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Post by GalentheYounger on Sept 1, 2021 23:48:19 GMT
I just finished Dragon Age Inquisition again, after many years of not playing it. Trespasser was my last stop and I just remember being really happy because I could give my Inky and her man Cullen a happy ending. What I did not remember was it being a 20 second interlude in a garden with nobody else but a dog to bear witness to it. The In-game explanation seems to be: "well, it would appear super corrupt if the Inquisitor and her Commander just up and got married so let's be secret about it!" I find that hard to believe, simply because the entire game everyone has known the two of them have been f\*cking and nobody gave a shit.
Like think about it - Dorian banters about it, all the advisors know (hence the wartable banter), the soldiers know (they saw them on the ramparts), Sera knows (who is personally super anticorruption anti-establishment and still doesn't give af), Cass knows (as shown in trespasser), Varric knows (which is why he messes with Cass in Trespasser) and it seems like everyone else in between is at least aware. Yet nobody says anything at all during the game, everyone just accepts it, even when the Inquisitor is called out for being corrupt in other ways (e.g. sparing Blackwall). So for some reason at the end of the game I am just supposed to believe that it's corrupt all of a sudden? Idk I just have a hard time buying it.
Personally, I don't believe it is a huge issue as long as they are professional about it - which in-game, they are, so I don't really see why it is made out as such a big deal in trespasser.
What are your thoughts? Is it actually that corrupt? I just have a hard time buying it in trespasser.
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Post by phoray on Sept 2, 2021 19:42:52 GMT
Cullen alluded to the hierarchy difference when the romance began when he was like, "you're the inquisitor." Ya, it's a kinda novel title, but he simply the general of an army with no nobility ties. Inquisitor is also tied into being the Herald of Andraste, which is another label, but one that has never been shared with another person in the history of Thedas.
The reason the wedding only had the presiding cleric and the dog was because the two of you eloped in the middle of an important negotiation. you can't actually leave the premises. Additionally, it may just seem bad taste for someone to find out the inky got married at the same event murder and espionage is hapening, like you're celebrating it or just so uncaring you couldn't put your little event on hold until later. Ya, I know the wedding happens BEFORE the chaos, but people will hear about it during.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 3, 2021 19:57:15 GMT
What are your thoughts? Is it actually that corrupt? I think Phoray has probably hit the nail on the head with the bit about the timing. Think about it, they have had two years they could have made their relationship official and yet they decide to get married in the middle of an important council that is deciding on the future of your organisation. Why couldn't it wait until after the decision has been made? After all, I don't think the anchor had really started acting up yet, so it wasn't as though they thought Inky was dying and that is why they pushed ahead. So whilst I wouldn't say it is actually corrupt, it is certainly not respectful of the gravity of the matter being debated at the Exalted Council and some members might be affronted as a result. Not the best move when the survival of the organisation is dependent upon them.
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Post by Walter Black on Sept 4, 2021 18:11:07 GMT
Let's be honest; most, if not all of Bioware's romances have these problems of power imbalances. Even when we aren't necessarily our Love Interest's boss or commanding officer, the writing still usually has players dictate the tone and course of the relationship.
I know the aim is to roleplay the Companion as much as the PC, but to me the execution too often services player entitlement at the expense of character development and Unfortunate Implications. It doesn't help that when many LI's do assert their own desires, too many players complain. Will DA4 offer more romances on equal footing with the player? Hopefully, but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by phoray on Sept 4, 2021 18:29:30 GMT
Bioware's romances have these problems of power imbalances. Inquisitor and Herald were titles that were thrust upon normal, mostly nobody, people. Unless they are human noble, they were a commoner just like Cullen. Cullen makes the first move, and instigates the sex scene, and I see no problematic power imbalances.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 4, 2021 18:58:52 GMT
At least people got to marry Cullen.
Not everybody got the option to do that with their LI.
Some never even got to talk to them about it, despite it fitting their romance perfectly. 😭
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Post by GalentheYounger on Sept 6, 2021 0:15:01 GMT
At least people got to marry Cullen. Not everybody got the option to do that with their LI. Some never even got to talk to them about it, despite it fitting their romance perfectly. 😭 What they did with Josie (who I am assuming you romanced) was an absolute travesty. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. She's supposed to be the fairytale romance but you can't actually have a happily ever after ?????
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 6, 2021 2:23:41 GMT
At least people got to marry Cullen. Not everybody got the option to do that with their LI. Some never even got to talk to them about it, despite it fitting their romance perfectly. 😭 What they did with Josie (who I am assuming you romanced) was an absolute travesty. It doesn't make any sense to me at all. She's supposed to be the fairytale romance but you can't actually have a happily ever after ????? Yeah. I get not being able to marry her like Sera and Cullen, since her family is super important to her and she’d want them there instead of eloping. But how we can’t even talk about it or propose to her, when even The Iron Bull allowed you to discuss it. |
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2021 16:18:33 GMT
Yeah. I get not being able to marry her like Sera and Cullen, since her family is super important to her and she’d want them there instead of eloping. But how we can’t even talk about it or propose to her, when even The Iron Bull allowed you to discuss it. May be they assumed that you were so secure in your relationship that it was just a given you would eventually marry and that no matter what happened with the Exalted Council you would always be together. In the epilogue you go to meet her family, so that is presumably when you become officially engaged, etc. At least it didn't end up a long distance relationship largely conducted over a crystal and given lesser screen time that one between your LI and Iron Bull, or a relationship where marriage isn't on the cards at all (Cassandra). Anyway, since I didn't romance Cullen or Sera, like you I am still waiting to get my wedding in game. It really sucked to learn that we should have got one for Hawke but the DLC with it was cancelled and then the wedding outfit was carried over into Trespasser. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 6, 2021 16:25:15 GMT
Yeah. I get not being able to marry her like Sera and Cullen, since her family is super important to her and she’d want them there instead of eloping. But how we can’t even talk about it or propose to her, when even The Iron Bull allowed you to discuss it. May be they assumed that you were so secure in your relationship that it was just a given you would eventually marry and that no matter what happened with the Exalted Council you would always be together. In the epilogue you go to meet her family, so that is presumably when you become officially engaged, etc. At least it didn't end up a long distance relationship largely conducted over a crystal and given lesser screen time that one between your LI and Iron Bull, or a relationship where marriage isn't on the cards at all (Cassandra). Anyway, since I didn't romance Cullen or Sera, like you I am still waiting to get my wedding in game. It really sucked to learn that we should have got one for Hawke but the DLC with it was cancelled and then the wedding outfit was carried over into Trespasser. Still would have been nice to at least discuss it or propose. Instead the only scene with her is the same one you get when not in a relationship with her. Yeah Dorian and Cassandra were also done dirty in Trespasser, though if she isn’t Divine I don’t see why it’s not in the cards since when you talk to her about it she’s interested. And yeah I would have loved for Hawke to marry Merrill. |
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Post by GalentheYounger on Sept 6, 2021 21:46:54 GMT
Yeah. I get not being able to marry her like Sera and Cullen, since her family is super important to her and she’d want them there instead of eloping. But how we can’t even talk about it or propose to her, when even The Iron Bull allowed you to discuss it. May be they assumed that you were so secure in your relationship that it was just a given you would eventually marry and that no matter what happened with the Exalted Council you would always be together. In the epilogue you go to meet her family, so that is presumably when you become officially engaged, etc. At least it didn't end up a long distance relationship largely conducted over a crystal and given lesser screen time that one between your LI and Iron Bull, or a relationship where marriage isn't on the cards at all (Cassandra). Anyway, since I didn't romance Cullen or Sera, like you I am still waiting to get my wedding in game. It really sucked to learn that we should have got one for Hawke but the DLC with it was cancelled and then the wedding outfit was carried over into Trespasser. Wow, I did not know that. Imagine Hawke marrying Fenris. How cute that would have been. This post actually made me sad, the characters were the best part of DA II and I am sad that I was unable to witness Hawke get her happy ending. DAI's references to the romance were vague and unsatisfactory to me.
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Post by phoray on Sept 7, 2021 13:06:44 GMT
GalentheYoungerUh... Don't read the most recent comics with Fenris then.
Hawke Romance sadness street.Although I do believe the comic represents friended Fenris rather than romanced but it was rough to read.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 17, 2021 11:45:44 GMT
The reason the wedding only had the presiding cleric and the dog was because the two of you eloped in the middle of an important negotiation. you can't actually leave the premises. They could have at least let the player invite Cass. She lives for romancy stuff, come on  |
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Post by GalentheYounger on Sept 19, 2021 3:48:24 GMT
The reason the wedding only had the presiding cleric and the dog was because the two of you eloped in the middle of an important negotiation. you can't actually leave the premises. They could have at least let the player invite Cass. She lives for romancy stuff, come on This, I wanted my Inky's bff there to celebrate her wedding. Dorian too, another close friend of hers. Thought it was lame it was just the dog though. But damn, did they render Cullen's stubble well in the DLC 
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