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Post by Primitive God on Sept 7, 2023 12:20:58 GMT
At the end of the Reaper IFF mission, Shepard will say that no one's ever found a geth intact.. Well, if you've already completed Overlord, Shepard sees firsthand that Cerberus had several Intact geth and were using them for experiments.. Making Shepard's comment on the derelict reaper false.
Plus during Tali's loyalty mission, Shepard and Tali see that Rael was running experiments on inactive, intact geth units. Which makes Shepard/Tali's comment during the IFF mission even stranger..
So, chronologically speaking, the dialogue would suggest that both Overlord and Tali's loyalty mission take place after meeting Legion, when Shepard says the geth intact line. It's a little nitpick, but I noticed this continuity error today. Another reason I think overlord may fit better post IFF is the cash bounty line from Miranda. Cerberus would be more likely to want legions corpse for study if Overlord hadn't already been shut down.
if you play the IFF, Tali's Loyalty and Overlord back to back it has one constant theme... The geth. It feels like a cohesive story arc and it's a nice change of pace from the collector main plot. One downside is you'll lose Kelly if you play it this way. But doing overlord around the time of the crew abduction provides an excuse for why none of the squad were on the ship during the collector invasion..since you can switch squads freely during overlord, it's logical to think that the entire squad were actually on aite, ready to be at Shepards disposal.Thus leaving the ship and the crew ripe for pickings
Any thoughts?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 7, 2023 21:54:35 GMT
ME2 didn't have a real cohesive story what it had was strong character work and skeleton of a plot so that the characters would be introduced and expanded the ME Universe.
Part of the problem with Legion is that the character comes in so late it kind of hard to figure out how Legion fits in, because unless you're willing to let the crew die, it's basically: reactivate Legion, talk, do Legion's loyalty quest, talk some more and get Legion's sniper rifle, and then crew get captured, and then it's off to attack Collector's base.
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Post by Primitive God on Sept 7, 2023 22:57:22 GMT
ME2 didn't have a real cohesive story what it had was strong character work and skeleton of a plot so that the characters would be introduced and expanded the ME Universe. Part of the problem with Legion is that the character comes in so late it kind of hard to figure out how Legion fits in, because unless you're willing to let the crew die, it's basically: reactivate Legion, talk, do Legion's loyalty quest, talk some more and get Legion's sniper rifle, and then crew get captured, and then it's off to attack Collector's base. it's definitely worth getting Legion early, at least for one playthrough. The people you lose are pretty inconsequential. Daniels and Donnelly both play a pretty miniscule role in 3, funny, ambient dialogue, but if you've already heard all their quips several times, you're not exactly missing much. And chambers has maybe 5 minutes of screen time in 3, and her character is full of immersion breaking bugs. Like the infamous " talks about the coup before the coup happens" The extra time with Legion far outweighs those background characters imo |
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Post by themikefest on Sept 8, 2023 0:57:33 GMT
Part of the problem with Legion is that the character comes in so late it kind of hard to figure out how Legion fits in, because unless you're willing to let the crew die, Why would the crew die? They only die if the player chooses to do more than 2 misssions after getting the IFF or Shepard not sending an escort back with the crew. Once the IFF mission is completed, the player can have up to two missions to complete before having to go through the relay unless everything else has been done. I've been able to take Legion on Tali's loyalty mission before going through the relay, and able to take Tali on Legion's loyalty mission. I believe I did both before going through the relay in one playthrough.
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Sept 13, 2023 16:57:49 GMT
I hadn't noticed the continuity bug before. I usually do Overlord early so as to avoid having it count towards the ticking clocks after Horizon.
Though if you do Overlord after the main mission, you get a continuity error in ME3 where Shepard says (s)he cut ties with Cerberus after the Collector Base. That's at least technically untrue even if you got the notice earlier and just waited to go there, because TIM sends another e-mail after Overlord is complete.
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Post by Primitive God on Sept 14, 2023 0:38:40 GMT
I hadn't noticed the continuity bug before. I usually do Overlord early so as to avoid having it count towards the ticking clocks after Horizon. Though if you do Overlord after the main mission, you get a continuity error in ME3 where Shepard says (s)he cut ties with Cerberus after the Collector Base. That's at least technically untrue even if you got the notice earlier and just waited to go there, because TIM sends another e-mail after Overlord is complete. a similar continuity error occurs during LOTSB. The general consensus is that the mission fits best after the SM.. But the dialogue throughout the DLC assumes that Shepard is still working with Cerberus, even though Shepard cuts ties with them following the SM. ( All endings, even the one where you hand the base over to TIM has Shepard say " You go your way I'll go mine" To TIM. The tone is different depending on your dialogue/end game choice, but the message is still the same. So Vasir's big " You're working with Terrorist's" Rant falls flat, because Shepard has in fact, cut ties with them. Strangely, Shepard doesn't correct her on this. I always found it odd going straight to illium after the epic Suicide mission anyway. So I like to do Shadow Broker mission part before the SM, but I'll do the cabin Meetup with Liara straight after the credits roll, following the suicide mission. It plays out like a nice little interlude, then I'll get Hackett's message about Kenson ( after avoiding my private terminal like a plague for half the game) and do arrival to finish ME2 Off. |
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Post by flyingsquirrel on Sept 14, 2023 14:35:14 GMT
a similar continuity error occurs during LOTSB. The general consensus is that the mission fits best after the SM.. But the dialogue throughout the DLC assumes that Shepard is still working with Cerberus, even though Shepard cuts ties with them following the SM. ( All endings, even the one where you hand the base over to TIM has Shepard say " You go your way I'll go mine" To TIM. The tone is different depending on your dialogue/end game choice, but the message is still the same. So Vasir's big " You're working with Terrorist's" Rant falls flat, because Shepard has in fact, cut ties with them. Strangely, Shepard doesn't correct her on this. I always found it odd going straight to illium after the epic Suicide mission anyway. So I like to do Shadow Broker mission part before the SM, but I'll do the cabin Meetup with Liara straight after the credits roll, following the suicide mission. It plays out like a nice little interlude, then I'll get Hackett's message about Kenson ( after avoiding my private terminal like a plague for half the game) and do arrival to finish ME2 Off. I also thought Shepard should have a better reply in general to Vasir's point about Cerberus - as I recall, there's a bottom-right aggressive response and then a middle response that's something like "I know who they are. It doesn't matter." I think there should have been a top-right response along the lines of "I'm using their resources, but don't think for a second that I've joined them." And I agree that it makes sense to save the visit with Liara until after the Collector Base (if nothing else, the Normandy might need some repairs). If you're on PC, you can delay Arrival by just moving its folder out of the one with all the other DLCs until you're ready for it to activate - I think it's called EXP_02 or something like that. Though you might get an error message if you move it out *after* you start the playthrough.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 26, 2023 11:51:12 GMT
I hadn't noticed the continuity bug before. I usually do Overlord early so as to avoid having it count towards the ticking clocks after Horizon. Though if you do Overlord after the main mission, you get a continuity error in ME3 where Shepard says (s)he cut ties with Cerberus after the Collector Base. That's at least technically untrue even if you got the notice earlier and just waited to go there, because TIM sends another e-mail after Overlord is complete. Yeah I tend to do Overlord early as well. I think the latest I've ever done Ovrelord is probably after my first visit to Illium when I ten dto d oMiranda's loyalty quest and pick up eithe rSamara or Thane straight after Horizon. But then I don' t tend to leave any of the DLC quests too late in ME2 as I like to use the resources I gather from them. I generally tend to do Overlord just befoer I do the final recruitment mission that triggers Horizon.
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