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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 4, 2021 7:25:26 GMT
I'm currently on my ME3 run of the ME:LE and considering the last time I played ME3 was before all the dlc was out (I've played Leviathan but barely remember it and I think I had the party and Javik. Didn't have or didn't do Aria's DLC). Anyways as the thread title states I'm curious as to what the proper order of the story missions and dlc missions combined is in order to make the most sense story wise. I haven't done any DLC yet and have only completed Priority: Palaven (and a bunch of side missions and scanning) Surkesh is next but I wanted to ask you all what the proper order of everything should be before I just start randomly doing dlc because I'm a completionist and that, for me, usually means doing every non main story mission that's available before the next main story mission Obviously I feel like Leviathan should be near the end but have no idea the best time for Javik or the Aria DLCs
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Post by colfoley on Jun 4, 2021 7:36:51 GMT
I can't really say the best order to do things but I can say my order. I tend to do Omega pretty early on, like pretty much even before Surkesh, though that also will depend on if I have certain weapons available to me so a NG + I might wait for a little bit on Omega. Then Leviathan after the Citadel coup attempt. Then Citadel right before I do the ending.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 4, 2021 10:57:41 GMT
Omega early, before the Citadel coup, which means before Priority:Tuchanka.
Leviathan can actually be spaced out, as you return 3 times to the Citadel to advance it. I usually do it mid-game (i.e. post Citadel coup).
Citadel DLC can't start before you did the Citadel Coup and it comes in 2 parts. The 1st section has a storyline that you need to play all the way. The second section with the party/squadmates Silversun Strip activites allow you to leave the area and come back. So you can do the first part early and the party right before the ending.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 4, 2021 11:18:48 GMT
From Ashes right away to get the most out of Javik and his dialogue. Leviathan after Thessia because of the screamers. Citadel after Sanctuary. Omega...when you want to.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jun 4, 2021 12:23:41 GMT
My opinion: for story cohesion, the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs convey a sense of urgency, even though they are not really urgent at all (you do not lose war assets and there is no visible death tally if you delay in completing in these arcs). So if you want to maintain that sense of urgency I would not do the DLC missions while you are in the middle of those story arcs.
So basically, do DLC before or after starting these story arcs.
Generally for new games, I recruit Javik right away to maximize his dialogue. I will go to Bryson's office early since I do all the early Citadel stuff for quick credits and XP and quests and whatnot, but do not do any missions until after Tuchanka. The order in which I do things is different per playthrough. I will save the Citadel DLC party until the very end, just before going to Cerberus HQ.
For NG+, I make a beeline for 10% store discount, so I do all the DLC after the Ardat Yakshi Monastery (unlocks after the Citadel Coup) to maximize my spending.
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 4, 2021 13:00:23 GMT
Like everyone said, Omega pretty much fits anywhere, and to a certain extent so does Leviathan. They both fit with the context of the war against the Reapers so I don't think there's really an order it depends on what you want to do. I know you want to wait to have Ashley to go to Eden Prime for Jarvik so you'll probably wait after the Citadel coup. For the Citadel DLC I believe you can do the mission and then the party later because you can leave and come back to that area, but it wouldn't really fit I guess. I always do it just before the end after I lock in my romance and when I have all my squadmates and finished all the quests for the ones who survived the SM in ME2. If you're not going to romance anyone the game forces you to do a certain thing and if you don't want to be traumatized, I suggest romancing someone lmao. Your party might be a lil empty
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 4, 2021 14:07:46 GMT
Like everyone said, Omega pretty much fits anywhere, and to a certain extent so does Leviathan. They both fit with the context of the war against the Reapers so I don't think there's really an order it depends on what you want to do. I know you want to wait to have Ashley to go to Eden Prime for Jarvik so you'll probably wait after the Citadel coup. For the Citadel DLC I believe you can do the mission and then the party later because you can leave and come back to that area, but it wouldn't really fit I guess. I always do it just before the end after I lock in my romance and when I have all my squadmates and finished all the quests for the ones who survived the SM in ME2. If you're not going to romance anyone the game forces you to do a certain thing and if you don't want to be traumatized, I suggest romancing someone lmao. Your party might be a lil empty Why would someone want to wait to bring Ashley to unearth Javik? Does she have some kind of noteworthy lines? If so, I'd just watch them on YouTube. Javik is a way more important character in ME3 than Ashley. I'd never delay his addition, and all his input, just so she could tag along. (To be honest, I'm not a fan of ME3 Ashley, and generally give her an honorable exit on Virmire. I think ME3 Ash is "airlock" material, as Javik might suggest. 😄)
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Post by themikefest on Jun 4, 2021 14:42:49 GMT
Why would someone want to wait to bring Ashley to unearth Javik? Does she have some kind of noteworthy lines? If so, I'd just watch them on YouTube. Two reasons why I would. 1)Taking her there would bring some closure after what happened on Eden Prime. It gives her a moment to reflect on her unit that was lost. 2) Javik will have a different line of dialogue based on your ems when on the ship.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Jun 4, 2021 15:03:47 GMT
From Ashes after Menae because Lord Javik is crucial. Would do it before but you can't even bring him there. Omega early to get all the weapons and mods. New game I generally wait until just after the Coup so I'm sure to have enough to buy everything. Leviathan and Citadel after Rannoch so I have the full squad available for dialogue and interactions. Why would someone want to wait to bring Ashley to unearth Javik? Does she have some kind of noteworthy lines? If so, I'd just watch them on YouTube. 2) Javik will have a different line of dialogue based on your ems when on the ship. I just use Multiplayer promotions to up the N7 Special Ops war asset to the point where I can get the line at the very beginning. Obviously can't do that in the LE.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 4, 2021 15:42:45 GMT
ok so based on you all's input (aside from Javik because well I remember not giving two fucks about him and I wanna take Ashley back to Eden Prime), sounds like something like this would work:
Palaven Omega (or maybe after the coup since cerberus is who took omega from Aria? basically cleaning up cerberus arc? lol) Surkesh Tuchanka Cerberus Coup Javik Rannoch Citadel DLC (Minus Party) Thessia Horizon Leviathan Citadel DLC Party Ending
I just want to make sure they don't make shepard and co look stupid if you do something early on that should be later in the game or vice versa. I feel like I remember Leviathan revealing some stuff or dropping knowledge that would make them look dumb if done early on hence it's late completion in this list. But it's been forever since I played so I could be wrong.
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Post by KrrKs on Jun 4, 2021 15:52:05 GMT
I find that Omega fits best post Citadel coup, as a kind of payback to Cerberus. By that time i also have resolved most/all of Arias requests and the stuff EGM adds to the questline.
I believe i usually start Leviathan shortly thereafter - post Asari monastery, as that one introduces Banshees. Then the rest is spaced out, so that the last mission is post Horizon, pre Citadel Party.
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I like moving the acquisition of Javik around on different playthroughs since he does have some different dialogue depending on what the status of your EMS is.
Leviathan is OK to start at any time, but I like finishing it after I've committed to a romance in order to get the LI's reaction to Shepard getting into the diving suit.
I like doing Omega just before Priority Tuchanka... so that I bump into Aria again just afterward and she explains why she's "still slumming it on the Citadel for now." It's also late enough in the game that I can have enough money saved up to buy the key mods I like from Harrot (since his shop is only accessible during that DLC).
I like dong the Citadel DLC in it's entirety just before going to take out TIM's base. I don't like doing the first part earlier because I like having the entire group to be there when "all hands are on deck." I don't like doing the party after the end because, in most of my runs, Shepard is dead after the end and I like the "it's been a good ride" scene to reflect the tension of being just before going into the final battle and the lines coming from Shepard's LI about being there afterward to be about not knowing if everyone will make it through or not. Those lines lose their meaning if the party is completed after the war ended. Since I'm OK with all the endings and like matching them to my different Shepard's (that hold differing opinions about how the galaxy is best governed), I don't need the party to lift my spirits or to pretend that my Shepard is still alive.
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 4, 2021 17:32:11 GMT
Oh, right forgot about that. There are some LI lines in Leviathan and you fight banshees. Wouldn't make sense to start Leviathan before the Ardat-yakshi mission.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 4, 2021 22:15:37 GMT
From Ashes: After Manae. Javik's remark about turians being one of the ruling species only makes sense if Garrus was present.
Omega: Best done during a lull in the story where a giant detour makes sense. I personally think it fits best immediately after Priority: Citadel II as retaliation.
Leviathan: The final segment at least needs to be done after Thessia. Otherwise Shepard and Liara look like idiots asking Vendetta questions that the Leviathan already gave them the answer to.
Citadel: I prefer it as the last thing I do before attacking Cerberus for the last time. I find it logical for Hackett to give Shepard shore leave while he preps the fleets for the final assault.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2021 0:28:19 GMT
^^^ All of that.
I prefer CEM. Citadel DLC is best experienced as a post-drama situation.
Eventually I plan on modding it substantially, minimizing interaction with Brooks to the point where she is barely there. Most annoying DLC character they have ever made.
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Post by Exile Isan on Jun 6, 2021 2:57:47 GMT
From Ashes right after Palaven.
Omega DLC right after the Citadel Coup. I see this as giving Cerberus a black eye for trying to take the Citadel.
Citadel DLC after Priority Rannoch. Story wise this makes the most sense, as you've recruited all your squad (if Tali is alive anyway), the Normandy recently saw combat (you're ordered to the Citadel for R&R and for repairs), and you have to go to the Citadel to talk to the asari councilor anyway. (And then spend several days messing around in the Armax Arena).
Leviathan DLC I start after Priority: Thessia. Mostly because Vendetta makes reference to the intelligence and this bit of dialogue makes little sense if Shepard has already met the Leviathans and knows about the "intelligence".
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 6, 2021 4:31:12 GMT
Why would someone want to wait to bring Ashley to unearth Javik? Does she have some kind of noteworthy lines? If so, I'd just watch them on YouTube. Two reasons why I would. 1)Taking her there would bring some closure after what happened on Eden Prime. It gives her a moment to reflect on her unit that was lost. 2) Javik will have a different line of dialogue based on your ems when on the ship. Good reasons. I don't often have Ash alive in ME3, so the obvious wish to bring her full circle had flown right over my head. Duh. Different observations from Javik would likewise be cool to see. For me, I enjoy his cheery, upbeat presence too much to leave him for so late in the game. He regularly makes me both laugh and feel badly for him. He's also very useful in combat, particularly for powers-focused Shepards. I will have to visit YouTube tomorrow to check for videos showing both Ash returning to Eden Prime and Javik having a more positive assessment of the situation after reading Shepard's experiences. I typically recruit him straight out of the gate, so I've never seen these circumstances. Even with the crappy endings (IMO), the myriad variables they accounted for in these games, particularly ME3, is so impressive. It makes the series unique. There is nothing quite like it, and likely never will be again. It's a ton of work for a limited payout. If everyone played like themikefest and tried to experience and appreciate the variance, that would be rewarding for the devs. Most never do, though, and all those resources and hard work never pay off in those cases.
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Post by RedCaesar97 on Jun 6, 2021 15:19:52 GMT
Why would someone want to wait to bring Ashley to unearth Javik? Does she have some kind of noteworthy lines? If so, I'd just watch them on YouTube. Two reasons why I would. 1)Taking her there would bring some closure after what happened on Eden Prime. It gives her a moment to reflect on her unit that was lost. 2) Javik will have a different line of dialogue based on your ems when on the ship. i meant to comment on this earlier, but does Javik actually have different dialogue based on EMS? I know he has different dialogue depending when you pick him up. - If you pick him up early (before completing Tuchanka) he mentions how you think the Reapers are winning. - If you pick him up soon after Tuchanka, he comments about how you had a recent victory - If you pick him up soon after completing Rannoch, he comments about how you think you are winning. - If you pick him up after Thessia, he comments about you feel desperate. Or something like that? That is in the first conversation aboard the ship after Eden Prime. Or are we talking about different things here?
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Post by themikefest on Jun 6, 2021 16:03:37 GMT
Two reasons why I would. 1)Taking her there would bring some closure after what happened on Eden Prime. It gives her a moment to reflect on her unit that was lost. 2) Javik will have a different line of dialogue based on your ems when on the ship. i meant to comment on this earlier, but does Javik actually have different dialogue based on EMS? I know he has different dialogue depending when you pick him up. - If you pick him up early (before completing Tuchanka) he mentions how you think the Reapers are winning. - If you pick him up soon after Tuchanka, he comments about how you had a recent victory - If you pick him up soon after completing Rannoch, he comments about how you think you are winning. - If you pick him up after Thessia, he comments about you feel desperate. Or something like that? That is in the first conversation aboard the ship after Eden Prime. Or are we talking about different things here? When he first grabs Shepard on the ship. If ems is high enough, he will say you believe you are winning. Of course if ems is high enough before the coup or the genophage, he will have that comment. It depends on the amount of assets collected when he's recruited. With the remaster, I haven't figured out what the cutoff point is yet.
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Post by themikefest on Jun 6, 2021 16:11:41 GMT
If everyone played like themikefest and tried to experience and appreciate the variance, that would be rewarding for the devs. Most never do, though, and all those resources and hard work never pay off in those cases. There are some playthroughs I've done that folks wouldn't want to do. Here's a few things that someone can do. Take Vega and T'soni to Sur'Kesh. Before activating the elevator, move to the left to look at the scenery. There's a marker to activate. All three characters will have some dialogue. Save the turian platoon just before doing Thessia, then disarm the bomb after Sanctuary for different dialogue from Hackett. If possible, take T'soni and Vega on the geth dreadnought. They will have dialogue talking about slavery vs death. Not sure if this is based on what was done in ME2, but I found their dialogue to be the best in that scenario of all characters.
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Post by winterking on Jun 11, 2021 12:48:15 GMT
The last mission of Leviathan should be done after Thessia.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Jun 13, 2021 7:31:19 GMT
Oh, right forgot about that. There are some LI lines in Leviathan and you fight banshees. Wouldn't make sense to start Leviathan before the Ardat-yakshi mission. Imagine having an LI. I'd love to but Bioware says NO to FemShep and any other ladies besides the tiny side romances like Kelly and Traynor. Except of course for Liara, the dev pet. Can't imagine why people would be annoyed by her/that.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 14, 2021 20:03:55 GMT
I usually do From Ashes and Omega fairly on as in during thr Turian Krogan arc Leviathan aroumnd midgame after the Citadel coup whils tworking through the Quarian/Geth par tof the game and Citadel during the endgame. Though given the way a lot of the DLC weapons are locked now in the game and the fact you have to buy them you may want to start Citadel earlier in order to earn credits from the Arena but that's up to you.
This is how I'm planning omn doing it in my current run. Also how I tend to normally play it. Surkesh From Ashes Grissom Academy Omega the rest of the turian/Krogan arc Citadel Coup Then I tend to mix up Leviathan in with doing the Asari quests aqnd the Quarian/Geth arc as for exactly what order this can changeI fi decide to open up Citadel DLC early like I hav ein m ycurrent playthrough then I also mix this up in there as well. I always save the Citadel party though until I'm ready to start the finale. After the Quarian/Geth arc then obviously Thessia and Sanctuary.
If I haven't started the Citadel DLC yet and I plan on playing it tthen this is when I will and do it all in one go. If I've only go tthe part yleft this is when I'll have that. After the party then comes the finale
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Post by 14thcommander on Jun 15, 2021 13:09:58 GMT
Oh, right forgot about that. There are some LI lines in Leviathan and you fight banshees. Wouldn't make sense to start Leviathan before the Ardat-yakshi mission. Imagine having an LI. I'd love to but Bioware says NO to FemShep and any other ladies besides the tiny side romances like Kelly and Traynor. Except of course for Liara, the dev pet. Can't imagine why people would be annoyed by her/that. Right but it's not the character's fault lmao. If you don't like her because she's preferred by the devs, that's a shit excuse. You're better off not liking her cause of her personality, anything else is just a hate train. I know you don't like her cause of how she is but I'm just saying, not a good argument to bring up against a character, of being the favorite. Also, still BW's fault for not adding more female love interests that are on the squad. With Allers and Traynor it feels like they were just shoved in their to appease people wanting to romance Ash, Miranda and Jack as FemShep and they all feel cheap and quickly put together. A LI that doesn't fight by your side isn't a LI at all. They did that shit in Inquisition and it still irks me to this day. Can't romance Cassandra, Josephine doesn't fight, and if you don't like Sera's eccentric personality you're screwed. Which is weird because in DA2 (lmao) you could romance all 4 LI's with either Female or Male Hawke. BW stop regressing challenge.
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Post by Element Zero on Jun 16, 2021 13:47:40 GMT
Oh, right forgot about that. There are some LI lines in Leviathan and you fight banshees. Wouldn't make sense to start Leviathan before the Ardat-yakshi mission. Imagine having an LI. I'd love to but Bioware says NO to FemShep and any other ladies besides the tiny side romances like Kelly and Traynor. Except of course for Liara, the dev pet. Can't imagine why people would be annoyed by her/that. There's Kaidan. His romance arc, like the rest of the character, is one of the very best of the series. It's very grown up and believable, particularly considering the context of a BioWare game.
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