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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2021 20:15:59 GMT
Stopped a war between turians and humans. Literally the first thing they do with us. Only because the turians were too stupid too realise that attacking someone who doesn't know of the laws against opening Relays is a dumb move. So that one doesn't count. Still a good and the moral thing to do, so yes it absolutely still counts.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2021 20:19:07 GMT
Only because the turians were too stupid too realise that attacking someone who doesn't know of the laws against opening Relays is a dumb move. So that one doesn't count. Still a good and the moral thing to do, so yes it absolutely still counts. No it doesn't. Had the turians used what was between their ears the First Contact War wouldn't have happened in the first place.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 10, 2021 20:23:57 GMT
Still a good and the moral thing to do, so yes it absolutely still counts. No it doesn't. Had the turians used what was between their ears the First Contact War wouldn't have happened in the first place. And? Doesn't discount what the Council did. If you want to use this line of argument, it makes it really easy for me to prove the claim that CErberus is better and more moral as complete bullshit.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2021 20:30:28 GMT
No it doesn't. Had the turians used what was between their ears the First Contact War wouldn't have happened in the first place. And? Doesn't discount what the Council did. If you want to use this line of argument, it makes it really easy for me to prove the claim that CErberus is better and more moral as complete bullshit. Actually it does. The turians should have known that attacking someone who didn't know that opening inactive Relays is against the law is stupid. And since that they are a Council race, attacking someone who is new to the galactic scene would look bad on them.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2021 20:34:31 GMT
Which is also indictive again of the mindset of those in Council Space...see my comments on the Council Fleet being used to enforce their will...just in case Earth got uppity someday.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2021 20:52:30 GMT
Which is also indictive again of the mindset of those in Council Space...see my comments on the Council Fleet being used to enforce their will...just in case Earth got uppity someday. Also the turians fully intended to enslave humanity as one of their "client race". Which the Council has a problem with, yet the asari also practice salvery. And let's not forget that they allowed the batarians to enslave their own people and did nothing about it for years.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2021 20:56:52 GMT
Which is also indictive again of the mindset of those in Council Space...see my comments on the Council Fleet being used to enforce their will...just in case Earth got uppity someday. Also the turians fully intended to enslave humanity as one of their "client race". Which the Council has a problem with, yet the asari also practice salvery. And let's not forget that they allowed the batarians to enslave their own people and did nothing about it for years. The Asari do? And yeah I really like the Turians they are friendly, affible, cool, military war nerds and by far the better of the three races of the Council...but then it is pretty off putting them and their military personel talking about conquering 'your Earth' to their prisoner in the Citadel DLC. Maybe normal military bravado...but at the end of the day still indicitive of a mind set... oh and then there was the whole Taeterus planetary rebellion thing.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2021 20:58:46 GMT
Also the turians fully intended to enslave humanity as one of their "client race". Which the Council has a problem with, yet the asari also practice salvery. And let's not forget that they allowed the batarians to enslave their own people and did nothing about it for years. The Asari do? And yeah I really like the Turians they are friendly, affible, cool, military war nerds and by far the better of the three races of the Council...but then it is pretty off putting them and their military personel talking about conquering 'your Earth' to their prisoner in the Citadel DLC. Maybe normal military bravado...but at the end of the day still indicitive of a mind set... oh and then there was the whole Taeterus planetary rebellion thing. On Illium. You encounter a quarian in the bar who is a slave.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 10, 2021 21:00:24 GMT
The Asari do? And yeah I really like the Turians they are friendly, affible, cool, military war nerds and by far the better of the three races of the Council...but then it is pretty off putting them and their military personel talking about conquering 'your Earth' to their prisoner in the Citadel DLC. Maybe normal military bravado...but at the end of the day still indicitive of a mind set... oh and then there was the whole Taeterus planetary rebellion thing. On Illium. You encounter a quarian in the bar who is a slave. Indentured servant is not a slave. They are two different concepts.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 10, 2021 21:06:59 GMT
On Illium. You encounter a quarian in the bar who is a slave. Indentured servant is not a slave. They are two different concepts. Alright. It's still a eyebrow riser.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 13, 2021 6:31:27 GMT
On Illium. You encounter a quarian in the bar who is a slave. Indentured servant is not a slave. They are two different concepts. Very slippery slope. If you are unable to repay your debt then you are essentially a slave. They just don't call it that. Just for the hell of it. It's not the same but it's not that different. As it says, the term of servitude can be extended by making up crimes committed against their masters. i.imgur.com/vUuh1XR.jpg"
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Post by colfoley on Aug 13, 2021 6:55:27 GMT
Indentured servant is not a slave. They are two different concepts. Very slippery slope. If you are unable to repay your debt then you are essentially a slave. They just don't call it that. Just for the hell of it. It's not the same but it's not that different. As it says, the term of servitude can be extended by making up crimes committed against their masters. i.imgur.com/vUuh1XR.jpg" This comment was actually incredibly well thought and raises a perfectly valid point that I hadn't really considered and is more in depth then most comments people tend to give on this issue.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 16, 2021 19:09:03 GMT
The only thing that made sense to me is there was sort of a game mechanic/lore separation. Like they didn't have the game resources to create totally not a husk Cerberus experiment, but setting wise it wasn't technically a husk. But as a general rule I agree if you did the side missions it makes 0 sense that you would join them. Maybe not rejoin the alliance after they didn't even put in the effort to collect the dog tags from your crew, but I don't see you joining Cerberus. At least with the information you had. If they wanted this, they needed more of a reason behind it IMO. Let you leave and contact the alliance, Have expendable general #5 contact you and ask you to accept and join them in order to infiltrate them. Either have him a Cerberus spy, or get killed near the end so it just looks like you worked for Cerberus and still get arrested into ME3.
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Post by ahglock on Aug 16, 2021 19:16:47 GMT
Indentured servant is not a slave. They are two different concepts. Very slippery slope. If you are unable to repay your debt then you are essentially a slave. They just don't call it that. Just for the hell of it. It's not the same but it's not that different. As it says, the term of servitude can be extended by making up crimes committed against their masters. i.imgur.com/vUuh1XR.jpg" While true, we don't know if the Asari version is the same. It seemed like a pretty basic contract work as a Techie for 2 years and your debts are paid. They specified contracts could not include various things like prostitution, or other harms etc.
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Post by vergil on Aug 18, 2021 1:07:47 GMT
The biggest issue I've always had is not being able to make a bigger deal about Akuze to TIM and Toombs being relegated to a single email. Having a selectable backstory that gives Shepard a very huge personal stake in hating Cerberus really came back to bite the writers in the ass. That being said I think the game gives you enough opportunities to say that you're less than psyched about the relationship and are merely using the only resources you can get at this point. I don't mind them putting on a nobler façade in front of Shepard in ME2 either, it makes sense to me. Unfortunately with so many people starting with ME2 that's all they really had to go off of. When it comes to ME3 I have more of an issue with them suddenly becoming this massive rogue state with an army that can be enough of a problem to distract the Alliance and basically be a third faction in the war. EDI makes them seem more like a bunch of smaller cells in key positions than an army without a nation.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 18, 2021 7:47:48 GMT
Which is also indictive again of the mindset of those in Council Space...see my comments on the Council Fleet being used to enforce their will...just in case Earth got uppity someday. Also the turians fully intended to enslave humanity as one of their "client race". Which the Council has a problem with, yet the asari also practice salvery. And let's not forget that they allowed the batarians to enslave their own people and did nothing about it for years. Which, btw, would have made for a more believable story. We become a client race and, eventually, prove ourselves capable of being defenders of Council space. Elcor, volus and others are all client races. I don't think that made them slaves. My understanding is that they're all client races to some degree until they join the Council. Joining the Council means proving you can defend the galaxy. If you can't, you're essentially under the aegis of a Council race. The volus are a client race of the turians. I'm not clear about the elcor or hanar. We do know gossip suggested hanar might be the next Council race. The fact that they have their own client race might mean something.
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