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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Oct 25, 2023 0:44:20 GMT
So, there's this idea which has been in my head for a while, and it is as the thread name says: Intentionally killing off a few squadmate in ME2's Suicide Mission. The idea is an attempt to add more dramatic affect to the mission.
I know! It sounds crazy. Who in their right mind would intentionally kill characters off in ME2 for dramatic affect??
The main challenge, however, is not making Shepard look stupid in the process. By stupid, I mean the decisions she makes during the mission.
Say I specifically want Jacob, Miranda, Zaeed, and probably Kasumi to be the casualties. How would I do this without sacrificing the ship upgrades, and making decisions that would make Shep look stupid like choosing Jacob to go in the vents?
I could finish Zaeed's loyalty mission in a way that would result in not gain this loyalty, and choose him to either lead the distraction team (during the long walk) or to escort the crew back to the Normandy. I could side with Jack, losing Miranda's loyalty and pick her to lead the the second fire team at the start of the mission, and choose Kasumi for the vents, leading to Kasumi dying in the process. Then, pick Miranda to fight the proto reaper, which will result in her death, because she's not loyal.
But this leaves Jacob. If I choose Jacob to go in the vents, that would be an obviously stupid decision on Shep's part. I don't want to skip his loyalty mission, because I want to end it where his father is left to be killed by the hunters. So, there's only one solution left, and that is to pick a different squadmate other than Jack or Samara for the biotic field. In a story telling perspective, this would be a dumb decision for Shepard to make, right? Are there other solutions I might be missing?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 25, 2023 0:56:01 GMT
Kill Taylor while Miranda is the one doing the barrier. The way to have him killed is to have Thane, Jack, Samara, Legion and Grunt be with the 2nd fireteam leader.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Oct 25, 2023 2:03:22 GMT
Kill Taylor while Miranda is the one doing the barrier. The way to have him killed is to have Thane, Jack, Samara, Legion and Grunt be with the 2nd fireteam leader. I'll be sure to bring Tali or Mordin along, if that's the case. This is all being carefully planned. Not just for this, but for moments in ME1 & ME3, as well. In ME1, I plan let Garrus execute Saleon, chose Shepard to kill Balak and shoot Jeong, and sacrifice the council for the greater good, among other things. In ME3, Kaidan will be the Virmire Survivor, play it out so that Shep will have no choice but to gun him down during the coup. Other things in ME2 will involve Garrus killing Sidonis, Miranda killing Niket, and Mordin killing Maelon. In other words, I plan on adding a grimmer tone to my "Canon," without being completely devoid of hope. It's all according to plan... |
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Oct 25, 2023 6:33:50 GMT
themikefest One more question. I'm not good when it comes to the math of the Suicide Mission. With Kasumi, Jacob, and Zaeed dead, that leaves Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Samara, Jack, and Thane to hold the line (Mordin escorts the crew). Miranda and Tali will be my planned squad to face the Human Reaper. Besides the disloyal Miranda dying at the end, will the be another, and this time unintentional casualty?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 25, 2023 17:47:42 GMT
themikefest One more question. I'm not good when it comes to the math of the Suicide Mission. With Kasumi, Jacob, and Zaeed dead, that leaves Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Samara, Jack, and Thane to hold the line (Mordin escorts the crew). Miranda and Tali will be my planned squad to face the Human Reaper. Besides the disloyal Miranda dying at the end, will the be another, and this time unintentional casualty? If the squadmates you named holding the line are loyal, they will survive. If Tali is loyal, she will survive.
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Oct 25, 2023 18:16:15 GMT
themikefest One more question. I'm not good when it comes to the math of the Suicide Mission. With Kasumi, Jacob, and Zaeed dead, that leaves Garrus, Grunt, Legion, Samara, Jack, and Thane to hold the line (Mordin escorts the crew). Miranda and Tali will be my planned squad to face the Human Reaper. Besides the disloyal Miranda dying at the end, will the be another, and this time unintentional casualty? If the squadmates you named holding the line are loyal, they will survive. If Tali is loyal, she will survive. I was asking, because there is a calculation when it comes to who is holding the line. Even if everyone else left behind is loyal, one or more can still die holding the line if you don't have enough points, according to the diagram:  |
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Post by themikefest on Oct 25, 2023 19:06:31 GMT
If the squadmates you named holding the line are loyal, they will survive. If Tali is loyal, she will survive. I was asking, because there is a calculation when it comes to who is holding the line. Even if everyone else left behind is loyal, one or more can still die holding the line if you don't have enough points, according to the diagram: That is correct. With the 6 names, 12 points is needed for them to survive. With those 6, you have 14 points, if all are loyal. You have some wiggle room to play with.
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Post by alanc9 on Oct 26, 2023 19:10:36 GMT
I never thought the fixed order of deaths at HTL made sense, so I randomize it with a D20 and edit the save to fit. Or load the die if there's a game-state I want to see in ME3. If the die hadn't killed Thane in my current run I'd have switched him for another casualty, since this is one of the rare runs where Kirrahe died too. (I goofed on Virmire and ran down the wrong path.)
As for having deaths, my ME2 playstyle usually results in some. I consider Reaper IFF a forced mission so I do it immediately, which keeps the clock running.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Dec 12, 2023 18:02:36 GMT
So, there's this idea which has been in my head for a while, and it is as the thread name says: Intentionally killing off a few squadmate in ME2's Suicide Mission. The idea is an attempt to add more dramatic affect to the mission. I know! It sounds crazy. Who in their right mind would intentionally kill characters off in ME2 for dramatic affect?? The main challenge, however, is not making Shepard look stupid in the process. By stupid, I mean the decisions she makes during the mission. Say I specifically want Jacob, Miranda, Zaeed, and probably Kasumi to be the casualties. How would I do this without sacrificing the ship upgrades, and making decisions that would make Shep look stupid like choosing Jacob to go in the vents? I could finish Zaeed's loyalty mission in a way that would result in not gain this loyalty, and choose him to either lead the distraction team (during the long walk) or to escort the crew back to the Normandy. I could side with Jack, losing Miranda's loyalty and pick her to lead the the second fire team at the start of the mission, and choose Kasumi for the vents, leading to Kasumi dying in the process. Then, pick Miranda to fight the proto reaper, which will result in her death, because she's not loyal. But this leaves Jacob. If I choose Jacob to go in the vents, that would be an obviously stupid decision on Shep's part. I don't want to skip his loyalty mission, because I want to end it where his father is left to be killed by the hunters. So, there's only one solution left, and that is to pick a different squadmate other than Jack or Samara for the biotic field. In a story telling perspective, this would be a dumb decision for Shepard to make, right? Are there other solutions I might be missing? Jacob volunteers for the vent so it's not stupid but you can have him be team leader while you do the the long march. He will die when you get through the doors. Miranda can die on the long march have thane run the bubble and don't do her loyalty mission zaeed is harder to kill in this scenario BUT not loyal characters that fight the baby reaper will die, kasumi and tali are made of wet paper don't do their loyalty and they both die if two squadmates have already fallen and they aren't loyal. Alternatively. Zaeed as team leader while you run the bubble with thane non loyal miranda dies then zaeed. Jacob dies if not loyal BUT have not loyal kasumi do the vent. (Or use the baby reaper to kill them.) if ever in doubt leave their loyalty mission out and removing Grunt or Zaeed from the line will result in casualties if two squadmates have already fallen. With disloyal characters dying first. You can also run the bubble with not loyal jack or samara for the same effect as running miranda and thane or even Jacob Not loyal characters will ALWAYS die before loyal ones.
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Post by Primitive God on Dec 15, 2023 3:55:19 GMT
There really aren't any ways to kill off squad mates without making Shepard look like an incompetent leader, unfortunately. Skipping loyalty missions is one-way, but even that is a bit flimsy, because the way the story is written, the squads effectiveness is heavily influenced by their loyalty and devotion to Shepard, which is determined by Shepard helping them handle their daddy issues--- I mean problems.
So Mods are your friends. But for console pesants, it's not an option.
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