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Post by Heimdall on Mar 12, 2021 13:53:49 GMT
Flexing my flycam skills on this one!
Honestly the story of Kal Repartha was one of the cooler bits of background lore in Inquisition to me.
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Post by parsival on Mar 17, 2021 9:56:29 GMT
Uncovering the history of that Thaig was a very atmospheric process, I agree - the mournful desert and haunting music were very memorable. How do the construction of the Thaig and the Elder One's timeline align, I wonder? Corypheus was obviously looking for the secret of this wonder weapon of Fairel - was he aware of its rumoured existence before he entered the fade?
Anyway, thanks for another interesting episode. Often watching them I find my own yearning for more Dragon Age games increase - at least I have my own pen-and-paper RPG campaign to keep me going through the drought!
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Post by telanadas on Mar 17, 2021 12:40:33 GMT
How do the construction of the Thaig and the Elder One's timeline align, I wonder? I think I recall there was evidence the thaig was built before the first blight. I honestly got the impression that entire area was as old as the ancient elves, because there is a golden Mythal statue overlooking Fairel's tomb. It makes me wonder if 'the place where we may meet in peace' meant the the thaig was built to foster a relationship between dwarves and the creatures/people on the surface. Humans maybe??? I remember in DAO the elves were also described as running away from something underground based on the arcane warrior's memories.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 17, 2021 20:04:39 GMT
Corypheus was obviously looking for the secret of this wonder weapon of Fairel - was he aware of its rumoured existence before he entered the fade? Well if Fariel only left for the surface around 100 years before the 1st Blight then it would be in recent enough history that Corypheus might have heard of it when he was a priest of Dumat. After all he was familiar with the Deep Roads before the Blight as he mentions that in his ramblings after Hawke frees him in Legacy. I wonder if there was any connection between Fariel's weapons and the later darkspawn? After all they apparently had the knowledge to create weapons and we fight one of their weapon masters in DAO but where did they learn how to do this? Did one of the fallen Magisters teach them? Fariel's family was clearly one that dated back to ancient times because of their verse about fearing the urtok (dragons) which is connected with their coat of arms. So was his gift of rune crafting handed down from ancient times as well? It is also interesting that the dwarf whose journal we find in the Hissing Wastes suggests that the Shaperate records may have been tampered with to conceal the truth about Fariel as they recorded he died in the war caused by his weapons, not went into exile. Now Valta suggests that the Memories may have been altered to conceal history in the Descent. It does seem odd that since the memories are preserved in stone then they ought to survive down the years and yet they have no record of the titans or the period when Mythal was controlling the Deep Roads. So were they not keeping records then or were those records erased? If so, by whom?
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 17, 2021 20:06:03 GMT
How do the construction of the Thaig and the Elder One's timeline align, I wonder? I think I recall there was evidence the thaig was built before the first blight. I honestly got the impression that entire area was as old as the ancient elves, because there is a golden Mythal statue overlooking Fairel's tomb. It makes me wonder if 'the place where we may meet in peace' meant the the thaig was built to foster a relationship between dwarves and the creatures/people on the surface. Humans maybe??? I remember in DAO the elves were also described as running away from something underground based on the arcane warrior's memories. There’s a note from a dwarf who was looking at the area before the Inquisition arrived who determines by linguistic analysis that they dated from at least 100 years before the First Blight. Exactly when is unclear though. I personally got the impression this could have been after the Capital was moved to Orzammar, but it’s hard to tell. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Landmarks_in_the_Wastes#The_Four_Pillars
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 17, 2021 20:32:47 GMT
It does seem odd that since the memories are preserved in stone then they ought to survive down the years and yet they have no record of the titans or the period when Mythal was controlling the Deep Roads. So were they not keeping records then or were those records erased? If so, by whom? The most important records are recorded in “The Wall of Memories”, in lyrium. This process apparently involves creating lyrium runes that record the actual thoughts of the Shapers who make them. dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_Dwarven_RunecraftConceivably, these could be modified or falsified by later Shapers I would guess. It’s possible that some of the most ancient records were kept in Kal-Sharok, the ancient capital, and lost to the dwarves of Orzammar during the First Blight. However, there definitely seems to have been a cover up at some point. It seems like the dwarves chose to hide knowledge of the Titans. My tenuous scenario: at some point after the Evanuris left the Deep Roads (I’m not sure if they did before the Veil dropped), the dwarves as a group endeavored to prevent the Titans from ever being corrupted or harmed again. The most fanatical of these became the Sha-Brytol, with their obsession with purity. Presumably whatever Mythal did weakened their connection to the Titans somehow, so they tried to strengthen that connection by consuming lyrium and prevented themselves from becoming rock wraiths by sealing themselves in special armor. Maybe it makes them immortal and prevents aging, I speculate. Meanwhile, the other dwarves purged their records of direct references to the Titans. It should be said that the dwarven belief system bears some resemblance to the Sha-Brytol, there’s a great concern about maintaining the purity and strength of the Stone, as well as maintaining one’s connection to it (ie fear of losing stone sense by spending time on the surface). There’s also the idea of the “gangue”, purifying the stone by literally purging it of spiritual influence. My theory is that dwarven culture is built upon an echo of the same concerns of purity and protection that drive the Sha-Brytol. I don’t have a way to tie this back to Kal Repartha 🤷♂️
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 17, 2021 21:07:08 GMT
Conceivably, these could be modified or falsified by later Shapers I would guess. It’s possible that some of the most ancient records were kept in Kal-Sharok, the ancient capital, and lost to the dwarves of Orzammar during the First Blight. With any luck we shall find out if that is what happened in the next game, assuming we do go to Kal-Sharok or have a dwarf from there as a companion (here's hoping). However, there definitely seems to have been a cover up at some point. It seems like the dwarves chose to hide knowledge of the Titans. This is an interesting theory. It would make sense that if the ancient dwarves wished to preserve the titans from future harm they would deliberately erase the physical records of them but retain their reverence for them as their belief in the Stone. This clearly was an ancient word for the titans since Solas calls Varric a "Child of Stone", which of course is also how the dwarves call themselves but I don't think this is why he calls him thus.
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Post by helios969 on Mar 19, 2021 7:34:05 GMT
Uncovering the history of that Thaig was a very atmospheric process, I agree - the mournful desert and haunting music were very memorable. Wholly agree myself. Even though there is no direct story tie I typically go to this location (when I mostly ignore the other non-story environments) because of the atmosphere...plus it's the best location for acquiring good items and crafting materials. Uncovering this little mystery was quite satisfying.
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