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Post by AnDromedary on Jul 9, 2021 20:32:53 GMT
Whatever they produce will have to be much better executed than Anthem and better across the board than ME:A. Even then, fans of previous titles are not necessarily going to accept the direction Bioware go with a sequel. I've read people writing that Mass Effect went down hill after the original let alone by the time Andromeda came round! Mainly I hope that the technical and staffing problems have been addressed, allowing them to at least move forward with whatever they have envisaged. Personally, I am not in favour of Shepherd returning. Multiple reasons but in short I think that it has run its course. I am currently replaying ME:A (a bit of MP too) and the real downside for me is still the basic scripting of characters (Ryder included) and delivery of the story. On top of that I think there are minor issues across the board. It's not impossible to break the downward trend - the OT isn't without critique but with increasing pressure from world events and past failures you can't help but worry a little about how it turns out. I am one of the people who say that the ME franchise went downhill since ME1 (at least in terms of narrative, gameplay got better with time).
However, unless the next one is a complete disaster I'll still buy on release. Why? Because there is simply no competition in this sector. here is no other game that captures the scope of the ME universe, the characters, the kind of gameplay that I like, etc. in a scifi setting. Some have tried. I had some hopes for The Outer Worlds for example and it is a pretty great game but it goes too far into Fallout and comedy territory to really be a competitor (and of course, the scale of everything is somewhat smaller).
In the fantasy genre, at least you have something like The Witcher, which is pretty close to all the things I like about Dragon Age and there have been other pretty decent competitors on a smaller budget, such as Greedfall but in SciFi/space opera territory, Mass Effect, despite its success, still pretty much stands alone.
Andromeda certainly had its issues (again, most prominently in the writing) but I still kinda love the game because it does the mass Effect thing and no one else does. So if they make a new ME game, even if it's not great, I'll probably still gobble it up simply because of the lack of alternatives. I am fairly sure I am not the only one like this and that's why I actually think that the next ME has a very good chance of being another success, even if it isn't perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 20:43:26 GMT
I said 3 posts ago... IF that's what the "fans" want, that's what they'll ultimately get... You're the one who just doesn't get it. Now, I'm going to quite clearly say... we're done here. Bye... Sayonara... it's not been a pleasure talking with you. If the point is to have a conversation to not examine another point of view, if an argument is to be made, for or against something, what are you here for? You're not "examining another point of view" - you're repeatedly construing your own imaginary spin on everything I try to say... causing me to continually repeat myself in trying to make you "understand" what I'm saying instead of being so locked into your erroneous ideas about what I'm saying... which is essentially as futile as Bioware will have in "pleasing" you. We're done here... I'm not repeating myself again. It's not a pleasure to go through these hoops with YOU time and again. You're blocked, again... We're done... don't bother responding or even reading what I post, OK?... and I'm here right now because I want to be, for now anyways.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 9, 2021 20:53:01 GMT
You're not "examining another point of view" - you're repeatedly construing your own imaginary spin on everything I try to say... causing me to continually repeat myself in trying to make you "understand" what I'm saying instead of being so locked into your erroneous ideas about what I'm saying. We're done here... I'm not repeating myself again. It's not a pleasure to go through these hoops with YOU time and again. You're blocked, again... We're done... don't bother responding or even reading why I post, OK? Oh, I understand perfectly what you're saying. You're saying fans are wrong for disliking what Bioware is doing. Then you proceed to call me erroneous for pointing out that maybe this isn't something that just happened, but brand damage is real and persistent. Then you proceed to block me and declare yourself a winner. You're an absolute champ.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 21:13:47 GMT
You're not "examining another point of view" - you're repeatedly construing your own imaginary spin on everything I try to say... causing me to continually repeat myself in trying to make you "understand" what I'm saying instead of being so locked into your erroneous ideas about what I'm saying. We're done here... I'm not repeating myself again. It's not a pleasure to go through these hoops with YOU time and again. You're blocked, again... We're done... don't bother responding or even reading why I post, OK? Oh, I understand perfectly what you're saying. You're saying fans are wrong for disliking what Bioware is doing. Then you proceed to call me erroneous for pointing out that maybe this isn't something that just happened, but brand damage is real and persistent. Then you proceed to block me and declare yourself a winner. You're an absolute champ. Not what I'm saying at all... not that you'll ever recognize that fact. You also apparently do not understand what a request to quit responding is saying either. I've watched you carry on like this with other people during the 6 months I wasn't even a member here. It's truly laughable how you accuse others of being in a vacuum when you are so obviously the one there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 21:34:37 GMT
Whatever they produce will have to be much better executed than Anthem and better across the board than ME:A. Even then, fans of previous titles are not necessarily going to accept the direction Bioware go with a sequel. I've read people writing that Mass Effect went down hill after the original let alone by the time Andromeda came round! Mainly I hope that the technical and staffing problems have been addressed, allowing them to at least move forward with whatever they have envisaged. Personally, I am not in favour of Shepherd returning. Multiple reasons but in short I think that it has run its course. I am currently replaying ME:A (a bit of MP too) and the real downside for me is still the basic scripting of characters (Ryder included) and delivery of the story. On top of that I think there are minor issues across the board. It's not impossible to break the downward trend - the OT isn't without critique but with increasing pressure from world events and past failures you can't help but worry a little about how it turns out. I am one of the people who say that the ME franchise went downhill since ME1 (at least in terms of narrative, gameplay got better with time).
However, unless the next one is a complete disaster I'll still buy on release. Why? Because there is simply no competition in this sector. here is no other game that captures the scope of the ME universe, the characters, the kind of gameplay that I like, etc. in a scifi setting. Some have tried. I had some hopes for The Outer Worlds for example and it is a pretty great game but it goes too far into Fallout and comedy territory to really be a competitor (and of course, the scale of everything is somewhat smaller).
In the fantasy genre, at least you have something like The Witcher, which is pretty close to all the things I like about Dragon Age and there have been other pretty decent competitors on a smaller budget, such as Greedfall but in SciFi/space opera territory, Mass Effect, despite its success, still pretty much stands alone.
Andromeda certainly had its issues (again, most prominently in the writing) but I still kinda love the game because it does the mass Effect thing and no one else does. So if they make a new ME game, even if it's not great, I'll probably still gobble it up simply because of the lack of alternatives. I am fairly sure I am not the only one like this and that's why I actually think that the next ME has a very good chance of being another success, even if it isn't perfect.
I'm of the opinion that ME1's writing is vastly superior to ME2 or ME3 or ME:A for that matter. All of them have their own writing flaws, IMO. However, I can accept your assessment. I still don't think it's reasonable to expect that Bioware can just return to the writing "style" of ME1 simply because the writers that wrote that game are long gone. It's not that Bioware hasn't tried. They have. They just can't. The writing team is different than it was. ME:A wasn't even written by Mac Walters... they hired Chris Schlerf to write it... so even hiring someone new hasn't worked for them.
As further evidence... Basically every writing idea for a sequel presented here on the forums by various fans (other than me) has ultimately met with rejection and criticism as well... and that has been going on for years as well.
Frankly, I just don't see a way out... a way that Bioware (as it exists) can possibly please the fans... so maybe the best thing is for EA to close that studio. Move people to some other one who they think they can use elsewhere... and sell off the franchise to some other studio... where maybe the fans would place more faith in that studio than they have in Bioware. However, I believe there is also a consequence to that... it would probably lose a lot of its "Mass Effect-ness" in the process.
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Post by mgsmsc on Jul 9, 2021 21:46:29 GMT
Whatever they produce will have to be much better executed than Anthem and better across the board than ME:A. Even then, fans of previous titles are not necessarily going to accept the direction Bioware go with a sequel. I've read people writing that Mass Effect went down hill after the original let alone by the time Andromeda came round! Mainly I hope that the technical and staffing problems have been addressed, allowing them to at least move forward with whatever they have envisaged. Personally, I am not in favour of Shepherd returning. Multiple reasons but in short I think that it has run its course. I am currently replaying ME:A (a bit of MP too) and the real downside for me is still the basic scripting of characters (Ryder included) and delivery of the story. On top of that I think there are minor issues across the board. It's not impossible to break the downward trend - the OT isn't without critique but with increasing pressure from world events and past failures you can't help but worry a little about how it turns out. I am one of the people who say that the ME franchise went downhill since ME1 (at least in terms of narrative, gameplay got better with time).
However, unless the next one is a complete disaster I'll still buy on release. Why? Because there is simply no competition in this sector. here is no other game that captures the scope of the ME universe, the characters, the kind of gameplay that I like, etc. in a scifi setting. Some have tried. I had some hopes for The Outer Worlds for example and it is a pretty great game but it goes too far into Fallout and comedy territory to really be a competitor (and of course, the scale of everything is somewhat smaller).
In the fantasy genre, at least you have something like The Witcher, which is pretty close to all the things I like about Dragon Age and there have been other pretty decent competitors on a smaller budget, such as Greedfall but in SciFi/space opera territory, Mass Effect, despite its success, still pretty much stands alone.
Andromeda certainly had its issues (again, most prominently in the writing) but I still kinda love the game because it does the mass Effect thing and no one else does. So if they make a new ME game, even if it's not great, I'll probably still gobble it up simply because of the lack of alternatives. I am fairly sure I am not the only one like this and that's why I actually think that the next ME has a very good chance of being another success, even if it isn't perfect.
I agree that competition is going to be a factor in commercial and critical success. Not just in terms of a sci fi niche but the originality and quality of other games too. I'm not sure if I would've got MEA at launch with hindsight. Probably more down to the various updates than overall quality but I guess thats another story.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Jul 9, 2021 21:48:32 GMT
Not what I'm saying at all... No. As usual, you're not saying anything, at all and I am talking to myself. Obviously.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 10, 2021 19:44:59 GMT
I am playing ME3 now and loving it but Mac Walters' no Drew Karpyshyn, it's nowhere near as tightly written as ME2 and ME1 and clearly quite rushed, but features the best crafted gameplay and major events of the series- but that ending's the real honest kicker because no matter how much you change anything with modifications of any kind it will always feel unfulfilling because of the logical fallacy inherent in the premise of the choices presented to you. Never played JAM? I never see Catalyst and I never make choices. It's dead Reapers and live Shepard.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 10, 2021 19:45:52 GMT
If the writing's not going to improve then it's already a completely lost cause. Unfortunately, it's probably a lost cause.
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