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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 13, 2022 0:57:45 GMT
I just had Kaidan tell me he accepted the position as Spectre. I think he (and Ash) were both fit for the job. However, I can't help wondering if Udina didn't push it through because he was working for Cerberus and wanted a Spectre on "their" side. When Shepard first arrived on the Citadel, Udina is on decent terms with him or her. After the VS has been asked, Udina is already showing his dislike again.
As for the VS being in Cerberus's pocket, that could have been true. Not intentionally, but Udina did put Shepard and the VS in a position where one of them could have been killed. I don't think that was an accident. If Shepard died, Udina would probably have convinced the VS that Shep was the enemy, had been with Cerberus as had been suspected, and would now have to be vigilant against others. It would breed paranoia and Udina could sic the VS on any enemy of Cerberus.
This last part is conjecture but does anyone else think the change in behavior of Udina toward Shepard suggested that he was with Cerberus?
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 13, 2022 1:07:30 GMT
Maybe... I think that the VS was more of a meat shield for Udina, and once Mr. Lamo and crew showed up, I'm willing to bet he'd have no problems shooting the VS in the back once they dealt with Shepard and Co. (if the VS killed them, that is).
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Post by themikefest on Aug 13, 2022 2:01:32 GMT
It's possible by having A/K become the 2nd human spectre, both A/K and Shepard could be enough to influence the other councilors to give extra help for earth. Udina's change is most likely caused by knowing Earth is getting beat up with little to no help to stop the reapers. He panics by getting a hold of Cerberus. His intentions were good, but he went about it the wrong way. He just needed to have patience. If Udina was able to convince A/K Shepard is still working with/for Cerberus, then both are dumber than they lead on. Why would the squadmates follow Shepard if he/she was with Cerberus? Remember on Mars Cerberus attacked without any warning. Shepard and squad show up facing Udina and A/K without firing right away. What do you think Cerberus would have done in their place? Shoot A/K and the other councilors. As I've said several times before. The coup was crap from beginning to end. The other thing is the coup was meant to happen after Thessia.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 14, 2022 2:44:39 GMT
It's possible by having A/K become the 2nd human spectre, both A/K and Shepard could be enough to influence the other councilors to give extra help for earth. Maybe but there are tons of Spectres out there. Which doesn't mean it's not his logic. Udina's change is most likely caused by knowing Earth is getting beat up with little to no help to stop the reapers. He panics by getting a hold of Cerberus. His intentions were good, but he went about it the wrong way. He just needed to have patience. I completely understood this. He knew for a fact that Earth was hit hardest and the asari Councilor outright side that was okay but it would buy them more time. Of course he's looking for anyone at all to help and an organization that is powerful and works on behalf of humanity is the obvious choice. There was literally no one else, which was a bad position to have been stuck in. By the time he realized it was a mistake (assuming he did), it was too late. I didn't know this but once From Ashes became a DLC this was no longer possible.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 14, 2022 4:38:06 GMT
It's possible by having A/K become the 2nd human spectre, both A/K and Shepard could be enough to influence the other councilors to give extra help for earth. Udina's change is most likely caused by knowing Earth is getting beat up with little to no help to stop the reapers. He panics by getting a hold of Cerberus. His intentions were good, but he went about it the wrong way. He just needed to have patience. If Udina was able to convince A/K Shepard is still working with/for Cerberus, then both are dumber than they lead on. Why would the squadmates follow Shepard if he/she was with Cerberus? Remember on Mars Cerberus attacked without any warning. Shepard and squad show up facing Udina and A/K without firing right away. What do you think Cerberus would have done in their place? Shoot A/K and the other councilors. As I've said several times before. The coup was crap from beginning to end. The other thing is the coup was meant to happen after Thessia. It probably would have been better if it had happened after the asari got their blue asses handed to to them. But that'd leave the VS out of most of the game.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 14, 2022 11:26:32 GMT
It probably would have been better if it had happened after the asari got their blue asses handed to to them. But that'd leave the VS out of most of the game. True A/K would be sidelined for that time, but it would make sense since the way it currently happens doesn't. Nothing was gained for Cerberus. The mission backfired. That's the fault of the ponytail. The link I provided mentions a few other things that would have been different. I prefer that version vs the version that was released. It would be one of many reasons to remake ME3 or the trilogy.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 14, 2022 18:09:50 GMT
It probably would have been better if it had happened after the asari got their blue asses handed to to them. But that'd leave the VS out of most of the game. They could have reworked that somehow. Udina summons the VS back, provides compelling evidence that Shepard is indoctrinated and there we go. In fact, that might make more sense as to why the VS might or might not be shot. Toward the end of the game when more squadmates are susceptible to dying - even the one with plot armor until the beam run, and under certain circumstances - would be the perfect spot to allow them to live/die.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 14, 2022 18:44:59 GMT
It probably would have been better if it had happened after the asari got their blue asses handed to to them. But that'd leave the VS out of most of the game. They could have reworked that somehow. Udina summons the VS back, provides compelling evidence that Shepard is indoctrinated and there we go. In fact, that might make more sense as to why the VS might or might not be shot. Toward the end of the game when more squadmates are susceptible to dying - even the one with plot armor until the beam run, and under certain circumstances - would be the perfect spot to allow them to live/die. Hmmm... That could work.
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Post by Primitive God on Aug 19, 2022 4:21:26 GMT
Udina chose the VS because he needed someone easy to manipulate to do his bidding during the coup. Neither Kaidan or Ashley are worthy spectre candidates. Kaidans too soft and Ashley's too unremarkable.
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Post by Noxluxe on Aug 24, 2022 20:51:28 GMT
My understanding of Udina in ME3 is that he's pretty much just under the Illusive Man's thumb, desperately scrambling to keep the situation under control after realizing that the shadow organization he's been dealing with and can't extricate himself from is on the enemy side of an extinction war, and a single whiff of the fact will have C-Sec kicking down his office door.
IF he used his influence to force Kaiden through as a Spectre candidate then it was most likely originally at the Illusive Man's behest for some other long term plan before he was forced to improvise to try to maintain his cover during the evacuation, rather than because he had a personal animus against Shepard and was planning to orchestrate a showdown. I don't see him rocking his leaky little boat by trying to cook up some scheme against a galactic in the middle of the war effort. No matter how enormous a shitload of paperwork and headaches that hero has caused him through the years.
Personally I'd say Kaiden/Ashley advancing through a combination of merit and the Council speeding things along and lowering standards in a crisis feels plausible enough on its own.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 23:42:33 GMT
My understanding of Udina in ME3 is that he's pretty much just under the Illusive Man's thumb, desperately scrambling to keep the situation under control after realizing that the shadow organization he's been dealing with and can't extricate himself from is on the enemy side of an extinction war, and a single whiff of the fact will have C-Sec kicking down his office door. IF he used his influence to force Kaiden through as a Spectre candidate then it was most likely originally at the Illusive Man's behest for some other long term plan before he was forced to improvise to try to maintain his cover during the evacuation, rather than because he had a personal animus against Shepard and was planning to orchestrate a showdown. I don't see him rocking his leaky little boat by trying to cook up some scheme against a galactic in the middle of the war effort. No matter how enormous a shitload of paperwork and headaches that hero has caused him through the years. Personally I'd say Kaiden/Ashley advancing through a combination of merit and the Council speeding things along and lowering standards in a crisis feels plausible enough on its own. Yeah the Illusive man made it pretty clear he was just a figurehead that Cerberus was controlling like the many other politicians back on Earth they also controlled.
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