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Jackdaw summarized everything.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 19, 2022 15:58:22 GMT
Yeah, I think this covered most of the major points. Some of the devs, like David, did go into more detail as to why they left. Others, like Matt, we still don't know for certain what went down. It should also be pointed out that there are many new and growing studios out there, so there are a lot of developers moving around out there for better $$$ and better positions. And just because I remember the discussion around it, that Solas rendering on the TV at BW was actually him in an earlier concept art armor. Possibly a high res render created for DAI, but never went with.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 20, 2022 7:38:09 GMT
I still want to know what they meant by this:
If you’re new to Dragon Age, you have no need to worry about not having met our antagonist just yet. He’ll properly introduce himself when the time is right, but we did hint at his return when we announced #TheDreadWolfRises back in 2018.
Did they simply wish to show how long Solas has been the focus of the game, which is why they didn't reference the later trailer in 2020 which did more than hint? Or is it a case of wanting to play down the importance of the 2020 trailer because much of what we saw there is not going to feature in the single player game? It is also strange phrasing because they were referring to new players and yet anyone who had not played the games would not know that Solas was a returning character. For anyone who had played Trespasser, there was little doubt that Solas would be returning at some point and the 2018 trailer just seemed a reassurance that would be the case.
What does link the 2018 trailer and the latest information is that backdrop to the logo; the strange circle with 7 small half circles around the edge, 5 of which are blacked out. Again, this ignores what seemed to be the new version of the logo in the 2020 trailer. Meanwhile, the purple colour scheme does seem to be the standard one for associated products, with it also appearing in the Netflix trailer, as opposed to the black and gold of 2020, although the Neflix logo does have the gold lettering.
I suppose what all 3 trailers' logos have in common are circles.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 20, 2022 8:21:23 GMT
If you’re new to Dragon Age, you have no need to worry about not having met our antagonist just yet. He’ll properly introduce himself when the time is right, but we did hint at his return when we announced #TheDreadWolfRises back in 2018. I agree with you. I remember that someone once said that in the picture of the teaser from 2018 information has been hidden by the artist(I can't remember where i hear that). Maybe they want to point out to new players to watch the trailer?
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Post by luketrevelyan on Jun 20, 2022 14:51:43 GMT
I still want to know what they meant by this: If you’re new to Dragon Age, you have no need to worry about not having met our antagonist just yet. He’ll properly introduce himself when the time is right, but we did hint at his return when we announced #TheDreadWolfRises back in 2018. Did they simply wish to show how long Solas has been the focus of the game, which is why they didn't reference the later trailer in 2020 which did more than hint? Or is it a case of wanting to play down the importance of the 2020 trailer because much of what we saw there is not going to feature in the single player game? It is also strange phrasing because they were referring to new players and yet anyone who had not played the games would not know that Solas was a returning character. For anyone who had played Trespasser, there was little doubt that Solas would be returning at some point and the 2018 trailer just seemed a reassurance that would be the case. What does link the 2018 trailer and the latest information is that backdrop to the logo; the strange circle with 7 small half circles around the edge, 5 of which are blacked out. Again, this ignores what seemed to be the new version of the logo in the 2020 trailer. Meanwhile, the purple colour scheme does seem to be the standard one for associated products, with it also appearing in the Netflix trailer, as opposed to the black and gold of 2020, although the Neflix logo does have the gold lettering. I suppose what all 3 trailers' logos have in common are circles. My guess is they just wanted to call back to the original announcement from 2018, but I agree the phrasing was odd because as I've said they have teased his return on many occasions, not just then. But I guess that was the first post-DAI tease and when they started #TheDreadWolfRises hashtag so it probably makes sense to reference that. I think the 2020 teaser is still relevant but honestly it was vague enough that even if they changed directions that could still largely be true. One notable thing is the official website (https://www.ea.com/games/dragon-age) has not been updated with the "Dreadwolf" title/logo. It still appears as it has since the Dec 2020 teaser with same text description, images, trailers, etc. They haven't added a page yet for "Dragon Age: Dreadwolf" like the other games. Maybe they are waiting for something larger like a trailer before they update again but I found it a bit odd they wouldn't put the new title there. Could just be an oversight as well...how many people even check the site? Especially if the title reveal was mostly to avoid confusion with the Absolution announcement.
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Post by Heimdall on Jun 20, 2022 21:37:57 GMT
My guess is they just wanted to call back to the original announcement from 2018, but I agree the phrasing was odd because as I've said they have teased his return on many occasions, not just then. But I guess that was the first post-DAI tease and when they started #TheDreadWolfRises hashtag so it probably makes sense to reference that. I think the 2020 teaser is still relevant but honestly it was vague enough that even if they changed directions that could still largely be true. Its odd to me because it seems to amount to “See, Solas isn’t news as an antagonist”. That’s fine enough I’m just not sure why they’d point it out at all. I don’t think I’d attach any significance to not mentioning the 2020 trailer. It could be that some locations in it are no longer major features, but that’s as far as I’d speculate possibilities. Perhaps they simply want to say “This has been the consistent vision since that time,” which is to say push back against the idea that there was a radical change in direction recently. In general, that post mostly seemed aimed at assuring newcomers that they don’t have to be familiar with Solas to enjoy DAD. I can see how that’s a concern nearly a decade after Trespasser. A lot of new players won’t know and a lot of casual old players won’t remember.
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Post by Spectr61 on Jun 21, 2022 0:50:16 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 7:40:47 GMT
A lot of new players won’t know and a lot of casual old players won’t remember. I think the casual old players who played Trespasser would still remember. Part of my argument for a returning Inquisitor was based off conversations with casual players who assumed they would be playing them next game because of the unfinished business with Solas. However, many casual old players won't even have played Trespasser because it wasn't designed for old consoles. Plus there are others who don't buy DLC on the basis that everything to do with the story should have been in the main game. Add these two factors together and that would mean that many casual old players only knew that Solas was Fen'Harel and that presumably he would have some part to play in the next game but not how much he was behind the rise of Corypheus or what his plans were for the future. So I can see how the 2018 trailer would have hinted at Solas' return without them realising the significance of this. From that perspective they would be as much in the dark about Solas as new players. The trailer also brought the idol back into the mix, which was something of a revelation for everyone since the last we knew of it Meredith had had it melted down and transformed into her sword. The explanation for this is in Tevinter Nights, again something not everyone is going to have read but particularly casual players. You could argue that DA2 was so long ago they might not remember this detail but I will guarantee there will be casual old players who will be questioning about its prominence in that trailer and even more should it appear as a major factor in DAD.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 21, 2022 8:25:32 GMT
I think the casual old players who played Trespasser would still remember. After nearly a decade i doubt that. We are talking about casuals and not (Hardcore) Fans here who played and finished? DAI maybe just for one time. Most played around in 2014 - 2015 and with the pandemic it feels more than just 8 years.
Well i would argue that those players have enough time to play Trespasser on PS4 and Xbox One if they really wanted to play it.
In my opinion the more interessing question is how many players have finished DAI or even played Trespasser? My guess is not that many as you think. I know some folks who have gave up in the Hinterlands and even i have considered to end this during the boring Hissing Wastes. So yeah i makes perfectly sense to remind everyone who Solas aka Dreadwolf is.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 21, 2022 12:00:27 GMT
A lot of new players won’t know and a lot of casual old players won’t remember. I think the casual old players who played Trespasser would still remember. Part of my argument for a returning Inquisitor was based off conversations with casual players who assumed they would be playing them next game because of the unfinished business with Solas. However, many casual old players won't even have played Trespasser because it wasn't designed for old consoles. Plus there are others who don't buy DLC on the basis that everything to do with the story should have been in the main game. Add these two factors together and that would mean that many casual old players only knew that Solas was Fen'Harel and that presumably he would have some part to play in the next game but not how much he was behind the rise of Corypheus or what his plans were for the future. So I can see how the 2018 trailer would have hinted at Solas' return without them realising the significance of this. From that perspective they would be as much in the dark about Solas as new players. The trailer also brought the idol back into the mix, which was something of a revelation for everyone since the last we knew of it Meredith had had it melted down and transformed into her sword. The explanation for this is in Tevinter Nights, again something not everyone is going to have read but particularly casual players. You could argue that DA2 was so long ago they might not remember this detail but I will guarantee there will be casual old players who will be questioning about its prominence in that trailer and even more should it appear as a major factor in DAD. A casual usually plays the base game and not the DLC. And of those who play the base game only a minority complete it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 13:18:06 GMT
In my opinion the more interessing question is how many players have finished DAI or even played Trespasser? I think I did cover the part about Trespasser in my post. So yeah i makes perfectly sense to remind everyone who Solas aka Dreadwolf is. If they didn't finish the base game, then they won't be aware of who Solas is, so that would come as a complete surprise to them. In fact, they might not even make the connection between the elf on one side of the image (who doesn't actually look bald but apparently that is shadow so he is) and the Dread Wolf image on the other. They would recognise Solas' voice but why would they imagine he was the antagonist next game? It looks in the image as though he is in opposition to the big bad wolf. So the 2018 trailer may have alerted them to the fact that Solas was returning but they wouldn't know why and might even imagine he was still going to help us. A casual usually plays the base game and not the DLC. And of those who play the base game only a minority complete it. I suppose it depends on what you call a casual player. I would define it as anyone who just plays the game but doesn't immerse themselves in the lore, associated media or comes to these boards. As I pointed out in my previous post, I agree that they often don't bother with the DLC but may well have completed the base game. To give an example, I know a player who is happy to complete the game once and doesn't buy DLC on principle since they feel that it shouldn't be necessary to complete the story. In the case of DAO and DA2 this was true, although the sight of Corypheus didn't have the same impact on them as it did on me since they had never met him. I suggested they might want to play Trespasser because it was like an extended epilogue to the main game or a prequel to the next but they couldn't because they had an old console and at the time weren't planning on upgrading just to play one DLC. It was rather odd that after making the other DLC available to everyone, when the content wasn't that important to the story going forward (well the Descent might be) they didn't do that for the one DLC that was. Anyway, my point remains that the comment about the 2018 was directed towards new players, for whom Solas would mean nothing, or possibly casual players who would only know him as the apostate elf with extensive knowledge of the Fade, if they didn't finish the game, or as Fen'Harel who killed Flemeth if they did. They will have absolutely no idea of what Solas had done in the past or what he intended to do in the future. So let's hope they do have some way of bringing all these players up to speed on these issues. May be it will just be through pre-release information or codices.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 21, 2022 13:51:32 GMT
I think the casual old players who played Trespasser would still remember. After nearly a decade i doubt that. We are talking about casuals and not (Hardcore) Fans here who played and finished? DAI maybe just for one time. Most played around in 2014 - 2015 and with the pandemic it feels more than just 8 years.
Well i would argue that those players have enough time to play Trespasser on PS4 and Xbox One if they really wanted to play it.
In my opinion the more interessing question is how many players have finished DAI or even played Trespasser? My guess is not that many as you think. I know some folks who have gave up in the Hinterlands and even i have considered to end this during the boring Hissing Wastes. So yeah i makes perfectly sense to remind everyone who Solas aka Dreadwolf is.
If they didn't do the bare minimum which would be finishing the main game, then they're extremely unlikely to come back for the sequel. That alone makes them irrelevant for this discussion. We might as well have a thread about fascinating new barbecue recipes and then change the focus to how vegans will react.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 21, 2022 13:54:56 GMT
In my opinion the more interessing question is how many players have finished DAI or even played Trespasser? I think I did cover the part about Trespasser in my post. So yeah i makes perfectly sense to remind everyone who Solas aka Dreadwolf is. If they didn't finish the base game, then they won't be aware of who Solas is, so that would come as a complete surprise to them. In fact, they might not even make the connection between the elf on one side of the image (who doesn't actually look bald but apparently that is shadow so he is) and the Dread Wolf image on the other. They would recognise Solas' voice but why would they imagine he was the antagonist next game? It looks in the image as though he is in opposition to the big bad wolf. So the 2018 trailer may have alerted them to the fact that Solas was returning but they wouldn't know why and might even imagine he was still going to help us. A casual usually plays the base game and not the DLC. And of those who play the base game only a minority complete it. I suppose it depends on what you call a casual player. I would define it as anyone who just plays the game but doesn't immerse themselves in the lore, associated media or comes to these boards. As I pointed out in my previous post, I agree that they often don't bother with the DLC but may well have completed the base game. To give an example, I know a player who is happy to complete the game once and doesn't buy DLC on principle since they feel that it shouldn't be necessary to complete the story. In the case of DAO and DA2 this was true, although the sight of Corypheus didn't have the same impact on them as it did on me since they had never met him. I suggested they might want to play Trespasser because it was like an extended epilogue to the main game or a prequel to the next but they couldn't because they had an old console and at the time weren't planning on upgrading just to play one DLC. It was rather odd that after making the other DLC available to everyone, when the content wasn't that important to the story going forward (well the Descent might be) they didn't do that for the one DLC that was. Anyway, my point remains that the comment about the 2018 was directed towards new players, for whom Solas would mean nothing, or possibly casual players who would only know him as the apostate elf with extensive knowledge of the Fade, if they didn't finish the game, or as Fen'Harel who killed Flemeth if they did. They will have absolutely no idea of what Solas had done in the past or what he intended to do in the future. So let's hope they do have some way of bringing all these players up to speed on these issues. May be it will just be through pre-release information or codices. I'm casual. I played DAO with all dlc (complete edition) once. Discontinued DA 2 before Deep Roads. Finished DAI once - only base game. I have no idea what Evanuris are and by now I really wonder why we still don't know about the fate of magisters and instead were sent for two games on the goose chase for some dude with power fantasies. I hhhave no clue what a Fen Harel is and generally think the elves are not very interesting in DA world. 4 games and will the secret of the tainted guys be lifted? Is it disease? A virus? Magic thing? Or will we be cliffhanged with just another goose chase for something completely different? Truth is that I just dont care a bit. I dont think it is anything for me and it'd be a pain to get back into with these winding sidestuff developments.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 21, 2022 14:22:07 GMT
I think I did cover the part about Trespasser in my post. If they didn't finish the base game, then they won't be aware of who Solas is, so that would come as a complete surprise to them. In fact, they might not even make the connection between the elf on one side of the image (who doesn't actually look bald but apparently that is shadow so he is) and the Dread Wolf image on the other. They would recognise Solas' voice but why would they imagine he was the antagonist next game? It looks in the image as though he is in opposition to the big bad wolf. So the 2018 trailer may have alerted them to the fact that Solas was returning but they wouldn't know why and might even imagine he was still going to help us. I suppose it depends on what you call a casual player. I would define it as anyone who just plays the game but doesn't immerse themselves in the lore, associated media or comes to these boards. As I pointed out in my previous post, I agree that they often don't bother with the DLC but may well have completed the base game. To give an example, I know a player who is happy to complete the game once and doesn't buy DLC on principle since they feel that it shouldn't be necessary to complete the story. In the case of DAO and DA2 this was true, although the sight of Corypheus didn't have the same impact on them as it did on me since they had never met him. I suggested they might want to play Trespasser because it was like an extended epilogue to the main game or a prequel to the next but they couldn't because they had an old console and at the time weren't planning on upgrading just to play one DLC. It was rather odd that after making the other DLC available to everyone, when the content wasn't that important to the story going forward (well the Descent might be) they didn't do that for the one DLC that was. Anyway, my point remains that the comment about the 2018 was directed towards new players, for whom Solas would mean nothing, or possibly casual players who would only know him as the apostate elf with extensive knowledge of the Fade, if they didn't finish the game, or as Fen'Harel who killed Flemeth if they did. They will have absolutely no idea of what Solas had done in the past or what he intended to do in the future. So let's hope they do have some way of bringing all these players up to speed on these issues. May be it will just be through pre-release information or codices. I'm casual. I played DAO with all dlc (complete edition) once. Discontinued DA 2 before Deep Roads. Finished DAI once - only base game. I have no idea what Evanuris are and by now I really wonder why we still don't know about the fate of magisters and instead were sent for two games on the goose chase for some dude with power fantasies. I hhhave no clue what a Fen Harel is and generally think the elves are not very interesting in DA world. 4 games and will the secret of the tainted guys be lifted? Is it disease? A virus? Magic thing? Or will we be cliffhanged with just another goose chase for something completely different? Truth is that I just dont care a bit. I dont think it is anything for me and it'd be a pain to get back into with these winding sidestuff developments. Generally, we're talking about people who have a decent level of interest in the story but lack information (new players or those who didn't play Trespasser). And the availability of said information only concerns them. To those who actively kept their distance from the story and its universe, everything will be fine regardless of whether an explanation is provided for them. So what is there to talk about? It is a problem that solves itself. You, for an instance, didn't care enough about the story to know something that is already explained in the base game (Who Fen'harel is to the elves). So, how does any of this apply to you? This is a discussion about a specific concern and those to whom it matters. To spend time talking about the passionate disdain of some seems like an unnecessary detour.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 21, 2022 15:17:56 GMT
If they didn't do the bare minimum which would be finishing the main game, then they're extremely unlikely to come back for the sequel. That alone makes them irrelevant for this discussion. We might as well have a thread about fascinating new barbecue recipes and then change the focus to how vegans will react. I disagree. There are many players out there who hadn´t finished DA 2 before because of several reasons but they were still interested in the series and even bought DAI which did a good job in explaining events for those players. Also can you really blame players who give up at some point when the game bores them?
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 21, 2022 17:27:16 GMT
I'm casual. I played DAO with all dlc (complete edition) once. Discontinued DA 2 before Deep Roads. Finished DAI once - only base game. I have no idea what Evanuris are and by now I really wonder why we still don't know about the fate of magisters and instead were sent for two games on the goose chase for some dude with power fantasies. I hhhave no clue what a Fen Harel is and generally think the elves are not very interesting in DA world. 4 games and will the secret of the tainted guys be lifted? Is it disease? A virus? Magic thing? Or will we be cliffhanged with just another goose chase for something completely different? Truth is that I just dont care a bit. I dont think it is anything for me and it'd be a pain to get back into with these winding sidestuff developments. Generally, we're talking about people who have a decent level of interest in the story but lack information (new players or those who didn't play Trespasser). And the availability of said information only concerns them. To those who actively kept their distance from the story and its universe, everything will be fine regardless of whether an explanation is provided for them. So what is there to talk about? It is a problem that solves itself. You, for an instance, didn't care enough about the story to know something that is already explained in the base game (Who Fen'harel is to the elves). So, how does any of this apply to you? This is a discussion about a specific concern and those to whom it matters. To spend time talking about the passionate disdain of some seems like an unnecessary detour. I played all three games so I didnt really distance myself from the story. It is more that I dont know what the story even is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 17:27:31 GMT
If they didn't do the bare minimum which would be finishing the main game, then they're extremely unlikely to come back for the sequel. I don't know about that. If they have played previous games, then the fact the next one is allegedly being set in Tevinter might be enough to entice them back. I suppose a lot will depend on the marketing and initial reviews. Anyway, they still fall under the category of new players in that they won't even know that Solas killed off Flemeth or that he is the Dread Wolf, so the 2018 trailer wouldn't have meant that much to them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 17:30:07 GMT
I played all three games so I didnt really distance myself from the story. It is more that I dont know what the story even is. I think you have sort of proved my point. I imagine the 2018 trailer didn't mean much to you either, particularly as you never even entered the Deep Roads in DA2, so that weird object they focused on for much of it must be a complete puzzle.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jun 21, 2022 17:46:37 GMT
I played all three games so I didnt really distance myself from the story. It is more that I dont know what the story even is. I think you have sort of proved my point. I imagine the 2018 trailer didn't mean much to you either, particularly as you never even entered the Deep Roads in DA2, so that weird object they focused on for much of it must be a complete puzzle. Pretty much. I tried DAI because it was Frostbyte and we knew the next Mass Effect would run on Frostbyte. I didnt know Kass or the bare-chested dwarf whose name I have forgotten (his DPS in DAI sucked balls and I stopped using him as companion and picked Sera as ranged). I remember some stuff faintly about Fen Harel and some trickster god but it was left all vague and what I really always wanted to know was what's with the Blight and what have the Dragons to do with it? In itself DAI had the initial story thing closed with the crystal man being overcome but the big picture, what is that?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 21, 2022 19:59:55 GMT
what I really always wanted to know was what's with the Blight and what have the Dragons to do with it? DAI and Trespasser left a whole lot more questions in that respect. I'm really hoping we start getting some answers this time round.
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Post by Iddy on Jun 21, 2022 20:49:56 GMT
If they didn't do the bare minimum which would be finishing the main game, then they're extremely unlikely to come back for the sequel. That alone makes them irrelevant for this discussion. We might as well have a thread about fascinating new barbecue recipes and then change the focus to how vegans will react. I disagree. There are many players out there who hadn´t finished DA 2 before because of several reasons but they were still interested in the series and even bought DAI which did a good job in explaining events for those players. Also can you really blame players who give up at some point when the game bores them?
I did acknowledge the possibility, which is why I went with "unlikely". No, I don't blame them, but I also don't see why should developers base any major decisions on the existence of half-way quitters. Imagine the writing board for a movie sequel. The first guy starts throwing in some ideas on how to follow up on the world changing events from the ending of the previous movie, but then he is interrupted by another writer saying "But Dave, some people may have walked out of the theater when they watched the first one! They don't know who Evil McStache is or why it matters to find Billy. Should we really have the trailer focus on them? Hell, maybe we should rewrite the story a little because people who only saw the first 15 minutes don't know who these people are!" I never felt like a sequel -to anything- must bear the responsibility for those who skipped previous installments. Its only job is to make enough sense to follow the general premise. This dude is curious about Solas? Then he should go back and play the older games, google it, do something. Wait... he doesn't know and doesn't care? Then nothing needs to be done at all.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 21, 2022 21:11:38 GMT
I did acknowledge the possibility, which is why I went with "unlikely". No, I don't blame them, but I also don't see why should developers base any major decisions on the existence of half-way quitters. There are still potentially costumers like the ones who hadn´t played DAI at all. No offense but this is a pretty bad example for your point. A movie isn´t as near as long as DAI with its playtime of over 100 hours. The question is Dreadwolf really a sequel to DAI / Trespasser or is it something else? I would argue that Dreadwolf isn´t a direct sequel to DAI and besides Mass Effect 3 & Trespasser DLC all of Bioware games were standalone stories with some references to previous games. Also don´t forget that Dreadwolf comes 9-10 years after DAI so yeah they can´t make a game where its mandatory to play the previous games and reading / watching all of the other media.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2022 8:43:45 GMT
I would argue that Dreadwolf isn´t a direct sequel to DAI and besides Mass Effect 3 & Trespasser DLC all of Bioware games were standalone stories with some references to previous games. The main difference between Mass Effect and Dragon Age is the protagonist. In Mass Effect this is Shepard. Now it is perfectly possible to step in at a later stage without playing the previous games but the great part was that if you had played from the beginning there was this continuity between each episode in the story and choices you made, even back in ME1 could become important in ME3. So, whilst each game had its own resolution, which made it satisfying in its own right, there was also the ongoing narrative to keep you engaged. Now each Dragon Age had its own protagonist and to be honest, I was happy with the idea that there should be no carry over from one game to another, even as a cameo role. I think a problem occurred in that Hawke's story should have been tied off with the Exalted March DLC, which in terms of scope was probably going to be more along the lines of the expansion Awakening. When that was cancelled, Hawke was brought into the next story in a rather unsatisfactory way but on the whole this didn't detract from the main protagonist, the Herald/Inquisitor. As far as I was concerned, their story was done with that final balcony shot at the end of the game. If Trespasser had dealt solely with explaining how they ceased to be Lord Inquisitor of Thedas, that would have achieved its alleged aim, that is to tie off their story. The question is Dreadwolf really a sequel to DAI / Trespasser or is it something else? How can it not be a sequel? What was strange about Trespasser was to use it to introduce Solas as a major antagonist and then end that DLC with the PC aware of that fact. That wasn't the case with Hawke and Corypheus. Hawke genuinely thought they had dealt with the threat in Legacy. Essentially, instead of getting a final resolution to the story we had followed in DAI, how you built up an organisation from scratch, became one of the most powerful figures in Thedas and then why it all ended, they decided to tack on the confrontation with Solas, which basically started a whole new episode with him as the antagonist. As a player we already knew about Solas' identity from the final scene of DAI. Our PC didn't need to know. We could have discovered all that elven lore without our PC being aware it was directly connected to our former ally. May be I am in a minority about this, or even a lone voice, but if they weren't planning on continuing the story with the Inquisitor, why have that confrontation with him at all? This is why I say that the 2018 trailer only really meant something to old established players who had played all the games and DLC. Then they say that they hinted at Solas' return in that trailer. Which I find rather odd because they had more than hinted in that confrontation in Trespasser. So, it is true that you can come to the game without having played any previous ones, particularly because we know it is going to feature a new protagonist. It is for this reason that I feel that I would have to ignore everything I know from previous games unless someone else tells me or I could reasonably know it as someone from that world, thus putting my PC in exactly the same position as if I were a new player. However, for those people who have played the games, including Trespasser, they are going to have to make a coherent narrative that respects the fact that you did. As I have pointed out above, if the idol is going to feature in the game, this is going to be something of a surprise to people who have not read associated books and comics, even though that was also hinted at in the 2018 trailer, because the last we knew of the idol, it had been melted down and reformed into a sword. Obviously, it will mean nothing to new players.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 22, 2022 9:17:32 GMT
So, it is true that you can come to the game without having played any previous ones, particularly because we know it is going to feature a new protagonist. It is for this reason that I feel that I would have to ignore everything I know from previous games unless someone else tells me or I could reasonably know it as someone from that world, thus putting my PC in exactly the same position as if I were a new player. However, for those people who have played the games, including Trespasser, they are going to have to make a coherent narrative that respects the fact that you did. As I have pointed out above, if the idol is going to feature in the game, this is going to be something of a surprise to people who have not read associated books and comics, even though that was also hinted at in the 2018 trailer, because the last we knew of the idol, it had been melted down and reformed into a sword. Obviously, it will mean nothing to new players. I think they introduce Solas in the game DAD like you introduce the antagonist in a first movie. Then why do you have to forget everything you know? You can present Solas and incorporate the knowledge without asking about it. That shouldn't be a problem for a writer.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 22, 2022 13:14:31 GMT
I think they introduce Solas in the game DAD like you introduce the antagonist in a first movie. That would be one way of doing it, except I assume you are talking about the Blight/Arch-demon. Now all the introduction did was inform us of what the current Chantry narrative was about its origins. Subsequent information may have caused our individual PCs to doubt that story in its entirety, or just some parts of it, but it was in fact something that our PC could reasonably be aware of in world. The Blights had been a feature of Thedas for over a thousand years so even people on the fringes of society, like the Dalish, would be aware of the general belief about where it came from and the necessity to form a united front against the Arch-demon, since the darkspawn aren't picky about their targets. It also explained the origins of the group to which we would be co-opted early in the game. What I'm waiting to see is exactly how they introduce our new PC and how much up front information they are given. For example, the lore about Fen'Harel. Will it just be the Dalish version, which a citizen of Tevinter wouldn't necessarily be familiar with, or will it be the expanded history we learned in Trespasser? This latter part will largely depend on how much information the Inquisition disseminated to a wider audience. Even then, would an ordinary citizen be aware of it? So it is rather more complicated than recounting the generally accepted history of the Blights in Thedas and the origins of the Grey Wardens. To be honest, so far as the PC is concerned, I think it will be a case of them learning information as they go along from different companions and NPCs they meet. However, I'm curious to see how much they disclose outside of the game in order to entice in new players unfamiliar with the previous history of Solas. In other words, what is going to be the hook they use to reel them in?
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