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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 6, 2023 10:13:18 GMT
Rook could be what the PC is known by? DA:O was Warden, DA2 was Hawk, DA:I Herald and DA:D could very well be Rook? The problem I have with this as a name is that unless a very tenuous connection with the game of chess, there is no real relevance to it. The Warden was a Grey Warden; Hawke was their family name; the Herald is what people started calling us from the very beginning because they thought we were part of an old prophesy about the return of Andraste. Unless they are returning to having only one race/background for the PC, Rook cannot be their family name. Since we are meant to be someone "they never see coming", I would have thought a name symbolic with being an unseen/unexpected assailant would be more appropriate as our code name than simply "Rook". May be a Latin name because we originated in Tevinter. Arcanus means mysterious, so that would work and sounds a lot better than Rook, or Quaesitor, meaning Seeker. Or since we are likely to be searching/hunting for Solas, how about simply Hunter?
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Post by mattjamho on Feb 6, 2023 10:32:43 GMT
Since weisshaupt appears to be in the midst of a full on siege from darkspawn i suppose the survivors might have to flee the keep to Tevinter. I'll be very interested to know if the darkspawn are acting on behalf of an archdemon, a sidereel magister, Solas, or something else.
I hope Davrin is a veteran. We got newbies in dao/a and a fake in dai (oh and i guess a deserter too in Anders, forgot about him). So an experienced grey warden would be most interesting to me now, particularly one privy to weisshaupts secrets since they might other wise be lost in it's destruction if the grey wardens don't successfully repell it. Agreed. I'm playing through DAI again, and taking Blackwall through any warden/darkspawn related quests feels pointless since any comments he has are all so empty. 'How many darkspawn can we expect, Blackwall?' 'Hmm, hard to say' If we do get a real Warden companion, I'd like them to occasionally call out if they sense darkspawn nearby in gameplay, it'd be some neat immersion.
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Post by Pon.ee on Feb 6, 2023 11:30:37 GMT
Rook could be what the PC is known by? DA:O was Warden, DA2 was Hawk, DA:I Herald and DA:D could very well be Rook? The problem I have with this as a name is that unless a very tenuous connection with the game of chess, there is no real relevance to it. The Warden was a Grey Warden; Hawke was their family name; the Herald is what people started calling us from the very beginning because they thought we were part of an old prophesy about the return of Andraste. Unless they are returning to having only one race/background for the PC, Rook cannot be their family name. Since we are meant to be someone "they never see coming", I would have thought a name symbolic with being an unseen/unexpected assailant would be more appropriate as our code name than simply "Rook". May be a Latin name because we originated in Tevinter. Arcanus means mysterious, so that would work and sounds a lot better than Rook, or Quaesitor, meaning Seeker. Or since we are likely to be searching/hunting for Solas, how about simply Hunter? Maybe it's short for Rookie since we're an unknown ? Could be a code name like Leliana gave to all her agents; Charter for example. It was just a thought, I like to try and consider all angles for funsies. For all we know its an NPC we know for 10 minutes.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 16:13:28 GMT
I hope Davrin is a veteran. We got newbies in dao/a and a fake in dai (oh and i guess a deserter too in Anders, forgot about him). So an experienced grey warden would be most interesting to me now, particularly one privy to weisshaupts secrets since they might other wise be lost in it's destruction if the grey wardens don't successfully repell it. Well with the one of two known Davrin dialogues its safe to assume that he isn´t a deserter like Anders. Also we already have to many recruits already. Another fake ok why again? So the only interesting story left for new grey warden companion is him in his prime. I can imagine that went with Davrin especially after Rainiers romanticized version of a fake Grey Warden. Why not another Duncan in tone? Davrin could be interesting but its bother me a bit that he is another Shield guy after Alistair and Rainier. I would prefer a Grey Warden Archer for some variety.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 6, 2023 17:02:29 GMT
Do we really need to use "Spoiler" when talking about Davrin, since he has been around since 2020 Behind the Scenes video. I think there is no doubt if he is confirmed as a companion, he will be an honest to goodness genuine Grey Warden. Remember his speech in the extract from 2020 was "Nobody dies on my watch. For the Wardens!". At the time I imagined it accompanying that image of a Grey Warden protecting a woman and child from dragon fire. Hmm, the latest leak had a dragon attacking the Keep as well as darkspawn. Could that be connected in any way with that earlier concept art? It also seemed that the Grey Wardens were going to feature from this image that was released later on. 
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 6, 2023 17:10:56 GMT
Do we really need to use "Spoiler" when talking about Davrin, since he has been around since 2020 Behind the Scenes video. I think there is no doubt if he is confirmed as a companion This is a question for a mod. But you are not wrong Davrin should surprise no one. He is similiar to Cassandra who shocked nobody. What Cassandra is a DAI companion i didn´t see that coming!
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Post by Pon.ee on Feb 6, 2023 19:07:28 GMT
I wonder if whatever that big ass warden door is not going to hold is related to anything in The Horror's of Hormak? 
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Post by warden on Feb 6, 2023 21:11:05 GMT
Do we really need to use "Spoiler" when talking about Davrin, since he has been around since 2020 Behind the Scenes video. I think there is no doubt if he is confirmed as a companion, he will be an honest to goodness genuine Grey Warden. Remember his speech in the extract from 2020 was "Nobody dies on my watch. For the Wardens!". At the time I imagined it accompanying that image of a Grey Warden protecting a woman and child from dragon fire. Hmm, the latest leak had a dragon attacking the Keep as well as darkspawn. Could that be connected in any way with that earlier concept art? It also seemed that the Grey Wardens were going to feature from this image that was released later on.  Cool armor, I remember it appeared in old trailers from DAO, would be nice if it got repurposed, perhaps they use them on the Anderfels.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 7, 2023 8:47:40 GMT
I wonder if whatever that big ass warden door is not going to hold is related to anything in The Horror's of Hormak? I don't know about the one in the leak but there is was one in the concept art that I thought might be. I'd assumed it was more likely associated with the Deep Roads or Kal-Sharok but may be it is connected with Weisshaupt in some way. Did the Grey Wardens actually build Weisshaupt or did they just occupy and re-purpose some much older structure? According to WoT, the order was founded at Fortress Weisshaupt, so it sounds like it was already an outpost of the Tevinter Imperium and the Wardens just took it over. That being the case, Tevinter built a lot of their structures on the top of old elven foundations and ruins, so it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that something very old and evil was underneath them just waiting to be released.  The article also suggested some sort of major incident had occurred which meant the backdrop would later be developed to show something like the Breach. When this concept art was released, it was speculated at the time that some sort of rift had occurred in the Veil at Grey Warden HQ. If the leak material makes it into the final game, this could be the case. 
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Post by Pon.ee on Feb 7, 2023 13:26:01 GMT
I wonder if whatever that big ass warden door is not going to hold is related to anything in The Horror's of Hormak? I don't know about the one in the leak but there is was one in the concept art that I thought might be. I'd assumed it was more likely associated with the Deep Roads or Kal-Sharok but may be it is connected with Weisshaupt in some way. Did the Grey Wardens actually build Weisshaupt or did they just occupy and re-purpose some much older structure? According to WoT, the order was founded at Fortress Weisshaupt, so it sounds like it was already an outpost of the Tevinter Imperium and the Wardens just took it over. That being the case, Tevinter built a lot of their structures on the top of old elven foundations and ruins, so it is not beyond the bounds of possibility that something very old and evil was underneath them just waiting to be released. snip The article also suggested some sort of major incident had occurred which meant the backdrop would later be developed to show something like the Breach. When this concept art was released, it was speculated at the time that some sort of rift had occurred in the Veil at Grey Warden HQ. If the leak material makes it into the final game, this could be the case. snip With how focused the Grey Warden plot in DAI was on demons and how inherently tied to that the breach is I'm hoping we get a little more deep roads and Darkspawn action from them this time around. A lot of concept art tends to be to try and feel out the game and isn't always directly related to plot so I'm hoping if there are any veil tears in DAD it's not a rinse and repeat of DAI. We already did the Grey Wardens barricaded in a fortress with demons and a dragon it'd be a bit lame to do it again. I am however incredibly bias, I wasn't the biggest on the deep roads and darkspawn in the first 2 games but The Descent is probably my favourite DA content to date and there's all that unused potential with the harvesters in the Golems of Amgarak. It really put scale and awe into what the deep roads actually are which I hadn't felt before and I really hope the Grey Wardens get to take me there again. On a side note if your Warden died killing the Archdemon and isn't a Dwarf they get a fancy coffin in Weisshaupt next to Garahel so it'd be neat to see a reference to it if that is your world state.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Feb 7, 2023 22:37:10 GMT
I wonder if the Red Lyrium Darkspawn Attack is there also enough for another grey warden topic well the civil war or is this not longer a problem between Weisshaupt and Orlais? Also how many known characters aka grey warden will be meet at Weisshaupt again? I don´t think that those from Last Flight count so maybe 1 or 2? I would love to see Nathaniel Howe again and maybe Merin  (i know this has been cut, this quest is pretty obscure because its the quest for dead Nathaniel and Merin could also be dead and let´s face most players and also Bioware have already forgotten that he exists, but still it be a cool surprise)
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Post by helios969 on Feb 8, 2023 6:51:13 GMT
I'll go with Qunari since I have no recollection of examples of Qunari Grey Wardens.
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Post by thecommandershepard on Feb 8, 2023 7:58:23 GMT
I hope they won't involve an archdemon in this game where there is already an established main villain/antagonist, i.e. Solas. Archdemon and resulting from it blights are big enough of a threat to fill a plot of entire game and make it a focus of it. Dealing with an extremely powerful maniac mage trying to blow up the world, the Qunari invasion, and blight at the same time seems like too much to handle within a single game, and those are not issues that should be easily hand-waved and dealt with in one or two main quests by the protagonist.
Albeit, the return of The Seeker could be interesting, as we never encounter, catch, or kill him. That's unless he is one of those awakened darkspawn that gray wardens supposedly caught after the darkspawn civil war.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 8, 2023 8:52:15 GMT
I hope they won't involve an archdemon in this game where there is already an established main villain/antagonist, i.e. Solas. Archdemon and resulting from it blights are big enough of a threat to fill a plot of entire game and make it a focus of it. Even so, the 2020 trailer did make a point of saying our foes would include "Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Dread Wolf", so even if it isn't an actual Blight, they did seem to be planning on making darkspawn a feature of the game, whilst the Qunari didn't even merit a mention. Of course, when you going for alliteration for effect, as they appeared to be in that phrase, the Qunari don't fit the theme but, even so, it didn't look as though the Qunari were going to be one of the main threats we were going to be faced with, whilst red lyrium has featured a lot in associated media,concept art and the animation from 2020 and now the darkspawn seem to have been powered up with it.
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Post by thecommandershepard on Feb 8, 2023 12:55:34 GMT
I hope they won't involve an archdemon in this game where there is already an established main villain/antagonist, i.e. Solas. Archdemon and resulting from it blights are big enough of a threat to fill a plot of entire game and make it a focus of it. Even so, the 2020 trailer did make a point of saying our foes would include "Demons, dragons, darkspawn, even the Dread Wolf", so even if it isn't an actual Blight, they did seem to be planning on making darkspawn a feature of the game, whilst the Qunari didn't even merit a mention. Of course, when you going for alliteration for effect, as they appeared to be in that phrase, the Qunari don't fit the theme but, even so, it didn't look as though the Qunari were going to be one of the main threats we were going to be faced with, whilst red lyrium has featured a lot in associated media,concept art and the animation from 2020 and now the darkspawn seem to have been powered up with it. Facing demons, dragons and darksapwn as enemies in itself is not an issue to me. We were fighting demons, darkspawn, and dragons in every single main game. Naturally, because the games were set outside of the blight, we only encountered darkspawn under very specific conditions, and they were far less dangerous than blights.Considering that what we faced could be reasonably allocated to a relatively small segment of the overall game, rather than the entire game like DAO, I'm not sure how they'll deal with Qunari, given that it appears they invaded at least two countries, if I'm not mistaken. It would be difficult to sweep them under the rug (unless it is resolved, only a temporary alliance will be formed to take down Solas), and Qunari on their own are a threat worthy of a book or game plot (with time skips likely required). Having said that, I'm not sure Qunari War fits as the main plot for a game in this franchise. It would be much more down to earth in terms of conflict and plot, more like the second act of DA 2, as opposed to some ancient evil or threat threatening the entire world.
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Post by gervaise21 on Feb 8, 2023 13:31:34 GMT
I'm not sure how they'll deal with Qunari, given that it appears they invaded at least two countries, if I'm not mistaken. It would be difficult to sweep them under the rug (unless it is resolved, only a temporary alliance will be formed to take down Solas), and Qunari on their own are a threat worthy of a book or game plot (with time skips likely required). I think we are most likely to encounter them if we go to Antiva City, as according to the latest short story they were working their way down the coast, or possibly in Arlathan Forest, as they have been shown to be active there in both comics and short stories. However, aside from perhaps brokering a temporary truce, I think it may be something going on in the background that is taking the attention of rulers and other people in charge, but we do not get involved in directly because we have a bigger problem to solve. I'm not sure Qunari War fits as the main plot for a game in this franchise. It would be much more down to earth in terms of conflict and plot, more like the second act of DA 2, as opposed to some ancient evil or threat threatening the entire world. As you say, likely a problem for people at a local level and may prevent them from helping us but it is not something we have to deal with, unless they cross paths with us and actively get in the way of our mission. It is entirely possible we could recruit companions from both sides because of the knowledge needed to deal with Solas and there is a degree of tension in the party as a result but they will learn to put aside their differences for the greater good of saving the world.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Feb 8, 2023 23:39:11 GMT
I've updated the poll to reflect the change of tone since we now have Red Lyrium invading Weisshaupt. I wonder how this will play in during the course of the game for the First Warden He was well aware of Red Lyrium pools by the time of DA2, holy hell, could there be a connection between him and it?
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