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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 21:31:22 GMT
I meant strictly in regards of the protagonist’s choice. Being disappointed by a new protagonist doesn’t mean the game won’t be interesting to them, or at least to a part of them. And there are people that want a new protagonist. I think the reaction will be more negative from the Shepard crowd, because the trailer gave a clear impression on the protagonist, whether it’s true or not. Assume we get a new protagonist, what is the hook? Because Mass Effect doesn't sell that well anymore and I think we'll see more of that with the LE soon enough. The LE is not a Day 1 purchase type of game. Maybe, some time down the line, for Anthem level price tag. It once could have been the greatest new Sci-Fi franchise, since Star Trek. Bigger than Star Trek. Now, you can rebuild it and you can start with ME5, but Bioware and EA will need to take consecutive hits to build it up, from scratch, with a new protagonist. You would be alienating two crowds, that have been keeping the franchise alive, in some form, in the years in between, to start from nothing. And you would have to absolutely nail this new protagonist and their supporting crew. Nothing like the DA:I/ME:A reception of characters. You'd need to hit it at ME2 levels of acceptance, right off the bat. At this point, Bioware would be better off with a new franchise. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 21:32:37 GMT
Yeah and if they strung along people will "definitely get them money". There's still merchandise and the remaster in between. Try making money out of those, after you literally kill your fanbase off entirely. |
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 21:36:19 GMT
I meant strictly in regards of the protagonist’s choice. Being disappointed by a new protagonist doesn’t mean the game won’t be interesting to them, or at least to a part of them. And there are people that want a new protagonist. I think the reaction will be more negative from the Shepard crowd, because the trailer gave a clear impression on the protagonist, whether it’s true or not. Assume we get a new protagonist, what’s the hook? Because Mass Effect doesn't sell that well anymore and I think we'll see more of that with the LE soon enough. The LE is not a Day 1 purchase type of game. Maybe, some time down the line, for Anthem level price tag. It once could have been the greatest new Sci-Fi franchise, since Star Trek. Bigger than Star Trek. Now, you can rebuild it and you can start with ME5, but Bioware and EA will need to take consecutive hits to build it up, from scratch, with a new protagonist. You would be alienating two crowds, that have been keeping the franchise alive, in some form, in the years in between, to start from nothing. And you would have to absolutely nail this new protagonist and their supporting crew. Nothing like the DA:I/ME:A reception of characters. You'd need to hit it at ME2 levels of acceptance, right off the bat. At this point, Bioware would be better off with a new franchise. I’m not saying that a new protagonist is the best choice. I’m saying that I think it’s the most likely outcome. It’s definitely going to make the it harder for them to succeed, in my opinion. I also think, however, that if the game is good, it’s going to have success, even if moderate. We could debate on Bioware’s ability to deliver a good, and complete, game, but that’s another issue.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 21:43:58 GMT
in my opinion. I also think, however, that if the game is good, it’s going to have success, even if moderate The next two games, if good, will not be RoI monsters. They can hope for breaking even with the first one, at best and from there, getting it to grow a little, by the second one. But the third one, will need to pay big time. If they don't hit those milestones, if they miss even one, it's done. Basically, they are at pre-ME1 levels of popularity, if they start with a new protagonist and crew. It may as well be a new franchise, as Andromeda should have been. |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2021 21:44:07 GMT
They will be forced to, to subset whatever other bad news they will have come up in the meantime and to stay relevant in the industry that has rapidly left them behind. Is anyone going to argue that Bioware is still the same strong brand name it was 10 years ago? My point is that releasing a teaser for a game and not showing it again for two-three years, is dumb. While the initial reaction might be positive, as it was for NME, it’ll turn to negativity once months pass. I don’t see how they remain relevant this way. On the surface this does seem fairly logical however I find that it really does not bare out to be too much truth. Just look at what happens whenever a new trailer drops around here and similar things happen in other parts of the net. So it seems patience is a virtue.
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 24, 2021 21:46:25 GMT
I'm very confident Ryder will remain as protagonist in next ME game.
Also this discussion implies Cavill will VA new protagonist, which will cause a big issue. Why? Because of female protagonist. Like if they go promote Cavill a lot, they'll need an equivalent woman actor to share the same spotlight or it's gonna cause issues.
If Cavill is doing VA for NME, he will voice some major character or even a squadmate. But not a new protagonist. In general BioWare never used a big star power to voice their protagonist. Hell the biggest acting star to be a squadmate is Keith David, when Anderson was temporary squadmate in ME3.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 24, 2021 21:49:41 GMT
I'm very confident Ryder will remain as protagonist in next ME game. Also this discussion implies Cavill will VA new protagonist, which will cause a big issue. Why? Because of female protagonist. Like if they go promote Cavill a lot, they'll need an equivalent woman actor to share the same spotlight or it's gonna cause issues. If Cavill is doing VA for NME, he will voice some major character or even a squadmate. But not a new protagonist. In general BioWare never used a big star power to voice their protagonist. Hell the biggest acting star to be a squadmate is Keith David, when Anderson was temporary squadmate in ME3. Wish I had your confidence. As for Cavill being a VA for a game, if that's what this is then I agree I see him being more of an Anderson/Hackett/TIM character than the protagonist (could only imagine how much that would cost) or even a squadmate/member of the crew.
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Post by LogicGunn on Feb 24, 2021 21:57:41 GMT
I don't care what kind of project HC is doing within the ME world, I have faith that he'll be brilliant. I was all set to ignore The WItcher TV show but he made an excellent Geralt. If he brings his A-game to the project I'm sure he'll rock his part.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 21:59:37 GMT
My point is that releasing a teaser for a game and not showing it again for two-three years, is dumb. While the initial reaction might be positive, as it was for NME, it’ll turn to negativity once months pass. I don’t see how they remain relevant this way. Depends. Are they relevant today? Right now? Were they called out for revealing DA4 too early? Are they being called out for revealing ME5 too early? It's just a repeat of the same beats. |
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Feb 24, 2021 22:00:00 GMT
I'm very confident Ryder will remain as protagonist in next ME game. Also this discussion implies Cavill will VA new protagonist, which will cause a big issue. Why? Because of female protagonist. Like if they go promote Cavill a lot, they'll need an equivalent woman actor to share the same spotlight or it's gonna cause issues. If Cavill is doing VA for NME, he will voice some major character or even a squadmate. But not a new protagonist. In general BioWare never used a big star power to voice their protagonist. Hell the biggest acting star to be a squadmate is Keith David, when Anderson was temporary squadmate in ME3. I hope so to be ryder after the bad Anthem news. I'm kinda nervous though about Henry Cavill cause if he's playing the pc I'm not gonna be interested. He could be a villain. It seems though it might be a movie or series(?) There's Sony's state of play tomorrow. Maybe we'll might see something about the nme but i doubt it... |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2021 22:03:03 GMT
I'm very confident Ryder will remain as protagonist in next ME game. Also this discussion implies Cavill will VA new protagonist, which will cause a big issue. Why? Because of female protagonist. Like if they go promote Cavill a lot, they'll need an equivalent woman actor to share the same spotlight or it's gonna cause issues. If Cavill is doing VA for NME, he will voice some major character or even a squadmate. But not a new protagonist. In general BioWare never used a big star power to voice their protagonist. Hell the biggest acting star to be a squadmate is Keith David, when Anderson was temporary squadmate in ME3. You forget Steve Blum, Natalie Doermer and Martin Sheen. Even Jennifer Hale has a lot of star power so it wouldn't be unprecedented. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 22:03:14 GMT
There's Sony's state of play tomorrow. Maybe we'll might see something about the nme but i doubt it... I wouldn't hold my breath. If there is, I would be surprised. There's really no reason for something to be there. Maybe LE stuff? But even that is ... when is LE getting released again? April? |
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Post by JokeDealer on Feb 24, 2021 22:03:55 GMT
I don't think this is going to be for a tv show or movie. If it is, I sincerely hope for a series instead of a movie. That being said, I think Henry Cavill is probably prepping for having some kind of prominent role in the next Mass Effect game. The man is an unabashed gamer and nerd, so I can see Bioware upping the ante and reaching out to him and offering him the chance to be a part of whatever the next game is. A video game would make things a lot more accommodating of his other ongoing projects, as mocap or voiceover don't require him to change his image or necessarily be in the same room as his co-stars, which means there would be minimal interference with his other projects.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Feb 24, 2021 22:05:19 GMT
There's Sony's state of play tomorrow. Maybe we'll might see something about the nme but i doubt it... I wouldn't hold my breath. If there is, I would be surprised. There's really no reason for something to be there. Maybe LE stuff? But even that is ... when is LE getting released again? April? May 14th. Most likely it is for ea play tho show something but you never know. |
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Feb 24, 2021 22:06:21 GMT
seeing as the 'script' mentions Tali...who's a quarian... male Quarian squad-mate voiced by Cavill?  I mean...I'd love to have some more diverse squad members next time around we got a female Turian in MEA...now I just want a female Krogan squaddie (Kesh wasn't that bad imo. but she wasn't a squaddie), male quarian or any other alien that isn't Asari, a female pilot (unless we get Kallo back, he was pretty cool) and a male ship doctor (Lexi wasn't bad, but I would've loved it if Harry had been our doc) |
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Post by Croatsky on Feb 24, 2021 22:08:58 GMT
I'm very confident Ryder will remain as protagonist in next ME game. Also this discussion implies Cavill will VA new protagonist, which will cause a big issue. Why? Because of female protagonist. Like if they go promote Cavill a lot, they'll need an equivalent woman actor to share the same spotlight or it's gonna cause issues. If Cavill is doing VA for NME, he will voice some major character or even a squadmate. But not a new protagonist. In general BioWare never used a big star power to voice their protagonist. Hell the biggest acting star to be a squadmate is Keith David, when Anderson was temporary squadmate in ME3. You forget Steve Blum, Natalie Doermer and Martin Sheen. Even Jennifer Hale has a lot of star power so it wouldn't be unprecedented. I did not say Mass Effect didn't have big star actors, but both Natalie and Martin were not playing either PC or squadmate. And while Steve and Jennifer are well known stars within voice acting scene, I wouldn't put them on same fame as Natalie, Martin or Keith.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 22:09:12 GMT
seeing as the 'script' mentions Tali...who's a quarian... male Quarian squad-mate voiced by Cavill? Probably the motion capture. He has the butt. |
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2021 22:10:12 GMT
Maybe he is going to voice a younger illusive man? Voice/ play?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 22:10:18 GMT
May 14th. Most likely it is for ea play tho show something but you never know. Isn't EA Play in late June/early July? |
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Feb 24, 2021 22:11:07 GMT
May 14th. Most likely it is for ea play tho show something but you never know. Isn't EA Play in late June/early July? I think it's early june. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 22:12:44 GMT
Maybe he is going to voice a younger illusive man? Voice/ play? You can make him look like TIM's age. And while you could, because TIM's role is sufficiently big/short enough to fit into Henry's schedule, would you really waste Henry for that, instead of making him the star of your show? Plus, all the nude scenes you can get him in, as Shepard. It is what the female audience wants to see.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 24, 2021 22:16:08 GMT
Yeah, if Cavill’s tease is about a ME tv show or movie, I have little doubt he’d play Shepard.
Unless they’d create a character from scratch just for him to play, which I personally doubt.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 24, 2021 22:16:59 GMT
Maybe he is going to voice a younger illusive man? Voice/ play? You can make him look like TIM's age. And while you could, because TIM's role is sufficiently big/short enough to fit into Henry's schedule, would you really waste Henry for that, instead of making him the star of your show? Plus, all the nude scenes you can get him in, as Shepard. It is what the female audience wants to see. no i agree with Croatsky at least as far as the game is concerned...Cavill wouldn't make a great star. Now live action he'd make both a terrific TIM or Shepard. Or an entirely new protag if its an original story. |
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Post by SirSourpuss on Feb 24, 2021 22:21:28 GMT
no i agree with Croatsky at least as far as the game is concerned...Cavill wouldn't make a great star. Now live action he'd make both a terrific TIM or Shepard. Or an entirely new protag if its an original story. I don't think it'd be a video game. Honestly, a show or movie would be a best bet.
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