, as other shown the same level of incompetence. And the Alliance’s incompetence had little to do with them being more alien-friendly then Cerberus, truthfully. I don’t agree with your statement on them worshipping aliens. I mean, by your words you seem to regard Miranda highly, and she wasn’t against working with aliens, at all.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 20:46:43 GMT
I guess you prefer the other major human organization in ME, but aside the Lazarus Project, Cerberus shown as much incompetence then the Alliance. At least with Cerberus they were making an effort to stop the collectors while the Alliance were doing a whole lot of nothing. Unfortunately Cerberus was turned into the keystone cops in ME3 That’s a matter of laziness in regards of the Reaper threat, and the Alliance was certainly lazier then Cerberus. It doesn’t help at all when basically every project you work for protecting humans backfires, often spectacularly, and that went on even before ME2. Incompetence wise they’re on the same level. I definitely agree with your point about ME3. I did say back during ME3 development that it’d have been better to have the Alliance and Cerberus as opposite factions for Shepard to pick. At least, it’d have been better then what they became in ME3.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 20:48:11 GMT
If you got rid of TIM and replaced him with, let's say, Miranda Lawson, then Cerberus would have been a far better organisation then the xenos worshipping Alliance. I do agree with you...but the same could be said if Miranda or Shepard got to lead the Alliance. It doesn’t change the fact that both organizations, as they stand in the games, shown a lot of incompetence. Thinking that they could be better with a different person in charge doesn’t change what they actually were in the trilogy. They’re in good company, though, as other shown the same level of incompetence. And the Alliance’s incompetence had little to do with them being more alien-friendly then Cerberus, truthfully. I don’t agree with your statement on them worshipping aliens. I mean, by your words you seem to regard Miranda highly, and she wasn’t against working with aliens, at all. Not really, using her was just an example. If the Alliance wasn't a bunch of alien butt kissers then why did they weaken themselves? Only an idiot would have agreed to those treaties that they agreed to. And people wonder why I like the Imperium so much.... |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 20:55:00 GMT
I do agree with you...but the same could be said if Miranda or Shepard got to lead the Alliance. It doesn’t change the fact that both organizations, as they stand in the games, shown a lot of incompetence. Thinking that they could be better with a different person in charge doesn’t change what they actually were in the trilogy. They’re in good company, though, as other shown the same level of incompetence. And the Alliance’s incompetence had little to do with them being more alien-friendly then Cerberus, truthfully. I don’t agree with your statement on them worshipping aliens. I mean, by your words you seem to regard Miranda highly, and she wasn’t against working with aliens, at all. Not really, using her was just an example. If the Alliance wasn't a bunch of alien butt kissers then why did they weaken themselves? Only an idiot would have agreed to those treaties that they agreed to. And people wonder why I like the Imperium so much.... If they didn't agree to the treaties, humanity would've ended no better then the krogans. The gap with the turians was much wider then the one during the trilogy timeline, during the FCW, and I have no doubt that the Salarians would've intervened in the war, eventually, if humanity wouldn't have agreed to join the galactic community. Humanity would've been wiped out.
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Post by themikefest on Feb 4, 2021 20:57:43 GMT
If it wasn't for Anderson, you wouldn't have been assigned to the Normandy SR1 in the first place! And neither would Joker! I'm sure Hackett would have suggested to have Shepard Really? All Shepard would have to do is go to C-sec to find out where Garrus can be found. You mean if it wasn't for Udina telling Anderson he didn't want Anderson on the case because of whatever, Shepard wouldn't have the SR1 to use. Whippy do da. You want to impress me Anderson, tell me you made an effort to do something about finding a way to stop the reapers Hackett will step in to get Shepard back on the SR2. No big deal. Shepard has a nice cozy cabin on the SR2. You mean the apartment from the dlc. Wouldn't know since I never played it. Really? Coates would have stepped up to the plate to suggest a plan of action. From what I recall, if the council didn't step in things would have been different. Anderson had nothing to do with that.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 21:01:25 GMT
Not really, using her was just an example. If the Alliance wasn't a bunch of alien butt kissers then why did they weaken themselves? Only an idiot would have agreed to those treaties that they agreed to. And people wonder why I like the Imperium so much.... If they didn't agree to the treaties, humanity would've ended no better then the krogans. The gap with the turians was much wider then the one during the trilogy timeline, during the FCW, and I have no doubt that the Salarians would've intervened in the war, eventually, if humanity wouldn't have agreed to join the galactic community. Humanity would've been wiped out. But they don't know the location of Earth so how would they have wiped out humanity? Plus there's only one way that the turians can go into human space, so all you need to do is pull out all your troops from that colony, along with the civilians, rig up the mass relay with nukes and then detonate them once the turian main fleets arrive. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 21:09:56 GMT
If they didn't agree to the treaties, humanity would've ended no better then the krogans. The gap with the turians was much wider then the one during the trilogy timeline, during the FCW, and I have no doubt that the Salarians would've intervened in the war, eventually, if humanity wouldn't have agreed to join the galactic community. Humanity would've been wiped out. But they don't know the location of Earth so how would they have wiped out humanity? Plus there's only one way that the turians can go into human space, so all you need to do is pull out all your troops from that colony, along with the civilians, rig up the mass relay with nukes and then detonate them once the turian main fleets arrive. Destroying the Arcturus Relay doesn't seem like the best idea. If not, it's not like they'd have sent all of their ships in one group. I didn't mean wiped out, but I do think humanity would've lost that war. I think you're understimating how much of a gap there was in sheer numbers between the two. The ME setting isn't really built in a way where humanity could've became the strongest race in the galaxy, expecially without cooperating, at least at first, with the others. And certainly not before at least a century, if not more. And that's not because of the Alliance's incompetence in later games. We should rememeber that no race had a fast rise in the galactic stage during the Council era, then humanity. It's just that the gap is too wide in terms of time with the other major species.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 21:19:28 GMT
But they don't know the location of Earth so how would they have wiped out humanity? Plus there's only one way that the turians can go into human space, so all you need to do is pull out all your troops from that colony, along with the civilians, rig up the mass relay with nukes and then detonate them once the turian main fleets arrive. Destroying the Arcturus Relay doesn't seem like the best idea. If not, it's not like they'd have sent all of their ships in one group. I didn't mean wiped out, but I do think humanity would've lost that war. I think you're understimating how much of a gap there was in sheer numbers between the two. The ME setting isn't really built in a way where humanity could've became the strongest race in the galaxy, expecially without cooperating, at least at first, with the others. And certainly not before at least a century, if not more. And that's not because of the Alliance's incompetence in later games. We should rememeber that no race had a fast rise in the galactic stage during the Council era, then humanity. It's just that the gap is too wide in terms of time with the other major species. The only main military force that the Council races have is the turians (the asari and salarians are too weak for fighting in the front lines, just look at the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions). Weakening the turians would give you a win, since the other two hide behind them. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 21:30:32 GMT
Destroying the Arcturus Relay doesn't seem like the best idea. If not, it's not like they'd have sent all of their ships in one group. I didn't mean wiped out, but I do think humanity would've lost that war. I think you're understimating how much of a gap there was in sheer numbers between the two. The ME setting isn't really built in a way where humanity could've became the strongest race in the galaxy, expecially without cooperating, at least at first, with the others. And certainly not before at least a century, if not more. And that's not because of the Alliance's incompetence in later games. We should rememeber that no race had a fast rise in the galactic stage during the Council era, then humanity. It's just that the gap is too wide in terms of time with the other major species. The only main military force that the Council races have is the turians (the asari and salarians are too weak for fighting in the front lines, just look at the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions). Weakening the turians would give you a win, since the other two hide behind them. You're referring to two specific scenarios and wars, against troublesome opponents. Even the turians at their peak wouldn't have been able to defeat the Rachni as the Krogans did, because of the environments and planets the Rachni lived in. And the Krogans, in turns, are harder to defeat conventionally. Keep in mind that for stopping them for good, they needed the genophage. Asari and Salarians can definitely contribute in warzones, integrating the turians' main forces in different ways (salarians with espionage, and asari with biotics). That's without considering that they can obviously contribute in a massive way with their warships. I don't think howewer the asari would've joined the turians. Even if we consider the turians alone, though, the difference in numbers were too much at the time, both in terms of soldiers and ships. Even if you'd be right and the turians would've been weakened, that would've certainly triggered the salarians' response, if they didn't already decided to partecipate after a full out war was triggered between turians and humanity. And we're not considering the possibility of the batarians joining the fray to gain power or even a seat from the Council. It's fine if you believe otherwise and thing humanity would've prevailed in those circumstances, I just think otherwise.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 21:38:07 GMT
The only main military force that the Council races have is the turians (the asari and salarians are too weak for fighting in the front lines, just look at the Rachni Wars and the Krogan Rebellions). Weakening the turians would give you a win, since the other two hide behind them. You're referring to two specific scenarios and wars, against troublesome opponents. Even the turians at their peak wouldn't have been able to defeat the Rachni as the Krogans did, because of the environments and planets the Rachni lived in. And the Krogans, in turns, are harder to defeat conventionally. Keep in mind that for stopping them for good, they needed the genophage. Asari and Salarians can definitely contribute in warzones, integrating the turians' main forces in different ways (salarians with espionage, and asari with biotics). That's without considering that they can obviously contribute in a massive way with their warships. I don't think howewer the asari would've joined the turians. Even if we consider the turians alone, though, the difference in numbers were too much at the time, both in terms of soldiers and ships. Even if you'd be right and the turians would've been weakened, that would've certainly triggered the salarians' response, if they didn't already decided to partecipate after a full out war was triggered between turians and humanity. And we're not considering the possibility of the batarians joining the fray to gain power or even a seat from the Council. It's fine if you believe otherwise and thing humanity would've prevailed in those circumstances, I just think otherwise. If humans in the ME universe didn't use Mass Effect technology then they could have, easily. But since they didn't, the best bet would have been too use scotch and burn tactics too prevent the turians from getting to Earth. |
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Post by Radec on Feb 4, 2021 21:50:28 GMT
Humanity should've made it's own council and invite the volus, the elcor and the vorcha to it (client races, obviously)
Use the volus to tank the Council races economy (particularly the turian). Follow up with an invasion of vorcha shock troops riding elcor with thanix cannons and Cain turrets into battle, with human fleet fire support.
When you win, enslave the Council as punishment, and make them work the eezo mines. Take the beacon the asari are hiding and use it to build the crucible before the Reapers arrive. Fire the red beam eliminating them and any other potential synthetic rivals. Parley this great victory into political capital, ensuring the remaining races join your council, and the whole galaxy falls under your influence.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 21:53:35 GMT
Humanity should've made it's own council and invite the volus, the elcor and the vorcha to it (client races, obviously) Use the volus to tank the Council races economy (particularly the turian). Follow up with an invasion of vorcha shock troops riding elcor with thanix cannons and Cain turrets into battle, with human fleet fire support. When you win, enslave the Council as punishment, and make them work the eezo mines. Take the beacon the asari are hiding and use it to build the crucible before the Reapers arrive. Fire the red beam eliminating them and any other potential synthetic rivals. Parley this great victory into political capital, ensuring the remaining races join your council, and the whole galaxy falls under your influence. But not before using a version of the genophase on the turians, salarians and asari, making it impossible for them to regain their numbers to attack you again. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 4, 2021 22:04:33 GMT
Putting aside the fact that the volus, if I recall, were already a client race to the turians, and I honestly doubt they'd betrayed them, both in fear of retaliation and the fact that humanity was clearly less powerful then the turians at the time, or the fact that the Thanix cannon is derivated from Sovereign, I'd have to disagree overall with that scenario, for the simple fact that, again, I think you guys are overstimating the actual numbers of humanity compared to the turians, or the other races overall. As well as our technology level at the time. I doubt we'd be able to create something close to the genophage, for example, at the time.
It's far more likely the salarians would've developed a human version of the genophage and found a way to attack Earth, than that whole scenario. Even if humanity would want to form a second Council of species, it'd work infinitely better if they tried that approach AFTER getting deep inside the galactic community, with more chances to form ties with other species, then right away after First Contact.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 4, 2021 22:06:45 GMT
Humanity would never win a war against the Council, especially during the first contact time. To show how much more powerful the Titian’s were, just look how they call the First Contact War the Relay 314 Incident. They don’t even consider the trashing they gave us a war.
Add to that Salarian science and sabotage, and the Asari commandos (the best warriors in the galaxy according to all sides) and humanity wouldn’t stand a chance.
Plus the Batarians too, since they could see that as a chance to gain prestige.
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Post by Radec on Feb 4, 2021 22:09:01 GMT
Humanity should've made it's own council and invite the volus, the elcor and the vorcha to it (client races, obviously) Use the volus to tank the Council races economy (particularly the turian). Follow up with an invasion of vorcha shock troops riding elcor with thanix cannons and Cain turrets into battle, with human fleet fire support. When you win, enslave the Council as punishment, and make them work the eezo mines. Take the beacon the asari are hiding and use it to build the crucible before the Reapers arrive. Fire the red beam eliminating them and any other potential synthetic rivals. Parley this great victory into political capital, ensuring the remaining races join your council, and the whole galaxy falls under your influence. But not before using a version of the genophase on the turians, salarians and asari, making it impossible for them to regain their numbers to attack you again. I would rather use the biotic rich asari as starship fuel. Salarians could additionally be grown for food, overseen by Imperial Chef Javik the Great. |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 22:27:37 GMT
But not before using a version of the genophase on the turians, salarians and asari, making it impossible for them to regain their numbers to attack you again. I would rather use the biotic rich asari as starship fuel. Salarians could additionally be grown for food, overseen by Imperial Chef Javik the Great. And the turians are used for game hunting. 😈😆😈👍 |
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Post by Son of Dorn on Feb 4, 2021 22:31:10 GMT
Humanity would never win a war against the Council, especially during the first contact time. To show how much more powerful the Titian’s were, just look how they call the First Contact War the Relay 314 Incident. They don’t even consider the trashing they gave us a war. Add to that Salarian science and sabotage, and the Asari commandos (the best warriors in the galaxy according to all sides) and humanity wouldn’t stand a chance. Plus the Batarians too, since they could see that as a chance to gain prestige. Asari commandoes? The best in the galaxy? Good one!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by michaeln7 on Feb 4, 2021 22:32:45 GMT
Humanity would never win a war against the Council, especially during the first contact time. To show how much more powerful the Titian’s were, just look how they call the First Contact War the Relay 314 Incident. They don’t even consider the trashing they gave us a war. Add to that Salarian science and sabotage, and the Asari commandos (the best warriors in the galaxy according to all sides) and humanity wouldn’t stand a chance. Plus the Batarians too, since they could see that as a chance to gain prestige. Very true. But I do think it's worth pointing out that humanity invented aircraft-carriers-in-space, effectively bypassing the dreadnought limitations. In RL terms, it's why battleships are (relatively) obsolete. The massive guns can't hit the fast, single-man strike craft, but any bomber worth their wings can sink the battleship in one good run. Plus, only about 2% of humans are Alliance military; what if the Alliance went total-war? I'm certain that if it were the Alliance vs everyone else, we'd lose badly. But the amount of damage inflicted wouldn't be worth the cost, in that the Alliance could wreck enough of the galaxy to make such a conflict a mutual loss for everyone. Yes, we'd get the short end of that charred stick, but still... |
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