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Post by Lawrence0294 on Sept 7, 2016 21:34:32 GMT
I don't know if it's been mentioned at all in the Andromeda section, but is there going to be any kind of carry-over at all in the decisions for the trilogy, or some system such as Dragon Age Keep to import into the game? It seems as though the whole premise of Andromeda has its origins post-war (ala the ship that transports them was built and launched after the war ended). If so, you'd think there'd be some kind of history or ark. I'm not inherently optimistic about BW's prospects at this point. If I remember correctly, because the developers want to stay away as much as possible from the endings, the ship (s?) will probably leave pre-ending. They have also confirmed the endings will in no way influence the game: ca.ign.com/articles/2016/06/13/e3-2016-your-mass-effect-3-ending-wont-affect-mass-effect-andromedaI'm personally not very optimistic about the game but I haven't completely written it off.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 7, 2016 21:36:14 GMT
I don't know if it's been mentioned at all in the Andromeda section, but is there going to be any kind of carry-over at all in the decisions for the trilogy, or some system such as Dragon Age Keep to import into the game? It seems as though the whole premise of Andromeda has its origins post-war (ala the ship that transports them was built and launched after the war ended). If so, you'd think there'd be some kind of history or ark. I'm not inherently optimistic about BW's prospects at this point. If I remember correctly, because the developers want to stay away as much as possible from the endings, the ship (s?) will probably leave pre-ending. They have also confirmed the endings will in no way influence the game. I'm personally not very optimistic about the game but I haven't completely written it off. About my only reason for interest is that a couple friends of mine (on here, and elsewhere) are getting it.
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Post by o Ventus on Sept 10, 2016 16:51:20 GMT
I don't know if it's been mentioned at all in the Andromeda section, but is there going to be any kind of carry-over at all in the decisions for the trilogy, or some system such as Dragon Age Keep to import into the game? It seems as though the whole premise of Andromeda has its origins post-war (ala the ship that transports them was built and launched after the war ended). If so, you'd think there'd be some kind of history or ark. I'm not inherently optimistic about BW's prospects at this point. If I remember correctly, because the developers want to stay away as much as possible from the endings, the ship (s?) will probably leave pre-ending. They have also confirmed the endings will in no way influence the game: ca.ign.com/articles/2016/06/13/e3-2016-your-mass-effect-3-ending-wont-affect-mass-effect-andromedaI'm personally not very optimistic about the game but I haven't completely written it off. I have. I have no intention of getting Andromeda. Even disregarding the garbage that is ME3, the very premise of Andromeda goes against the level of technology available to the council races in the trilogy.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 10, 2016 17:04:13 GMT
Bringing back a person from death should be impossible in ME2 as well (not considering the retcon in ME3 of Shepard not being truly dead), no matter the technology. The very premise of the game was highly flawed. And to be clear ME2 is overall my favourite ME game. Regardless of the opinion about technology for Going to Andromeda being too advanced for our cycle (I've read debates with either side supporting their claims), I'm going to wait to just the galaxy switch. There are high chances I won't like the explanation behind it, but given, again, the premise of other games didn't stop me for giving them a chance. I'm more worried on the improvments on the balance between the open world and their storytelling, since in DAI was mediocre at best. And in a game like MEA, considered the leak, it could be potentially worse.
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Post by o Ventus on Sept 10, 2016 17:11:06 GMT
Bringing back a person from death should be impossible in ME2 as well (not considering the retcon in ME3 of Shepard not being truly dead), no matter the technology. The very premise of the game was highly flawed. And to be clear ME2 is overall my favourite ME game. Regardless of the opinion about technology for Going to Andromeda being too advanced for our cycle (I've read debates with either side supporting their claims), I'm going to wait to just the galaxy switch. There are high chances I won't like the explanation behind it, but given, again, the premise of other games didn't stop me for giving them a chance. I'm more worried on the improvments on the balance between the open world and their storytelling, since in DAI was mediocre at best. And in a game like MEA, considered the leak, it could be potentially worse. The Lazarus project has the benefit of not directly contradicting something that is outright stated to be impossible, in-universe. Unlike intergalactic travel. I can kind-of buy resurrection, considering the medical technology in ME is hilariously advanced, to the point where they can outright cure cancer. Intergalactic travel in ME is supposed to be literally impossible with the current level of space travel an ship technology. They can't even travel very far in THEIR OWN galaxy, hence the use of mass relays.
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Post by straykat on Sept 10, 2016 23:18:46 GMT
It's all pretty dumb, but funnily, ME2 turned out to be my favorite game.
I'll leave that sliver of hope for MEA. lol. Even if I sound really pessimistic now.
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Post by mattig89ch on Sept 11, 2016 1:50:51 GMT
For my part, I've only ever done a single mass effect run start to finish. I went ash, miranda (because her looks reminded me of ash) back to ash. And that scene on the citadel where she asks if I was still interested in her and tolder he no, god I felt so bad. I almost re-loaded and said yes, but I had my plan and I saw it through.
If I ever do another one, I play to go (I can't believe I forgot the Asari's name, she becomes the shadow broker for crying out loud), tali, and then stick with tali while siding with the geth. more because I want to see if she would stay alive or not. Thats a terrible way to approach romance, but I am genuinely curious if she would let me save her or not.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 11, 2016 1:58:22 GMT
Why would you ever go with the space-xenophobe zealot over the perfect woman? For shame.
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Post by mattig89ch on Sept 11, 2016 2:06:15 GMT
Well, she wasn't there when I took out saren. Then ash found out I was working with Cerberus, and told me to kindly screw off. But after all that arrogance of Miranda, and my old feelings for ash, she was my girl of choice. If I ever manage to do a third play through though, I have every intention of sticking with Miranda through thick and thin. I might not even go for my old specter title, in that run through.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Sept 11, 2016 2:31:48 GMT
Well, she wasn't there when I took out saren. Then ash found out I was working with Cerberus, and told me to kindly screw off. But after all that arrogance of Miranda, and my old feelings for ash, she was my girl of choice. If I ever manage to do a third play through though, I have every intention of sticking with Miranda through thick and thin. I might not even go for my old specter title, in that run through. Ash wasn't there when you fought the Collectors. Ash refused to help you against the Collectors. Ash didn't believe in you, or believe you about them. Ash cut you out due to an inability to listen or let you explain yourself. Ash didn't do anything to help or prepare the galaxy for the Reapers arrival. Ash was an alliance stooge. Don't be Ash. Miranda changed her opinion of you due to your actions and became a stronger person. Miranda helped you build a team up and showed she was worthy of her arrogance, as well as having her own insecurities and dislike of pressure. Miranda didn't help you fight Saren because she didn't yet know you in any meaningful way. Miranda and Cerberus stood behind Shepard when no one else would. Be Miranda.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2016 5:00:15 GMT
Bringing back a person from death should be impossible in ME2 as well (not considering the retcon in ME3 of Shepard not being truly dead), no matter the technology. The very premise of the game was highly flawed. And to be clear ME2 is overall my favourite ME game. Regardless of the opinion about technology for Going to Andromeda being too advanced for our cycle (I've read debates with either side supporting their claims), I'm going to wait to just the galaxy switch. There are high chances I won't like the explanation behind it, but given, again, the premise of other games didn't stop me for giving them a chance. I'm more worried on the improvments on the balance between the open world and their storytelling, since in DAI was mediocre at best. And in a game like MEA, considered the leak, it could be potentially worse. The Lazarus project has the benefit of not directly contradicting something that is outright stated to be impossible, in-universe. Unlike intergalactic travel. I can kind-of buy resurrection, considering the medical technology in ME is hilariously advanced, to the point where they can outright cure cancer. Intergalactic travel in ME is supposed to be literally impossible with the current level of space travel an ship technology. They can't even travel very far in THEIR OWN galaxy, hence the use of mass relays. How does it not? Bringing back people from the dead is practically impossible in the ME universe. Even Bioware realized, by retconnetting Shepard's death (which is another ridicoloust thing, but I digress). Cure cancer isn't already impossible now (not for all types, and not with a guarantee of being cured, but it's feasible), so it's not a stretch that it's more easily cured in ME. Death is howewer impossible. Nobody was brought back before. If it was possible, The other civilizations like The asari or The salarians would've surely found out. It's all pretty dumb, but funnily, ME2 turned out to be my favorite game. I'll leave that sliver of hope for MEA. lol. Even if I sound really pessimistic now. That's true. Which is why regardless of the fact of the premise (And its probably non satisfactory execution) I'm giving Bioware a chance.
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Post by straykat on Sept 11, 2016 5:12:43 GMT
It's all pretty dumb, but funnily, ME2 turned out to be my favorite game. I'll leave that sliver of hope for MEA. lol. Even if I sound really pessimistic now. That's true. Which is why regardless of the fact of the premise (And its probably non satisfactory execution) I'm giving Bioware a chance. It's but a Sliver though.. let me emphasize that. And ME2 turned out so amazing that I played just recently, 7 years later. I can't say that for many things. I don't know if that Bioware exists anymore.. things change so quickly.
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Post by Sifr on Sept 11, 2016 7:45:03 GMT
I have. I have no intention of getting Andromeda. Even disregarding the garbage that is ME3, the very premise of Andromeda goes against the level of technology available to the council races in the trilogy. From the lore, Reaper ships are said to be capable of travelling 30 ly in a day, about twice as fast as Citadel vessels. If we go with Citadel vessels being capable of travelling at around 15 ly a day, then in a standard Earth year, they'd cover around 5475 ly. If Andromeda is about 2.5 million ly away, Citadel ships could conceivably reach that destination within 456 years. The main issues here are how the Andromeda Initiative could have enough Element Zero to power the engines for that length to time, they'd have to frequently drop out of FTL to discharge the static build up on the hull, the ship itself would have to be fitted with it's own discharging facilities (as there are no planets in Dark Space to use) and they'd need a means to keep the ships powered for over 450 years with the extensive drain on the system that stasis pods have been shown to have. If those technical obstacles could be overcome, then it might be possible to do it with the current level of technology that the Citadel species have been shown to possess. In ME2 it was shown that they reverse-engineered weapons technology from Sovereign, so they might have also picked up a few clues on how the Reapers generate power and allows them to enter into sleep-mode for several aeons and still be all tickety-boo when their alarm call goes off? My suspicion is that the Arks will have just enough in the tank for a one way trip, but they'll be dangerously low on fuel when they reach the outskirts of Andromeda. At which point they'll shut down their FTL engines and devote all remaining power to maintaining life-support on the stasis pods. The Pathfinders will most likely be woken up early to scout for resources they can use to keep the Arks operational, which allows them to wake the rest of the crew and begin colonisation for any worlds that pass muster.
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Post by straykat on Sept 11, 2016 7:54:05 GMT
Take a good look at Mac Walters and tell me you actually expect anything interesting here.
I like his characters, but has he shown to to do anything to give confidence about science or plot?
He can barely even commit to the plots he makes. Like Arrival was written mere months before ME3. And yet a big part of it was shoved under the rug (the artifact zapping)....as if that's some non-issue. This dude defines hand-waviness. What he went with in ME3 is the same. I don't know if he thinks people are just stupid or crack addicts about the series. Either way, he doesn't think you care, and won't put a lot of effort into it.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2016 10:40:11 GMT
Take a good look at Mac Walters and tell me you actually expect anything interesting here. I like his characters, but has he shown to to do anything to give confidence about science or plot? He can barely even commit to the plots he makes. Like Arrival was written mere months before ME3. And yet a big part of it was shoved under the rug (the artifact zapping)....as if that's some non-issue. This dude defines hand-waviness. What he went with in ME3 is the same. I don't know if he thinks people are just stupid or crack addicts about the series. Either way, he doesn't think you care, and won't put a lot of effort into it. I can understand that, though In The other thread we discussed this I didn't deny that the execution/methods might probably not be on my liking, but Bioware/Walters going in this direction instead of trying to explain The galaxy switch in a reasonable way doesn't mean the premise itself is ridicolous or can't be explained reasonably. Of your problems with this premise is because you don't have faith in them in delivering on this in a decent way I understand your concern. On the other hand, do you know how much Walters is directly involved with the writing in the game? As far as I recall from the role descriptions of the leads, posted in a blog two years ago, his role was more about supervising then being directly involved.
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Post by straykat on Sept 11, 2016 10:48:03 GMT
Take a good look at Mac Walters and tell me you actually expect anything interesting here. I like his characters, but has he shown to to do anything to give confidence about science or plot? He can barely even commit to the plots he makes. Like Arrival was written mere months before ME3. And yet a big part of it was shoved under the rug (the artifact zapping)....as if that's some non-issue. This dude defines hand-waviness. What he went with in ME3 is the same. I don't know if he thinks people are just stupid or crack addicts about the series. Either way, he doesn't think you care, and won't put a lot of effort into it. I can understand that, though In The other thread we discussed this I didn't deny that the execution/methods might probably not be on my liking, but Bioware/Walters going in this direction instead of trying to explain The galaxy switch in a reasonable way doesn't mean the premise itself is ridicolous or can't be explained reasonably. Of your problems with this premise is because you don't have faith in them in delivering on this in a decent way I understand your concern. On the other hand, do you know how much Walters is directly involved with the writing in the game? As far as I recall from the role descriptions of the leads, posted in a blog two years ago, his role was more about supervising then being directly involved. From my understanding, it's Hudson's old job (Creative director). Lead writing usually does more supervising than this.. This is where bigger decisions and overall vision are. The funny thing is, I'm not a hater. He does great shit when it comes to commoners and street level stuff. Like Garrus' recruitment isn't a great plot, but it's still entertaining nonetheless. All of his non squad NPCs have a lot of personality too. Conrad, Aria, Bailey..
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2016 12:04:54 GMT
I can understand that, though In The other thread we discussed this I didn't deny that the execution/methods might probably not be on my liking, but Bioware/Walters going in this direction instead of trying to explain The galaxy switch in a reasonable way doesn't mean the premise itself is ridicolous or can't be explained reasonably. Of your problems with this premise is because you don't have faith in them in delivering on this in a decent way I understand your concern. On the other hand, do you know how much Walters is directly involved with the writing in the game? As far as I recall from the role descriptions of the leads, posted in a blog two years ago, his role was more about supervising then being directly involved. From my understanding, it's Hudson's old job (Creative director). Lead writing usually does more supervising than this.. This is where bigger decisions and overall vision are. The funny thing is, I'm not a hater. He does great shit when it comes to commoners and street level stuff. Like Garrus' recruitment isn't a great plot, but it's still entertaining nonetheless. All of his non squad NPCs have a lot of personality too. Conrad, Aria, Bailey.. From Gaider's blog, I recall the lead designer and lead writer generally discuss this kind of stuff, I mean the premise of the plot. I don't know we can say for sure who came up with the idea unless they told us. Also, even if he came up about moving to Andromeda, it doesn't necessarily means he thought on how executing this idea or coming up with an explanation for the means to go there. Maybe he delegated this to someone else. We have to wait and see when they'll reveal the details, I guess.
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Post by straykat on Sept 11, 2016 12:11:48 GMT
From my understanding, it's Hudson's old job (Creative director). Lead writing usually does more supervising than this.. This is where bigger decisions and overall vision are. The funny thing is, I'm not a hater. He does great shit when it comes to commoners and street level stuff. Like Garrus' recruitment isn't a great plot, but it's still entertaining nonetheless. All of his non squad NPCs have a lot of personality too. Conrad, Aria, Bailey.. From Gaider's blog, I recall the lead designer and lead writer generally discuss this kind of stuff, I mean the premise of the plot. I don't know we can say for sure who came up with the idea unless they told us. Also, even if he came up about moving to Andromeda, it doesn't necessarily means he thought on how executing this idea or coming up with an explanation for the means to go there. Maybe he delegated this to someone else. We have to wait and see when they'll reveal the details, I guess. You're way more optimistic than I am. That's all I'm gonna say And if he isn't here, where else is he? He was lead already and did most of the comics. He's practically the equivalent of a loremaster now. Oh wait, Gaider described his job once as managing what others were doing once. Like an editor. Although he wrote some characters of his own too. Much more DAO and DA2 though.
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Post by o Ventus on Sept 11, 2016 12:30:45 GMT
The Lazarus project has the benefit of not directly contradicting something that is outright stated to be impossible, in-universe. Unlike intergalactic travel. I can kind-of buy resurrection, considering the medical technology in ME is hilariously advanced, to the point where they can outright cure cancer. Intergalactic travel in ME is supposed to be literally impossible with the current level of space travel an ship technology. They can't even travel very far in THEIR OWN galaxy, hence the use of mass relays. How does it not? Bringing back people from the dead is practically impossible in the ME universe. Even Bioware realized, by retconnetting Shepard's death (which is another ridicoloust thing, but I digress). Cure cancer isn't already impossible now (not for all types, and not with a guarantee of being cured, but it's feasible), so it's not a stretch that it's more easily cured in ME. Death is howewer impossible. Nobody was brought back before. If it was possible, The other civilizations like The asari or The salarians would've surely found out. It's all pretty dumb, but funnily, ME2 turned out to be my favorite game. I'll leave that sliver of hope for MEA. lol. Even if I sound really pessimistic now. That's true. Which is why regardless of the fact of the premise (And its probably non satisfactory execution) I'm giving Bioware a chance. The very nature of cancer makes it a disease that you can't exactly "cure". That alone makes the science in ME "bad", but it's science-*fiction* so I can live with it. And it emphasizes how much more advanced their level of technology is in comparison to us. If they can cure cancer, why can't they bring someone back from the dead? Especially if their brain was preserved like Shepard's was. It's already shown that they can clone organs, so the base of the procedure is there. It's impossible in real life yes, but never stated to be impossible in the game. Unlike intergalactic space travel. Do you see my point? The fluff never actually says anything about resurrection, but it actually does say shit about space travel. One is inference, the other is confirmed knowledge. Even comparing the two is an act in futility.
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Post by o Ventus on Sept 11, 2016 12:39:32 GMT
I have. I have no intention of getting Andromeda. Even disregarding the garbage that is ME3, the very premise of Andromeda goes against the level of technology available to the council races in the trilogy. From the lore, Reaper ships are said to be capable of travelling 30 ly in a day, about twice as fast as Citadel vessels. If we go with Citadel vessels being capable of travelling at around 15 ly a day, then in a standard Earth year, they'd cover around 5475 ly. If Andromeda is about 2.5 million ly away, Citadel ships could conceivably reach that destination within 456 years. The main issues here are how the Andromeda Initiative could have enough Element Zero to power the engines for that length to time, they'd have to frequently drop out of FTL to discharge the static build up on the hull, the ship itself would have to be fitted with it's own discharging facilities (as there are no planets in Dark Space to use) and they'd need a means to keep the ships powered for over 450 years with the extensive drain on the system that stasis pods have been shown to have. If those technical obstacles could be overcome, then it might be possible to do it with the current level of technology that the Citadel species have been shown to possess. In ME2 it was shown that they reverse-engineered weapons technology from Sovereign, so they might have also picked up a few clues on how the Reapers generate power and allows them to enter into sleep-mode for several aeons and still be all tickety-boo when their alarm call goes off? My suspicion is that the Arks will have just enough in the tank for a one way trip, but they'll be dangerously low on fuel when they reach the outskirts of Andromeda. At which point they'll shut down their FTL engines and devote all remaining power to maintaining life-support on the stasis pods. The Pathfinders will most likely be woken up early to scout for resources they can use to keep the Arks operational, which allows them to wake the rest of the crew and begin colonisation for any worlds that pass muster. Eezo doesn't power their engines, they use helium-3 for that. Eezo powers the drive core that enables their use of FTL. I think a bigger issue would be ship maintenance. Either the passengers will be in stasis and a VI or AI will take care of it, or the passengers won't be in stasis and they're will be some kind of engineering team keeping the ship working. The problem with the first one is that VIs have been known to go rogue, for lack of a better term, and leaving one active for almost 500 years seems like it would be a huge draw on the ship's power reserves. The problem with the latter is that a LOT of people will die on the trip to Andromeda, since only 2 species are capable of living for half a millennia, and having people maintain the ship introduces human error, on a project that absolutely cannot have anything go wrong.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2016 12:42:33 GMT
From Gaider's blog, I recall the lead designer and lead writer generally discuss this kind of stuff, I mean the premise of the plot. I don't know we can say for sure who came up with the idea unless they told us. Also, even if he came up about moving to Andromeda, it doesn't necessarily means he thought on how executing this idea or coming up with an explanation for the means to go there. Maybe he delegated this to someone else. We have to wait and see when they'll reveal the details, I guess. You're way more optimistic than I am. That's all I'm gonna say And if he isn't here, where else is he? He was lead already and did most of the comics. He's practically the equivalent of a loremaster now. Oh wait, Gaider described his job once as managing what others were doing once. Like an editor. Although he wrote some characters of his own too. Much more DAO and DA2 though. I think it was actually stated he has kind of a lore guardian role. I don't know if I'm necessarily optimistic. I simply want to wait and see what they came up with, as well as the possible improvments on the open world system. If not, I'l won't buy it or wait for a discount. I might be too busy with another game regardless around February and March. How does it not? Bringing back people from the dead is practically impossible in the ME universe. Even Bioware realized, by retconnetting Shepard's death (which is another ridicoloust thing, but I digress). Cure cancer isn't already impossible now (not for all types, and not with a guarantee of being cured, but it's feasible), so it's not a stretch that it's more easily cured in ME. Death is howewer impossible. Nobody was brought back before. If it was possible, The other civilizations like The asari or The salarians would've surely found out. That's true. Which is why regardless of the fact of the premise (And its probably non satisfactory execution) I'm giving Bioware a chance. The very nature of cancer makes it a disease that you can't exactly "cure". That alone makes the science in ME "bad", but it's science-*fiction* so I can live with it. And it emphasizes how much more advanced their level of technology is in comparison to us. If they can cure cancer, why can't they bring someone back from the dead? Especially if their brain was preserved like Shepard's was. It's already shown that they can clone organs, so the base of the procedure is there. It's impossible in real life yes, but never stated to be impossible in the game. Unlike intergalactic space travel. Do you see my point? The fluff never actually says anything about resurrection, but it actually does say shit about space travel. One is inference, the other is confirmed knowledge. Even comparing the two is an act in futility. Because nobody actually do it in thousands of years. If it was possible why nobody tried it? The very fact that in ME3 they retconnetted Shepard's death was because of that, because they realized the resurrection was ridicolous. As it stands now, they decided to make it impossible to be achieved, so the premise of ME2 is ridicolous. It's not like they really wanted to explain the resurrection either. They just wanted a plot device for making Shepard inactive for a bit, and be left behind by the Alliance and the Council.
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Post by o Ventus on Sept 11, 2016 13:01:22 GMT
Something being possible does not mean that nobody tried it. If flight was possible, why did it take so long for the Wright brothers to do it? Bunch of fucking idiots. If it's possible to create an internal combustion engine, why didn't we have cars in 1859? Bunch of dumbass 19th century rednecks.
This point your making is idiotic, I hesitate to even call it a point. They also never retconned Shepard dying. "Decided to make it impossible to achieve".... What? Explaining the resurrection is entirely unrelated to anything that this discussion has been about, so why are you bringing that up?
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 11, 2016 13:17:45 GMT
Something being possible does not mean that nobody tried it. If flight was possible, why did it take so long for the Wright brothers to do it? Bunch of fucking idiots. If it's possible to create an internal combustion engine, why didn't we have cars in 1859? Bunch of dumbass 19th century rednecks. This point your making is idiotic, I hesitate to even call it a point. They also never retconned Shepard dying. "Decided to make it impossible to achieve".... What? Explaining the resurrection is entirely unrelated to anything that this discussion has been about, so why are you bringing that up? There are dialogues that lead to believe that Shepard wasn't dead but comatose. Bioware seemed confused on what really happened to Shepard. The point is that you believe that just because technology in ME is more advanced it's possible in theory to bring a person back. I don't think there is anything indicating that it was possible or that they reached that level. So for me there's no difference between the Lazarus Project or the Andromeda project, in the fact that both are supposedly projects more advanced then the current technology they possess. Explaining the resurrection is necessary to make it believable, as a reasonable explanation for the Andromeda project is necessary to make it believable.
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Post by abedsbrother on Sept 15, 2016 21:33:51 GMT
My preferred ending. (By deviantart user Skllhrt)
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Post by Garo on Sept 16, 2016 15:17:44 GMT
From the lore, Reaper ships are said to be capable of travelling 30 ly in a day, about twice as fast as Citadel vessels. If we go with Citadel vessels being capable of travelling at around 15 ly a day, then in a standard Earth year, they'd cover around 5475 ly. If Andromeda is about 2.5 million ly away, Citadel ships could conceivably reach that destination within 456 years. The main issues here are how the Andromeda Initiative could have enough Element Zero to power the engines for that length to time, they'd have to frequently drop out of FTL to discharge the static build up on the hull, the ship itself would have to be fitted with it's own discharging facilities (as there are no planets in Dark Space to use) and they'd need a means to keep the ships powered for over 450 years with the extensive drain on the system that stasis pods have been shown to have. If those technical obstacles could be overcome, then it might be possible to do it with the current level of technology that the Citadel species have been shown to possess. In ME2 it was shown that they reverse-engineered weapons technology from Sovereign, so they might have also picked up a few clues on how the Reapers generate power and allows them to enter into sleep-mode for several aeons and still be all tickety-boo when their alarm call goes off? My suspicion is that the Arks will have just enough in the tank for a one way trip, but they'll be dangerously low on fuel when they reach the outskirts of Andromeda. At which point they'll shut down their FTL engines and devote all remaining power to maintaining life-support on the stasis pods. The Pathfinders will most likely be woken up early to scout for resources they can use to keep the Arks operational, which allows them to wake the rest of the crew and begin colonisation for any worlds that pass muster. Eezo doesn't power their engines, they use helium-3 for that. Eezo powers the drive core that enables their use of FTL. I think a bigger issue would be ship maintenance. Either the passengers will be in stasis and a VI or AI will take care of it, or the passengers won't be in stasis and they're will be some kind of engineering team keeping the ship working. The problem with the first one is that VIs have been known to go rogue, for lack of a better term, and leaving one active for almost 500 years seems like it would be a huge draw on the ship's power reserves. The problem with the latter is that a LOT of people will die on the trip to Andromeda, since only 2 species are capable of living for half a millennia, and having people maintain the ship introduces human error, on a project that absolutely cannot have anything go wrong. So what's the problem? Cryogenic sleep and VI maintaining ship is far more belivable than Lazarus Project after Shepard fell from space to planet.
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