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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 13, 2022 12:43:22 GMT
Not really I thought it was good for what it was representing a burned out husk of a city that hadprobably been blasted by the Reapers. Also we knew even back then thanks to Vigil that any tech that survived being blasted ws taken after the Protheans were eliminated leaving only the ruins left. Onl ything that bothered me was how creepy fighting that Thorian was but I think that was intentional given what the Thorian was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2022 15:12:54 GMT
It's fair to say that it would've been damaged by the Reapers, but the structure of the building still doesn't look very Prothean (or what I would imagine Prothean architecture to look like).
I liked the Thorian's design, though the boss fight was pretty tedious on higher difficulties.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 13, 2022 17:48:52 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by it looking like something you'd find on Earth or Tuchanka? I'm actually not sure what you're referring to anyway. It's a giant road and some tunnels. What else makes you think of ruins from other worlds?
However, if you're seeing it, something to remember is that some Prothean ruins look exactly like pyramids, but smaller. You think that's a coincidence? Especially given we know that Protheans have visited Earth in the past?
If you're talking about skyscrapers, that only makes sense. They're like all of us, reaching for the stars and using buildings to get as high up as possible. Everything else we've seen are just the insides of buildings. We never see Illium, just the buildings the asari built. We also never see much of Feros, other than a small portion, and at least part of it is a human colony.
I'm just curious where you're coming from. Had we explored the exterior of these worlds maybe I could see it but I don't at this time.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 13, 2022 17:51:03 GMT
Not really I thought it was good for what it was representing a burned out husk of a city that hadprobably been blasted by the Reapers. Also we knew even back then thanks to Vigil that any tech that survived being blasted ws taken after the Protheans were eliminated leaving only the ruins left. Onl ything that bothered me was how creepy fighting that Thorian was but I think that was intentional given what the Thorian was. In ME4, I'd love to see either a return of the Thorian or discover that, like the thresher maws, it's capable of seeding other worlds. And this makes me think...what if there's a link between possible Thorian seeds and thresher maws? Just musing but connections like that could be interesting.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 13, 2022 17:52:06 GMT
It's fair to say that it would've been damaged by the Reapers, but the structure of the building still doesn't look very Prothean (or what I would imagine Prothean architecture to look like). I liked the Thorian's design, though the boss fight was pretty tedious on higher difficulties. We actually don't know that the Protheans created these buildings, only that they lived in them. Ilos springs to mind here.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 14, 2022 21:01:42 GMT
Not all prothean architecture needs to be the same all over the galaxy IMO. They might have different styles and periods, just like we do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2022 5:49:14 GMT
I'm not sure what you mean by it looking like something you'd find on Earth or Tuchanka? I'm actually not sure what you're referring to anyway. It's a giant road and some tunnels. What else makes you think of ruins from other worlds? However, if you're seeing it, something to remember is that some Prothean ruins look exactly like pyramids, but smaller. You think that's a coincidence? Especially given we know that Protheans have visited Earth in the past? If you're talking about skyscrapers, that only makes sense. They're like all of us, reaching for the stars and using buildings to get as high up as possible. Everything else we've seen are just the insides of buildings. We never see Illium, just the buildings the asari built. We also never see much of Feros, other than a small portion, and at least part of it is a human colony. I'm just curious where you're coming from. Had we explored the exterior of these worlds maybe I could see it but I don't at this time. What I'm getting at is a lot simpler than your reading: The interiors of the buildings are mostly comprised of bare concrete slab, steel, etc. The Feros metropolis was partially destroyed, yes, but it seems unlikely that all the tiling and decorum was magically ripped off the interior while the superstructure and exterior largely stayed intact.
The general design of the skyscrapers (and the fact that skyscrapers are found in more primitive cultures) is fine; that has nothing to do with what I'm commenting on. The design of Nos Astra *is* what I'm referring to in the case of Illium, not the planet itself. As an example, I could expect Feros' design to more resemble a damaged, weathered version of Nos Astra. But that's just an example; anything more high-tech/advanced would suffice.
Hope that clarifies.
The Feros metropolis may have been inhabited by the Inusannon, but the odds that a large city survived two consecutive cycles seems astronomically low.
AnDromedary This is almost certainly true if you're a galactic civilization, actually, but given that Feros was a prominent hub, it seems unlikely that the designs would be so low effort.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 26, 2022 17:02:11 GMT
The general design of the skyscrapers (and the fact that skyscrapers are found in more primitive cultures) is fine; that has nothing to do with what I'm commenting on. The design of Nos Astra *is* what I'm referring to in the case of Illium, not the planet itself. As an example, I could expect Feros' design to more resemble a damaged, weathered version of Nos Astra. But that's just an example; anything more high-tech/advanced would suffice. Still not quite sure. Asari built Illium and they're nearly identical to humans physically - at least on the outside. They'd probably build the way humans would build, which would be to accommodate people who are very much human in height and build. As far as the comparison with Feros, I'm not sure I agree. I could look at different places across Earth, some through time and some in the present, that are very much not like other cities. Moreover, you're talking about colonies. Colonies could easily do things their own way. I guess you see what you see but it doesn't line up in my head. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2022 17:54:48 GMT
The general design of the skyscrapers (and the fact that skyscrapers are found in more primitive cultures) is fine; that has nothing to do with what I'm commenting on. The design of Nos Astra *is* what I'm referring to in the case of Illium, not the planet itself. As an example, I could expect Feros' design to more resemble a damaged, weathered version of Nos Astra. But that's just an example; anything more high-tech/advanced would suffice. Still not quite sure. Asari built Illium and they're nearly identical to humans physically - at least on the outside. They'd probably build the way humans would build, which would be to accommodate people who are very much human in height and build. As far as the comparison with Feros, I'm not sure I agree. I could look at different places across Earth, some through time and some in the present, that are very much not like other cities. Moreover, you're talking about colonies. Colonies could easily do things their own way. I guess you see what you see but it doesn't line up in my head. Fair enough, but I'm still convinced there's some kind of miscommunication here. What I'm saying is actually extremely simple: Again, I'm talking about the interior design here in terms of materials (entire areas of bare concrete and steel despite a lot of the building(s) being mostly intact) and it looking like Bioware just went with basic assets in certain places for the sake of expediency (or it actually was their own vision, which is permissible as you say, but odd,) not general structural designs or whether the skyscrapers look "alien" enough, which is what you seem to be getting from my post.
Feros is not the Prothean homeworld, but it clearly wasn't some standard colony world either if you read up on it.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with Illium and the Asari? I'm using Illium as a benchmark of comparison for aesthetics, nothing more.
Maybe that helps? I think you're reading more into what I'm saying than is actually there, especially with Illium.
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 26, 2022 18:33:20 GMT
Well, of course, it's expediency in game design. But also think about it, these structures are 50.000 years old, 50.000! The material we see there is most certainly not simple concrete and steel. Much more likely some very dense construction material, created with ME fields. Otherwise, those skyscrapers would most certainly not be standing anymore.
Also, we hear in the lore that these ruins have been scavenged for artifacts and trinkets more than once before the humans ever came there. So it does make perfect sense to me that any kind of design element htat goes beyond the barebone structural elements of the building would either have disintegrated over time or taken by looters at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2022 20:33:36 GMT
Well, of course, it's expediency in game design. But also think about it, these structures are 50.000 years old, 50.000! The material we see there is most certainly not simple concrete and steel. Much more likely some very dense construction material, created with ME fields. Otherwise, those skyscrapers would most certainly not be standing anymore. Also, we hear in the lore that these ruins have been scavenged for artifacts and trinkets more than once before the humans ever came there. So it does make perfect sense to me that any kind of design element htat goes beyond the barebone structural elements of the building would either have disintegrated over time or taken by looters at this point. 1. Is it, though? I brought that up as a hypothetical. It seems like you're just using that as a sort of "duh!" moment to discredit my argument, despite there being no evidence for it. At a dubious best, this is something that could be written off as a meta issue; at worst, your concession of this hypothetical fact actually *supports* my argument.
2. The "everything just disintegrated in a uniform fashion" part is what I'm not convinced of (This is actually what my post is about, so at least we're on the same page now.) Consider too the skyscraper exteriors are largely preserved aside from sites of impact and some degradation, looking at pictures of Feros. This is what I would expect the interior to more closely resemble.
In the lore, the Reapers send their thralls to remove most technology from the remnants of each civilization they purge, so that would've taken care of a lot of it. Looters almost certainly took leftover trinkets and artifacts, as you said. But tore the place like an onion peel? I doubt that. That's a bit far-fetched
It seems the best way to frame this is that there's a mismatch between reasonable expectations. You can invent a bunch of convoluted scenarios without much concrete evidence, but all of it is really nebulous; your comment about material being fortified with mass effect fields, for example. But that doesn't matter, anyway: What the supporting materials exactly are is only tangentially related to the issue here.
Maybe just agree to disagree at this point.
edit: format fix; 1. covers the very first statement
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Post by AnDromedary on Sept 26, 2022 20:36:33 GMT
Maybe just agree to disagree at this point. Since I don't really have a problem with Feros, that seems like a good way to go. 
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