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Post by Iddy on Mar 1, 2024 14:11:53 GMT
During the war table missions, there is a point where two mercenaries from the Valo-Kas company are killed by humans who believed that Adaar is a Qunari agent posing as Andraste's chosen.
This should have the same weight as Lavellan losing his/her clan. They were Adaar's friends! Instead, what we get is Shokrakar jokingly saying that "We're running out of Ashaads".
What makes it worse is that it indirectly is the Inquisitor's fault. That must hurt.
And any trust s/he might have built with humans while working with the Inquisition probably suffered a blow after this.
A reminder that the world will always be a hostile place to the (Tal) Vashoth, no matter what you do.
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 8, 2024 8:53:41 GMT
This should have the same weight as Lavellan losing his/her clan. How much weight did they give that? I lost my entire family and yet not one word was said about it at the War Table. It is why I think dealing with such issues as a War Table mission is wrong. If they wanted to give us a meaningful personal mission, it should have been done as an actual side-quest. This applies to both Lavellan and Adaar. I can't remember what the outcome was for the other two races but even if their outcome was fairly bland, the comment is still the same. To make matters worse for me, I had just learned about my clan when Josephine's personal quest triggered that had her moaning about how hard her brothers had to work in the face of adversity, which left me thinking "So what, I just lost my entire family! Don't you care?" What I also found annoying about the War Table is that there was no consistency. With some missions it made absolutely no difference which advisor you chose and the outcome/rewards were always the same, even if the description might vary. With others it was really important you got it right. Now I avoided using Dalish hunters to sneak into the city in the Lavellan quest because I was convinced that would backfire on us, so opted for one of the alternatives instead, either of which resulted in the death of clan Lavellan. I never understood the logic behind that.
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Post by Iddy on Mar 9, 2024 23:52:46 GMT
This should have the same weight as Lavellan losing his/her clan. How much weight did they give that? I lost my entire family and yet not one word was said about it at the War Table. It is why I think dealing with such issues as a War Table mission is wrong. If they wanted to give us a meaningful personal mission, it should have been done as an actual side-quest. This applies to both Lavellan and Adaar. I can't remember what the outcome was for the other two races but even if their outcome was fairly bland, the comment is still the same. To make matters worse for me, I had just learned about my clan when Josephine's personal quest triggered that had her moaning about how hard her brothers had to work in the face of adversity, which left me thinking "So what, I just lost my entire family! Don't you care?" What I also found annoying about the War Table is that there was no consistency. With some missions it made absolutely no difference which advisor you chose and the outcome/rewards were always the same, even if the description might vary. With others it was really important you got it right. Now I avoided using Dalish hunters to sneak into the city in the Lavellan quest because I was convinced that would backfire on us, so opted for one of the alternatives instead, either of which resulted in the death of clan Lavellan. I never understood the logic behind that. The full weight of a passing mention from Sera and Cullen in Trespasser, I suppose. I guess I'm mostly upset at the choice of words in the operation text, as if the death of Adaar's companions was a joking matter. Did you have Lavellan act more impatient, sensitive or prone to anger immediately after learning of the clan's death? That would be one way of making it a little more real within the game. Yeah, it isn't a particularly objective reasoning, as you could easily make a good case for why it is better to use scouts or diplomacy. I take it you prefer not to cheat by looking up the wiki?
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Post by gervaise21 on Mar 10, 2024 7:54:22 GMT
Did you have Lavellan act more impatient, sensitive or prone to anger immediately after learning of the clan's death? That would be one way of making it a little more real within the game. It depends on what options you are given. In any case, people in game aren't going to realise that is why you seem to be acting differently from usual. I take it you prefer not to cheat by looking up the wiki? First run I tend to play things as I find them unless I find it impossible to complete a quest without "cheating". With the War Table I think the outcome for Clan Lavellan was the first time that something really bad happened as a result of my choices. I didn't mention it before but first run I tried to opt for the advisor whom I would most like to base the Inquisition around. In other words, I would choose Josephine as a general default because I wanted us to be seen as diplomatic rather than sneaky or martial. We had previously been told, around the time of the 2013 trailer, that we could customise the Keeps in a similar way and that would affect the overall perception of the organisation. Now I think it did make a difference how it was described in the epilogue but considering how frustrating it was just waiting for the right person to become available, it hardly seemed worth the aggro. After my first run I realised that it was possible to overcome the delay. I would only instruct the advisor on really long missions immediately before I finished for the day. The timer ran in the background in real time, so when I logged on again, hey presto the mission had completed. That meant I could definitely choose the right advisor where it mattered but just opted for whoever was free for the ones where it didn't. It also meant that I would know if I had messed up before playing through several more quests, so it wasn't possible to just reload and try again without losing all that effort. As for the Lavellan quest, I checked the Wiki after that first disaster to see what I had done wrong. It wasn't possible to go back by that time so I just played it differently the next game. That poor girl, not only did she lose her entire family but she was romancing Solas! Unsurprisingly, I didn't end that first run feeling very elated at our success. Her standing alone on the balcony at Skyhold just about summed it up for me. By the end of Trespasser she had handed the Inquisition back to the Divine because she was an emotional wreck. The full weight of a passing mention from Sera and Cullen in Trespasser, I suppose. I think there had been so much negative feedback about the lack of reaction to the Lavellan quest, that is why they bothered to include it in Trespasser. I can't remember if Sera mentioned it to my Lavellan or not. Is it only if you are in a romance with her? She hadn't been on good terms with Sera since that personal quest where Sera punched the guy to a pulp because I insisted on questioning him at length instead of just reacting like she did. That was my Lavellan's character. Her name was Atisha because she was known in her clan as a peacemaker and she followed the Atishan, the Way of Peace. That is why she preferred to adopt diplomacy where possible. Sera really rubbed her up the wrong way and she hardly spoke to her after that incident, although stopped short of kicking her out altogether. So, it is possible I missed the conversation in Trespasser because we weren't on speaking terms. As for Adaar, perhaps not enough people played as them and from those perhaps there wasn't the same negative feedback about the personal quest as there was for Lavellan. I agree that having someone joke the loss, even if only off screen as a War Table character, is not really in good taste. However, there was a bit of a tendency that way with the writing. With the Sera quest you can get her to stop by saying something jokey about the state she has reduced the corpse to. Some of Iron Bull's comments can seem a bit tasteless too when it came to violence and Solas can even admonish him about it. Actually, a lot of the time Solas seemed to be the one saying the things that I wished I could, which is why I identified with him so strongly and why it really deflated me to discover his real agenda. Can't anyone be a genuine good guy, particularly as an elf? Incidentally, that is why it really annoyed me how they were hinting in World of Thedas 2 that Shartan wasn't the real deal and his story was based on an older elven folk tale about a rebel warrior who fought against tyrants, in other words Fen'Harel. Couldn't they leave the elves with one honest to goodness hero they could aspire to be like?
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