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Post by burningcherry on Aug 3, 2021 10:48:22 GMT
I discovered this 10 minutes ago. How do you feel about that? Do you think it can be put to use?
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Post by Tonymac on Aug 3, 2021 14:44:33 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but how is it glitched?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 14:56:00 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but how is it glitched? I am going to assume it is similarly glitched as Incinerate/Inferno Grenades/Warp/etc, as in the damage from Incendiary Ammo will stack. But I don't know a damned thing hehe. ETA: uh, no, I don't think it can be used to achieve much. Reegar would abuse it obviously. I suck with this kit though, so what are you thinking cherry?
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Post by Tonymac on Aug 3, 2021 15:06:23 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but how is it glitched? I am going to assume it is similarly glitched as Incinerate/Inferno Grenades/Warp/etc, as in the damage from Incendiary Ammo will stack. But I don't know a damned thing hehe. ETA: uh, no, I don't think it can be used to achieve much. Reegar would abuse it obviously. I suck with this kit though, so what are you thinking cherry? *in my Neo voice* Grenades. Arc Grenades - lots of Arc Grenades!
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 3, 2021 15:34:15 GMT
Forgive me for asking, but how is it glitched? I am going to assume it is similarly glitched as Incinerate/Inferno Grenades/Warp/etc, as in the damage from Incendiary Ammo will stack. But I don't know a damned thing hehe. ETA: uh, no, I don't think it can be used to achieve much. Reegar would abuse it obviously. I suck with this kit though, so what are you thinking cherry? Yes, this thing, if you're using the 5A "Fire damage" evo. I also suck with this kit but I just have to try how this thing works. How do you spec his passives, power&capacity–headshot damage–weapon damage?
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Post by almurat89 on Aug 3, 2021 16:17:34 GMT
I suck with this kit too, so I have a quetstions about hammers: 1) does EH 5A evo encrease direct damage to armour or add +50% armour dmg multiplier as I heard before? 2) what does BH 6A evo exactly do? Does it pass through armour/shields as description says?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:40:29 GMT
I suck with this kit too, so I have a quetstions about hammers: 1) does EH 5A evo encrease direct damage to armour or add +50% armour dmg multiplier as I heard before? 2) what does BH 6A evo exactly do? Does it pass through armour/shields as description says? 1 - I don't believe it does anything special to armor. IIRC, Fire Damage from a power (Ammo is a power) is straight damage. I am not the expert here by a mile though.
2 - It acts like Lash with the Shield-ignoring evo on 6. Basically, Power Hammer will wreck an un-bubbled Phantom, Hunter, Centurion, etc, and stagger everything. From what I remember, the min/max on this makes 6B the correct choice mathematically. I have used Power Hammer, don't think it is amazing but again I also suck with this kit.
I can't play him in the wild without a Reegar. He gets surrounded quickly, and is way too easy for sync kills. Must be ready to nuke Banshees if you get swamped, because Reegar/Hammer won't help you with two of them and friends. It's the damned teleporting!
Well, guess I need to go scrub it up in a UUG quick-match as Big Dumb. Will post results.
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Post by Boatinhovic111 on Aug 3, 2021 16:48:39 GMT
I suck with this kit too, so I have a quetstions about hammers: 1) does EH 5A evo encrease direct damage to armour or add +50% armour dmg multiplier as I heard before? 2) what does BH 6A evo exactly do? Does it pass through armour/shields as description says?
2 - It acts like Lash with the Shield-ignoring evo on 6. Basically, Power Hammer will wreck an un-bubbled Phantom, Hunter, Centurion, etc, and stagger everything. From what I remember, the min/max on this makes 6B the correct choice mathematically. I have used Power Hammer, don't think it is amazing but again I also suck with this kit.
It knocks down units that cannot be ragdolled like Pyros, Dragoons and Geth Bombers too, assuming they don't die from the damage (they usually do). It's mostly a panic button for when you're surrounded.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 16:58:34 GMT
Remember the kids game, "The floor is lava"?
Everywhere that isn't a ramp is lava for this kit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 17:32:14 GMT
Well, that went better than expected. This build is weird and experimental. You can see build at the end, but essentially I went for all power damage mostly. This is not an "optimal" build I don't think, but it does maximize cheese. Anyways, video is still uploading. I only died once, which is rare for me with this kit. I danced around it several times, but I think if you panic with this kit you are doomed, and you need to trust Rage. Worked out mostly, Crusader is OP, and I am a scrub.
Good grief.... this upload will take a while. Check back in 2hrs
Edit: burningcherry, here is my build, since I don't expect you to wait for this upload. I built it, and immediately understood all of your questions.
Tech Armor: Durability, Power Damage, Durability (my usual build for him, except I have always taken 5B. I struggle using TA offensively with him, doesn't synergize for me)
Biotic Hammer: Skip
Electrical Hammer: Shields & Barrier, Fire Damage, Number of Charges (these are all interesting choices, chose number of charges thinking I don't want combos I want DoT)
Passive: Damage & Capacity, Power Damage, Weapon Damage (especially with 4 charges, and 4b, I don't give a single eff about CDs)
Rage: Rage Rage Rage
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Results? I shot things, hammered them. Sometimes I hammered then shot. I tried to do both at different moments, to see if I could feel the results. If I understand the glitch properly, shooting first is key and that did seem to bear out. This was a pug quickmatch, nice newer players, and we actually got 3WS. I did wreck shit, ran like a chicken a bit too. Lots of ramps on Reactor, but I really didn't abuse them much against Rippaz.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 17:37:36 GMT
Do you have the delay fix? I rarely host so while I downloaded it a while ago I still haven't used it, so I don't use the Crusader very often. *** Random tangent, I decided in honour of MELE to mod ME1 and give it a go. Spent the better part of a morning and afternoon doing it (cause I'm a tard and had to use a backup) but the results are quite nice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 17:44:37 GMT
Do you have the delay fix? I rarely host so while I downloaded it a while ago I still haven't used it, so I don't use the Crusader very often. *** Random tangent, I decided in honour of MELE to mod ME1 and give it a go. Spent the better part of a morning and afternoon doing it (cause I'm a tard and had to use a backup) but the results are quite nice. I absolutely do have the crusader.pcc (if that's what it's called, been a minute) installed. I used to use the ME3Tweaks shotgun fix, but it apparently OPs all the shotguns and is not allowed for solos without another asterisk. I have enough asterisks :/ On your diversion - yes, with MEUITM, ALoT and some of the newer stuff SirSourpuss has shown us on these forums, it can look amazing. I have to remod it, haven't done a run with the new lighting effect mods yet and they look quite impressive. Haven't played MELE, so I can't make a comparison of texture quality there, but it sure looks better than OG.
To end this off-topic aside - wow am I glad I didn't buy the LE. Just watched three videos on the visual downgrades on the games, and god damn. I mean god damn.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 3, 2021 19:09:17 GMT
Well, that went better than expected. This build is weird and experimental. You can see build at the end, but essentially I went for all power damage mostly. This is not an "optimal" build I don't think, but it does maximize cheese. Anyways, video is still uploading. I only died once, which is rare for me with this kit. I danced around it several times, but I think if you panic with this kit you are doomed, and you need to trust Rage. Worked out mostly, Crusader is OP, and I am a scrub. While it's still uploading: Crusader with incendiary rounds? Incendiary starts doing damage only with its second hit, that's pretty bad on things that fire slowly. Even such a Crusader cultist as me is going to try this with the Venom. I suck with this kit too, so I have a quetstions about hammers: 1) does EH 5A evo encrease direct damage to armour or add +50% armour dmg multiplier as I heard before? It adds a flat damage of 250 points over 5 seconds with 1/2/1/1 health/armor/shield/barrier modifiers, and it's using the same DoT effect as incendiary ammo. When something like that happens (i.e. both sources of this effect work at the same time), the ammo does damage with the power's modifiers, meaning that if a target was hit by Electrical Hammer immediately before being fired at with incendiary ammo, the ammo damage vs armor is doubled and also you deal damage to shields and barriers that is equal to the unbuffed health damage. The 1 shield modifier should prove particularly great since both Warp and Incinerate have low shield modifiers and heavy shields used to be a problem for this glitch.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 3, 2021 19:49:26 GMT
OK so some observations after playing a bit, I landed in a Glacier/Geth/Gold lobby and stood there for 2 sub-17 matches. The build was this, 6B because I don't want to lose my imbuement if I stop keeping track of it. – I've been missing on this guy as a Venom platform. You can charge while hammering and never actually stop firing your weapon even though you're a Warlord. – The cheese works and is indeed strong against shields. – Fire combos also work nicely. – Geth Primes just cease to exist, leaving "Electrical Hammer" kill feeds even though you're already away.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2021 19:51:10 GMT
Derp. Yeah, forgot about how it proc's.
Video is live now. As you observed, you won't see much in regards to the test case. Venom is just so iffy off-host sometimes, I think I will go Piranha and see how it goes.
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Post by Tonymac on Aug 4, 2021 14:57:30 GMT
Do you have the delay fix? I rarely host so while I downloaded it a while ago I still haven't used it, so I don't use the Crusader very often. *** Random tangent, I decided in honour of MELE to mod ME1 and give it a go. Spent the better part of a morning and afternoon doing it (cause I'm a tard and had to use a backup) but the results are quite nice. I absolutely do have the crusader.pcc (if that's what it's called, been a minute) installed. I used to use the ME3Tweaks shotgun fix, but it apparently OPs all the shotguns and is not allowed for solos without another asterisk. I have enough asterisks :/ On your diversion - yes, with MEUITM, ALoT and some of the newer stuff SirSourpuss has shown us on these forums, it can look amazing. I have to remod it, haven't done a run with the new lighting effect mods yet and they look quite impressive. Haven't played MELE, so I can't make a comparison of texture quality there, but it sure looks better than OG.
To end this off-topic aside - wow am I glad I didn't buy the LE. Just watched three videos on the visual downgrades on the games, and god damn. I mean god damn.
I avoided the LE based on some of what I've seen. Talk about a pile of dogshit cash grab. The characters look messed up, and textures just look terrible. Udina looks like he got melted in a fire or something. I'm not sure how they fucked something as wonderful as the original game up that badly.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 5, 2021 22:56:35 GMT
I've played some more, had Cerberus, had Reapers, had Collectors, had White hazard. Can confirm the Venom setup is perfectly Gold viable. I'm going to leave the +charges evo, fire combos do a good job. Edit: some details after completing my waves. All referring to Gold. Cerberus: Atlas is a dick. Phantoms make the use of Venom highly recommended (the accuracy is not a huge problem on this class IMO). Otherwise, it's OK. Geth: you're a Warlord, you need nothing more. Reapers: this is where the fun is, they get disrespected hard, all units but Brutes and Ravagers in particular. Collectors: beware for Scions with lag, otherwise no huge problems. The duration of the DoT is just 5 seconds so it needs to be renewed with every Venom clip, which is ok, you want to melee something. The build I settled on finally is this one, I think it gives enough survivability for everything while retaining short killing cycles. Also, a vid:
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Post by crashsuit on Aug 12, 2021 6:25:32 GMT
Not sure if this is related or not, but apparently there's another weird bug with electrical hammer, where putting points into it results in less points available for the other skill trees
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Post by DoctorDAM on Aug 12, 2021 10:05:47 GMT
Not sure if this is related or not, but apparently there's another weird bug with electrical hammer, where putting points into it results in less points available for the other skill trees ... not necessarily
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2021 14:23:29 GMT
Not sure if this is related or not, but apparently there's another weird bug with electrical hammer, where putting points into it results in less points available for the other skill trees Doesn't happen all the time though. I do recall this glitch, was an issue with several of the kits after that DLC dropped.
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Post by DoctorDAM on Aug 12, 2021 14:27:31 GMT
I think it was meant as a joke (as was my response). But both are accurate.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Aug 24, 2021 9:13:10 GMT
i have never needed my gun with this guys on gold, well it s usefull to use a graal stagger while you launch the backhand melee on a phantom. I went for EH two sessions ago (maybe july), cant remember much excepted it sucked in the sense of hitting more targets. I was counting on it to be the great thing about EH, and it almost never happens in a game even with husk and abos AFAIR (neither the steady HM, not the 3rd combo melee). burningcherry have you check the target cap ?. It was said to be 4 in cyonan hidden power attribute thread, but i fear it s an error. Anyway that glicth sure proves usefull for a speedrun, but kinda miss the purpose with him in my book. Could be a nice addition for bullet sponge on plat though, when there s more than one !
Someone got to try a reegar plat SR with that juicy 3*1.75 bonus vs shield & barrier
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 25, 2021 0:54:34 GMT
i have never needed my gun with this guys on gold, well it s usefull to use a graal stagger while you launch the backhand melee on a phantom. I went for EH two sessions ago (maybe july), cant remember much excepted it sucked in the sense of hitting more targets. I was counting on it to be the great thing about EH, and it almost never happens in a game even with husk and abos AFAIR (neither the steady HM, not the 3rd combo melee). burningcherry have you check the target cap ?. It was said to be 4 in cyonan hidden power attribute thread, but i fear it s an error. The files say 4 but that might have been changed by later balance changes, I don't know how to dive into those.
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