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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 28, 2022 14:59:57 GMT
Romances can often be a media bunfight for BioWare.
I’m attracted to the idea that they say:
‘Everyone gets a romance. You’ll discover the options when you play the game.’
Would that work or would you be bereft at missing the extended pre-launch love interest discussion?
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Oct 28, 2022 15:11:58 GMT
Romances can often be a media bunfight for BioWare. I’m attracted to the idea that they say: ‘Everyone gets a romance. You’ll discover the options when you play the game.’ Would that work or would you be bereft at missing the extended pre-launch love interest discussion? It would suck for me personally, because I'd have to plan to have my first character romance nobody. Romance options are one of those things I have to have sorted out beforehand, like my character's race, class, gender, weapon choice, specialisation and - in Inquisition - what mount they were going to ride. That's purely a roleplaying idiosyncrasy of my own, though. (It would be different if no options were race or genderlocked and it wasn't possible to miss them through not flirting soon enough, but if I hadn't known who was and wasn't available going into DAI my Inquisitor would have missed Blackwall and ended up single for sure.)
I can see some appeal for BioWare in not telling anyone anything, but on the other hand it could just cause more Sturm und Drang among the hardcore fans. I still remember what it was like around the forums when we knew about some of the DAI romances and not others, I'm not sure having no information at all wouldn't just make it even worse. Better to just pick a day and announce them all at once like they did for DA2. That was a really fun Valentine's Day! Pity the timing is likely to be way off for them to pick February 14th this time around.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Oct 29, 2022 4:00:32 GMT
I don't care about the pre launch romance diuscussion. But I prefer to know who is romancable by whom. Regardless of whether I want to do a romance and don't want to waste time on an unromanceble character and potentially miss out on the oppurtunity to romance a different one, or whether I want to tell an unrequited love story and go for a character who I know won't return my character feelings. And while I didn't actually know who, if anyone, my Cadash would romance going into my first dai playthrough, I did know who was romancable which meant when I got to know Josephine I knew it was worth actually trying to romance her despite the fact that she was completely oblivious to my Cadash's initial attempts at flirting.
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Post by xerrai on Oct 29, 2022 4:18:52 GMT
I mean, I'd guess it would be nice. But it's not a hard requirement for me. In fact, I think I'll get a heightened experience going into a game blind to those possibilities (as I was for the case for me finding Solas in DAI).
At most, I would want to know the number of potential options for a given race/gender option.
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Post by Gwydden on Oct 29, 2022 4:21:26 GMT
I don't care about spoilers, and I'd rather they show something in their marketing. Companions are the stars of the show in Bioware games, so it'd be bizarre not knowing about them beforehand. I wouldn't mind if which are romanceable and by whom was left a mystery, though; that'd lead to some nice speculation and juicy drama round these parts ahead of release
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Oct 29, 2022 5:56:27 GMT
Not a big priority for me.
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Post by NotN7 on Oct 29, 2022 6:09:51 GMT
Me? I like a mystery, so I said play the game to me it's no different than the real life dating circuit you just never know what type of person you'll run across.
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Post by necrowaif on Oct 29, 2022 6:43:32 GMT
Knowing the romance options helps me choose a character, so I prefer some advance knowledge. ‘Everyone gets a romance. Literally impossible. You could never satisfy the wants and desires of the entire fanbase.
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Post by coldsteelblue on Oct 29, 2022 7:38:04 GMT
voted for let me discover in game, it makes it more organic in my opinion
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 29, 2022 16:11:41 GMT
Literally impossible. You could never satisfy the wants and desires of the entire fanbase. I'm simply saying there will be different permutations for different people.
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Post by Beerfish on Oct 29, 2022 16:35:39 GMT
I would prefer not a word being spoken about romances before hand.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 29, 2022 17:40:03 GMT
Definitely prefer them letting everyone know about the romances beforehand. I don’t want to have to go in blind about which ones require sex or not.
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Post by TabithaTH on Oct 29, 2022 19:21:37 GMT
As long as they say whether or not romances are a thing in the game, I don’t absolutely have to know who’s romanceable in advance. I did look at the options for DA2 and DAI, however in both cases I found that I ended up romancing someone other than who I’d initially planned.
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Post by Walter Black on Oct 29, 2022 20:52:45 GMT
I'm torn; on one hand, I miss the joys of discovery and potential character developments. On the other hand, I recognize the reality that most people have little time for gaming, and may not want to waste it on characters that might not return their affection, and/or care for the paths said romances could take.
So I vote bare essential spoilers, as in who is available to whom. Beyond that, surprise me...
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Post by Croatsky on Oct 29, 2022 23:38:07 GMT
Nah I don't want to try and pursue a romance with a character only to learn they can't be romanced.
As well knowing my romance options ahead of time helps me build what kind of protagonist I want to create.
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Post by zarrokhai on Oct 30, 2022 8:07:49 GMT
I don't need too many details on the character. Rather simply knowing their gender and sexuality is enough. The rest I can learn for myself as I play through the game. But knowing the above mentioned will help me so I know who I can and can't romance on a first playthrough. I don't want to feel like I've wasted my time trying to get with someone who's unavailable. Lord knows that happens enough times in real life.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 13:39:24 GMT
Definitely prefer them letting everyone know about the romances beforehand. I don’t want to have to go in blind about which ones require sex or not. A simpler option is that any love interest sex scene is always preceded by a choice to bail from it (without negating the relationship). I could see them doing that. I would also prefer that to m/f sex scenes being shown and other permutations being 'fade to grey'. Everyone should get a sex scene (or a choice not to).
More generally, detailed romance explanations in the marketing are only going to unleash a pile of internet nonsense and I'm not sure its worth it.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 30, 2022 14:22:01 GMT
Romances are minor optional side content for me, so I'm fine to discover any details in game.
That said, I don't mind a peek at the companions in general during the marketing phase, there might be a few that I would look forward to having in my party.
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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 30, 2022 15:02:37 GMT
I don't want to feel like I've wasted my time trying to get with someone who's unavailable. Lord knows that happens enough times in real life. I don't mind if it turns out that someone I have been flirting with is unavailable provided it doesn't ruin my chances with someone else who is. This is why it was helpful knowing about Dorian in advance because whilst it didn't stop me flirting with him, it did mean I didn't ignore the prompt to flirt with Solas as well, which otherwise I might have done. So far as I can tell, ignoring the first prompt shut off his romance for good. There was a similar thing with DA2 and Fenris. Now everyone there was player orientated, so no one was off limits. However, Fenris was really tricky in that having a fling with anyone else immediately stopped his romance from progressing. This meant there was no chance of you having a change of heart and realising your mistake. So, I'd just like a bit of consistency with how the romances work but otherwise am happy to take it as it comes without knowing in advance. Maybe it takes a while for me to warm to someone instead of instantly falling for them, so I'd like my options left open and not cut off by failing to click on the heart icon the first time it presents itself. To be honest, I'd also prefer a return to what we had in DAO, where the romance dialogue and the general dialogue were kept separate, so you don't feel obliged to follow the romance path to the exclusion of other dialogue options. Also, perhaps, for the other person to take the initiative some of the time as also happened in DAO. Some of the prompts in DA2 felt completely out of place in the conversation and being flirty when it really wasn't appropriate. DAI was better in that respect but it still seemed like my PC was always the one pushing the relationship forward, at least in the beginning. It would be nice to role play my PC as perhaps a little shy and unassuming once in a while.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2022 15:18:44 GMT
Definitely prefer them letting everyone know about the romances beforehand. I don’t want to have to go in blind about which ones require sex or not. A simpler option is that any love interest sex scene is always preceded by a choice to bail from it (without negating the relationship). I could see them doing that. I would also prefer that to m/f sex scenes being shown and other permutations being 'fade to grey'. Everyone should get a sex scene (or a choice not to).
More generally, detailed romance explanations in the marketing are only going to unleash a pile of internet nonsense and I'm not sure its worth it. Simpler maybe, but not better. I’m hoping some characters are written so that they can be played by Ace people or even seen as Ace themselves. And sometimes the opting out doesn’t do that. For example you can say no to Jaal, but the game acts like you did the deed anyway. On the flip side, Josephine’s romance wouldn’t work if there was a sex scene because the writer explicitly stated she wanted to write a romance that focused solely on the emotional side of the relationship. Do agree that all orientations should have at least one romance that gives them a sex scene. It’s the Internet. No matter what they do it’ll do that. Plus they’ve discussed romances many times after the ME1 Fox thing and it’s never devolved into that. Even Fox realized they were stupid for that (I think the author who argued against it even apologized).
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Post by smilesja on Oct 30, 2022 16:13:12 GMT
Romances can often be a media bunfight for BioWare. I’m attracted to the idea that they say: ‘Everyone gets a romance. You’ll discover the options when you play the game.’ Would that work or would you be bereft at missing the extended pre-launch love interest discussion? How I would feel if romances weren't marketed:
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 17:17:47 GMT
M/M especially since they still haven’t gotten one ever. Wasn't there a M/M Jaal sex scene?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2022 19:01:05 GMT
M/M especially since they still haven’t gotten one ever. Wasn't there a M/M Jaal sex scene? You are correct. I completely forgot about that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 20:15:09 GMT
You are correct. I completely forgot about that. I'd post it here, because I thought both versions were actually rather well done, buuuuuut maybe I won't, they're quite fruity for ProBoards' tastes, you know how it is...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 1:32:40 GMT
Romances can often be a media bunfight for BioWare. What does this idiom mean? It is not familiar in Merkin vernacular. Assuming it means a pain in the bun for BioWare, it only is a problem maybe in the past because BioWare has been mostly progressive in their handling of romance for (almost) all people, which ruffles feathers of certain conservative groups? The masses buy the games, not the vulture capitalists. Make the game for the masses, fuck the noise. Read this as my opinion. Seems adequate to me. I'm anti-spoiler by nature, so I don't need to know beforehand if we get to see Dorian bring Iron Bull "back from the dead". I am all for that, and also can live without it, but I'd prefer to find out. This question has an interesting feel to it. Something ofishy. Ofishyial. Official fishing mission. Not judging, observing.
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