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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 19:55:30 GMT
Zach's a comedian too so he's gonna nail it! That's true. Didn't one of the Devs says they had to keep reminding him that he couldn't play the joker all the time? And Zach also said he has a heart, so I'm definitely running with that. Lucanis deserves a little love no matter what anyone else may have done to him.
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Post by Liepsnele on Aug 30, 2024 19:55:45 GMT
Lucanis has the saddest looking room in the Lighthouse At least he won't go hungry
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Post by Reznore on Aug 30, 2024 19:56:00 GMT
I'm against having an assassin living in my food storage.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 19:59:06 GMT
I'm against having an assassin living in my food storage. It's okay, he's not Viago with a penchant for poison. If it makes the others uncomfortable though, may be they will realise they shouldn't have bagged all the best rooms.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 30, 2024 20:01:34 GMT
...ok, so...part of me is kinda angry that they did this
Can't we have one DA game without a spirit/spirit possessed companion?
Am I still going to romance him? YES...But I'm still upset I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. He's an unwilling host, a non-mage - and it explains his hatred for mages and why he became "the mage-killer", those Venatori really did a number on him. In line to become First Talon and then his world is turned upside down. Possessed life mustn't be easy! lol
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Post by Reznore on Aug 30, 2024 20:01:36 GMT
I'm against having an assassin living in my food storage. It's okay, he's not Viago with a penchant for poison. If it makes the others uncomfortable though, may be they will realise they shouldn't have bagged all the best rooms. It's really not okay. We're all here thinking who's the betrayer and we got poison guy ( and possibly posessed poison guy!?) squatting next to our meals. And possibly cooking those? How stupid can you be. Same level as Solas and his crappy scaffolding.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 30, 2024 20:02:28 GMT
I really hope we can have our Rook also be interested in cooking. Oliver, Bellara, and Lucanis could have a cooking competition.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 20:07:08 GMT
The usual Bioware idiot ball stupid. Perhaps that's why Bellara is doing the cooking too. She isn't being nice, she's just being careful!
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 30, 2024 20:07:29 GMT
Rook can be like "Hey, has anyone checked on the demonic assassin we've got living in the larder? I haven't seen him in two days. And he makes the best lasagna!"
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 20:08:52 GMT
I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. I tell you what, it puts a whole new perspective on that scene with what is probably Zara in the trailer.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 30, 2024 20:12:21 GMT
...ok, so...part of me is kinda angry that they did this
Can't we have one DA game without a spirit/spirit possessed companion?
Am I still going to romance him? YES...But I'm still upset I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. He's an unwilling host, a non-mage - and it explains his hatred for mages and why he became "the mage-killer", those Venatori really did a number on him. In line to become First Talon and then his world is turned upside down. Possessed life mustn't be easy! lol I don't think he hates mages because what they did to him... We've known since "Wigmaker job" (so, events leading up to his predicament - not before them) is that he hunts the Venatori not just because his 'mysterious benefactor' pays him well, but because he morally opposes what they're doing. Not only he calls them "racist blood mages" before we even reach Ambrose's mansion, but what Ambrose does to his slaves pisses him off him so much that he foregoes his detached professionalism and basically embraces vigilantism.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 30, 2024 20:12:37 GMT
I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. I tell you what, it puts a whole new perspective on that scene with what is probably Zara in the trailer. Absolutely! It's gonna be good!
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 30, 2024 20:15:11 GMT
I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. He's an unwilling host, a non-mage - and it explains his hatred for mages and why he became "the mage-killer", those Venatori really did a number on him. In line to become First Talon and then his world is turned upside down. Possessed life mustn't be easy! lol I don't think he hates mages because what they did to him... We've known since "Wigmaker job" (so, events leading up to his predicament - not before them) is that he hunts the Venatori not just because his 'mysterious benefactor' pays him well, but because he morally opposes what they're doing. Not only he calls them "racist blood mages" before we even reach Ambrose's mansion, but what Ambrose does to his slaves pisses him off him so much that he foregoes his detached professionalism and basically embraces vigilantism. Well, that too. But I don't think it helped that they shoved a demon up his @ss. I mean, I'd be pissed...
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 30, 2024 20:15:48 GMT
It's okay, he's not Viago with a penchant for poison. If it makes the others uncomfortable though, may be they will realise they shouldn't have bagged all the best rooms. It's really not okay. We're all here thinking who's the betrayer and we got poison guy ( and possibly posessed poison guy!?) squatting next to our meals. And possibly cooking those? How stupid can you be. Same level as Solas and his crappy scaffolding. Lol, who's thinking who's the betrayer? Certainly not in-story companions - it's just us, the paranoid audience members In story, they likely trust one another enough to not be too perturbed about a guy using poisons occupying the pantry.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 30, 2024 20:17:47 GMT
I don't think he hates mages because what they did to him... We've known since "Wigmaker job" (so, events leading up to his predicament - not before them) is that he hunts the Venatori not just because his 'mysterious benefactor' pays him well, but because he morally opposes what they're doing. Not only he calls them "racist blood mages" before we even reach Ambrose's mansion, but what Ambrose does to his slaves pisses him off him so much that he foregoes his detached professionalism and basically embraces vigilantism. Well, that too. But I don't think it helped that they shoved a demon up his @ss. I mean, I'd be pissed... If they actually did that - it's very likely that their idea of what they were doing to Lucanis was probably very different to how it ended, lol
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 30, 2024 21:30:02 GMT
...ok, so...part of me is kinda angry that they did this
Can't we have one DA game without a spirit/spirit possessed companion?
Am I still going to romance him? YES...But I'm still upset I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. He's an unwilling host, a non-mage - and it explains his hatred for mages and why he became "the mage-killer", those Venatori really did a number on him. In line to become First Talon and then his world is turned upside down. Possessed life mustn't be easy! lol Ok, fair enough
Though, I really would've liked to have not have a possessed companion for once, but then again...I guess there's a few things that come back every game
Like... an (in)voluntary trip to the Fade, being 'helped' by a Witch of the Wilds, deciding the fate of several groups that (most of the time) don't have anything to do with the MC...and having a possessed companion.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2024 7:01:31 GMT
Though, I really would've liked to have not have a possessed companion for once, but then again...I guess there's a few things that come back every game This time round we get them in duplicate. Two gods bent on ruling the world; two arch-demons; two possessed companions (don't forget Manfred is the possessed corpse of a skeleton and I'm not entirely 100% confident about Emmrich ). Then we don't get just one companion obsessed with ancient elven artifacts but Bellara and a whole troop of Veil Jumpers (she may be okay but the group as a whole seem very suss to me). Plus, our PC, Rook, has a mysterious connection to the Fade - they've dispensed with the magical doodad embedded in our hand and just gone with the old blood tie, something that was integral to the plot in DAO when it came to killing the big bad and DA2, Legacy, in freeing the big bad. So, there is a lot of re-cycling in this latest game but that's okay because themes can reoccur in fantasy worlds and it looks like its going to be fun solving the latest problems our hero has been confronted with. So long as there is a resolution at the end and not another cliff hanger that will require me to still be around 10 years from now to know what happens.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2024 7:33:04 GMT
If they actually did that - it's very likely that their idea of what they were doing to Lucanis was probably very different to how it ended, lol I agree with you that people are jumping to conclusions based on one ambiguous statement by John Epler. To be honest, when you've pissed off a group of powerful blood mages you would expect them to retaliate in unpleasant ways. The reason blood magic is so feared and outlawed across Thedas (even in Tevinter officially) is because of what they can do with their spells, from inflicting excruciating pain on their enemies from a distance to controlling their minds. It is why Seekers bond with a faith spirit, so it can protect them from this (and possession). If anything Lucanis would be better off if he does have a cohabiting spirit as it would protect him against their attacks. Justice couldn't protect Anders from Corypheus because of the taint in his blood. I keep repeating this, but Lucanis had extraordinary abilities before the Wigmaker Job. He could hear what was going on in the bar below their room and distinguish what each person was doing, even down to a man having a card up his sleeve to cheat in a game because Lucanis could hear the fabric moving over it. That is not normal. No amount of training could have given him that sort of hearing. Then he could discern the Venatori creeping up the stairs over Illario's conversation but his cousin couldn't. Yet both were trained in the same way. Later he could detect magical vibes and this seemed more than a sense that something didn't feel right that a normal person might feel. All these details would suggest that perhaps he already had a spirit guardian of some sort working with him. What we still don't know is why Illario reported him as dead and, perhaps more importantly, said "It should have been me." If he was telling the truth and was actually referring to Lucanis' death (not the fact that Caterina favoured Lucanis as her successor), that suggests he was the actual subject of the attack. Unfortunately, we had no time scale for this story in relation to those in Tevinter Nights. So we don't even know where this "death" occurred. Was it in Tevinter or Antiva? Had members of House Kortez fled to the protection of the Venatori because Caterina had ordered Lucanis to wipe them out? Did Zara use that as her opportunity to revenge herself on Lucanis? Had she heard that he seemed to show affection for his cousin and so she used this to entrap him? The fact is, whatever John Epler said, Lucanis is still alive and yet, so far as we know, the Crows believe he is dead. They certainly acted as though they did. Viago and Teia had been in Vyrantium shortly before the start of DAV. Why haven't they heard of the Demon of Vyrantium? Or did Caterina send them there to find out about him because she suspected it might be her favoured grandson? There had to be some good reason to have two of the surviving talons in Tevinter when their own country was under attack and they should have been there leading the defence. It will be interesting to see how he is incorporated into the latest podcast story and whether that throws any light onto the conundrum.
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Post by athras on Aug 31, 2024 8:01:50 GMT
If they actually did that - it's very likely that their idea of what they were doing to Lucanis was probably very different to how it ended, lol What we still don't know is why Illario reported him as dead and, perhaps more importantly, said "It should have been me." If he was telling the truth and was actually referring to Lucanis' death (not the fact that Caterina favoured Lucanis as her successor), that suggests he was the actual subject of the attack. Unfortunately, we had no time scale for this story in relation to those in Tevinter Nights. So we don't even know where this "death" occurred. Was it in Tevinter or Antiva? Had members of House Kortez fled to the protection of the Venatori because Caterina had ordered Lucanis to wipe them out? Did Zara use that as her opportunity to revenge herself on Lucanis? Had she heard that he seemed to show affection for his cousin and so she used this to entrap him? Why haven't they heard of the Demon of Vyrantium? Purely a speculation, of course, but based on the ending of the Wigmaker Job, my assumption has been that she would use his good heart (she very much mentions it) and lure him into a trap (whether by making him play a hero to save innocents or to save Illario. I used to think it would be a quest, but now I think she might've already done that. Maybe she used Illario as a bait and Lucanis saved him and that's why he says it should've been him. Whatever happened, it might have seemed to Illario that Lucanis died in that event. So he could've survived or temporarily died, but the Crows presume he's dead. It was his nickname at the start of the Wigmaker Job already. I assume they would know that. But he also may not be active at the moment and therefore they wouldn't have a reason to look for him. At this point we have no idea if he is still out there killing Venatori, or if he is maybe captured.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 31, 2024 9:18:38 GMT
I really hope we can have our Rook also be interested in cooking. Oliver, Bellara, and Lucanis could have a cooking competition. I can see the picture. Very funny and a little smile from Lucanis. Very heart warming.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 31, 2024 9:24:24 GMT
I think though there's a different and interesting layer here to explore. He's an unwilling host, a non-mage - and it explains his hatred for mages and why he became "the mage-killer", those Venatori really did a number on him. In line to become First Talon and then his world is turned upside down. Possessed life mustn't be easy! lol Ok, fair enough
Though, I really would've liked to have not have a possessed companion for once, but then again...I guess there's a few things that come back every game
Like... an (in)voluntary trip to the Fade, being 'helped' by a Witch of the Wilds, deciding the fate of several groups that (most of the time) don't have anything to do with the MC...and having a possessed companion. At this many games i think that are the standards for a DA games. I think we would miss something if this doesn't come back.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 31, 2024 9:31:23 GMT
I put Lucanis in the bag of Companions with special something to them: Shale, Fenris and Cole.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 31, 2024 9:45:53 GMT
It was his nickname at the start of the Wigmaker Job already. I assume they would know that. But he also may not be active at the moment and therefore they wouldn't have a reason to look for him. At this point we have no idea if he is still out there killing Venatori, or if he is maybe captured. Once again we have problems with timelines. He was not known as the Demon at the beginning of the Wigmaker Job in Tevinter. Viago was already calling him a demon at the end of Eight Little Talons which came sequentially after the Wigmaker Job in the stories. However, he talked about Caterina recalling Lucanis from Tevinter to deal with House Kortez. So, had he returned home with Illario before Eight Little Talons and then returned to Tevinter again? If so, why was Caterina specifically calling him back to Antiva in the Wigmaker Job. That was the whole reason Illario was there. He had been sent to bring Lucanis back immediately and commented that only Lucanis would have the nerve to disobey her and delay his departure. That suggests her summons was for something specific. If the stories were out of order, perhaps she had recalled him to deal with House Kortez but, if the stories were in order, more likely she had called him back because of the imminent Qunari threat. Then after the carnage at Forfex's mansion, people generally in Vyrantium started calling him the Demon. Likely any witnesses who survived the events reported the place being overrun with demons and thought that could only be the work of a bigger demon or people clearing up the mess afterwards thought it looked so horrific that it could only be the work of a demon. We should also remember that Lucanis told Illario he didn't want to quit what he was doing. Having witnessed just how depraved the Venatori could be, he wanted to stay and continue to deal with them but duty called so he returned to Antiva (or did he?). Zara also stated that: " A true maleficar knows demons cannot be killed, only controlled. If this Crow fancies himself a demon I look forward to using him to his full potential". This sound exactly like what John Epler was referring to. She was going to manipulate Lucanis into doing her bidding, whether consciously or unconsciously, and didn't mind sacrificing a few lesser Venatori along the way in order to achieve this. Then we learn in a short story set some time in the future that he is dead. That doesn't really fit with Zara's stated plans, so I'm hoping the whole business is a lot more complicated than just the Venatori killed him and he was possessed, or the Venatori zapped him with a demon. Also, that still doesn't answer my question about what Viago and Teia were doing in Vyrantium. They were sniffing around the house of a suspected Venatori but why? That would have left just Caterina and Bollivar as experienced Talons dealing with the Qunari threat in their homeland. What could be so important in Vyrantium that two Talons were dealing with it personally?
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 31, 2024 9:49:38 GMT
If they actually did that - it's very likely that their idea of what they were doing to Lucanis was probably very different to how it ended, lol I agree with you that people are jumping to conclusions based on one ambiguous statement by John Epler. To be honest, when you've pissed off a group of powerful blood mages you would expect them to retaliate in unpleasant ways. The reason blood magic is so feared and outlawed across Thedas (even in Tevinter officially) is because of what they can do with their spells, from inflicting excruciating pain on their enemies from a distance to controlling their minds. It is why Seekers bond with a faith spirit, so it can protect them from this (and possession). If anything Lucanis would be better off if he does have a cohabiting spirit as it would protect him against their attacks. Justice couldn't protect Anders from Corypheus because of the taint in his blood. I keep repeating this, but Lucanis had extraordinary abilities before the Wigmaker Job. He could hear what was going on in the bar below their room and distinguish what each person was doing, even down to a man having a card up his sleeve to cheat in a game because Lucanis could hear the fabric moving over it. That is not normal. No amount of training could have given him that sort of hearing. Then he could discern the Venatori creeping up the stairs over Illario's conversation but his cousin couldn't. Yet both were trained in the same way. Later he could detect magical vibes and this seemed more than a sense that something didn't feel right that a normal person might feel. All these details would suggest that perhaps he already had a spirit guardian of some sort working with him. What we still don't know is why Illario reported him as dead and, perhaps more importantly, said "It should have been me." If he was telling the truth and was actually referring to Lucanis' death (not the fact that Caterina favoured Lucanis as her successor), that suggests he was the actual subject of the attack. Unfortunately, we had no time scale for this story in relation to those in Tevinter Nights. So we don't even know where this "death" occurred. Was it in Tevinter or Antiva? Had members of House Kortez fled to the protection of the Venatori because Caterina had ordered Lucanis to wipe them out? Did Zara use that as her opportunity to revenge herself on Lucanis? Had she heard that he seemed to show affection for his cousin and so she used this to entrap him? The fact is, whatever John Epler said, Lucanis is still alive and yet, so far as we know, the Crows believe he is dead. They certainly acted as though they did. Viago and Teia had been in Vyrantium shortly before the start of DAV. Why haven't they heard of the Demon of Vyrantium? Or did Caterina send them there to find out about him because she suspected it might be her favoured grandson? There had to be some good reason to have two of the surviving talons in Tevinter when their own country was under attack and they should have been there leading the defence. It will be interesting to see how he is incorporated into the latest podcast story and whether that throws any light onto the conundrum. Hm, okay. The hints have been heavy from the get-go, all the arrows pointing in the same direction. "Wigmaker's..." end with Zara stating "So he fancies the name demon... let's make sure he lives up to it". They've all but spelled out: "He's possessed. Zara and her minionators are responsible." The real fact of John Epler's statement was: Question: "Is Lucanis possessed?" Answer: (paraphrasing)"Yes, he's called "The Demon of Vyrantium" and looks like some people decided to make that stick."
Where's the ambiguity? We don't know the full scope of it, we may not know all the details - but these are things that have factually taken place. It almost sounds like you're resisting the idea, for reasons of your own (with all due). What exactly isn't mathing to you? He's not a Seeker, very unlikely it's a Spirit of Faith - he's possessed, and yes, it's a freakin' demon! 🤷♀️ I do agree, however, that Lucanis had displayed signs of the supernatural before, by way of his eye twitch/ Fade spider-sense. But that we know for sure, that's it, as far as extraordinary abilities go. All the stuff you described, there's nothing extraordinary about it other than his intense training as a master assassin. He's just very aware of his surroundings, with sharpened senses, to hear every noise, smell, see every movement, feel even like the slightest shift of the wind... so he can be as good as he is at what he does. That's it.
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Post by Liepsnele on Aug 31, 2024 10:03:16 GMT
Based on the ending of TN and yesterday's QA, it seems he's possessed and the Venatori (Zara) are responsible. I wonder how he manages to coexist with the demon without it taking control over him. I do think Lucanis' senses were supernatural before being possessed though - hopefully that will be explained in the game.
It's possible Lucanis actually died in the short story and the demon kept him alive. For what purpose though? Maybe we can change it into the spirit of purpose or similar during the course of the story. Bioware likes to introduce new takes on spirits with each game
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