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Post by Monica21 on May 26, 2021 1:56:00 GMT
I'm playing MELE but I figure this question should probably go here.
So I'm really trying to avoid having Kaidan's picture in ME2. And a few things about my Shepard, she's an Earthborn Ruthless biotic, and it would be odd for her to never talk to Kaidan in ME1, what with him being one of the few humans on the squad and also being a biotic. I don't know how to talk to him and avoid romancing him though. Shepard also doesn't like the reputation she has because of Torfan, but finds it useful. That's sort of beside the point though.
This playthrough is definitely going to be a Garrusmance and I know I want to kill Kaidan, I'm just not sure when. Virmire is certainly the easiest, but leaving him alive and killing him in 3 (or letting Garrus do it) seems like it would work better for my Shepard. On the other hand, it's been a long time since Ashley's been the VS, so I wouldn't mind seeing that play out.
Any thoughts or tips would be helpful.
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Post by themikefest on May 26, 2021 11:37:00 GMT
Don't choose any dialogue that would lead to a romance in ME1. Better yet don't talk to him. That would be renegade enough. It would leave Alenko wondering why the Commander is giving him the cold shoulder. In ME3, choose the bottom right dialogue. After Mars, don't see him in the hospital again leaving him with the feeling that the Commander not only is giving him the cold shoulder, but appears not to care about him since he was seriously injured on Mars. During the coup, hesitate to shoot him possibly leading to Garrus shooting him. As he dies, he will conclude that the Commander never did like him that it would lead to his death.
If you choose to save Williams, I would suggest bringing her on the SR2 in ME3 to have another squadmate to help.
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Post by Monica21 on May 26, 2021 12:16:15 GMT
I've never been able to avoid locking into a romance with Kaidan. Even the neutral replies lead to him showing up in quarters before Ilos. Is it easy enough to just choose all bottom left dialogue and never ask further about his background?
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Post by winterking on May 26, 2021 12:34:34 GMT
I don't recall the correct option but I'm pretty sure you can still talk with Kaidan and avoid the romance. I think the key moment is when Kaidan apologizes for being too informal and you can choose the dialogue option "Just be ready".
I'm not entirely sure if this affects the Kaidan romance or not but when Liara admits feelings for Shepard, she will ask Shepard if there is something between Shepard and Kaidan in which the player can answer no.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on May 26, 2021 12:57:43 GMT
So I'm really trying to avoid having Kaidan's picture in ME2. And a few things about my Shepard, she's an Earthborn Ruthless biotic, and it would be odd for her to never talk to Kaidan in ME1, what with him being one of the few humans on the squad and also being a biotic. I don't know how to talk to him and avoid romancing him though. Shepard also doesn't like the reputation she has because of Torfan, but finds it useful. That's sort of beside the point though. To avoid romancing Kaiden your first proper conversation with him after becoming a Spectre and gaining control of the Normandy, in the last dialog option in that conversation you just need to choose the renegade (bottom right) dialogue option. I think the option is labeled "Bored now" or something. The actual conversation line is like "I kind of gave up waiting for the good part" or something like that. After that, you should be able to choose any dialogue option you want and not get into a romance with him. For MaleShep, a similar option exists for Ashley where you can choose the "You're out of line" (middle left) option in the first conversation to avoid the romance. I forget how to avoid Liara's romance considering I got ninjamanced by her again in my ME1 playthrough. There used to be a thread/post about avoiding romances in ME1, but I do not know if I copied that over to the new forums.
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Post by winterking on May 26, 2021 13:04:37 GMT
So I'm really trying to avoid having Kaidan's picture in ME2. And a few things about my Shepard, she's an Earthborn Ruthless biotic, and it would be odd for her to never talk to Kaidan in ME1, what with him being one of the few humans on the squad and also being a biotic. I don't know how to talk to him and avoid romancing him though. Shepard also doesn't like the reputation she has because of Torfan, but finds it useful. That's sort of beside the point though. I forget how to avoid Liara's romance considering I got ninjamanced by her again in my ME1 playthrough. There used to be a thread/post about avoiding romances in ME1, but I do not know if I copied that over to the new forums. I think it's when she expresses feelings for Shepard, the middle option is "I just want to be friend" and ends the romance right there. I've always heard that choosing the renegade option in that dialogue is bugged and locks the romance anyway. I never tried it though...
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Post by Monica21 on May 26, 2021 15:23:46 GMT
To avoid romancing Kaiden your first proper conversation with him after becoming a Spectre and gaining control of the Normandy, in the last dialog option in that conversation you just need to choose the renegade (bottom right) dialogue option. I think the option is labeled "Bored now" or something. The actual conversation line is like "I kind of gave up waiting for the good part" or something like that. Welp, missed that. Guess he dies on Virmire.
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Post by sgtreed24 on May 26, 2021 16:51:14 GMT
I've never been ninja mance'd by anyone.
1. Choose the dialogues that have Shepard act like they aren't interested. 2. Just never talk to them (it's why my most recent FemShep that just completed ME1 did as I don't care for Kaidan at all). 3. Let them die on Virmire (also what my femshep did lol)
As for Liara,
Recruit her after everything else. There isn't enough time to romance her then, I don't think.
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Post by Monica21 on May 27, 2021 2:37:41 GMT
Recruit her after everything else. There isn't enough time to romance her then, I don't think.
I've managed to avoid getting ninjamanced by Liara, but for some reason my FemShep can't seem to avoid it with Kaidan. I'm going to try the "ya boring" options and see if those work. I was also thinking that I may just leave him on Virmire. I've not let Ashley survive past the middle of ME3, much less put her back on the Normandy, so that's not a bad idea. Basically, looking more and more like Kaidan dies on Virmire.
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Post by Monica21 on May 27, 2021 2:39:48 GMT
If you choose to save Williams, I would suggest bringing her on the SR2 in ME3 to have another squadmate to help. I've never done this, so I think Ash is going to be the VS and I'll bring her aboard the Normandy. The last time Ashley was the VS I made sure Garrus shot her. Would like to see what she's like as a crewmate in ME3, though I haven't heard the best of things.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on May 27, 2021 17:37:59 GMT
I got in an unwilling romance with Liara in ME1 and now her pic is flipped down as I sent my femshep in Garrus's direction anyway. Only sure fire way I have ever been able to avoid romances in ME1 is to start a romance with Ash/Kaidan and then Virmire them. It locks Liara out and frees up things for the later games if you don't want to cheat. In your case OP I would just humor Kaidan then Virmire him.
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Post by Monica21 on May 28, 2021 1:23:38 GMT
I got in an unwilling romance with Liara in ME1 and now her pic is flipped down as I sent my femshep in Garrus's direction anyway. Only sure fire way I have ever been able to avoid romances in ME1 is to start a romance with Ash/Kaidan and then Virmire them. It locks Liara out and frees up things for the later games if you don't want to cheat. In your case OP I would just humor Kaidan then Virmire him. Hadn't thought about getting ninja-manced by Liara. Probably worth it to play into it then, and considering the events of Torfan, it's definitely not the worst thing she's done.
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Post by dragontartare on May 28, 2021 6:41:46 GMT
There is also a conversation with Kaidan where he starts whining about Shepard sending him mixed signals, where you can choose renegade options to shut him up for good. I think it's when he's talking about biotic school. I just did that a few days ago, and then landed on Ilos today with no romance scene, just as I'd wanted. Liara is the one that ninjamances me, so I solved that by asking her about Benezia and then never talking to her again
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Post by Element Zero on May 30, 2021 3:50:53 GMT
I'd forgotten just how careful one has to be to stay single in ME1. 😄 I am making a point to get the Paramour achievements on my first time through MELE.
With all the trophies of all of sorts out of the way, subsequent PTs feel completely free-form. I know trophies are easily avoided, but I enjoy getting them. They scratch that scoreboard itch we all have to varying degrees. I also like seeing the 🏆100%🏆 next to games I really enjoy. It just feels right.
Anyway, my next Shepard will be John (Sheploo) Shepard who will be single at the end of ME1. Ashley is easy to avoid, since she always gets dusted. Liara is the one that requires care on my part.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on May 30, 2021 16:49:29 GMT
I'd forgotten just how careful one has to be to stay single in ME1. 😄 I am making a point to get the Paramour achievements on my first time through MELE. With all the trophies of all of sorts out of the way, subsequent PTs feel completely free-form. I know trophies are easily avoided, but I enjoy getting them. They scratch that scoreboard itch we all have to varying degrees. I also like seeing the 🏆100%🏆 next to games I really enjoy. It just feels right. Anyway, my next Shepard will be John (Sheploo) Shepard who will be single at the end of ME1. Ashley is easy to avoid, since she always gets dusted. Liara is the one that requires care on my part. Just humor Ash and then Virmire her. If you at least start a romance with her and then Virmire her (which it sounds like you will do anyway) it will lock Liara out.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2021 18:08:05 GMT
I'd forgotten just how careful one has to be to stay single in ME1. 😄 I am making a point to get the Paramour achievements on my first time through MELE. With all the trophies of all of sorts out of the way, subsequent PTs feel completely free-form. I know trophies are easily avoided, but I enjoy getting them. They scratch that scoreboard itch we all have to varying degrees. I also like seeing the 🏆100%🏆 next to games I really enjoy. It just feels right. Anyway, my next Shepard will be John (Sheploo) Shepard who will be single at the end of ME1. Ashley is easy to avoid, since she always gets dusted. Liara is the one that requires care on my part. The other way is to just go to Therum last, after Feros, Noveria, and Virmire. It's impossible to romance Liara when you acquire her that late... even if you save Ashley. Just shut down Ashley with the "You're out of line." dialogue and you should be absolutely single at the end of ME1.
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Post by Monica21 on May 31, 2021 1:11:41 GMT
I'd forgotten just how careful one has to be to stay single in ME1. 😄 I am making a point to get the Paramour achievements on my first time through MELE. Honestly I think I've already locked out Kaidan this PT without meaning too. (Didn't get the convo with Ashley about him already being interested in someone else, and Kaidan is talking to me like he does a male Shep.) Many too many renegade replies even though I didn't shut him down early? My biggest worry now is that Liara will jump at the opportunity. I'll just have to avoid her I guess.
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 6, 2021 0:22:34 GMT
I did it! Kaidan's dead and Shepard got a good night's sleep before Ilos.
That said, I think this is the first time I've left Kaidan with the bomb and gone to help Ashley. Not sure why I haven't done it before, because the firefight before Saren shows up is well done, and the final image of Kaidan guarding the bomb to make sure it detonates after the Normandy leaves is nicely poignant.
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Post by shotgunjulia on Jun 9, 2021 23:56:20 GMT
If you choose to save Williams, I would suggest bringing her on the SR2 in ME3 to have another squadmate to help. I've never done this, so I think Ash is going to be the VS and I'll bring her aboard the Normandy. The last time Ashley was the VS I made sure Garrus shot her. Would like to see what she's like as a crewmate in ME3, though I haven't heard the best of things. Yeah, that's why I saved Kaidan on Virmire. "After what they did to your character in ME3? Trust me, Ash, it's better this way." When I had her with me, I had Shepard do the dirty work herself.
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Post by trinity0 on Jun 10, 2021 11:19:01 GMT
I always save Ashley, because i like her more then Kaidan. I am not a fan of her new appearence in ME3 but i can live with it and you can push her into a realtionship with Vega in the Citadel DLC
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Jun 11, 2021 15:26:16 GMT
If you're playing Renegade you should leave Kaidan on Virmire anyway, since he does nothing but moan about every decision you'll make.
Ash is way better backup if you wanna do Renegade thug life shit. The opposite is true if you are playing boy scout Paragon.
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Post by Monica21 on Jun 12, 2021 15:55:34 GMT
I always save Ashley, because i like her more then Kaidan. I am not a fan of her new appearence in ME3 but i can live with it and you can push her into a realtionship with Vega in the Citadel DLC I'm definitely going to have to do this.
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