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Post by Shinobu on Nov 9, 2022 21:48:07 GMT
I've made no secret of my opinion that it will be nearly impossible to set the next game close to the end of the Reaper War and have Shepard and crew alive. Well, I may have to eat my words.
Twitter user Togepi filtered out the distortion and it looks strangely familiar when you scrub back and forth. Thanks to N7Pathfinder for finding it! Link
I superimposed the Normandy flying through the Omega 4 relay and it lines up pretty well (I had to tilt the frame).
Also, I'm pretty sure I know everything Liara is saying and one very important word that I think the geth is uttering. Watch to the end for the full conversation.
Please don't freak out. I could be mistaken.
I wondered why Liara could understand a geth and it turns out he's speaking through a translator (i.e., in English). They are watching the surveillance footage together.
The ripple is indeed a ship and apparently not just any stealth ship.
[ripple]
[geth] [unintelligible] The Normandy
[Liara] I can see it. How did we miss this?
[geth] [unintelligible]
[Liara] Exactly. The Council will be furious. Though they should know by now not to underestimate human defiance. It always was their most endearing trait.
[geth] [unintelligible]
So whoever the humans are on the Normandy, they were apparently forbidden by the Council to go to this place where the relay is being built, but went anyway. Liara sounds fond but exasperated.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 11, 2022 19:41:41 GMT
Ok, so after the conversation was posted, someone asked Mike Gamble if all of the secrets had been revealed and he said no, that there were more. I think I've found a small thing that could be quite specific.
The horizon in the image is flat even though we are supposedly seeing the planet from space. That means it's not a sphere. And where else have we seen a flat habitable structure? The 2020 teaser trailer.
I've thought that the original concept art could have been set on the disc in the trailer but now I'm even more suspicious.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 15, 2022 8:34:56 GMT
What flat habitable structure did we see in the 2020 teaser? I just rewatched it and can't spot it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 15, 2022 8:40:24 GMT
There is a slight curvature on that horizon, which means whatever that object is it is massive. Almost certainly a gas giant or maybe even a brown dwarf.
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Post by Salitiborne on Nov 15, 2022 9:09:21 GMT
I wonder why there is 314 number there in the video (when we can read the description Vacuum Dock Relay Construction etc.). This number reminds me of Relay 314. According to the Wiki Turians caught Humans trying to activate the dormant 314 relay. Here is a quote from a Fandm website: [https://apricity.fandom.com/wiki/Relay_314_Incident#:~:text=The%20Relay%20314%20Incident%2C%20also,explorers%20and%20a%20turian%20patrol.]
"Having made no contact with other sapient species, the newly formed Systems Alliance sought new star systems to colonise by opening all the relays accessible after humanity's initial discovery of the Charon Relay in their home system. Human explorers were undertaking the reactivation of the dormant relay catalogued 314 when a turian patrol detected their vessels. Upon discovering what the unknown species were attempting, the turian commander opened fire, destroying or crippling all but one human ship, which escaped to bring word of the encounter to the Alliance."
Since the Relay 314 was an existing one, created by the Reapers and the canon seems to be the red ending, maybe this is an attempt to reconstruct the 314 Relay and maybe this will be the relay connecting Milky Way with Andromeda?
And on that occasion I have one more thought that reminds me my old theory - what if the Jardaan were actually Protheans, they moved to Andromeda from Milky Way using this relay and then sealed it off so the Reapers wouldn't know and didn't follow them? Vigil says that the Protheans were "on the cusp of unlocking the secrets of mass relays". And if you played through Andromeda maybe you remember the monuments at Mithrava Sanctuary looked very much like Protheans. Some suggest that it was just laziness of the creators and repurposing some old designs. But maybe not? One more thing that might point towards Protheans - in Suvi's romance scene she is analyzing 'a building blocks of Heleus life' hologram that is looks like a quad strand DNA. And who had a quad strand DNA? The Protheans...
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 15, 2022 11:52:31 GMT
Hmm could be... I think it also might be in the satherium system, cause it was written inside the video file and makes sense tbh. Also the Normandy part might sound like it, but it could also be something else cause they added many voices again just like on the teaser trailer. Two things I've heard are checking/hacking but I'm more sure about the latter. drive.google.com/folderview?id=1gPtjf6EuOW6h9R80Zlj_KYAeDqUsdacG |
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 16, 2022 22:07:34 GMT
What flat habitable structure did we see in the 2020 teaser? I just rewatched it and can't spot it. Thoretically the flat disc will have a portion in the Goldilocks zone where liquid water can exist and organics could live.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 16, 2022 22:11:08 GMT
There is a slight curvature on that horizon, which means whatever that object is it is massive. Almost certainly a gas giant or maybe even a brown dwarf. There really isn't a curve, although I admit that a planet big enough might make the curve almost imperceptible. That is not a gas giant, though, because I can see rivers on it (look through the central ring).
I'm convinced it's the disc, but it's fine if you don't agree.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 16, 2022 22:21:29 GMT
There is a slight curvature on that horizon, which means whatever that object is it is massive. Almost certainly a gas giant or maybe even a brown dwarf. There really isn't a curve, although I admit that a planet big enough might make the curve almost imperceptible. That is not a gas giant, though, because I can see rivers on it (look through the central ring).
I'm convinced it's the disc, but it's fine if you don't agree.
It looks nothing like the disc. If those are rivers, it could be a super Earth or something. To be honest I don’t suspect it to be anything. It’s just concept since they aren’t far enough in development for actual renders. |
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 16, 2022 22:43:00 GMT
I wonder why there is 314 number there in the video (when we can read the description Vacuum Dock Relay Construction etc.). This number reminds me of Relay 314. According to the Wiki Turians caught Humans trying to activate the dormant 314 relay. Here is a quote from a Fandm website: [https://apricity.fandom.com/wiki/Relay_314_Incident#:~:text=The%20Relay%20314%20Incident%2C%20also,explorers%20and%20a%20turian%20patrol.] "Having made no contact with other sapient species, the newly formed Systems Alliance sought new star systems to colonise by opening all the relays accessible after humanity's initial discovery of the Charon Relay in their home system. Human explorers were undertaking the reactivation of the dormant relay catalogued 314 when a turian patrol detected their vessels. Upon discovering what the unknown species were attempting, the turian commander opened fire, destroying or crippling all but one human ship, which escaped to bring word of the encounter to the Alliance." Since the Relay 314 was an existing one, created by the Reapers and the canon seems to be the red ending, maybe this is an attempt to reconstruct the 314 Relay and maybe this will be the relay connecting Milky Way with Andromeda? And on that occasion I have one more thought that reminds me my old theory - what if the Jardaan were actually Protheans, they moved to Andromeda from Milky Way using this relay and then sealed it off so the Reapers wouldn't know and didn't follow them? Vigil says that the Protheans were "on the cusp of unlocking the secrets of mass relays". And if you played through Andromeda maybe you remember the monuments at Mithrava Sanctuary looked very much like Protheans. Some suggest that it was just laziness of the creators and repurposing some old designs. But maybe not? One more thing that might point towards Protheans - in Suvi's romance scene she is analyzing 'a building blocks of Heleus life' hologram that is looks like a quad strand DNA. And who had a quad strand DNA? The Protheans... Yes, the 314 is suspicious for the relay that started the first contact war.
I like your idea of this relay connecting the galaxies. I do believe the two will be connected by the end of the game.
The Prothean and Jardaan architecture do look similar. Maybe they are both descended from the same aliens or one gave rise to the other. Or maybe that "Prothean" architecture was just inherited by the Protheans from someone else (Jardaan or Jardaan ancestors). I didn't know that about the quad strand DNA in Suvi's romance scene, that's very interesting! Didn't EDI say that only the protheans had quad strand DNA in the Milky Way? So if it's that rare, it seems significant that it's also found in Andromeda.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 16, 2022 22:56:16 GMT
Hmm could be... I think it also might be in the satherium system, cause it was written inside the video file and makes sense tbh. Also the Normandy part might sound like it, but it could also be something else cause they added many voices again just like on the teaser trailer. Two things I've heard are checking/hacking but I'm more sure about the latter. drive.google.com/folderview?id=1gPtjf6EuOW6h9R80Zlj_KYAeDqUsdacGThere's no Satherium system on the current galaxy map, so it could be anywhere in the Milky Way. If it is related to Relay 314, that would be somewhere a Turian patrol would be and also where humanity could reach using the Charon relay. If it is the disc world seen in the trailer as I suspect, it might be in the region of the Perseus veil and Far Rim.
It is possible I'm hearing the "Normandy" and it's actually not saying that, kind of like the green needle/brainstorm thing.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 16, 2022 23:00:52 GMT
There really isn't a curve, although I admit that a planet big enough might make the curve almost imperceptible. That is not a gas giant, though, because I can see rivers on it (look through the central ring).
I'm convinced it's the disc, but it's fine if you don't agree.
It looks nothing like the disc. If those are rivers, it could be a super Earth or something. To be honest I don’t suspect it to be anything. It’s just concept since they aren’t far enough in development for actual renders. Disc flat, planet flat. Disc brown, planet brown. "Nothing like" is a bit categorical. An Alderson disc can have rivers on it.
True, it may not be anything; only time will tell. But I suspect we've seen this same area in multiple pieces of concept art so far.
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Post by Salitiborne on Nov 17, 2022 10:08:30 GMT
I wonder why there is 314 number there in the video (when we can read the description Vacuum Dock Relay Construction etc.). This number reminds me of Relay 314. According to the Wiki Turians caught Humans trying to activate the dormant 314 relay. Here is a quote from a Fandm website: [https://apricity.fandom.com/wiki/Relay_314_Incident#:~:text=The%20Relay%20314%20Incident%2C%20also,explorers%20and%20a%20turian%20patrol.] "Having made no contact with other sapient species, the newly formed Systems Alliance sought new star systems to colonise by opening all the relays accessible after humanity's initial discovery of the Charon Relay in their home system. Human explorers were undertaking the reactivation of the dormant relay catalogued 314 when a turian patrol detected their vessels. Upon discovering what the unknown species were attempting, the turian commander opened fire, destroying or crippling all but one human ship, which escaped to bring word of the encounter to the Alliance." Since the Relay 314 was an existing one, created by the Reapers and the canon seems to be the red ending, maybe this is an attempt to reconstruct the 314 Relay and maybe this will be the relay connecting Milky Way with Andromeda? And on that occasion I have one more thought that reminds me my old theory - what if the Jardaan were actually Protheans, they moved to Andromeda from Milky Way using this relay and then sealed it off so the Reapers wouldn't know and didn't follow them? Vigil says that the Protheans were "on the cusp of unlocking the secrets of mass relays". And if you played through Andromeda maybe you remember the monuments at Mithrava Sanctuary looked very much like Protheans. Some suggest that it was just laziness of the creators and repurposing some old designs. But maybe not? One more thing that might point towards Protheans - in Suvi's romance scene she is analyzing 'a building blocks of Heleus life' hologram that is looks like a quad strand DNA. And who had a quad strand DNA? The Protheans... Yes, the 314 is suspicious for the relay that started the first contact war.
I like your idea of this relay connecting the galaxies. I do believe the two will be connected by the end of the game.
The Prothean and Jardaan architecture do look similar. Maybe they are both descended from the same aliens or one gave rise to the other. Or maybe that "Prothean" architecture was just inherited by the Protheans from someone else (Jardaan or Jardaan ancestors). I didn't know that about the quad strand DNA in Suvi's romance scene, that's very interesting! Didn't EDI say that only the protheans had quad strand DNA in the Milky Way? So if it's that rare, it seems significant that it's also found in Andromeda.
Halleluyah! Finally someone agrees with me to some extent  On the other hand Mike Gamble said it is not a relay. But as you guys said, the narrative changes, just like Protheans' look so I guess we shouln't get to attache to anything at this point. And one more thing to add on Jardaan - Prothean similarity - the monuments in Mithrava Sanctuary on Havarl look very similar to Protheans... I can't wait for the next Mass Effect game... But I guess it will still be a few years... EDIT: I can't help it but I still keep looking for possible leads and my search led me to some new assumptions. Maybe Kholas Array wasn't built by Geth, they just found it and were using it to study something. Maybe the array was built by some earlier civilizations, Geth got Reaper upgrades after the Andromeda Initiative has launched, would they have the necessary knowledge and technology to do it? Somehow I think not. During LOTSW Liara says that she looked through old Broker's files and he dedicated a lot of resources to study Protheans, he seemed to think "they had some other plan". I still think that Liara is the Benefactor, she took over the data bases after defeating the Yahg and upon learning what the Shadow Broker discovered about Protheans she decided to help the Initiative and save the life originating from Milky Way. She has also created these little computers and seeded them all over, as if she was trying to do whatever she could to ensure the survival of life...
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Post by hoku on Nov 17, 2022 22:08:39 GMT
I don't remember the full quote/question when Gamble was asked about the initial concept art being a relay. (EDIT:
But I have a hunch that his answer/denial maybe is pointing towards the "human designation" and not necessarily the "relay" part.
Or it has change during development.
Either way I'm excited for Mass Effect will continue and thanks to some awesome N7 day analysis from everybody here.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 18, 2022 0:46:23 GMT
Yes, the 314 is suspicious for the relay that started the first contact war.
I like your idea of this relay connecting the galaxies. I do believe the two will be connected by the end of the game.
The Prothean and Jardaan architecture do look similar. Maybe they are both descended from the same aliens or one gave rise to the other. Or maybe that "Prothean" architecture was just inherited by the Protheans from someone else (Jardaan or Jardaan ancestors). I didn't know that about the quad strand DNA in Suvi's romance scene, that's very interesting! Didn't EDI say that only the protheans had quad strand DNA in the Milky Way? So if it's that rare, it seems significant that it's also found in Andromeda.
Halleluyah! Finally someone agrees with me to some extent On the other hand Mike Gamble said it is not a relay. But as you guys said, the narrative changes, just like Protheans' look so I guess we shouln't get to attache to anything at this point. And one more thing to add on Jardaan - Prothean similarity - the monuments in Mithrava Sanctuary on Havarl look very similar to Protheans... I can't wait for the next Mass Effect game... But I guess it will still be a few years... EDIT: I can't help it but I still keep looking for possible leads and my search led me to some new assumptions. Maybe Kholas Array wasn't built by Geth, they just found it and were using it to study something. Maybe the array was built by some earlier civilizations, Geth got Reaper upgrades after the Andromeda Initiative has launched, would they have the necessary knowledge and technology to do it? Somehow I think not. During LOTSW Liara says that she looked through old Broker's files and he dedicated a lot of resources to study Protheans, he seemed to think "they had some other plan". I still think that Liara is the Benefactor, she took over the data bases after defeating the Yahg and upon learning what the Shadow Broker discovered about Protheans she decided to help the Initiative and save the life originating from Milky Way. She has also created these little computers and seeded them all over, as if she was trying to do whatever she could to ensure the survival of life... Ha ha, I know what it's like to be bringing up theories and having no one agreeing with me, too! As Hoku pointed out, Mike never said specifically that it wasn't a relay.
I don't remember the monuments. Didn't they look like Angara?
Yes, why were the geth looking at Andromeda? Were they planning to escape the organics by moving galaxies? Or were they looking for someone?
It would be interesting if Liara were the benefactor. The old broker knew something was up. Maybe he was the original benefactor and Liara continued the project.
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Post by Shinobu on Nov 18, 2022 0:53:20 GMT
I don't remember the full quote/question when Gamble was asked about the initial concept art being a relay. (EDIT: But I have a hunch that his answer/denial maybe is pointing towards the "human designation" and not necessarily the "relay" part. Or it has change during development. Either way I'm excited for Mass Effect will continue and thanks to some awesome N7 day analysis from everybody here. It's interesting that the background changed from that watery, artificial canal and Prothean pillars look to a more natural look.
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Post by hulluliini on Nov 18, 2022 8:47:45 GMT
If you google "mithrava statue", you'll find images of them. The headgear or helmet or whatever has a Prothean-like silhouette but the bodies are clearly Angaran.
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Post by Salitiborne on Nov 18, 2022 13:06:59 GMT
Halleluyah! Finally someone agrees with me to some extent On the other hand Mike Gamble said it is not a relay. But as you guys said, the narrative changes, just like Protheans' look so I guess we shouln't get to attache to anything at this point. And one more thing to add on Jardaan - Prothean similarity - the monuments in Mithrava Sanctuary on Havarl look very similar to Protheans... I can't wait for the next Mass Effect game... But I guess it will still be a few years... EDIT: I can't help it but I still keep looking for possible leads and my search led me to some new assumptions. Maybe Kholas Array wasn't built by Geth, they just found it and were using it to study something. Maybe the array was built by some earlier civilizations, Geth got Reaper upgrades after the Andromeda Initiative has launched, would they have the necessary knowledge and technology to do it? Somehow I think not. During LOTSW Liara says that she looked through old Broker's files and he dedicated a lot of resources to study Protheans, he seemed to think "they had some other plan". I still think that Liara is the Benefactor, she took over the data bases after defeating the Yahg and upon learning what the Shadow Broker discovered about Protheans she decided to help the Initiative and save the life originating from Milky Way. She has also created these little computers and seeded them all over, as if she was trying to do whatever she could to ensure the survival of life... Ha ha, I know what it's like to be bringing up theories and having no one agreeing with me, too! As Hoku pointed out, Mike never said specifically that it wasn't a relay.
I don't remember the monuments. Didn't they look like Angara?
Yes, why were the geth looking at Andromeda? Were they planning to escape the organics by moving galaxies? Or were they looking for someone?
It would be interesting if Liara were the benefactor. The old broker knew something was up. Maybe he was the original benefactor and Liara continued the project.
That's exactly what I think happened, that Liara took over the resources and knowledge and seeing potential in it she continued supporting the Andromeda Initiative as the Benefactor. On the other hand on Eos you can find a tablet with a message from Kett to 'a benefactor' talking about seeing their homeworld. Here is the link to the message: i.imgur.com/4OgkBok.png As someone on reddit have suggested it is a translation from Tonaizhet so it might be a benefactor, not The Benefactor... It would be very uncanny if this is just a coincidence... There would be a second figure that could be one - The Illusive Man. Maybe his evil clone stayed in Milky Way and he flew away to Andromeda? Naaah, too far fetched  And yes, maybe Mike Gamble didn't refer to the part about the relay just to something else... In Shinobi602's post there are two elements, human designation and Mass Relay. Many people including me thought that the negation refers to Mass Relay guess, but if not then the only thing to be negated would be human designation. However, in the message from Liara she talks about 'human defiance' which would suggest that this ship/relay might have something to do with humans afterall... EDIT: One more thought - I have been playing MELE3 right now and something came to my mind - there are inactive platforms of Geth at the old quarian station called Haratar in the Sea of Storms at the Phoenix Massing System. They could be reactivated by Quarians or Geth themselves, would make sense to explain their survival. If the EMP didn't render these platforms useless then maybe the Crucible hasn't done so either...
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