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Post by talyn82 on Jan 24, 2022 6:26:42 GMT
I was thinking earlier today about the Destroy ending. Are we sure both EDI and the Geth were destroyed? I mean in EDI's case the majority of her AI was stored in the AI Core of the Normandy. They can just make another body for her. It's the same with the Geth, when they are not hunting and killing they upload themselves as software according to Legion. So can't the Geth who were uploaded just be able to download itself to a new platform and live?
Or were all AI destroyed by the blast of red energy?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 24, 2022 12:27:25 GMT
I was thinking earlier today about the Destroy ending. Are we sure both EDI and the Geth were destroyed? I mean in EDI's case the majority of her AI was stored in the AI Core of the Normandy. They can just make another body for her. It's the same with the Geth, when they are not hunting and killing they upload themselves as software according to Legion. So can't the Geth who were uploaded just be able to download itself to a new platform and live? Or were all AI destroyed by the blast of red energy? N othey ewre desrtoyed because of the fact that the yhad reaper programming inside them. Crebreus gave EDI Reaper programming so that she could intreface with Reaper tech if she needed to as par tof Shep's mission in ME2 which is why she died. The Geth got theirs as we saw from the Reaper on Rannoch which they were allied with. The Destroy ending targets anything it finds with that programming. At least that's how I understand it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 24, 2022 17:37:40 GMT
The Destroy wave destroyed their software. We see this with the Reapers too where their bodies exist but are still dead. Same with EDI and the Geth. Their bodies still exist, but what made them them were killed. And that can’t be recreated. The closest is something close, but that’s not them just like cloning a person doesn’t make the clone the person they were cloned from.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 24, 2022 19:04:38 GMT
I was thinking earlier today about the Destroy ending. Are we sure both EDI and the Geth were destroyed? I mean in EDI's case the majority of her AI was stored in the AI Core of the Normandy. They can just make another body for her. It's the same with the Geth, when they are not hunting and killing they upload themselves as software according to Legion. So can't the Geth who were uploaded just be able to download itself to a new platform and live? Or were all AI destroyed by the blast of red energy? N othey ewre desrtoyed because of the fact that the yhad reaper programming inside them. Crebreus gave EDI Reaper programming so that she could intreface with Reaper tech if she needed to as par tof Shep's mission in ME2 which is why she died. The Geth got theirs as we saw from the Reaper on Rannoch which they were allied with. The Destroy ending targets anything it finds with that programming. At least that's how I understand it. Ah yes, I forgot that EDI was created using Reaper tech, and that in ME3 we can update the Geth AI with Reaper programming. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 24, 2022 19:07:11 GMT
The Destroy wave destroyed their software. We see this with the Reapers too where their bodies exist but are still dead. Same with EDI and the Geth. Their bodies still exist, but what made them them were killed. And that can’t be recreated. The closest is something close, but that’s not them just like cloning a person doesn’t make the clone the person they were cloned from. Oh I see. I knew it destroyed the Reapers both software and hardware, but with other synthetics like EDI and the Geth I thought it just destroyed their platforms. Thanks for the reply.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Jan 25, 2022 6:32:30 GMT
I was thinking earlier today about the Destroy ending. Are we sure both EDI and the Geth were destroyed? I mean in EDI's case the majority of her AI was stored in the AI Core of the Normandy. They can just make another body for her. It's the same with the Geth, when they are not hunting and killing they upload themselves as software according to Legion. So can't the Geth who were uploaded just be able to download itself to a new platform and live? Or were all AI destroyed by the blast of red energy? I am not sure that what you propose is impossible. The lore doesn't mention backups and how they were shielded. So yes, the writers could make that believable.
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Post by dazk on Jan 25, 2022 8:41:16 GMT
I was thinking earlier today about the Destroy ending. Are we sure both EDI and the Geth were destroyed? I mean in EDI's case the majority of her AI was stored in the AI Core of the Normandy. They can just make another body for her. It's the same with the Geth, when they are not hunting and killing they upload themselves as software according to Legion. So can't the Geth who were uploaded just be able to download itself to a new platform and live? Or were all AI destroyed by the blast of red energy? I am not sure that what you propose is impossible. The lore doesn't mention backups and how they were shielded. So yes, the writers could make that believable. It's been too long since I dug into this stuff but wasn't there a comment from Bioware during the whole blow up over the endings that hinted that "MAYBE" Edi and the Geth could have survived? The Reapers were a whole specific combination/type of organic and synthetic whereas the Geth and Edi were completely synthetic with just upgrades to their software, I am sure there is wriggle room in there if Bioware wanted to exploit it.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 25, 2022 11:22:36 GMT
I've mentioned before the geth could survive the red. In ME4, they start acting different because of the red. By the end of the game, they're back to what they were before uploading the code.
About the edibot. It would be best not to have it return. In ME4, Moreau is still sad about the loss of his family members. Admits it was silly having feelings for a robot. By the end of the game is dating a human female.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 25, 2022 12:51:44 GMT
I've mentioned before the geth could survive the red. In ME4, they start acting different because of the red. By the end of the game, they're back to what they were before uploading the code. About the edibot. It would be best not to have it return. In ME4, Moreau is still sad about the loss of his family members. Admits it was silly having feelings for a robot. By the end of the game is dating a human female. Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Jan 25, 2022 13:13:40 GMT
I've mentioned before the geth could survive the red. In ME4, they start acting different because of the red. By the end of the game, they're back to what they were before uploading the code. About the edibot. It would be best not to have it return. In ME4, Moreau is still sad about the loss of his family members. Admits it was silly having feelings for a robot. By the end of the game is dating a human female. Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called. Have a look at this short film (about 30 minutes): If that was EDI, would it change your mind?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 25, 2022 14:31:28 GMT
I've mentioned before the geth could survive the red. In ME4, they start acting different because of the red. By the end of the game, they're back to what they were before uploading the code. About the edibot. It would be best not to have it return. In ME4, Moreau is still sad about the loss of his family members. Admits it was silly having feelings for a robot. By the end of the game is dating a human female. Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called. The issue I had with the hologram turned platform is made Joker appear as a weirdo wanting to bake a cake for the thing and telling Shepard there's no regulation against dating the ships AI. The other issue is it seems the platform was put in the game to promote the green ending.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 26, 2022 1:04:27 GMT
Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called. Have a look at this short film (about 30 minutes): If that was EDI, would it change your mind? I get what you're saying and I am not opposed to being friends with an AI, and having one for company. A month ago I saw a video about two robotic nurses that are in production. I'm just saying Jeff took things to the extreme. I mean he really loves the Normandy. I mean if I had the money and such a sophisticated AI were available I'd buy one, since I'd prefer it over real people. I am not a people person in real life lol. But like I said Jeff takes thing to the extreme.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 26, 2022 1:09:41 GMT
Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called. The issue I had with the hologram turned platform is made Joker appear as a weirdo wanting to bake a cake for the thing and telling Shepard there's no regulation against dating the ships AI. The other issue is it seems the platform was put in the game to promote the green ending. Yeah he took the relationship to the extreme. But I remember hearing in ME3 that organic and synthetic porn was a thing. So different universe different rules I guess. As for the green ending the only thing I liked about it was EDI became alive as she said in the end. I have no problem with EDI, when I did the Destroy ending and I saw her name on the memorial wall of the Normandy I got a little teary eyed lol.
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I loved the green ending myself. I like the concept of symbiosis. I start laughing just thinking about it.
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Post by dazk on Jan 26, 2022 1:36:13 GMT
Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called. Have a look at this short film (about 30 minutes): If that was EDI, would it change your mind? That was really good, the main character Ryan wasn't the greatest actor and his similarity to David Boreanaz "Angel" was distracting but overall it was an interesting insight into the subject.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 26, 2022 1:42:26 GMT
I loved the green ending myself. I like the concept of symbiosis. I start laughing just thinking about it. AI: So your username is seriously, 'Fuckit' and they let you get away with that? Me, " our username now, buddy." I also like the idea of synthesis I just do not like that the Reapers are still around. I mean they wiped out whole civilizations and now we're supposed to be buddies? If it wasn't for that, synthesis would be my preferred ending.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 26, 2022 1:46:18 GMT
Well when you put it like that about EDI you do make sense, it would be healthier for Jeff to find a human companion. I am not even sure how a relationship between EDI and Jeff could be possible. As for the Geth, they can still be alive in the consensus I think that's what it was called. Have a look at this short film (about 30 minutes): If that was EDI, would it change your mind? I too forgot to say it was an interesting video, and made me really think about sophisticated AI.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jan 26, 2022 19:52:13 GMT
Have a look at this short film (about 30 minutes): If that was EDI, would it change your mind? I get what you're saying and I am not opposed to being friends with an AI, and having one for company. A month ago I saw a video about two robotic nurses that are in production. I'm just saying Jeff took things to the extreme. I mean he really loves the Normandy. I mean if I had the money and such a sophisticated AI were available I'd buy one, since I'd prefer it over real people. I am not a people person in real life lol. But like I said Jeff takes thing to the extreme. Yeah I'm not really a p[eopl eperson eithe rand what wit hbeing diasbled I kind o fge twha tJeff feels as I think m ybes tfriend is probabl ymy PC given how man yhours I spend playing games and doing stuff on it.
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Post by talyn82 on Jan 26, 2022 23:50:23 GMT
I get what you're saying and I am not opposed to being friends with an AI, and having one for company. A month ago I saw a video about two robotic nurses that are in production. I'm just saying Jeff took things to the extreme. I mean he really loves the Normandy. I mean if I had the money and such a sophisticated AI were available I'd buy one, since I'd prefer it over real people. I am not a people person in real life lol. But like I said Jeff takes thing to the extreme. Yeah I'm not really a p[eopl eperson eithe rand what wit hbeing diasbled I kind o fge twha tJeff feels as I think m ybes tfriend is probabl ymy PC given how man yhours I spend playing games and doing stuff on it. Yeah I understand what you mean. Come to think of it I am the same way with my PC as well. But like I said before the Mass Effect Universe has it's own rules, and it's technology is centuries ahead of hours. So an organic falling in love with a synthetic may not look weird to the inhabitants of that universe.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 6, 2022 14:51:57 GMT
Yeah I'm not really a p[eopl eperson eithe rand what wit hbeing diasbled I kind o fge twha tJeff feels as I think m ybes tfriend is probabl ymy PC given how man yhours I spend playing games and doing stuff on it. Yeah I understand what you mean. Come to think of it I am the same way with my PC as well. But like I said before the Mass Effect Universe has it's own rules, and it's technology is centuries ahead of hours. So an organic falling in love with a synthetic may not look weird to the inhabitants of that universe. I am pretty sure it would look weird to most organics in the ME universe. AI research and development is outlawed. The AI "race" in the universe has been murdering any organic that attempts to enter former Quarian space for the past 300 years. The Geth are not the merciful peace seeking AIs that Legion tries to show them as in ME3. If EDI started out like Data in Star Trek, I could see it working. But EDI starts out as a starship, and Jeff already has strong feelings for ships he is piloting. EDI suddenly getting a body and Jeff wanting to jump on that is not healthy at all. It would work better if EDI had a love interest that met her after she had a humanoid body.
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Post by talyn82 on Feb 6, 2022 20:24:30 GMT
Yeah I understand what you mean. Come to think of it I am the same way with my PC as well. But like I said before the Mass Effect Universe has it's own rules, and it's technology is centuries ahead of hours. So an organic falling in love with a synthetic may not look weird to the inhabitants of that universe. I am pretty sure it would look weird to most organics in the ME universe. AI research and development is outlawed. The AI "race" in the universe has been murdering any organic that attempts to enter former Quarian space for the past 300 years. The Geth are not the merciful peace seeking AIs that Legion tries to show them as in ME3. If EDI started out like Data in Star Trek, I could see it working. But EDI starts out as a starship, and Jeff already has strong feelings for ships he is piloting. EDI suddenly getting a body and Jeff wanting to jump on that is not healthy at all. It would work better if EDI had a love interest that met her after she had a humanoid body. Legion is the only Geth I like because it did not try to kill me as soon as it saw me like the others. But I can understand why the Geth are so hostile especially against the Quarians, and you're right I forgot AI's were technically illegal in the Council space. I think in ME3 when Shepard meets up with EDI after six months of detainment, they ask her how she got by the Alliance crew when they grounded the Normandy, and she said she pretended to be a VI. As for Jeff, like I said before Jeff has some strong feelings for his ship, and I always said the relationship between him and EDI is unhealthy. I love my PC but I do not want to marry it.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Feb 6, 2022 22:43:42 GMT
Yeah I understand what you mean. Come to think of it I am the same way with my PC as well. But like I said before the Mass Effect Universe has it's own rules, and it's technology is centuries ahead of hours. So an organic falling in love with a synthetic may not look weird to the inhabitants of that universe. I am pretty sure it would look weird to most organics in the ME universe. AI research and development is outlawed. The AI "race" in the universe has been murdering any organic that attempts to enter former Quarian space for the past 300 years. The Geth are not the merciful peace seeking AIs that Legion tries to show them as in ME3. If EDI started out like Data in Star Trek, I could see it working. But EDI starts out as a starship, and Jeff already has strong feelings for ships he is piloting. EDI suddenly getting a body and Jeff wanting to jump on that is not healthy at all. It would work better if EDI had a love interest that met her after she had a humanoid body. The quarians tried to exterminate the geth when they noticed that they actively evolved the geth into full AI. Creating AI was prohibited, hence the quarians panicked with genocide as a result. Fortunately the geth won the Morning War and they retreated beyond the Perseus Veil, because they didn't want to exterminate all the quarians. And yes, they destroyed all vessels trying to enter their region. That totally makes sense, because council forces were trying to kill the remaining geth at that time. The hostile geth, a faction known as the heretics, were following Nazara. It appears to be some kind of artificial indoctrination, because the heretics revered Nazara, much like a religion. The non-hostile geth distanced themselves from the heretics. What makes those geth non-hostile was that they cleaned up the quarian home worlds out of respect for their creators, in case of a future peace. Any race would never go into that much trouble, if they were truly evil. So they anticipated and supported a future return of their creators. All that was required was peace.
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Post by dazk on Feb 7, 2022 0:07:42 GMT
I am pretty sure it would look weird to most organics in the ME universe. AI research and development is outlawed. The AI "race" in the universe has been murdering any organic that attempts to enter former Quarian space for the past 300 years. The Geth are not the merciful peace seeking AIs that Legion tries to show them as in ME3. If EDI started out like Data in Star Trek, I could see it working. But EDI starts out as a starship, and Jeff already has strong feelings for ships he is piloting. EDI suddenly getting a body and Jeff wanting to jump on that is not healthy at all. It would work better if EDI had a love interest that met her after she had a humanoid body. The quarians tried to exterminate the geth when they noticed that they actively evolved the geth into full AI. Creating AI was prohibited, hence the quarians panicked with genocide as a result. Fortunately the geth won the Morning War and they retreated beyond the Perseus Veil. And yes, they destroyed all vessels trying to enter their region. That totally makes sense, because council forces were trying to kill the remaining geth at that time. The hostile geth, a faction known as the heretics, were following Nazara. It appears to be some kind of artificial indoctrination, because the heretics revered Nazara, much like a religion. The non-hostile geth distanced themselves from the heretics. What makes those geth non-hostile was that they cleaned up the quarian home worlds out of respect for their creators, in case of a future peace. Any hostile race would never go into that much trouble, if they were truly evil. So they anticipated and supported a future return of their creators. All that was required was peace. The Geth also only ever acted to protect themselves, they ceased actions against The Quarians when the reached a certain point when retreating not being able to compute the consequences of destroying the whole Quarian race. They are also as you mention only acting in self defence in defending the home worlds, they never sought to attack others outside that until the Heretics started worshipping Nazara.
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Post by AngryFrozenWater on Feb 7, 2022 0:25:07 GMT
The quarians tried to exterminate the geth when they noticed that they actively evolved the geth into full AI. Creating AI was prohibited, hence the quarians panicked with genocide as a result. Fortunately the geth won the Morning War and they retreated beyond the Perseus Veil. And yes, they destroyed all vessels trying to enter their region. That totally makes sense, because council forces were trying to kill the remaining geth at that time. The hostile geth, a faction known as the heretics, were following Nazara. It appears to be some kind of artificial indoctrination, because the heretics revered Nazara, much like a religion. The non-hostile geth distanced themselves from the heretics. What makes those geth non-hostile was that they cleaned up the quarian home worlds out of respect for their creators, in case of a future peace. Any hostile race would never go into that much trouble, if they were truly evil. So they anticipated and supported a future return of their creators. All that was required was peace. The Geth also only ever acted to protect themselves, they ceased actions against The Quarians when the reached a certain point when retreating not being able to compute the consequences of destroying the whole Quarian race. They are also as you mention only acting in self defence in defending the home worlds, they never sought to attack others outside that until the Heretics started worshipping Nazara. Two minutes before you posted, I edited my post and added much the same: "..., because they didn't want to exterminate all the quarians." You could argue that the geth gave in to the reapers by accepting the "improved" reaper code. However, at that time it was all or nothing for them. Their numbers were decimated and because of their collective mind this reduced their capabilities. It was a dumb move, but that proves that their intellect became compromised. Organics also fight for their survival, so when synthetics do the same, it is hard to hold that against them. They were a victim, just like any other race that was harvested.
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