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Post by theascendent on May 9, 2021 11:27:43 GMT
Which human cultural group/ethnicity/nation would you like our Human PC be from if we get to choose? For this poll I have focused primarily on the nations of Northern Thedas, as a key component of combating Solas is finding people he doesn't know. And since the original trilogy was focused primarily in Southern Thedas, Orlais, the Free Marches and Ferelden, we should logically play someone from the north. If the trailers and concept art have been an indication the chances of that are high.
For me personally I would love to be a Human from the Tevinter Imperium, mainly because I am a huge fan of mages and classical studies, therefore the Tevinter Imperium is a match made in heaven for me. With all the wonders and horrors such a match entail.
So now your thoughts. Where would you like our (hopefully) new Human PC to be from and why.
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Post by Felya87 on May 9, 2021 11:40:27 GMT
I never play human characters. But if I was drunk and mistakenly made a human character, I'd probably would like to play as an Antivan. Is the most Italian character I can ever hope to play as outside Assassin's Creed 2, even if the accents are cringy to say the least, and have nothing to do with anything Italian at all.
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Post by cribbian on May 9, 2021 12:11:30 GMT
I want to be a vint this time. Tho I will be satisfied as long as we're something other than fereldan or marcher
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Post by Absafraginlootly on May 9, 2021 12:58:25 GMT
In a game that seems to be primarily set in tevinter I like the idea of playing someone from there. The interesting possibilities of a laetan, such as Neve Gallus' and Myrion's families, or of a Siccari come to mind. But whatever nation the human pc hails from I just hope they have a background option available other than noble.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 9, 2021 13:07:52 GMT
I normally prefer to play elves but as a human I'd quite like being from Seheron and either a Fog Warrior (warrior or rogue) or Fog Dancer (mage) as I've been interested in them ever since DA2 and only more after I read about them in WoT2. The only problem is I think it would work better if I had a companion from Seheron because if I was a native I ought to know even more about my ancient culture than I would. The same would apply to a lesser extent to someone from Rivain, which is another region with its own culture that I would like to know more about. Both these countries also have native populations of elves, although the ones in Seheron are mostly escaped slaves, and Tal'Vashoth, plus Rivain also seems to have a fair number of surface dwarves, so the background doesn't necessarily have to be racially human.
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Post by jrpN7 on May 9, 2021 14:11:54 GMT
I think playing as someone from this mysterious Tevinter would be a great shakeup from the traditional southern Thedas. I'm not a pro at the ethnicities of Thedas, but to my understanding south Thedas is composed of mostly white ethnicities like central and northern Europe and the further north you go it's like going more Mediterranean/Middle East? It would be cool to have a middle eastern human character with a different background outside Chantry/Magi hoohah to give us a more complete picture of cultures in Thedas. Arabian wizard if you will.
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Post by Liadan on May 9, 2021 15:48:54 GMT
I think i would like to play someone from Tevinter. It would be interesting to play someone from a culture that regards magic in such a different way from the other nations. Also i love playing mages and it would be nice to play one that isn`t seen as a menace simply for being a mage but instead that his/her magic it`s apreciated from the start. That would be a nice change.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 9, 2021 19:29:30 GMT
Vint...I really really want to play as a Tevinter mage I've wanted to go to Tevinter since Origins
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 9, 2021 19:35:43 GMT
If they follow the trend they’ve done so far, the next will be Orlesian. They can’t break trends, after all.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 9, 2021 20:01:40 GMT
If they follow the trend they’ve done so far, the next will be Orlesian. They can’t break trends, after all. Yeah, I think so too...still, I'd love for other choices as well
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Post by theascendent on May 9, 2021 20:10:21 GMT
I consider this the start of a new trilogy, a new Origins if you will, and in Origins, we played as a native to Ferelden (exceptions including Dwarves and Dalish Elves). So we should (hopefully) avoid an Orlesian player character.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 9, 2021 20:23:44 GMT
I consider this the start of a new trilogy, a new Origins if you will, and in Origins, we played as a native to Ferelden (exceptions including Dwarves and Dalish Elves). So we should ( hopefully) avoid an Orlesian player character. How is this the start of a new trilogy when it is literally picking up a plot started in a previous game?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 9, 2021 20:24:44 GMT
If they follow the trend they’ve done so far, the next will be Orlesian. They can’t break trends, after all. Yeah, I think so too...still, I'd love for other choices as well I’d love to be a Free Marcher (a certain one at least). But beyond that, I’d like to be Antivan like Josephine (would still prefer a whole game for this region rather than the one and done it’s going to be, in a game I hate at that).
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Post by LadyofNemesis on May 9, 2021 20:32:57 GMT
Yeah, I think so too...still, I'd love for other choices as well I’d love to be a Free Marcher (a certain one at least). But beyond that, I’d like to be Antivan like Josephine (would still prefer a whole game for this region rather than the one and done it’s going to be, in a game I hate at that). I know I know, I feel like Quizzy is getting the short end of the stick (especially since the baddy will be Solas) and I'd love for them to return but Dragon Age has been about playing a new hero/heroine for every game -as opposed to Mass Effect- and I do like all of my characters (even if Hawke feels off in Inquisition) I for one look forward to seeing what they'll come up with, but I'd rather not play a character with a horrendous French accent (Leli's accent was good...but we all know and heard Isolde's) if we're to play a new protagonist, I hope they'll come from the Northern regions like Antiva, the Anderfells, Rivain, Nevarra or Tevinter...
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Post by theascendent on May 9, 2021 20:33:37 GMT
I consider this the start of a new trilogy, a new Origins if you will, and in Origins, we played as a native to Ferelden (exceptions including Dwarves and Dalish Elves). So we should ( hopefully) avoid an Orlesian player character. How is this the start of a new trilogy when it is literally picking up a plot started in a previous game? New setting in Northern Thedas. Also it's difficult getting decent French vocalists in games without sounding like stereotypes. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it. But we already had an Orlesian player character in the Warden Commander in Awakening if the one in Origins died.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 9, 2021 20:40:59 GMT
I’d love to be a Free Marcher (a certain one at least). But beyond that, I’d like to be Antivan like Josephine (would still prefer a whole game for this region rather than the one and done it’s going to be, in a game I hate at that). I know I know, I feel like Quizzy is getting the short end of the stick (especially since the baddy will be Solas) and I'd love for them to return but Dragon Age has been about playing a new hero/heroine for every game -as opposed to Mass Effect- and I do like all of my characters (even if Hawke feels off in Inquisition) I for one look forward to seeing what they'll come up with, but I'd rather not play a character with a horrendous French accent (Leli's accent was good...but we all know and heard Isolde's) if we're to play a new protagonist, I hope they'll come from the Northern regions like Antiva, the Anderfells, Rivain, Nevarra or Tevinter...
Yeah. And that stupid unofficial rule they set for themselves is harming their stories and limiting their potential. My Hawke didn't feel "off". They felt like a bastardization that was a personification of a middle finger. But if they must follow these rules of theirs, they should follow all of them and that means the next protagonist is Orlesian (or Ferelden but they've done that twice now). How is this the start of a new trilogy when it is literally picking up a plot started in a previous game? New setting in Northern Thedas. Also it's difficult getting decent French vocalists in games without sounding like stereotypes. I wouldn't be entirely opposed to it. But we already had an Orlesian player character in the Warden Commander in Awakening if the one in Origins died. New setting sure, but same story. Eh, I can think of many voice actors that can do good authentic French accents that wouldn't be stereotypical. I don't count that one, since that was an expansion and not a game.
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 9, 2021 20:48:11 GMT
If they follow the trend they’ve done so far, the next will be Orlesian. They can’t break trends, after all. Oh, please don't - apart from the French (or Quebecoise?) accent, we are pretty well stocked with anything southern andrastian. Orlesian as well as Antiva will be a great way to railroad mage characters, for what its worth. In case of the Ander, I'd say we don't really know that much about them, plus southern zealots calling them zealous or weird... who knows. But in the end, no, thanks, I had enough circle slave. (So it is either 'Vint, Rivaini or Seheron native)
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 9, 2021 20:55:00 GMT
If they follow the trend they’ve done so far, the next will be Orlesian. They can’t break trends, after all. Oh, please don't - apart from the French (or Quebecoise?) accent, we are pretty well stocked with anything southern andrastian. Orlesian as well as Antiva will be a great way to railroad mage characters, for what its worth. In case of the Ander, I'd say we don't really know that much about them, plus southern zealots calling them zealous or weird... who knows. But in the end, no, thanks, I had enough circle slave. (So it is either 'Vint, Rivaini or Seheron native) Could always be an Orlesian who was taken as a slave, then had their magic manifest later thus became free. Or an Orlesian apostate. Or a number of other options. Even if from the Circle, it's not like we've had to play a supporter of it. Especially now since this would be after the Mage-Templar War.
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Post by KaiserShep on May 9, 2021 23:28:32 GMT
I get the feeling they'll stay away from our PC having a particularly strong accent. No doubt even if our character was Orlesian, we'd play the least Orlesian of them all lol
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Post by Buckeldemon on May 10, 2021 2:15:02 GMT
Oh, please don't - apart from the French (or Quebecoise?) accent, we are pretty well stocked with anything southern andrastian. Orlesian as well as Antiva will be a great way to railroad mage characters, for what its worth. In case of the Ander, I'd say we don't really know that much about them, plus southern zealots calling them zealous or weird... who knows. But in the end, no, thanks, I had enough circle slave. (So it is either 'Vint, Rivaini or Seheron native) Could always be an Orlesian who was taken as a slave, then had their magic manifest later thus became free. Or an Orlesian apostate. Or a number of other options. Even if from the Circle, it's not like we've had to play a supporter of it. Especially now since this would be after the Mage-Templar War. Hush! There is no slavery or slave-hunting in the south. Yeah, someone taken as kid and then manifest magic in the early teens (as the case with Anders) might work. I kinda wanna play a mage who isn't andrastian or wasn't subject to the usual andrastian mage hate for a change. Pretty much for any andrastian character, they could try to pull a (BS) circle justification "via backdoor" I guess. DAI did not left me very hopeful for that not to happen, given Vivienne's writing. And EnvyDemon!Fiona. And both-sides-ism. And other examples.
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Post by gervaise21 on May 10, 2021 7:47:48 GMT
If they follow the trend they’ve done so far, the next will be Orlesian. They can’t break trends, after all. consider this the start of a new trilogy, a new Origins if you will, How is this the start of a new trilogy when it is literally picking up a plot started in a previous game? We are continuing the plot of the previous game but we are going to a completely different part of Thedas. I don't think having Hawke as from Ferelden was meant to set a trend. It just fitted the story they wished to tell was that of a refugee and an outsider becoming involved in the politics of Kirkwall rather than someone who was local to it. Likewise, in DAI, since there was going to be a focus on the countries of Ferelden and Orlais, they once again opted to make the PC an outsider, so effectively neutral when it came to the politics. However, beyond a label saying where we came from it didn't impact on our story much at all beyond, perhaps, the personal War Table mission. It should also be remembered that the Freemarches is a region not a country. For this to follow a pattern we should have come from Kirkwall, as that was the city state in which the action occurred. It is emphasised in the codex on the Freemarches, which is also found in WoT, that each of these city states are very different in character. In fact, apart from the human background, which was Ostwick, none of the other races had a link to any particular city state, just vaguely from that area, the Dalish, or nowhere in particular, Vashoth mercenary and Carta dwarf. So there is not a trend that the writers are following; this was just an idea put forward on these boards. There is no reason why the PC should be from Orlais and to be honest it wouldn't make much sense if they were. They need to be grounded in the north in some way. Could always be an Orlesian who was taken as a slave, then had their magic manifest later thus became free. If this were the case then it would be better if they were taken as a child as they would then most likely have lost any accent and know little of the culture of their country, thus explaining a lack of knowledge of their background, but what would be the point? However, I have said more than once that giving us a slave origin would also be an effective way of introducing new players to the country of Tevinter, would allow them to be reasonably ignorant of life outside of their original master's estate and most importantly would match with the idea that the new PC starts off from a position of no power whatsoever. Of course, it would buck the trend with a human PC as in every previous game they have been connected with nobility (even Hawke), but I think this would make a refreshing change from always having the human PC from the higher echelons of society. Hush! There is no slavery or slave-hunting in the south. You think! I seem to recall we had several run-ins with slavers in Kirkwall, not just those hunting Fenris. Isabella was working with slave traffickers before she developed a conscience about it and the guy we confront in Act 3 is a slaver. Loghain was working with a slaver from Tevinter in order to finance his war effort and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be the only noble across the south who has done that. Zevran says that he was bought by the Crows and that is what gives them the additional hold over their recruits as they literally own them. (Of course Tevinter Nights seemed to go to some lengths to try and improve the image of the Crows). So the message I have got across three games is that whilst slavery is "officially" outlawed in the south and some rulers are more conscientious about enforcing this than others, trading in slaves is actually rife by the underworld contingents and anyone, but particularly those on the margins of society, are vulnerable to being exploited. Slaves can be from any race although WoT says the split is roughly 50/50 elves and humans. Nevrtheless, a qunari/vashoth is also shown in the Tevinter section on slavery and I have constantly argued that there is no reason why the Vints wouldn't accept casteless dwarves as slaves because since they are already non-persons to the dwarves with caste, why would they object to them being made into slaves? They literally mark them from birth to show they are different.
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Post by theascendent on May 10, 2021 9:39:00 GMT
I always imagined they had the Human PC's relation to nobility is because they are the most educated/privileged members of society. They know how to read and write, not every peasant and commoner has access to that standard and level of education, aside from whatever a local Chantry teaches. Hawke's parents were both intelligent people, runaway apostate and disowned noble so I imagine they were homeschooled, they probably avoided sending the kids to the local Chantry too much, too risky for the Mage children, although they likely attended enough to not arouse suspicion. After all, what kind of person avoids the Chantry, unless they have something to hide. A well-educated slave would be uncommon, but more useful to their master depending on what role/task they have.
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Post by lk13 on May 10, 2021 10:22:19 GMT
I don't think they're going to give the player character any specific accent regardless of where they come from. If they want to continue the trend of having the main character be from the previous game's main location, they could simply have something like the protagonist's mother\father be from Orlais, or the childhood spent there, or, as I've seen written, be born in Orlais but taken as a slave very young, etc... so by the time we get to play as them, they're for all intents and purposes, "Vints".
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Post by gervaise21 on May 10, 2021 11:56:07 GMT
A well-educated slave would be uncommon, but more useful to their master depending on what role/task they have. Whilst that codex in the Western Approach suggested that slaves were generally illiterate (in the past), according to WoT many slaves are skilled workers who have been trained in a profession, so do have a degree of education, particularly if your skill requires you to be literate/numerate. Also, slaves are often left to care for and even educate the children of the nobility, so would need a degree of education themselves to do the job. Obviously a lot would depend on the attitude of their owner and also what resources they have access to, with or without permission. For example, I seem to recall that Calpernia had already taught herself to read before she came into her magic, after which Erasthenes took time out to instruct her in the basics of magic so she wouldn't be a risk to the rest of his household. By contrast, Myrion in Tevinter Nights was adopted by the factory owner where his family worked when he came into his magic, which automatically gave him citizen status and raised the factory owner's family to Laetans class, after which Myrion received a formal Circle education. On the whole, I think they could assume that a person with a slave background was at least literate.
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Post by Gwydden on May 11, 2021 13:37:39 GMT
I never play human characters. But if I was drunk and mistakenly made a human character, I'd probably would like to play as an Antivan. Is the most Italian character I can ever hope to play as outside Assassin's Creed 2, even if the accents are cringy to say the least, and have nothing to do with anything Italian at all. I was under the impression that, despite being Italian-coded, Antivans were supposed to have Spanish accents.
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