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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 16:15:25 GMT
Another oof. Damn. Edit: shadows and lighting. Unbelievably butchered in LE. Shiala... what in the actual fuck? They changed her face, and the lighting in that entire scene is weird. Spray tan FTW, hooray superficiality
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 17, 2021 19:29:40 GMT
It's not one to one though as someone who's reached 100% Achievement Completion it's a significant upgrade to the original Mass Effect in a lot of areas but also a significant downgrade across the entire Trilogy. I have not seen a single thing that makes me think that in 150 hours. Nor I in the 477 hours/2 playthrough's I've spent playing it.
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I have not seen a single thing that makes me think that in 150 hours. Nor I in the 477 hours/2 playthrough's I've spent playing it. Good for you? That you are not bothered by what I can see in these latest two videos, in particular what they've done with Shiala... let me say, in the kindest way, that our tastes differ and what looks visually immersive to us is vastly different. I am happy for you that you like this, and also feel that if this is the way forward, on a steady slope of decline, then please let me off this ride.
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Nor I in the 477 hours/2 playthrough's I've spent playing it. Good for you? That you are not bothered by what I can see in these latest two videos, in particular what they've done with Shiala... let me say, in the kindest way, that our tastes differ and what looks visually immersive to us is vastly different. I am happy for you that you like this, and also feel that if this is the way forward, on a steady slope of decline, then please let me off this ride. The problem here is that gaming is an incredibly individualistic experience dictated not only by the tastes of the individuals playing, or in your case not playing, but in hardware or software intereactions. Though I think Ferros is one of the best examples of improvements between the LE and the OT. As well as Virmire and Eden Prime.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2021 22:32:22 GMT
On Feros, what I saw were a couple moments of actually "correct" lighting (shadows seemed correct per available light source), in a brown-washed world that lost tons of detail, because? Art direction?
In a "remaster" where everything's texture seems to be most important, they obscure a lot of the textures for brown fog. Bizarre.
Orange skin. Lots of orange skin. Very orange. And in almost every case, in a one-to-one comparison that (I assume) was made on the same machine with the same Shepard face code (default) with best settings available to the machine, the shadows in the LE are gone in most cases, replaced with flat interview lighting. No drama, no realism.
Absolutely some of this is subjective. I work in Film, as a Gaffer. My job is to make light dramatic or flat depending on the subject matter and the desire of the Director of Photography. It is often my job to literally sit in a chair next to the DP and watch the footage as we shoot, just to watch for lighting problems - strange shadows, strange light motivation, light leaking in from something/somewhere, etc. So yeah, I am paying special attention to lighting because I have learned it does have a powerful effect on storytelling.
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Post by sugarless on Aug 18, 2021 0:52:53 GMT
Another oof. Damn. Edit: shadows and lighting. Unbelievably butchered in LE. Shiala... what in the actual fuck? They changed her face, and the lighting in that entire scene is weird. Spray tan FTW, hooray superficiality I have to agree that they made Shiala look rather dull/flat compared to her original appearance/lighting/shadows. Although you have to admit, Kaidan and Ashley's faces look much better and less....plasticine. Some of the original lighting/shadowed parts of ME1 were rather bad - that scene with Wrex, where you could barely see him was not a deliberate ploy to make the simple conversation "darker" or more "dramatic" - it was just subpar lighting.
There are still some areas where it is too dark or too light in MELE. Or maybe, (I don't know because not technically minded) upgrading everything to 4K meant some ott lighting/colouring/shading had to be applied?
As seems to be the dilemma with all games, the companies charged with remastering the OT probably did not have enough time to iron out all of the wrinkles. Hopefully they are taking time to correct some of this in their next patch.
At the end of the day, BW were never going to be able to please everyone, whether it's with the lighting, cc or story telling.
And especially for people like the guy who made those videos, they are (thankfully) in the minority because truthfully, the majority of people who bought MELE probably don't even notice the examples shown in his vids.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 18, 2021 1:13:29 GMT
Good for you? That you are not bothered by what I can see in these latest two videos, in particular what they've done with Shiala... let me say, in the kindest way, that our tastes differ and what looks visually immersive to us is vastly different. I am happy for you that you like this, and also feel that if this is the way forward, on a steady slope of decline, then please let me off this ride. The problem here is that gaming is an incredibly individualistic experience dictated not only by the tastes of the individuals playing, or in your case not playing, but in hardware or software intereactions. Though I think Ferros is one of the best examples of improvements between the LE and the OT. As well as Virmire and Eden Prime. Yeah I must admit I really like how the water looks on Virmire it looked nice in the original but it looks really quiet realistic now despite the gam ebeing on an old engine. Th efact tha tEden Prime looks moer like a proper settlement was a nice improvement too.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2021 4:34:57 GMT
Here is a shot by shot comparison between the OT and the LE... The OT. TThe LE Now can't speak for everyone but as far as I am concerned the LE represents a quantum leap in visual fidelity, lighting looks way better, character models are almost human like, and the background is a lot more...ominious...instead of just a gray formless mass it has definition but in a way which adds to the overall creepyness of the environment.
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Post by FiendishlyInventive on Aug 18, 2021 11:58:48 GMT
OT on what platform?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 18, 2021 12:00:50 GMT
colfoleyBut that is entirely unrepresentative of the overall product, as lighting is inconsistent, with various flaws of its own, in either version. If there is a case to be made, is for consoles and specifically for texture quality. For everything else, PC modded, ReShade with RT will look better. You can't get better lighting than RT. This is not negotiable.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 18, 2021 12:45:26 GMT
I'm oddly reminded of the 30 vs 60 FPS discussion and all those "the human eyes can't tell the difference" and "30 FPS is a more filmic experience" arguments.
I'd likely only notice the very obvious c*ck ups like Shiala because I find her original look very memorable, including the scene's lighting, but it does seem that a lot of lighting was simplified and made more uniform.
Can I holster my gun now?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 18, 2021 13:37:23 GMT
Another oof. Damn. Edit: shadows and lighting. Unbelievably butchered in LE. Shiala... what in the actual fuck? They changed her face, and the lighting in that entire scene is weird. Spray tan FTW, hooray superficiality I have to agree that they made Shiala look rather dull/flat compared to her original appearance/lighting/shadows. Although you have to admit, Kaidan and Ashley's faces look much better and less....plasticine. Some of the original lighting/shadowed parts of ME1 were rather bad - that scene with Wrex, where you could barely see him was not a deliberate ploy to make the simple conversation "darker" or more "dramatic" - it was just subpar lighting.
There are still some areas where it is too dark or too light in MELE. Or maybe, (I don't know because not technically minded) upgrading everything to 4K meant some ott lighting/colouring/shading had to be applied?
As seems to be the dilemma with all games, the companies charged with remastering the OT probably did not have enough time to iron out all of the wrinkles. Hopefully they are taking time to correct some of this in their next patch.
At the end of the day, BW were never going to be able to please everyone, whether it's with the lighting, cc or story telling.
And especially for people like the guy who made those videos, they are (thankfully) in the minority because truthfully, the majority of people who bought MELE probably don't even notice the examples shown in his vids.
Yeah at the end of the day you're never going to completely please everyone It's one of the main reasons wh you should always make suer you hav eenough information about a product befoer you decide whether or not to buy it. I was happy enough with the info I got about the changes which was why I got it. I'm glad for the LE and I hope it gets the patches it needs to fix any lingering issues peopl eaer suffering from but what some like others hate it's just the way things are. Generall ywhen it comes to things I hate I jus tdon't touch themand forge tthey even exist I don't go around moaning for everabou tthem lik esome people seem to do these days.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2021 17:13:59 GMT
Listen Sharp... We put up with your difficulties, no need to start flaming anybody here ok?
The "pleasing everyone" is a cop-out. Of course you won't please everyone (they didn't fix the endings or even many vanilla bugs) but the game was not a remake, it is a remaster. Fixing graphical things is a pretty specific goal, and they managed to fuck up at least as much as they improved.
Why some of you need to defend BioWare for this sort of stuff is always boggling to the mind. Do they have you on a retainer?
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Listen Sharp... We put up with your difficulties, no need to start flaming anybody here ok? The "pleasing everyone" is a cop-out. Of course you won't please everyone (they didn't fix the endings or even many vanilla bugs) but the game was not a remake, it is a remaster. Fixing graphical things is a pretty specific goal, and they managed to fuck up at least as much as they approve. Why some of you need to defend BioWare for this sort of stuff is always boggling to the mind. Do they have you on a retainer? No I was just pointing out that I agreed wit hthem It seems you're the one with the problem here not me.
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Listen Sharp... We put up with your difficulties, no need to start flaming anybody here ok? The "pleasing everyone" is a cop-out. Of course you won't please everyone (they didn't fix the endings or even many vanilla bugs) but the game was not a remake, it is a remaster. Fixing graphical things is a pretty specific goal, and they managed to fuck up at least as much as they approve. Why some of you need to defend BioWare for this sort of stuff is always boggling to the mind. Do they have you on a retainer? or differences of opinion/ taste? I see nothing wrong with LE Ferros. I see LE Shiala as an improvement. Or are we to conclude that you are retained by one of BioWare's competitors simply because all you do is post negative commentary about Bioware?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 18, 2021 22:17:46 GMT
Shiala definitely looked better in the original ME1, but not surprising considering how many characters they ruined in the remaster.
Environments look better, people look worse.
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Post by sugarless on Aug 18, 2021 22:42:23 GMT
Listen Sharp... We put up with your difficulties, no need to start flaming anybody here ok? The "pleasing everyone" is a cop-out. Of course you won't please everyone (they didn't fix the endings or even many vanilla bugs) but the game was not a remake, it is a remaster. Fixing graphical things is a pretty specific goal, and they managed to fuck up at least as much as they approve. Why some of you need to defend BioWare for this sort of stuff is always boggling to the mind. Do they have you on a retainer? Who pissed in your corn flakes this morning? Get real! No one is defending Bioware rather defending their differing opinions about the lighting/shadows or the game in general. I only made that comment about "not being able to please everyone" because it's true. Some of you spurned BW/ME critics simply have to accept the fact that the majority of people who play ME still enjoy the game, faults and all, and don't waste time or energy sweating the stuff that will never be changed. That said, the more serious MELE lighting/shading problems should be addressed asap, such as darker-skinned Sheps being insufficiently illuminated in the game so that players don't have to figure out a workaround. Environments look better, people look worse. I beg to differ. Ashley, Kaidan, and even Anderson look far better in MELE than their plasticine selves in the original ME1.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 18, 2021 22:56:06 GMT
Environments look better, people look worse. I beg to differ. Ashley, Kaidan, and even Anderson look far better in MELE than their plasticine selves in the original ME1. I disagree. They look wrong in ME1LE. And other characters were just ruined completely, or do you disagree with that as well?
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Post by sugarless on Aug 18, 2021 22:57:52 GMT
I beg to differ. Ashley, Kaidan, and even Anderson look far better in MELE than their plasticine selves in the original ME1. I disagree. They look wrong in ME1LE. And other characters were just ruined completely, or do you disagree with that as well? To be frank, I disagree with nearly everything you say. But especially this.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 18, 2021 23:06:29 GMT
I disagree. They look wrong in ME1LE. And other characters were just ruined completely, or do you disagree with that as well? To be frank, I disagree with nearly everything you say. But especially this. So you think Kelly looks better for example? Heck you even above said Shiala doesn't look as good, so how can you disagree? Also good to know. It'll make it easier dealing with you in the future.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 18, 2021 23:58:41 GMT
Listen Sharp... We put up with your difficulties, no need to start flaming anybody here ok? The "pleasing everyone" is a cop-out. Of course you won't please everyone (they didn't fix the endings or even many vanilla bugs) but the game was not a remake, it is a remaster. Fixing graphical things is a pretty specific goal, and they managed to fuck up at least as much as they approve. Why some of you need to defend BioWare for this sort of stuff is always boggling to the mind. Do they have you on a retainer? Who pissed in your corn flakes this morning? Get real! No one is defending Bioware rather defending their differing opinions about the lighting/shadows or the game in general. I only made that comment about "not being able to please everyone" because it's true. Some of you spurned BW/ME critics simply have to accept the fact that the majority of people who play ME still enjoy the game, faults and all, and don't waste time or energy sweating the stuff that will never be changed. That said, the more serious MELE lighting/shading problems should be addressed asap, such as darker-skinned Sheps being insufficiently illuminated in the game so that players don't have to figure out a workaround. Environments look better, people look worse. I beg to differ. Ashley, Kaidan, and even Anderson look far better in MELE than their plasticine selves in the original ME1. Yeah I'd say that at theend of the day the ya tleast look a lot moer coinsistent across the trilogy now other than Ashley's ME3 hairdo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2021 1:05:11 GMT
Lol.
I love it when someone argues with me in a thread, and undresses themselves before I get to respond. Bravo!
I praised BioWare for years, years before some of you had even heard of their products. There is a reason that sentence is in the past-tense.
I obviously still love Mass Effect, and most of Dragon Age.
I am glad you feel your money is well spent. You can be glad I saved mine. We all win.
The thread title is "Compromised Ports". If you cannot stomach the truth, abandon the thread. The evidence, whether it matters to you or not, is irrefutable and arguing the point is ridiculous.
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Post by sugarless on Aug 19, 2021 23:49:31 GMT
To be frank, I disagree with nearly everything you say. But especially this. So you think Kelly looks better for example? Heck you even above said Shiala doesn't look as good, so how can you disagree? Also good to know. It'll make it easier dealing with you in the future. The only thing that changed was Kelly's hair. It's not a big deal to me personally because I always found her annoying af. Sorry for any of you that miss her original hair.
I agree Shiala's appearance changed dramatically and not for the best in MELE. But since her role in the game is minor, I can live with this change. OTOH Kaidan, Ashley and Anderson are fixtures in the trilogy and their appearance was significantly improved in ME1's MELE. Unless ofc you like looking at featureless, shadowless plasticine heads.
Dealing with me in the future? Get over yourself. We hardly cross paths as it is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 20, 2021 0:20:15 GMT
So you think Kelly looks better for example? Heck you even above said Shiala doesn't look as good, so how can you disagree? Also good to know. It'll make it easier dealing with you in the future. The only thing that changed was Kelly's hair. It's not a big deal to me personally because I always found her annoying af. Sorry for any of you that miss her original hair.
I agree Shiala's appearance changed dramatically and not for the best in MELE. But since her role in the game is minor, I can live with this change. OTOH Kaidan, Ashley and Anderson are fixtures in the trilogy and their appearance was significantly improved in ME1's MELE. Unless ofc you like looking at featureless, shadowless plasticine heads.
Dealing with me in the future? Get over yourself. We hardly cross paths as it is.
A lot more than just the hair. And those you mention look far more lifeless in MELE. But since you’re this objectively wrong, and with your attitude, no reason to continue with you.
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